Delivery Dates//not happy

[Summiitt]

Has anyone ordered a vehicle, and paid a deposit and then had the delivery date continuously move? I ordered my D250 90 in early April, with a promised delivery in September, that blew out until the first week in December, and yesterday I was informed it will now be February 2022?
Im not sure I could be bothered waiting on the vehicle nor trust any delivery times given. I know delivery times have blown out on all vehicles, but anyone else had a similar 10 month blow out?

[one_iota]

I'm not ordering until January but the dealer has just told me that the delivery time is currently 7 months.

[Tombie]

The globe is current ****ed to put it bluntly.
It is what it is.

If that doesn’t meet your timeframe you will need to make a decision on what you want to do.

All manufacturers are in the same boat, lead times on vehicles are nearly a year for “non-stock” items.
And many dealers of all makes are struggling to get floor stocks.

[BradC]

And many dealers of all males are struggling to get floor stocks.

That's hardly surprising when it takes 9 months to make a new one.

[DazzaTD5]

As others have mentioned...

All brands and their dealers are doing this, quite happy for you to build your vehicle on the website and then pay a deposit.
Then bull**** you on the delivery times, some are bigger bull****ters than others and will often say they can get one a few months earlier than the next dealer, again then bull**** you down the track.

Also you will pay a premium on price as demand is out stripping supply.

[WhiteD3]

A mate has just ordered a 110 SE D300 with a 10 month delivery.....

[grey_ghost]

Ordered mine in April - dealer rang me yesterday. Car is due next week.. 90 P300

[Fred Nerk]

Seems so unfair that two people have ordered Defender 90s in April and they get delivered 5 or 6 months apart. It must have to do with options/configuration.

As I mention elsewhere, I put my deposit down yesterday and have been advised that it will take about 9ish months. (110 D300) A better idea of delivery times is supposed to come after JLR accept and process the order. :question:

[grey_ghost]

It does depend heavily on options. The middle screen now has a larger option (11” instead of 10” I think).

If I optioned the bigger screen it was going to blow out my order by a few months…

[scarry]

Ordered a Ranger for work last week,its 4 weeks away,which isnt an issue.Although it isnt the brand we wanted.

Hilux, same configeration is minimum 7 months away,more like 9 was the comment.

[101RRS]

The globe is current ****ed to put it bluntly.
It is what it is.

If that doesn’t meet your timeframe you will need to make a decision on what you want to do.

All manufacturers are in the same boat, lead times on vehicles are nearly a year for “non-stock” items.
And many dealers of all makes are struggling to get floor stocks.

Yes but we have been in this situation for nearly 18 months - quoted delivery dates should be reflecting the reality of life we now live in. Definitely a vehicle ordered in April, a year into the pandemic should have made the delays quite clear to a buyer and why they are occurring.

Garry

[Summiitt]

My D250 as spec`d was an S, the only random options was a white roof on eiger grey, air suspension and a rear locker, I wanted a base model..the only silver lining if I go ahead is that the price is locked in..

[Tombie]

Yes but we have been in this situation for nearly 18 months - quoted delivery dates should be reflecting the reality of life we now live in. Definitely a vehicle ordered in April, a year into the pandemic should have made the delays quite clear to a buyer and why they are occurring.

Garry

Garry,

There’s a global shortage on electronics / chipsets etc at the moment.

Then there’s IT equipment, we’re seeing 10-14 week lead times on a Desktop PC. Screens 16+ weeks and keeps blowing out.

Car electronics have been influenced same way.
Hence the key fob issues.

As for being f able to predict lead times, nobody seems to know in any industry.

[incisor]

Garry,

There’s a global shortage on electronics / chipsets etc at the moment.

Then there’s IT equipment, we’re seeing 10-14 week lead times on a Desktop PC. Screens 16+ weeks and keeps blowing out.

Car electronics have been influenced same way.
Hence the key fob issues.

As for being f able to predict lead times, nobody seems to know in any industry.

yep, it is an abomination in some sectors

[mylesaway]

Garry,

There’s a global shortage on electronics / chipsets etc at the moment.

Then there’s IT equipment, we’re seeing 10-14 week lead times on a Desktop PC. Screens 16+ weeks and keeps blowing out.

Car electronics have been influenced same way.
Hence the key fob issues.

As for being f able to predict lead times, nobody seems to know in any industry.

Hey Tombie,

Read somewhere the other day that they were delaying the manufacturing of your Tesla ute.

Have you been notified of any delays?

regards,
Myles

[scarry]

We have been useing a brand of elecronic controllers,made in Brisbane, for the last 30yrs,never an issue,used to be off the shelf,no matter the model.

Now they are fixing the old ones,as they cant get all the parts to make an entirely new one.
So they are basically 'refurbished',not new.
Price seems to similar though....

In the motor vehicle manufacturing industry,some manufacturers were way ahead of others, having many months back up of parts,used in the manufacturing of their new vehicles,where others hadnt thought ahead and ran out quickly.

[AK83]

Garry,

There’s a global shortage on electronics / chipsets etc at the moment.

.....

I was reading an article that they claimed that Ford is building F trucks, but without some components(guessing some ECUs and chip related stuff) so that when the electronics does come in, it's a matter of installing those parts quickly and despatch the vehicles out ASAP.

The other bits of news recently noted is that there is (or going to be) a shortage and or price increase of rubber. Price has risen sharply in the last few years. So even more possible delays on the horizon.

[101RRS]

Garry,

There’s a global shortage on electronics / chipsets etc at the moment.

Then there’s IT equipment, we’re seeing 10-14 week lead times on a Desktop PC. Screens 16+ weeks and keeps blowing out.

Car electronics have been influenced same way.
Hence the key fob issues.

As for being f able to predict lead times, nobody seems to know in any industry.

Yes I know and LR knows how it impacts their production and delivery times - I am sure that LR provide realistic delivery times to their dealers but of course dealers do not want to risk a sale by quoting realistic delivery times - hence the porkies.

Have dealers ever been ethical [bighmmm].

[Gav 110]

We have been useing a brand of elecronic controllers,made in Brisbane, for the last 30yrs,never an issue,used to be off the shelf,no matter the model.

Now they are fixing the old ones,as they cant get all the parts to make an entirely new one.
So they are basically 'refurbished',not new.
Price seems to similar though....

In the motor vehicle manufacturing industry,some manufacturers were way ahead of others, having many months back up of parts,used in the manufacturing of their new vehicles,where others hadnt thought ahead and ran out quickly.

[emoji848]
We might be lucky and get some refurbished Land Rover vehicles from yesteryear
[emoji1531][emoji1531]

[sharmy]

Back in the 70's when I was selling trucks and Range Rovers for Leyland ( A Land Rover was a truck and was sold by the Truck division and a Range Rover was a Land Rover so was also a truck ) waiting time was about 18 months with a corresponding high profit margin and healthy black market. For years these used to turn up in dribs and drabs and the good times continued when suddenly a big ship load arrived. Leyland hid these away in a big warehouse and slowly released them so as not to "flood" the Market.

[Sphere]

I ordered my Long waited L663 Defender 110 SE at the end of August 2020 with a delivery date of early March Actual delivery date was July, reasons for the delay, 1, Covid19, 2, enhancements to trims of the vehicle as issues had been found in previous models, 3, Lack of Shipping due to majority of Sailors operating container ships are from India and the had Covid19, 4, a 18 hour turn around in South Africa took 3 weeks.

End result I did get the car and WOW WHAT A CAR performs and does way more than even Land Rover tells us it really excels Off-Road is it worth the Price Tag yes 100% and now there are hundreds of Accessories available from around the world.






Has anyone ordered a vehicle, and paid a deposit and then had the delivery date continuously move? I ordered my D250 90 in early April, with a promised delivery in September, that blew out until the first week in December, and yesterday I was informed it will now be February 2022?
Im not sure I could be bothered waiting on the vehicle nor trust any delivery times given. I know delivery times have blown out on all vehicles, but anyone else had a similar 10 month blow out?

[discojools]

I ordered a D250 110 S in early April. Last update, a month ago was December 24th. I was told beginning of December when I ordered. Maybe I should check again.

[Monty13]

Has anyone ordered a vehicle, and paid a deposit and then had the delivery date continuously move? I ordered my D250 90 in early April, with a promised delivery in September, that blew out until the first week in December, and yesterday I was informed it will now be February 2022?
Im not sure I could be bothered waiting on the vehicle nor trust any delivery times given. I know delivery times have blown out on all vehicles, but anyone else had a similar 10 month blow out?
Yeah we ordered mid March original delivery was mid October, it has been pushed back to end of December, however I have no faith we will get it this year.

[Loubrey]

Until your dealer is able to give you a copy of the work order number, your car is technically not ordered...

Australian dealers are issued "build slots" and the clock on your order will only start running when your car is allocated to a build slot and that's when the Vista Order Number becomes available. Once you have the order number, Vista will give you estimate build dates and estimated delivery dates.

If your dealer is unwilling to give you a screen shot of the Vista report, they might not even have allocated it a build slot yet, which means its only on the dealer's books and the factory knows nothing about the car yet...

[rdenyer]

Garry,

There’s a global shortage on electronics / chipsets etc at the moment.

Then there’s IT equipment, we’re seeing 10-14 week lead times on a Desktop PC. Screens 16+ weeks and keeps blowing out.

Car electronics have been influenced same way.
Hence the key fob issues.

As for being f able to predict lead times, nobody seems to know in any industry.

Saw a delivery time of 19 weeks on a pretty standard Cisco switch (yesterday)
Chips/silicon for cars are more specialised and lower volume compared to traditional IT volumes.
I have heard stories of other brands offering their cars without all the electronic gadgetry not crucial in operation of the car e.g. heads up display, adaptive cruise control etc.
Also Electric cars use approx 5 times more chips than traditional ICE cars
Does not look like this issue will solved in a hurry Bosch says semiconductor supply chains in car industry no longer work (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/bosch-says-semiconductor-supply-chains-in-car-industry-no-longer-work.html)

Feel for to those guys with orders in the system

[grey_ghost]

My dealer mentioned to me (when I ordered in April) - that Australia gets 40 build slots a month. That's for the entire country.. Eeek

[Loubrey]

My dealer mentioned to me (when I ordered in April) - that Australia gets 40 build slots a month. That's for the entire country.. Eeek

The 40 build slots are also sub-divided into 110 and 90 as well as engine types and specification. There might literally on be one or two D300 110 slots in the 40 in any given month.

WA has 9 people waiting to order V8's and they've not been given a single slot yet...

[oldyella 76]

It's not only cars, chemicals and fertilisers are hard to get as well our fert has gone from $635 to $1140 if you can get it. We have clients who have ordered Glyphosate we can't give them a delivery date because the actives come from China, The price has gone up from $3.70 a litre to $8.25 a litre. I ordered a post driver in Feb this year, told by supplier a couple of months, then September, rang them a week ago and they don't know when. I have had cancellations due to lack of supply and all the sales staff are working from home. I rang a sales lady yesterday re an order, she is working from home and she told me she had given the house a good clean and emptied the freezer and cleaned it out as well and we wonder why we cant get goods or parts. No one want to keep parts it stock and rely on "just in time" policies and in times like this you have no option but to wait.
So when you get numerous clients ringing your their orders all we can say is we will ring them, it is not easy.
Lindsay

[Homestar]

One of our light tower orders from Feb 2020 has not even commenced being built yet - 80 units @ $25K each. The OEM simply can’t get engines to put in them.

[4bee]

It's not only cars, chemicals and fertilisers are hard to get as well our fert has gone from $635 to $1140 if you can get it. We have clients who have ordered Glyphosate we can't give them a delivery date because the actives come from China, The price has gone up from $3.70 a litre to $8.25 a litre. I ordered a post driver in Feb this year, told by supplier a couple of months, then September, rang them a week ago and they don't know when. I have had cancellations due to lack of supply and all the sales staff are working from home. I rang a sales lady yesterday re an order, she is working from home and she told me she had given the house a good clean and emptied the freezer and cleaned it out as well and we wonder why we cant get goods or parts. No one want to keep parts it stock and rely on "just in time" policies and in times like this you have no option but to wait.
So when you get numerous clients ringing your their orders all we can say is we will ring them, it is not easy.
Lindsay


CRIPES! [bigsad] Just bought 5 litres of Glyph. $80 - 00. Wossat? $16 per litre.

Wetter/Penetrant (Devour 1020))
$65 litre. Still, it will last me into next Spring. I hope.[bighmmm]

Price Hike? You betcha.


There was me thinking Ned Kelly was dead.

[grey_ghost]

The company that I work for have increased their stock holdings by about 30%… Hoping that they can sell it when we come out of lockdown. One day.

[4bee]

The company that I work for have increased their stock holdings by about 30%… Hoping that they can sell it when we come out of lockdown. One day.


I bet they don't make the huge profit they think they will GG, but wish them good luck.
Others would have done the same thing & there will be more competition for the available $$$$$ especially if they have been out of work.

Mind you, if their existing stock is 1 or 2 cars it is no biggy.

[oldyella 76]

Yep our margin on Glyphosate is about $5 on a 20 litre and $50 on a 1000 litre IBC. Glyphosate is the product that we make very little margin on and really don't worry if we miss a sale to the corporates.

[4bee]

Saw a delivery time of 19 weeks on a pretty standard Cisco switch (yesterday)
Chips/silicon for cars are more specialised and lower volume compared to traditional IT volumes.
I have heard stories of other brands offering their cars without all the electronic gadgetry not crucial in operation of the car e.g. heads up display, adaptive cruise control etc.
Also Electric cars use approx 5 times more chips than traditional ICE cars
Does not look like this issue will solved in a hurry Bosch says semiconductor supply chains in car industry no longer work (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/bosch-says-semiconductor-supply-chains-in-car-industry-no-longer-work.html)

Feel for to those guys with orders in the system


I wonder how many stealers will fold before they can complete the orders?

[33chinacars]

Land Rover are not on their lonesome in delays. Toyota has just announced a delay of 12 months in their new 300 series Landcruiser all due to the world wide shortage of semi-conductor computer chips

Get over it guy's . Its the world we currently live in. Don't shoot the dealer

It's also why used car prices are rising

[scarry]

Land Rover are not on their lonesome in delays. Toyota has just announced a delay of 12 months in their new 300 series Landcruiser all due to the world wide shortage of semi-conductor computer chips

Get over it guy's . Its the world we currently live in. Don't shoot the dealer

It's also why used car prices are rising

Some LC300 models are years away,they are talking 3 to 4.

Seems the manufacturer thought first orders for Aus would come in at around 5000 vehicles,but they now have well over 20000 on back order.[bighmmm]

[Tombie]

Some LC300 models are years away,they are talking 3 to 4.

Seems the manufacturer thought first orders for Aus would come in at around 5000 vehicles,but they now have well over 20000 on back order.[bighmmm]

Evidence you can fool some of The people, all of the time?

I’m sure they’ll enjoy the 2025 delivery.

Wonder what values of them 5 years later if the EV push happens will be like?

[scarry]

Wonder what values of them 5 years later if the EV push happens will be like?

Same as any ICE vehicle,we will all have to wait and see.

Ev's are decades away from being as convenient as something like a current large 4X4,whatever brand.
For smallish around town vehicles,they are probably fine.

In fact LR have already said,Ev's do not suit the majority of vehicles they produce.

Yes its all a wait and see,its a guessing game,and a race for the manufacturers.

[4bee]

Same as any ICE vehicle,we will all have to wait and see.

Ev's are decades away from being as convenient as something like a current large 4X4,whatever brand.
For smallish around town vehicles,they are probably fine.

In fact LR have already said,Ev's do not suit the majority of vehicles they produce.

Yes its all a wait and see,its a guessing game,and a race for the manufacturers.


I hope the waiting is worthwhile for those people with very few lemons due to the apparent haste.


Takes me back to when we bought the '95 D1 facelift. 3 weeks was the delivery time then & we thought that was a bit much.

[Tombie]

Same as any ICE vehicle,we will all have to wait and see.

Ev's are decades away from being as convenient as something like a current large 4X4,whatever brand.
For smallish around town vehicles,they are probably fine.

In fact LR have already said,Ev's do not suit the majority of vehicles they produce.

Yes its all a wait and see,its a guessing game,and a race for the manufacturers.

Yet the mandated 2030 cut off will only be 5 years post delivery.

That’s when I’m predicting fuel prices will blow up and costs to run ICE go through the roof.

[Tombie]

I hope the waiting is worthwhile for those people with very few lemons due to the apparent haste.


Takes me back to when we bought the '95 D1 facelift. 3 weeks was the delivery time then & we thought that was a bit much.

That’s because they imported hundreds, sat them on the wharf and just compliance tagged when ordered.

Emma’s 90 took 10 months back in 2014/15
In 2011 a D4 built was 8 months, I just got one out of stock, it was easier. [emoji41]

[scarry]

Yet the mandated 2030 cut off will only be 5 years post delivery.

That’s when I’m predicting fuel prices will blow up and costs to run ICE go through the roof.

Thats if the mandated dates hold up.

Lots of ifs,buts and maybe's.

Those that can read the crystal ball will do well.

Fuel will still be needed by many ICE's where battery power wont suit,no matter how good the battery tech is,so i dont see it having a massive price increase,but anything is on the cards.

And back to the old issue,where is all the power going to come from,to charge these batteries?
Where is all the infastructure for all those hundreds of thousands of charging points that will be needed?
There is a lot to do in the next 9 yrs or so.

Interesting times.

Hang on,seems we are way off topic again...[bigsad][biggrin]

[4bee]

Thats if the mandated dates hold up.

Lots of ifs,buts and maybe's.

Those that can read the crystal ball will do well.

Fuel will still be needed by many ICE's where battery power wont suit,no matter how good the battery tech is,so i dont see it having a massive price increase,but anything is on the cards.

And back to the old issue,where is all the power going to come from,to charge these batteries?
Where is all the infastructure for all those hundreds of thousands of charging points that will be needed?
There is a lot to do in the next 9 yrs or so.

Interesting times.

Hang on,seems we are way off topic again...[bigsad][biggrin]


Going OT is not such a bad thing IMHO Paul, as it can open up other avenues & views when the original start topic has been hammered to death.

I am sure Winston Churchill would have said likewise.
[bigrolf]

RULZ? What RULZS?:Rolling:

[4bee]

Yet the mandated 2030 cut off will only be 5 years post delivery.

That’s when I’m predicting fuel prices will blow up and costs to run ICE go through the roof.



Does quick calculation.............. Nope won't bother me Mike unless someone comes up with a bloody good formula to live to 400. Second thoughts, Naaaaaaaa can't be arsed when they can't even get 2021 right.?[biggrin]

[Tombie]

Does quick calculation.............. Nope won't bother me Mike unless someone comes up with a bloody good formula to live to 400. Second thoughts, Naaaaaaaa can't be arsed when they can't even get 2021 right.?[biggrin]

2021 has been fine except for lack of trips to Hua Hin and Chang Mai

Best thing about masks, hides the uglies out there!

[4bee]

2021 has been fine except for lack of trips to Hua Hin and Chang Mai

Best thing about masks, hides the uglies out there!
Masks are not all that crash hot Mike.. Already kids are growing up supposedly not recognising their parents, Bank stickups are on the increase(don't know which banks are being stuck up 'cos you can't ever find a bank when you want one) & it is difficult trying to stick up an ATM.

The uglies might just turn out to be hot crumpet behind their masks & SE Asia will still be there to retire to after all this crap is done with, (he hopes.)


But I bet nobody will ever forget 2020/21

[Summiitt]

So, my 90 was scheduled for the 2/3/4th time for a late Nov build date,Early feb delivery.. just got advice that a locked in build date of the 24/12 is in, but a delivery date of 8/4/22.. Thats a full 12 months and a lot of bull**** by Landrover on delivery dates from order..the shine has come off this vehicle already, hope its worth it!

[4bee]

So, my 90 was scheduled for the 2/3/4th time for a late Nov build date,Early feb delivery.. just got advice that a locked in build date of the 24/12 is in, but a delivery date of 8/4/22.. Thats a full 12 months and a lot of bull**** by Landrover on delivery dates from order..the shine has come off this vehicle already, hope its worth it!



Go on, you'll love it all the same, like your first Girl Friend.:wub::Rolling:


When you have the keys in your hand you will forget any agro.

[shack]

So, my 90 was scheduled for the 2/3/4th time for a late Nov build date,Early feb delivery.. just got advice that a locked in build date of the 24/12 is in, but a delivery date of 8/4/22.. Thats a full 12 months and a lot of bull**** by Landrover on delivery dates from order..the shine has come off this vehicle already, hope its worth it!Feel really sorry for you on this... That must be so frustrating.

Goes a bit against the modern societies instant gratification scenario!

I think you'll find most car companies are the same at the moment.

Hope it goes well once it arrives.

[one_iota]

I'm hopeful of ordering mine in January...it will take the time it takes it seems.

In the meantime, I have and will be keeping the Defender I have now...I'm fortunate.

[4bee]

I'm hopeful of ordering mine in January...it will take the time it takes it seems.

In the meantime, I have and will be keeping the Defender I have now...I'm fortunate.



Sounds like the birth of another LR collection.[biggrin]

[one_iota]

Sounds like the birth of another LR collection.[biggrin]

A shrewd person once said that you should buy land because they aren't making it anymore. Substitute "old defender" for "land".

[scarry]

Go on, you'll love it all the same, like your first Girl Friend.:wub::Rolling:.

Dunno if I ever loved her but geez we had some fun [bighmmm][biggrin]

[4bee]

Dunno if I ever loved her but geez we had some fun [bighmmm][biggrin]

Oi you, behave yourself.[bigrolf]

[Summiitt]

I'm hopeful of ordering mine in January...it will take the time it takes it seems.

In the meantime, I have and will be keeping the Defender I have now...I'm fortunate.

I guess I'm lucky Im still driving the 130 everyday for work and have no intention of ever selling it..

[Sol]

I'm hopeful of ordering mine in January...it will take the time it takes it seems.

In the meantime, I have and will be keeping the Defender I have now...I'm fortunate.

I ordered my 110 last April. First expected Dec 2020, then Jan 2021, now mid Feb. That’s 10 months and the dealer reckons the 10 month estimate they’re giving to customers ordering right now is an optimistic minimum! At least it’s confirmed mine’s been built - all about shipping now…

[4bee]

I ordered my 110 last April. First expected Dec 2020, then Jan 2021, now mid Feb. That’s 10 months and the dealer reckons the 10 month estimate they’re giving to customers ordering right now is an optimistic minimum! At least it’s confirmed mine’s been built - all about shipping now…



All you need now is for news that the Suez Canal is blocked yet again #%(^&#!&#$ [bighmmm]

[Tombie]

All you need now is for news that the Suez Canal is blocked yet again #%(^&#!&#$ [bighmmm]

All safe there. RoRo are Cape vessels.

[4bee]

All safe there. RoRo are Cape vessels.



Ah, but they could still get stuck behind another Vessel somewhere or hit a WW2 mine?:Rolling:

The salvage Co would need to use the Diamond Studded Cable to cut her up into 30 cm pieces
including Land Rovers or anything else in it's path including a Ship's Main Engines
i
Nowt is impossible these days Mike.[bigrolf]

MV TRICOLOR .. SINKING .. SALVAGE .. VEHICLE CARRIER ================================================== =====================
============ (http://www.grahamswebdesign.com/salvage-vessel-tricolor.html)

[4bee]

Ah, but they could still get stuck behind another Vessel somewhere or hit a WW2 mine?:Rolling:

The salvage Co would need to use the Diamond Studded Cable to cut her up into 30 cm pieces
including Land Rovers or anything else in it's path.

Nowt is impossible these days Mike.[bigrolf]


This is the baby I had in mind> MV TRICOLOR .. SINKING .. SALVAGE .. VEHICLE CARRIER ================================================== =====================
============


A Helluva way to aquire a workshop instruction vehicle.
(http://www.grahamswebdesign.com/salvage-vessel-tricolor.html)

[anarchycamping]

Just joined to see what issues other people were having with delivery. A lot it seems haha

Ordered d300 x dynamic hse in June 2021.
Was told I couldn't get the matrix headlights in September and I was all good with the premium LEDs and was given a build date of November with Feb delivery.
Sold my car on December 2nd (dumb move) assuming a few months sharing car and motorbike would be all good.
Got a phone call from dealer the following day saying they have cancelled my order and do I want my money back or wait for an MY23 but will be lucky to see it before August 2022.

I am just going to wait but I am a patient guy. 🙃 I know people that would burn things to the ground at this point.

[Tombie]

I don’t know why anyone is surprised at the moment.

Pre-pandemic lead times for builds was 9-10 months for the old Defender (2016) and since then it’s been around the same for a Discovery/RRS.

Add the pandemic, which has resulted in component shortages, rapid changes in supply chain and general chaos.

It could be worse! Try buying a 300 series - I’m hearing from people their delivery is 2023.

[scarry]

Apart from pandemic delays,LR also have a huge number of options that have to be factory fitted,depending what boxes are ticked by the buyer.LR no doubt hope the more boxes ticked the better,thats the way they grab more money from the customer.They also have a few different engine variants.
No doubt this will hold up builds and therefore delivery.Every vehicle on the production line at one time could be completely different.

Other brands,as an example,the new LC 300,has around around 6 models,one engine variant,virtually no factory extra options,apart from colours.Surely it is much easier and quicker to build and supply vehicles like this.The 200 was similar,with less models.

And following on from Tombie,i know two buyers that have ordered 300's last week,delivery will be before June 2022.But that could also depend on the model,some may have longer delays than others.

Many have been delivered,most ordered less than 6 months ago.

For me,depending on circumstances,i wouldnt want to wait more than a few months.

[Tombie]

Back in 2011 I asked for a quote on a D4 in the colour I wanted and a few options.

Back then, when all was going well, delivery was 8 months from order.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Apart from pandemic delays,LR also have a huge number of options that have to be factory fitted,depending what boxes are ticked by the buyer.LR no doubt hope the more boxes ticked the better,thats the way they grab more money from the customer.They also have a few different engine variants.
No doubt this will hold up builds and therefore delivery.Every vehicle on the production line at one time could be completely different.

Other brands,as an example,the new LC 300,has around around 6 models,one engine variant,virtually no factory extra options,apart from colours.Surely it is much easier and quicker to build and supply vehicles like this.The 200 was similar,with less models.

And following on from Tombie,i know two buyers that have ordered 300's last week,delivery will be before June 2022.But that could also depend on the model,some may have longer delays than others.

Many have been delivered,most ordered less than 6 months ago.

For me,depending on circumstances,i wouldnt want to wait more than a few months.
No, their production line in Slovakia is 100% Just In Time, same as in Solihull. The delay is sub components and systems, especially silicon chips in their modular electronic systems, currently an issue for all car makers. On top of that the freight backlog from the Suez canal debacle and then congestions due to covid restrictions at various ports compound the issue even further.

The end result is that if you order a MY22 car, you may get it when the actual model run is already over.

I will be looking at near new or ex demo cars when time to upgrade.

[Sol]

I don’t know why anyone is surprised at the moment.

It could be worse! Try buying a 300 series - I’m hearing from people their delivery is 2023.

Mine is a 300 - 10 months from ordering in April to delivery. Less than 6 months quoted by @scarry would have been a dream!

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[scarry]

Mine is a 300 - 10 months from ordering in April to delivery. Less than 6 months quoted by @scarry would have been a dream!

175797
Huge difference ordering in April 2021,compared with ordering in December 2021.
Particularly for a brand new model that has only just started in production.

Apparently different models have different lengths of delays.

Anyway,hopefully it all works out.

[Sweetpea]

Just joined to see what issues other people were having with delivery. A lot it seems haha

Ordered d300 x dynamic hse in June 2021.
Was told I couldn't get the matrix headlights in September and I was all good with the premium LEDs and was given a build date of November with Feb delivery.
Sold my car on December 2nd (dumb move) assuming a few months sharing car and motorbike would be all good.
Got a phone call from dealer the following day saying they have cancelled my order and do I want my money back or wait for an MY23 but will be lucky to see it before August 2022.

I am just going to wait but I am a patient guy. 🙃 I know people that would burn things to the ground at this point.

had the same issue but have kept my order date as MY23, i am close to the top of the list at my Dealer and expect may/june delivery

[Sol]

Anyway,hopefully it all works out.

Thanks Paul. In the meantime...

I'm going to build it over ten months for that authentic experience

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[brucester]

D300 SE ordered mid June 21, found out yesterday it was built 20 Dec and expected delivery end March 22. 3 months late however no change to order apart from not getting matrix headlights, which I had not requested anyway.
It is a MY22 not MY23 so it appears if ordering vehicle with not many options orders are not changed. Now only have to wait until it is on the boat.

[Vern]

Theres a few 110's and a 90 in the yard at Landrover in Coffs harbour, do people try buy from the yard or just custom order everything these days?

[luke.jenner]

Replying first to the question about buying from stock, I'm two hours down the road from Coffee Harbour in Port Macquarie. Our dealer has had a few stock vehicles and the premium on those over retail is literally $45k. Think $159,990 for a D300SE that configures for $115k. Both sold within days to out of town buyers. Dealers need vehicles to show people so the only way to keep them in stock is to put ridiculous prices on them and hope no-one is silly enough to buy! Some are!

In our case we ordered a D300 SE with quite a few options (Santorini Black, Black 19" Wheels, Black Pack, Ebony Headlining, Tow Pack, Heated Front and Rear Seats, Mats, Off Road Pack), first week in June. Was advised Mid November this was now moved to MY23 build and if I wanted to retain leather steering wheel and gearshift I needed to add Leather (artificial leather now standards) which in turn required the cold climate pack. In the end I've ended up going for Windsor Leather and the Premium Interior pack as this 'brings back' the electric steering column adjustment (my wife and I share our cars) and adds 14 way cooled seats.

Dealer advised yesterday MY23 build don't start until April 22, so I think August will be the best outcome. We ended up selling both our BMWs whilst the market for used vehicles was hot, and picked up a Golf 8 Wagon as a second car (had to get it from Rockhampton - no more being imported due to semi-conductor issued) which we will share until the Defender (eventually) arrives.

Luke

[luke.jenner]

And as if to prove my point the D300 in stock at Coffs is a 2020 S, with 10,000km, for.......$179,490! Retail would have been circa $110k drive away!

https://quote.landrover.com.au/view/2020-Land-Rover-Defender/25880535?_ga=2.178714084.1352138671.1640214854-1199316713.1640214854

"This Car Is Available Now, No Need To Wait 12 Months For A Factory Order."

Luke

[101RRS]

The delay and not being able to supply new vehicle is clearly not related to all vehicle makes - brother ordered a new Mazda 320 first week in December (this is a new model in the line up) - nil stock in Aust and will be delivered from Japan on 14 January - so some makers dont seem to have the issues that LR have.

[100inch]

The delay and not being able to supply new vehicle is clearly not related to all vehicle makes - brother ordered a new Mazda 320 first week in December (this is a new model in the line up) - nil stock in Aust and will be delivered from Japan on 14 January - so some makers dont seem to have the issues that LR have.
Comparing Mazda to JLR.... sorry, but not the same league. m

[grey_ghost]

The company that I work for favours Mazda vehicles - we have some on order, 6 month wait….

It’s a global issue - not just JLR.

Ordered my Defender in March, got it mid September…

[scarry]

Theres a few 110's and a 90 in the yard at Landrover in Coffs harbour, do people try buy from the yard or just custom order everything these days?

Same here at Springwood,been a heap in the yard for a month or two.
Went past today,there were at least 7 there.

Maybe they are not in high demand?

[Tombie]

The delay and not being able to supply new vehicle is clearly not related to all vehicle makes - brother ordered a new Mazda 320 first week in December (this is a new model in the line up) - nil stock in Aust and will be delivered from Japan on 14 January - so some makers dont seem to have the issues that LR have.

Generic bulk production vehicles with very limited options will be a lot easier to source.

To get one that quick must have already been in the build list.

Anything bespoke is a decent wait with anyone.

Ford we’re selling their vehicles with one remote fob under promise the other would be delivered when possible- simply because they couldn’t get the fobs/chipset.

[laughto]

In our case we ordered a D300 SE with quite a few options (Santorini Black, Black 19" Wheels, Black Pack, Ebony Headlining, Tow Pack, Heated Front and Rear Seats, Mats, Off Road Pack), first week in June. Was advised Mid November this was now moved to MY23 build and if I wanted to retain leather steering wheel and gearshift I needed to add Leather (artificial leather now standards) which in turn required the cold climate pack. In the end I've ended up going for Windsor Leather and the Premium Interior pack as this 'brings back' the electric steering column adjustment (my wife and I share our cars) and adds 14 way cooled seats.

Dealer advised yesterday MY23 build don't start until April 22, so I think August will be the best outcome. We ended up selling both our BMWs whilst the market for used vehicles was hot, and picked up a Golf 8 Wagon as a second car (had to get it from Rockhampton - no more being imported due to semi-conductor issued) which we will share until the Defender (eventually) arrives.

Luke

Umm, we ordered end May 2021. Several options including Black Exterior, Black contrast roof, heated seats, Off Road and Towing pack, and the bugbear - 11.4in screen. This apparently has led to several delays. Originally suggested end of year delivery. Few more delays, then in November received a call to say that all Australian Defenders not already being built were effectively removed from the 'hopper' for build schedule and would now be a MY23 model. Oh and BTW, a ~$3k price increase (which subsequently the dealer has absorbed). At that stage, no build date.

Received a call from dealer this morning and hallelujah, build scheduled for 18/2/22 and delivery May 2022. But wait, no 11.4" screen and analogue instrument panel instead of digital. We can wait for these items to become available again - but who knows how long that will be.

So not sure if anyone telling me porkies, as your dealer has advised that no MY23 build will commence until April 22, where I have been advised of Feb 22 build. Hope your dealer is wrong [bigsmile1]

Still need to make decision as whether or not to wait for a 'complete' vehicle or forego these 2 items.

[Summiitt]

Umm, we ordered end May 2021. Several options including Black Exterior, Black contrast roof, heated seats, Off Road and Towing pack, and the bugbear - 11.4in screen. This apparently has led to several delays. Originally suggested end of year delivery. Few more delays, then in November received a call to say that all Australian Defenders not already being built were effectively removed from the 'hopper' for build schedule and would now be a MY23 model. Oh and BTW, a ~$3k price increase (which subsequently the dealer has absorbed). At that stage, no build date.

Received a call from dealer this morning and hallelujah, build scheduled for 18/2/22 and delivery May 2022. But wait, no 11.4" screen and analogue instrument panel instead of digital. We can wait for these items to become available again - but who knows how long that will be.

So not sure if anyone telling me porkies, as your dealer has advised that no MY23 build will commence until April 22, where I have been advised of Feb 22 build. Hope your dealer is wrong [bigsmile1]

Still need to make decision as whether or not to wait for a 'complete' vehicle or forego these 2 items.

I got confirmation that mine was built on the 27/12 and the 1/4/22 delivery date still stands, however Im not too confident with shipping times at the moment. I havnt received any word on what options were not available, though it is a pretty basic build with the only options of a white roof, air suspension and the rear locker.

[DEFDOCJON]

I’ve just been called by the dealer
I placed order in September 21- for an X
Build date expected to be March
Delivery hopefully June
No downgrades to digital display noted

[Sweetpea]

I’ve just been called by the dealer
I placed order in September 21- for an X
Build date expected to be March
Delivery hopefully June
No downgrades to digital display noted


X is the only way to get all the tech, lot more money than the lower spec’s.

[Sol]

BTW, a ~$3k price increase (which subsequently the dealer has absorbed). At that stage, no build date.

Received a call from dealer this morning and hallelujah, build scheduled for 18/2/22 and delivery May 2022. But wait, no 11.4" screen and analogue instrument panel instead of digital. We can wait for these items to become available again - but who knows how long that will be.

Still need to make decision as whether or not to wait for a 'complete' vehicle or forego these 2 items.

Got a call yesterday from the dealer to advise my D300 will be at the docks in Melbourne on 12th Feb but Covid means it won’t get trucked the <10 kms to the dealer until 2 weeks later.

Also got the news that there’s a $3993 + GST price increase courtesy of LRA. Hmmm. Dealer says he’s absorbed as much of the increase as possible but it’s still costing me $4.4K.

He went on to say later builds are struggling for some digital options and going up in price. At least I get the digital dash and 11.4 screen as optioned.

[Summiitt]

Finally go the word and the new 90 is not only on the ship, but in Australian waters, I have started tracking the ship and its currently just south of Melb, due in the dealership in Sydney on the 4th, delivery on the 8th..thats almost 12 months on the dot..if it happens. Now I can get excited

[Sol]

Finally go the word and the new 90 is not only on the ship, but in Australian waters, I have started tracking the ship and its currently just south of Melb, due in the dealership in Sydney on the 4th, delivery on the 8th..thats almost 12 months on the dot..if it happens. Now I can get excited

Yep - mine just arrived. Ordered 15 April 2021. Got to dealership last week. Due to relocation it would have been an estimated 4 weeks to ship to Cairns. Dealer reckoned that was optimistic so I flew down last Friday and drove it from Melbourne. Now have a white D300 with a few options sitting on my drive waiting for new adventures 😃

[ramblingboy42]

what was the latest all ends up price on your D300?

[ramblingboy42]

Nissan have released an upmarket Navara called a warrior.....and why not?

It has all the bells and whistles and basically no call for aftermarket accessories , Nissan have included wheels/tyres , suspension , barwork , lighting and lots of interior goodies.

Well..... someone put it up against the 663 D300....why I'm not sure.

It ...the Warrior....did everything comparitively well and considering somewhere around $50,000-$60, 000 price difference , it makes consideration for a new 4x4 quite attractive.

In all areas tested the D300 scored around the 8.5/10 while the Warrior wallowed along behind everywhere , but with 8-8.2/10 in most categories

Yes the D300 showed it up everywhere but are you going to notice it crossing the Simpson or on the Canning Stock route?

I think I would purchase the Nissan and when I wasn't out bush in it would choose to spend the price difference on a few luxury world/half world cruises.

[Tombie]

You’ll notice it every bump [emoji2957]

[loanrangie]

You’ll notice it every bump [emoji2957]For sure , every Datsun I've been in ride like crap and navara's are the worst

[one_iota]

I'm not ordering until January but the dealer has just told me that the delivery time is currently 7 months.
Update:
Mine was ordered in mid-April.
It was built in August.
It is due early November.
So far that's 7 months [smilebigeye]

[mowog]

Update:
Mine was ordered in mid-April.
It was built in August.
It is due early November.
So far that's 7 months [smilebigeye]

I ordered around the same time and I have no notification on a build yet.

[kenl]

I ordered 17 Feb and got notification, finally, on the 23rd of August that expected delivery will be 25 of Feb 2023. Prior to that I had no updates at all. Build date 2 December.

I ordered a d300 SE.

When ordering I was told to expect to wait 12 months.

[MalibuRod]

Well here's a little story for everyone,

(First post by the way)
I ordered my D300 SE 22/12/2021. to replace my 2013 D4 HSE. it only had 155k on the clock then. I was told a month ago the new car might be here this Dec but not to count on it. I haven't been told its in Manuf yet so I'm not positive at all.

In January this year however the D4 blew the motor - crank. While towing the caravan. That's the 5th time it's been on a tilt tray now - 4 times with the van, and a long long way from home mostly. Always an adventure driving these things as well being bloody frustrating and costly.
So it's a love hate relationship with LR. I love it and the smarter one beside me hates it. I think I'm the delusional one.

So we spent $22k on a fully recond motor and 4 months later we're back on the road - crappy timing hey breaking a motor a month after ordering a replacement car!

Well on Friday whilst towing the van again, this time only a few hundred Klms from home guess what. Yep, virtually without warning the car 's motor stopped and we glided just far enough to be able to roll off the M1. I positive the motors gone again. So another 4 hours the misses and I spent in a tow truck.

The car's now headed back to the motor rebuilder under warranty - at this point I feel sorry for him. I hope that doesn't turn to further frustrations with the outcome.

Most of my mates drive the Nissan Y62's and love them (not the fuel efficiency though, they just accept that). I haven't been able to bring myself to tell em about the latest tragedy. I can hear them now - Your buying another one! You're a complete dill to put it mildly for this publication.

So someone please enlighten me - Can I expect the same experience with the new Defr. I definitely wouldn't risk keeping it past the warranty period for sure.

The heart says, stay the corse,. Its a brand new car, motor everything but a there's the voice in my head says, cancel it - get a Nissan and with the nearly 30K saving don't worry about the fuel.

Malibu Rod. [bighmmm]

[Hopalong]

We have had our car just over a year 20,000 Kms plus ,one Simson crossing and numerous trips to the Flinders ranges. Slight problem with tpms and very slight coolant use. Have not towed with it but otherwise happy .
[smilebigeye]

[simonmelb]

Only you can answer this! Depends on your attitude to risk, what value you place on reliability and what you would expect if things go wrong.

I can’t speak for the new defender but in reading over the last 12 years JLRAs attitude to rectifying faults and looking after long term customers there’s absolutely no way in the world I’d buy a new Landrover.

Yes the D4 and quite like the new Defender are amazingly comfortable and capable, when major things go wrong like the 3 litre D4 engine failures JLR just don’t want to know, and have to be kicked and dragged to do anything.

My job involves selling $150K industrial equipment ( sold largely through reputation and word of mouth) and if I neglected customers the way Landrover have done consistently I would have been out of business years ago! The d2 will be my last LR unfortunately. Rant over and good luck with your decision.


Well here's a little story for everyone,

(First post by the way)
I ordered my D300 SE 22/12/2021. to replace my 2013 D4 HSE. it only had 155k on the clock then. I was told a month ago the new car might be here this Dec but not to count on it. I haven't been told its in Manuf yet so I'm not positive at all.

In January this year however the D4 blew the motor - crank. While towing the caravan. That's the 5th time it's been on a tilt tray now - 4 times with the van, and a long long way from home mostly. Always an adventure driving these things as well being bloody frustrating and costly.
So it's a love hate relationship with LR. I love it and the smarter one beside me hates it. I think I'm the delusional one.

So we spent $22k on a fully recond motor and 4 months later we're back on the road - crappy timing hey breaking a motor a month after ordering a replacement car!

Well on Friday whilst towing the van again, this time only a few hundred Klms from home guess what. Yep, virtually without warning the car 's motor stopped…….

So someone please enlighten me - Can I expect the same experience with the new Defr. I definitely wouldn't risk keeping it past the warranty period for sure.

The heart says, stay the corse,. Its a brand new car, motor everything but a there's the voice in my head says, cancel it - get a Nissan and with the nearly 30K saving don't worry about the fuel.

Malibu Rod. [bighmmm]

[Eric SDV6SE]

Well here's a little story for everyone,

(First post by the way)
I ordered my D300 SE 22/12/2021. to replace my 2013 D4 HSE. it only had 155k on the clock then. I was told a month ago the new car might be here this Dec but not to count on it. I haven't been told its in Manuf yet so I'm not positive at all.

In January this year however the D4 blew the motor - crank. While towing the caravan. That's the 5th time it's been on a tilt tray now - 4 times with the van, and a long long way from home mostly. Always an adventure driving these things as well being bloody frustrating and costly.
So it's a love hate relationship with LR. I love it and the smarter one beside me hates it. I think I'm the delusional one.

So we spent $22k on a fully recond motor and 4 months later we're back on the road - crappy timing hey breaking a motor a month after ordering a replacement car!

Well on Friday whilst towing the van again, this time only a few hundred Klms from home guess what. Yep, virtually without warning the car 's motor stopped and we glided just far enough to be able to roll off the M1. I positive the motors gone again. So another 4 hours the misses and I spent in a tow truck.

The car's now headed back to the motor rebuilder under warranty - at this point I feel sorry for him. I hope that doesn't turn to further frustrations with the outcome.

Most of my mates drive the Nissan Y62's and love them (not the fuel efficiency though, they just accept that). I haven't been able to bring myself to tell em about the latest tragedy. I can hear them now - Your buying another one! You're a complete dill to put it mildly for this publication.

So someone please enlighten me - Can I expect the same experience with the new Defr. I definitely wouldn't risk keeping it past the warranty period for sure.

The heart says, stay the corse,. Its a brand new car, motor everything but a there's the voice in my head says, cancel it - get a Nissan and with the nearly 30K saving don't worry about the fuel.

Malibu Rod. [bighmmm]

Mate, stay the course. There is nothing else that's comparable in comfort, capability and quality. I owned my D4 for 8 years. Whilst we did not have the dreaded crank failure (regular 10,000km oil service, engine flush and using quality full synthetic oils seems to prevent this we did make the decision to upgrade at 230000km. I personally don't trust the dealers, I'd rather find a reliable independent or do it myself.

The current generation ingenium engines are a far cry from the PSA designed, Ford "improved" versions that went into the Disco's, but like any mechanical machine, there are tolerances. Yes there are failures, but the actual failure rate looking at the global population of those engines is something like 0.01%. Biggest issue on those diesels is the LR service interval of 24000km, especially considering they have EGRs. For every hard luck story there is the one about the oem making good under goodwill clause. Regular, preventative maintenance should see trouble free motoring. Yes JLR could possibly lift their game in customer relations, but the Japanese manufactures are no better, and even less likely to come to the party on a high miler.

I've driven the Toyota, the Nissan and the Mitsubishi, they are all bland, unexciting and outdated vehicles with truck like handling and even blander styling. Not for me. The Ineos grenadier with solid live axles is no better.

Our 11yo D4 has no creaks, rattles, squeaks or any such issues, paint is fantastic and interior leather like new. I'd like to see any other make achieve that. My wife's Jeep is just 4yo and already starting to notice paint fade, interior issues and so on.

We've ordered a P400SE due in well over a year, I have no reservations in our decision, they are a well built, sophisticated and extremely capable vehicle, well ahead of the Toyota and Noosans.

Sold the D4 last week as the second-hand market is pretty good, I do miss it already...

[100inch]

Only you can answer this! Depends on your attitude to risk, what value you place on reliability and what you would expect if things go wrong.

I can’t speak for the new defender but in reading over the last 12 years JLRAs attitude to rectifying faults and looking after long term customers there’s absolutely no way in the world I’d buy a new Landrover.

Yes the D4 and quite like the new Defender are amazingly comfortable and capable, when major things go wrong like the 3 litre D4 engine failures JLR just don’t want to know, and have to be kicked and dragged to do anything.

My job involves selling $150K industrial equipment ( sold largely through reputation and word of mouth) and if I neglected customers the way Landrover have done consistently I would have been out of business years ago! The d2 will be my last LR unfortunately. Rant over and good luck with your decision.
Oh, so glad JLR doesn't care or produce for customers like you. Byeeee

[chuck]

Oh, so glad JLR doesn't care or produce for customers like you. Byeeee

Really - people are allowed to express their opinion with out some one being rude.

[100inch]

Really - people are allowed to express their opinion with out some one being rude.
Next....

[100inch]

Really - people are allowed to express their opinion with out some one being rude.
Was just highlighting that the topic is delivery dates of L663 and not people sharing non-related stories. So keep your opinion to yourself.

[simonmelb]

Ahhmmm.. You may not have noticed but this forum is all about expressing thoughts, opinions and more importantly giving each other a helping hand when it’s needed.

You may not agree with my opinion, but it’s just that. An opinion on JLRA.

Not a criticism of any person or indeed on any Landrover product.

So perhaps have a think about what you can contribute to the forum.

Ill keep expressing opinions and indeed keep helping others with D2 tips and solutions as I have done for 11+ years.

Sincerely,

Simon


Was just highlighting that the topic is delivery dates of L663 and not people sharing non-related stories. So keep your opinion to yourself.

[mowog]

Well here's a little story for everyone,

(First post by the way)
I ordered my D300 SE 22/12/2021. to replace my 2013 D4 HSE. it only had 155k on the clock then. I was told a month ago the new car might be here this Dec but not to count on it. I haven't been told its in Manuf yet so I'm not positive at all.

Malibu Rod. [bighmmm]

I have owned my D4 2010 3l from new... Its never been on a tilt tray. Yes it has broken but never failed to get us home...

I Ordered a New Defender in April now my D4 is sitting waiting for a new turbo. I am sure the bloody thing has a connection to my bank account and it knows I am saving for its replacement. So in a Jealous rage it goes and breaks on me.

[one_iota]

....... I am sure the bloody thing has a connection to my bank account and it knows I am saving for its replacement. So in a Jealous rage it goes and breaks on me.

My Defender also has this sense....it self-annihilated its transfer case in fit of jealous rage a couple of months ago!

[scarry]

Was just highlighting that the topic is delivery dates of L663 and not people sharing non-related stories. So keep your opinion to yourself.

Did you not see post 93?

[trout1105]

Was just highlighting that the topic is delivery dates of L663 and not people sharing non-related stories. So keep your opinion to yourself.

Maliburod ASKED for an opinion and simonmeb gave him one, Nothing to get all bitter and twsted about.

[100inch]

Maliburod ASKED for an opinion and simonmeb gave him one, Nothing to get all bitter and twsted about.
Not bitter at all.
Unlike most people here I actually own a L663 and probably bit more qualified to respond to this topic.
Isn't there a thread where the knuckle draggers can hold their hands? Asking for a friend....

[chuck]

Was just highlighting that the topic is delivery dates of L663 and not people sharing non-related stories. So keep your opinion to yourself.

I will express my opinion as is my right to.

You can tell me to keep them to myself does not mean i am going to.

[trout1105]

Not bitter at all.
Unlike most people here I actually own a L663 and probably bit more qualified to respond to this topic.
Isn't there a thread where the knuckle draggers can hold their hands? Asking for a friend....

I really dont give a rats arse what vehicle you own, It doesn't give you the right to be rude and obnoxious.

[100inch]

I really dont give a rats arse what vehicle you own, It doesn't give you the right to be rude and obnoxious.
Fancy some new gloves?

[DiscoJeffster]

It’s been a while since we had a true troll on here [emoji897]

[trout1105]

Fancy some new gloves?

I have NO use for gloves[bigwhistle][biggrin]

[chruzz]

I ordered a 110 D300 with some option in April 2022. Still no build slot allocated. I ordered from Sth Brisbane JLR.


Update:
Mine was ordered in mid-April.
It was built in August.
It is due early November.
So far that's 7 months [smilebigeye]

[chruzz]

me too!


I ordered around the same time and I have no notification on a build yet.

[one_iota]

I ordered a 110 D300 with some option in April 2022. Still no build slot allocated. I ordered from Sth Brisbane JLR.

So I enquired by email to my dealer (the bloke I paid my deposit to). He told me what the status was. Somewhat later I received an email from JLR confirming what I'd been told:

"Dear Mahn,

Your new Land Rover Defender is now on a ship heading to Australia. We have taken extra care to make sure your new vehicle arrives in pristine condition.

It won’t be long before your vehicle is on Australian soil, and you get to experience the unrivaled capability and exquisite luxury of your new Land Rover Defender.

Here is your order confirmation number 12345678. You can use it to track your order with your sales consultant at your chosen retailer.

We’re looking forward to letting you know when your Land Rover Defender arrives in Australia."

Nag your "chosen retailer" you are paying them a delivery fee so make them earn it!

[laughto]

I ordered a 110 D300 with some option in April 2022. Still no build slot allocated. I ordered from Sth Brisbane JLR.

Patience and Disappointment are the 2 traits you need to have in spades when ordering a Defender. Ordered late May '21. Finally built 24/6/22 after many deslotted build dates. Shipped from Zeebrugge on 19/7/22. Arrived Port Kembla 30/8/22. Released to dealer 7/10/22 (suffered a quarantine delay with a biosecurity issue effecting all cars on vessel). Pick up on 14/10/22. That's about 16.5 months of exercising patience and disappointment!

[chruzz]

Only a few more days to pick up!


Patience and Disappointment are the 2 traits you need to have in spades when ordering a Defender. Ordered late May '21. Finally built 24/6/22 after many deslotted build dates. Shipped from Zeebrugge on 19/7/22. Arrived Port Kembla 30/8/22. Released to dealer 7/10/22 (suffered a quarantine delay with a biosecurity issue effecting all cars on vessel). Pick up on 14/10/22. That's about 16.5 months of exercising patience and disappointment!

[Eric SDV6SE]

Patience and Disappointment are the 2 traits you need to have in spades when ordering a Defender. Ordered late May '21. Finally built 24/6/22 after many deslotted build dates. Shipped from Zeebrugge on 19/7/22. Arrived Port Kembla 30/8/22. Released to dealer 7/10/22 (suffered a quarantine delay with a biosecurity issue effecting all cars on vessel). Pick up on 14/10/22. That's about 16.5 months of exercising patience and disappointment!

Only disappointing if they promised you say 6months delivery at time of ordering.

[laughto]

Only disappointing if they promised you say 6months delivery at time of ordering.

Exactly what they did.

[laughto]

Only a few more days to pick up!

👍

[Eric SDV6SE]

Exactly what they did.

Then agreed that's disappointing. We have been given an 18 month lead time, we have a build spot allocated, however I suspect that may change.

[laughto]

Then agreed that's disappointing. We have been given an 18 month lead time, we have a build spot allocated, however I suspect that may change.

Hopefully build cycles will settle down a bit and your 18 months will be absolute worst case. But who knows. Certainly the dealers are pretty much in the dark from what I have observed.

[scarry]

Hopefully build cycles will settle down a bit and your 18 months will be absolute worst case. But who knows. Certainly the dealers are pretty much in the dark from what I have observed.

A mate recently ordered a RRS,18 months to 24 months was the delivery date.

Don't know if i could wait that long for a vehicle.

[Tombie]

A mate recently ordered a RRS,18 months to 24 months was the delivery date.

Don't know if i could wait that long for a vehicle.

Just need to plan better! Pick up this vehicle and place order for the next one [emoji13]

[laughto]

Just need to plan better! Pick up this vehicle and place order for the next one [emoji13]

Now there's a plan 😎

[scarry]

Now there's a plan 😎

How many times do plans change?

[laughto]

How many times do plans change?

P1ss Poor Planning Promotes P1ss Poor Projects!

[Tombie]

How many times do plans change?

In my job - by the minute!

[scarry]

In my job - by the minute!

Same here,particularly doing call outs and breakdown repairs 24/7.

[MalibuRod]

Maliburod ASKED for an opinion and simonmeb gave him one, Nothing to get all bitter and twisted about.
Hello all, If anyone's interested I've just been advised that my D300 should be in my hands 7/4/23. I placed my orderDec 21.

As my disco 4 has blown the motor for the second time this year and still awaits rectification I went out and bought a Nissan Y62 Series 5 2020 TI/L from a mate who had sold his van. Only 11k on the dial.
I'm really much more impressed with it than I expected. Really comfortable, loads and loads of power and a huge boot area, awesome size in fact. There's a lot more tec in them than I thought. But somehow the whole unit looks and feels quite dated.
I think these things are well tested and seem pretty bullet proof. I reckon you could take em anywhere happily [except to the fuel bowser] without thinking I need some plug in thingy to clear fault codes. I bet I get a roasting for that comment!

The thing is the Nissan just doesn't excite me like the new defr does. So I should think I'll have a low klm Nissan to move on shortly after the new car arrives. Or then again maybe a cool looking Defender - We'll see.
Cheers

[ATH]

"As my disco 4 has blown the motor for the second time this year". This sort of horror story is what has sent me around the car yards recently. I thought I may look at a Prado as we had one years ago with no problems (120 series) or the Everest Sport.
Prado has yet more power squeezed out of the engine and feels dated inside, plus has still got that huge awful barn door at the back which won't open fully with the van hooked up. Everest has a V6 Lion motor which puts out good power way above the Prado, but could it suffer the same probs as the D4s V6 motor does?
Prado has way more useable room in the back than the Everest, and better holders for the wife's junk in the doors, but I'm hesitant about ordering as I get the feeling a new model is on the way, although no doubt I can switch my order (pay more?) if that happens. Neither of those vehicles matches the D4 for ride comfort.
Indie reckons keep the Disco as it's in top condition, grossly over serviced and rides beautifully and looks good .... but I just have that thought at the back of my mind "what if" and all those horror stories come true? :(
Lastly, both vehicles have very long wait times which is really a put off for me never having been someone with a lot of patience. :)
I'm a "When do we want it? We want it NOW" type.
AlanH.

PS. I'm off to the stealers today to check out a new Defender ... I'm a real sucker for punishment. :)

[ozscott]

Allegedly Ford has re worked its 3.0 with a stronger crank. Only going by what I have read. Hopefully that will make the 3.0 a reliable long life beast. Cheers

[Eric SDV6SE]

Allegedly Ford has re worked its 3.0 with a stronger crank. Only going by what I have read. Hopefully that will make the 3.0 a reliable long life beast. Cheers

The new Defenders all have ingenium engines, built in house by JLR, and they are a straight 6. No relation to the PSA/Ford V6 engine platform as used in the discovery range.

Ingenium engine family - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenium_engine_family)

[Tombie]

The new Defenders all have ingenium engines, built in house by JLR, and they are a straight 6. No relation to the PSA/Ford V6 engine platform as used in the discovery range.

Ingenium engine family - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenium_engine_family)

Fingers crossed they sorted the Ingenium issues out.
We will know as each engine gets around 80-90k on it.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Yep, these engines have been around since 2015, so there should be some high mileage units around already, say 160,000 to 180,000km on average. Not that I have actively searched, but not seen many (won't say any) mainstream news of catastrophic failures of this engine family.

[Tombie]

Yep, these engines have been around since 2015, so there should be some high mileage units around already, say 160,000 to 180,000km on average. Not that I have actively searched, but not seen many (won't say any) mainstream news of catastrophic failures of this engine family.

Talk to TRS and a few others in the game and you may be slightly more concerned.

Not as bad on the 6. But the 4s have a shocking reputation.

[DiscoJeffster]

Yep, these engines have been around since 2015, so there should be some high mileage units around already, say 160,000 to 180,000km on average. Not that I have actively searched, but not seen many (won't say any) mainstream news of catastrophic failures of this engine family.

When I took my GFs Discovery Sport into Dovers for a pre purchase inspection they were concerned it was an Ingenium engine. Thankfully hers was the old Freelander 2 engine that was solid.
They have replaced so many Ingenium engines in DS and RR Evoque. They even said the got a replacement engine from LR for one Evoque that didn’t even get out of the car park before failing.

They said it was the worst engine LR ever made. I am sure they’ve learnt from the early years.

This was the 4 cylinder specifically.

[scarry]

Talk to TRS and a few others in the game and you may be slightly more concerned.

Not as bad on the 6. But the 4s have a shocking reputation.

The 6 is an unknown quantity as it has not been around for very long.

But the 4,it was a shocker.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Build slot confirmed just after Christmas, ETA Barbagellos mid March 2023. That's 9 months earlier than expected. Getting a bit excited...full digital dash confirmed ( this was one of the unknowns when I ordered) the demo had a hybrid digital / analogue display.

[one_iota]

Build slot confirmed just after Christmas, ETA Barbagellos mid March 2023. That's 9 months earlier than expected. Getting a bit excited...full digital dash confirmed ( this was one of the unknowns when I ordered) the demo had a hybrid digital / analogue display.

Mine was 7 months 2 weeks and 5 days from placing the order! But I wasn't counting [wink11]. I picked it up last Tuesday with its full digital dash! Amazing vehicle.

[Jeffoir]

Congratulations on the new vehicle arrival!
that is exciting news.
Looking forward to hearing more about it as you go along.
Is there a plan for a “What did you do in your L663 today?” Thread?
best, jeff.

[zilch]

I thought most of the issues with the i4 engines was on the diesels due to DPF regen being shoe horned in
on the DS and RR ewok, and oil dilution attributed to daft LR service schedule.. we’re there problems with
the i4 petrols as well?

[one_iota]

Congratulations on the new vehicle arrival!
that is exciting news.
Looking forward to hearing more about it as you go along.
Is there a plan for a “What did you do in your L663 today?” Thread?
best, jeff.

True to the Land Rover tradition this one also is a platform upon which to build additional capability.

I'll be documenting my progress.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Contrary to the title, my dealer confirmed build slot starting 23.12. Car should be here by end March. A full 9 months earlier than expected. Happy days ahead.

[Dalliance]

Contrary to the title, my dealer confirmed build slot starting 23.12. Car should be here by end March. A full 9 months earlier than expected. Happy days ahead.

Had been advised 15 months (from April 2020 order), but now it's scheduled for a March delivery.

Woohoo!!!

[Eric SDV6SE]

Had been advised 15 months (from April 2020 order), but now it's scheduled for a March delivery.

Woohoo!!!

April 2020 or 2022?

[4bee]

April 2020 or 2022?


Good luck with that, I just hope it is not despatched by another Car Carrier that sinks in the English Channel & has to be cut into sections for it's removal to scrap including all the vehicles on board.
[bigsad]

[Dalliance]

April 2020 or 2022?

Yep, twas 2022.

That said, the 'original' order (with Tow Pack) of 15 months was reduced if I would take just a tow bar and not the Tow Pack. That suited me as 2 of the 4 components of the Tow Pack were unlikely to be used by me.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Yep, twas 2022.

That said, the 'original' order (with Tow Pack) of 15 months was reduced if I would take just a tow bar and not the Tow Pack. That suited me as 2 of the 4 components of the Tow Pack were unlikely to be used by me.

Ordered mine without the tow pack, just the tow bar, I was told if I was capable of reversing a trailer or camper, tow pack was not needed. DSC and TSC come standard with the vehicle, so I saved about 3k in the end.

[Tombie]

Ordered mine without the tow pack, just the tow bar, I was told if I was capable of reversing a trailer or camper, tow pack was not needed. DSC and TSC come standard with the vehicle, so I saved about 3k in the end.

You did now, probably won’t in 5 years [emoji41]

[Eric SDV6SE]

You did now, probably won’t in 5 years [emoji41]

Care to clarify Mr.Tombie?

[Tombie]

Care to clarify Mr.Tombie?

When you go to sell it, the resale will likely be down by equivalent ratio.

It’s like the D4s. The locker was a $1k option. Now it makes a second hand vehicle much more attractive.

[Homestar]

If you think cars are hard to get - try buying a new truck at the moment. The business I work for is growing and a new truck for the fleet was needed - we use Scania’s for our larger trucks so adding a new Prime mover was a no brainer to get a Scania. Boss chatted to the Sales guy he’s bought the others off. This conversation was at the start of November just gone. The reply was ‘We aren’t even taking orders at the moment - We can look at taking your order mid to late next year, then you’re looking at 18 months from there for a build slot.’

We did end up buying a 9 month old R540 - spec was overkill for us as it was set up for road train work so has sleeper, reduction drive axles, 1700 litre tanks, etc. it was on lease through Scania to a company waiting for their new vehicle to be delivered and it didn’t even hit the market as the Sales guy grabbed it for us before they advertised it, so we got lucky as the other second hand units we looked at were crap.

It turned up just before Christmas and we’re waiting on a custom drop deck trailer now - which will be early Feb so not too bad.

A bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut as we will use it for local deliveries etc - to say the Drivers are happy with it is an understatement though. [emoji4]

It has the same KM on it as our 6 year old twin steer - which is out most used truck, so it will have an easier time from now on than it’s start to life.

I’ve already said that I guarantee someone will run it out of fuel as the tank is so big everyone will forget until it goes on a long run. The second pic may not be clear enough but the tanks are at 75% and distance to empty is showing 3,200KM. [emoji16][emoji106]

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[Eric SDV6SE]

When you go to sell it, the resale will likely be down by equivalent ratio.

It’s like the D4s. The locker was a $1k option. Now it makes a second hand vehicle much more attractive.

Right, I see, plan to hold on to it for the next 10years or so, by then it shouldn't matter. Nb I had the D4 for 9y4m

[Tombie]

Right, I see, plan to hold on to it for the next 10years or so, by then it shouldn't matter. Nb I had the D4 for 9y4m

No worries...

I've had my D4 for 11yrs and 5months now.. Longest I've owned a daily driver by about 9 years [bigrolf]

[one_iota]

Right, I see, plan to hold on to it for the next 10years or so, by then it shouldn't matter. Nb I had the D4 for 9y4m

My "classic" Defender has just turned 15 and it's still in its prime (unlike its owner). The disco before that was 10 when I passed it on (a rusty firewall has seen it scrapped I'm told). Twenty-five years of Land Rover ownership and only two of them! I'm sure the new one will see me out.

[spudfan]

Third shift added at the factory, so sales must be good
Land Rover Defender Production Boosted With Third Shift Amid Strong Demand (https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/land-rover-defender-production-boosted-with-third-shift-amid-strong-demand/ar-AA173XbU?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f0fa27ff0feb4a6a8404099d4c7fd40d)

[IvanR]

Well finally bit the bullet and went in to order a new Defender D300 SE from local dealer (Shepparton) expecting 12 to 18 months wait time only to be I could get one by June (2023). But to get it I would have to take matrix headlights. If i insisted on ordinary LEDs then would have to wait. It seems I walked in at the right time as the dealer had just been allocated 5 build slots. Had to chose the colour asap. Went in as a customer, came out wondering if I was a victim.
I think I will need a cop-pilot for all the tech. Not sure about the see though camera as this gives SWMBO a good view and time to say NO.

Ivan

110 D300 SE

[chuck]

I have heard good things about the Shepparton Dealer & they are not to far from me

What were your thoughts?

Closest dealer to me in kilometres want $8000 dealer deliver a little while ago when i was pricing one.

[IvanR]

Well Chuck at $8000 i think they are having a lend of you. All prices as per LR website and got a small discount as well.
I went in with my build list and there was no trying sell me extra bling, except he guided me to a different option at an extra $200 that also included roof rails that I had not noticed. It also helped that SWMBO knew his parents.

Ivan

[Eric SDV6SE]

Our P400 110 SE has been built, its on its way to Perth, expecting to take delivery end of March.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Update on this, took delivery of our P400SE 110 Defender in Carpathian Grey last Thursday. 9 months 29days from order, we were quoted 18 months delivery at time of order. What an awesome vehicle.
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