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spudfan
24th September 2021, 06:23 AM
This is from Defender2. Someone having a spot of bother with the new Defender, but is confident it is just a one off of situation.
DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - If you want to go into the Australian Outback... (https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic80369.html) includes photos. Here is the basic story.

"I sold my house last year and bought a Defender D300 SE so I could hit the road, live out of my car and work on a landscape photography book since covid had decimated my work as a music photographer and tour manager.

I made it all the way from Traralgon through the Victorian high country before breaking down for the first time 40 mins outside Byron Bay with error code P034. The car was towed to Gold Coast Land Rover who took TWO weeks to tell me there was nothing wrong with it.

Land Rover provided me a replacement car that couldn't even handle the potholes on the road we lived on.

A couple of months later a loss of power again, this time with no error codes. The car was taken to the Sunshine Coast to Pacific Motors. Over the course of 6 weeks they misdiagnosed it TWICE and then trucked the car back to me with a new error code after fixing the wrong part.

During this time LR put us in cars not large enough to carry the camping gear etc carried in the defender and so cheap that we were left in pain every day after long drives, don’t expect decent replacement cars if you break down in Australia.

Not having a 4wd also meant I couldn’t head to the places I needed to go to for the landscape photography, so more lost time and work. Because we couldn’t camp anymore LR had to pay for our cheap accommodation instead of just air freighting the part from Europe to the Sunshine Coast!! It cost them $5,480, took 6 weeks and I’m now a pretty Censored off customer. By this time my car was shipped to Cairns, I was reunited with it showing a new check engine light error!!

I was meant to head to work in the bush the next day, I took it to Trinity Land Rover who managed to diagnose the issue as the exhaust section of the throttle body and this time LR got the part within 24hours. This time I had to hire a camper van to head up to Cooktown so I could at least do some music photography work.

When we got back to Cairns, after repairing the car, they turned it back on and the ECU was dead.

Basically LR gave the dealer a long list of things to restart the ECU but in the end they just disconnected the battery and it came back to life. After taking the car out for short drives LR signed off on it and we proceeded to take the car up to Cape York on the Old Telegraph Track.

The car did amazingly on the corrugated roads, allowed us to cover vast distances in comfort, and performed really well on the OTT, leaving people watching in awe at how it could slowly crawl over any rutted out track or through Nolan’s Creek Crossing with ease. BUT the day after making it through all of that, across the Jardine River and setting up camp at the Punsand Bay Resort, we drove a standard gravel road 14kms to the Tip and just before the carpark at the most northerly part of Australia the car started overheating, spewing coolant everywhere and lit up with a seperate Electrical error.

We limped to the car park as the road was narrow and we needed to safely park. We decided to walk to the tip and leave the car to rest, when we got back and turned it on a Low Coolant warning, battery not charging turn on car warning appeared. I opened the bonnet to find all the coolant gone. Phoned LR for assistance and was told our only option was to have the car towed 1000kms to Cairns and for us to ride along in the tow truck on a 3-day drive across corrugated roads.

When the truck arrived 4 hours later the car didn’t have enough power to start the engine and be able to get the car into neutral and hand break off. Also every warning light came on from suspension to sos system. The tow truck driver also told me, they don’t tow cars back to Cairns, they put them on a barge, so I guess riding along in the cabin was never an option after all. After calling Melbourne LR for help, no one could tell roadside assistance how to bypass the electrical parking brake or put the car into neutral, so my car had to be dragged onto the truck with the wheels locked up, trashing my new and very expensive tyres, burning rubber and ruining my brake pads I’m sure!!

Now, we’re stuck at the tip with no car, no call back from LR, what seems like zero customer service, nowhere to live once our campsite, which is fully booked expires on Saturday and a whole lot of stress and upset, for what??? If anyone from LR head office sees this, feel free to call me because I’ve been waiting over 24hrs for a call back and a solution."

edddo
24th September 2021, 06:29 AM
Yes a very tolerant hopeful and optimistic individual!

rar110
24th September 2021, 06:57 AM
The trip illustrates how by design and technology JLR have made an incredibly capable vehicle, but at the same time more technology increases vulnerability. It also resembles my experience, if you break down in a Land Rover no one will look at it even if you know the problem and how it can be fixed. It’s a tray top back to the city, holiday over.

I’m sure there must be a way to manually release the electronic handbrake.

PhilipA
24th September 2021, 08:16 AM
173902Wow he must be rich to drive a brand new car through Nolans brook.<br>
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It often over the maximum wading depth for the car, so I wonder if its the old fan through radiator trick plus water in alternator.<br>
The optimum car for Nolans Brook is an FJ60. No computers , manual windows.<br>
Regards PhilipA<br>
If it is water damage he may be refused warranty but then I guess he can claim insurance. GRRRRR.

ramblingboy42
24th September 2021, 09:06 AM
This is why I sold my D2 and bought a Ranger.

The only thing I've had to contend with in 6yrs has been a dirty fuel episode.

Would I like another Land Rover? Yes.

Will I buy another one ? No . Well, maybe/ maybe not.

I travel every year , twice a year on extended trips into SA desert country and just can't live with possibility of having to endure what Spudfan has just been through.

I was so lucky with my D2...it never let me down out bush, always as soon as I got home , and I think I had every D2 problem , sometimes several times over.

So my Ranger 130 which is very very mechanically similar to a Defender 130 does the job without fail , without concerns for reliability.

spudfan
24th September 2021, 09:13 AM
Was not me in the story. I just took it from Defender2.

ramblingboy42
24th September 2021, 09:27 AM
ok , apologies for that Spud

DazzaTD5
24th September 2021, 09:51 AM
Once again the issues with the new Defender screams of poor build quality and poor quality components not the hi-tech level. Jaguar Land Rover make this choice when building a vehicle.

To be fair, the owner sounds like a bit of a dick saying "so my car had to be dragged onto the truck with the wheels locked up, trashing my new and very expensive tyres, burning rubber and ruining my brake pads" What a bull**** statement, no you wont trash your tyres or brakes just skull dragging it up a tilt tray.

Garfield
25th September 2021, 11:27 AM
Just for reference for owners of new Defenders, attached picture shows how to manually release the Electronic Park Brake from within the engine bay.

This was the first thing I found out when I took delivery of my D300.

scarry
25th September 2021, 12:17 PM
This is exactly the main reason we moved off to another brand after 20yrs of LR's,all bought new.

Although what also helped was there was not a model that we really liked,and suited our needs.

And this vehicle we now have has a dead easy way to get the vehicle out of park if the battery is flat,and its all explained in the vehicles handbook.

As is the way to get the rear tailgate set up open from inside,if the battery is flat.I dont think there is one LR that has this option.

Discodicky
25th September 2021, 06:58 PM
Once again the issues with the new Defender screams of poor build quality and poor quality components not the hi-tech level. Jaguar Land Rover make this choice when building a vehicle.

To be fair, the owner sounds like a bit of a dick saying "so my car had to be dragged onto the truck with the wheels locked up, trashing my new and very expensive tyres, burning rubber and ruining my brake pads" What a bull**** statement, no you wont trash your tyres or brakes just skull dragging it up a tilt tray.

Yes yes, but it also begs the question as to how competent are the respective LR Dealers who do the diagnosis' and subsequent repairs?
They seem to have the enviable ([bigwhistle]) ability to introduce new problems that never existed when the car was taken to them. Hence the comments that different warning lights appear after collecting the vehicle from the Dealer after the repairs.....
That was very much the case in that USA episode on U-tube some months ago!

It appears the Owners Manual was not consulted re park brake disconnect? As they say... "if all else fails, read the instructions..." [bigwhistle]

PhilipA
25th September 2021, 08:01 PM
The latest on the other forum is that it was just the multi function belt coming off and stopping the water pump which caused overheat etc etc.
I wonder if it was the deep water that caused that.
One would think that should be rather obvious to the driver .
Regards PhilipA

spudfan
25th September 2021, 08:16 PM
I admire the person in the post who bought the vehicle. They bought a vehicle to fulfill a specific role. Land Rover were selling a vehicle which they said was designed with this purpose in mind. The vehicle was purchased and the adventure put in motion. There will be the odd teething problem with a new model and overlanding will throw up it's own challenges which the driver and vehicle will combine to surmount.
What the design team did not account for in the design specification is the ability of the owner to aid the vehicle when things go awry. Older vehicles would let the owner nurse them and cajole them into making progress should an issue arise unless off course it was a major gearbox removal issue or something of that ilk. Newer vehicles seem to have a built in desire to shun any attempt to get them moving again should some issue arise. The ECU seems to want the main dealer to give it the reassuring feeling of the diagnostic equipment being plugged in to it before letting itself be coaxed back into action. Fair enough but when it refuses to share it's fault codes to allow the recovery to take place that is a major flaw. If there are no fault codes to share to indicate the troublesome issue that is definately a problem. Maybe if there was a sub program designated "common sense" which could be added to the system but probably not in the mindset of the designers.
I look forward to someone doing something similar with the Ineos Grenadier and posting the results of their trip with the vehicle fresh out of the box.

Graeme
25th September 2021, 09:06 PM
As is the way to get the rear tailgate set up open from inside,if the battery is flat.I dont think there is one LR that has this option.The L322 does and it's documented in the handbook.
Edit: It's not in the handbook - still looking.

DazzaTD5
27th September 2021, 12:15 PM
Yes yes, but it also begs the question as to how competent are the respective LR Dealers who do the diagnosis' and subsequent repairs?


I don't think there is any question about how competent dealers are. They simply have no clue and this is yet another example.