The new flagship

[Roverlord off road spares]

The new flagship 2022 Range Rover.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTdciT6QfJ4


https://www.motor1.com/news/543339/2022-land-rover-range-rover/

[trout1105]

Low profile tyres on a 4WD completely defeats the purpose of owning it.
Not my cup of tea I'm afraid.

[Arapiles]

So, it is a 7 seater - in the LWB version - and the leaked photos were of the RR and not the Sport.

2022 Range Rover Adds Third-Row Option, Plug-In Hybrid to Come (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38036534/2022-range-rover-revealed/)

Edit: this is going to be a big hit on the Eastern Suburbs school run.

[RANDLOVER]

I don't like how the centre console screen just looks stuck on, not properly built in, not bespoke.

[SpudHeadTed]

It’s a Range Rover, and like all new Land Rovers it’s very ‘capable’, but it’s only meant to go off road once a year - within warranty in case you need to call Land Rover assist. The low profile tyres are for 99.9% on road performance.

[trout1105]

It’s a Range Rover, and like all new Land Rovers it’s very ‘capable’, but it’s only meant to go off road once a year - within warranty in case you need to call Land Rover assist. The low profile tyres are for 99.9% on road performance.

I wonder how many people that buy this type of 4WD gut stuck on the beach or in the bush because of the low profile tyres fitted as stock.
This RR should be an amazing 4WD and the buyer should have the option of having decent 4WD tyres/wheels fitted when they buy it instead of having to go down the expensive/tedious path of getting aftermarket boots fitted.

[SpudHeadTed]

Land Rovers are no longer designed as bush ready vehicles. If they were they’d have the fundamentals right - high clearance on tall tyres. Todays Land Rovers are designed primarily as urban cruisers with some off road ability for weekend hipsters who want the ‘look’ of adventure.

It’s bizarre when you stop to think about how the Land Rover brand is actually destroying itself through embracing a weird elitist style over substance design philosophy and when it comes to adventure capability it’s all about electric gizmo wizardry that less than 10% of their buyers will ever use! (not to mention Land Rovers self immolation in terms of ditching its status as the originary icon of the pragmatic classless working 4x4).

So many design awards for vehicles no longer fit for purpose! It says a lot about the capitulation into hipster urbanity by both the designers and the judges!

[Vern]

Why is it no longer fit for purpose? A new range rover is just as fit as and old range rover.

[trout1105]

Why is it no longer fit for purpose? A new range rover is just as fit as and old range rover.

You can take an Old range rover pretty much anywhere, This new one wouldn't survive half an hour on the gib River road.
As a suburban run around it it just fine But ANY track that requires some clearance and traction is out of the question.

[Arapiles]

Todays Land Rovers are designed primarily as urban cruisers with some off road ability for weekend hipsters who want the ‘look’ of adventure ..... It says a lot about the capitulation into hipster urbanity by both the designers and the judges!


"Hipsters" don't buy these. Hipsters are 20-somethings with ironic beards and convoluted coffee orders. New Range Rovers are bought by people with successful private or family businesses, property developers, people in the racehorse industry, surgeons or other medical specialists, or partners in law or accounting firms who are a bit showier than their colleagues. Maybe some old money will buy them, but definitely the less flash looking versions.

Edit: and unless something's changed, it will still have almost 30cm of ground clearance which is way more than any other 4WD has as standard.

[Roverlord off road spares]

So, it is a 7 seater - in the LWB version - and the leaked photos were of the RR and not the Sport.

2022 Range Rover Adds Third-Row Option, Plug-In Hybrid to Come (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38036534/2022-range-rover-revealed/)s

Edit: this is going to be a big hit on the Eastern Suburbs school run.
never said it was a sport..it's of the flagship of the pedigree, the full size RR.

I can't imagine it would be used for any off road work, its main market will be a holder for the Victoria ''thoughbred country"
number plates and towing a horse floats and the Toorak set , where all the 4wd wizardry will never be activated
far too nice vehicle and take out in the dust and mud on the interior.

[Arapiles]

never said it was a sport..it's of the flagship of the pedigree, the full size RR.



There's another thread on the new RR where I speculated whether the shots of someone sitting in the third row were of the RR or a new RRS.

[jonesfam]

"Hipsters" don't buy these. Hipsters are 20-somethings with ironic beards and convoluted coffee orders. New Range Rovers are bought by people with successful private or family businesses, property developers, people in the racehorse industry, surgeons or other medical specialists, or partners in law or accounting firms who are a bit showier than their colleagues. Maybe some old money will buy them, but definitely the less flash looking versions.

Edit: and unless something's changed, it will still have almost 30cm of ground clearance which is way more than any other 4WD has as standard.

AND Bad Guys, don't forget the Bad Guys!

[SpudHeadTed]

3117088 (tel:3117088)[/URL]]"Hipsters" don't buy these. Hipsters are 20-somethings with ironic beards and convoluted coffee orders. New Range Rovers are bought by people with successful private or family businesses, property developers, people in the racehorse industry, surgeons or other medical specialists, or partners in law or accounting firms who are a bit showier than their colleagues. Maybe some old money will buy them, but definitely the less flash looking versions.

Edit: and unless something's changed, it will still have almost 30cm of ground clearance which is way more than any other 4WD has as standard.

Correction: Conservative outmoded elitist wannabe hipsters and gangstas. 30cm ground clearance perfect for the country estate. …Oh hang on, that’s also the target market for new Defender, Discovery, Velar.

[scarry]

Why is it no longer fit for purpose? A new range rover is just as fit as and old range rover.

They have changed the "purpose".

Its not an off road go anywhere touring wagon anymore,as the Classic was.

Would a modern RR do a Camel Trophy run like the old one?

No hope at all.Actually i doubt any late model LR vehicle could do it.

The late model RR's,are around town luxo barges for those that can afford and want one.

My opinion is, good luck to the owners,let people buy what they want.I recon the rear looks horrid as well,but obviously many others dont[tonguewink]

[Vern]

You can take an Old range rover pretty much anywhere, This new one wouldn't survive half an hour on the gib River road.
As a suburban run around it it just fine But ANY track that requires some clearance and traction is out of the question.Proof of that or just speculating like everyone else?
Perhaps ask someone who actually drives these things how capable they are.

[trout1105]

Proof of that or just speculating like everyone else?
Perhaps ask someone who actually drives these things how capable they are.

It is a proven Fact that Low profile tyres are bloody useless on a 4WD, NO "Speculation" here old mate.

[Vern]

It is a proven Fact that Low profile tyres are bloody useless on a 4WD, NO "Speculation" here old mate.Hang on, you were saying the vehicle as a whole package, not the tyres. So if theres a 19" rim variant, with a bit more side wall, its still bloody useless?
This is sounding just like when the d2, d3, d4, d5, l322, l405, defender all came out, that they are useless as 4wd's, but then people started buying them, and came to the realisation that they are extremely capable, even more so with better rubber. This place is like a broken record, around and around we go.
Now i own an irs/ifs 4wd, which is apparently useless as a 4wd, but from all reports, is sooo much more capable than its predecessor. That can't be right, it doesn't have beam axles!!
May be give it a go first or find some real world evidence before slagging it off[emoji1745]

[Saitch]

Hang on, you were saying the vehicle as a whole package, not the tyres. So if theres a 19" rim variant, with a bit more side wall, its still bloody useless?
This is sounding just like when the d2, d3, d4, d5, l322, l405, defender all came out, that they are useless as 4wd's, but then people started buying them, and came to the realisation that they are extremely capable, even more so with better rubber. This place is like a broken record, around and around we go.
Now i own an irs/ifs 4wd, which is apparently useless as a 4wd, but from all reports, is sooo much more capable than its predecessor. That can't be right, it doesn't have beam axles!!
May be give it a go first or find some real world evidence before slagging it off[emoji1745]

I tend to agree. My 75 Series Tojo tilly is good off road. My D1 was better and my current D3 even more so.
Low profile tyres aren't that flash off road, but if I happen to win a 1st Div. in Blotto, I'd think about a new Rangie with an after market wheel/tyre package.

It's all a bit like comparing sportsmen of 40 years ago to today's crop. When they break down, it's normally serious![wink11]

[trout1105]

Hang on, you were saying the vehicle as a whole package, not the tyres. So if theres a 19" rim variant, with a bit more side wall, its still bloody useless?
This is sounding just like when the d2, d3, d4, d5, l322, l405, defender all came out, that they are useless as 4wd's, but then people started buying them, and came to the realisation that they are extremely capable, even more so with better rubber. This place is like a broken record, around and around we go.
Now i own an irs/ifs 4wd, which is apparently useless as a 4wd, but from all reports, is sooo much more capable than its predecessor. That can't be right, it doesn't have beam axles!!
May be give it a go first or find some real world evidence before slagging it off[emoji1745]

I am NOT saying the vehicle itself is useless at all.
What I am saying is that fitted with those stock low profile tyres regardless of the vehicles off road capability it just won't cut the mustard.
Can you imagine driving down a heavily corrugated road with those tyres, Not only would it rattle the car to death the occupants would also need chiropractic help.

I have absolutely NO doubt that this could be an amazing off reader So why the **** doesn't JLR sell them fitted with a decent set of off road wheels/tyres so that the buyers can experience the full potential of this RR?

[Vern]

Correction: Conservative outmoded elitist wannabe hipsters and gangstas. 30cm ground clearance perfect for the country estate. …Oh hang on, that’s also the target market for new Defender, Discovery, Velar.Hmm, thats more than a y62, y61, 79 series, 100 series, 200 series, old defender, rrc, etc....[emoji849]

[Saitch]

So why the **** doesn't JLR sell them fitted with a decent set of off road wheels/tyres so that the buyers can experience the full potential of this RR?

A fair question, Trout, but you could pose that same question to 99% of 4x4 manufacturers.

[Vern]

I am NOT saying the vehicle itself is useless at all.
What I am saying is that fitted with those stock low profile tyres regardless of the vehicles off road capability it just won't cut the mustard.
Can you imagine driving down a heavily corrugated road with those tyres, Not only would it rattle the car to death the occupants would also need chiropractic help.

I have absolutely NO doubt that this could be an amazing off reader So why the **** doesn't JLR sell them fitted with a decent set of off road wheels/tyres so that the buyers can experience the full potential of this RR?Sorry, i originally replied to your comment saying it wouldn't survive half an hour on the gibb river rd, or ANY track that requires some clearance or traction. This thing pretty much has more ground clearance than any other 4wd on the market, so if it can't do it, none of the others can either.

[Arapiles]

I am NOT saying the vehicle itself is useless at all.
What I am saying is that fitted with those stock low profile tyres regardless of the vehicles off road capability it just won't cut the mustard.
Can you imagine driving down a heavily corrugated road with those tyres, Not only would it rattle the car to death the occupants would also need chiropractic help.

I have absolutely NO doubt that this could be an amazing off reader So why the **** doesn't JLR sell them fitted with a decent set of off road wheels/tyres so that the buyers can experience the full potential of this RR?

Actually, Drive ran a standard Range Rover, the Y62, an LC 200 and a Merc GLS across the Simpson Desert a couple of years ago: in their view the Range Rover was clearly the best vehicle, in terms of comfort, ability and fuel economy. The only issue was that it blew a shock absorber at the end - but then so did all of the Merc G Pros that went down the Canning Stock Route around that time.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/outback-comparison-review-range-rover-v-mercedes-v-toyota-v-nissan-20130815-2s03i/

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/range-rover-vogue-tdv6-outback-road-test-20130815-2s0i5/

19 or 20 inch tyres may not be ideal in terms of side wall when you want to drop the tyre pressures but the overall diameter is the same whether you're running 17, 18, 19 or 20 inch wheels (presuming that you don't try and increase that diameter, but then you run up against clearance issues under the bodywork). Given that the Range Rover has EAS I wouldn't've thought that the comfort would be much affected by the tyre profiles.

[Arapiles]

Sorry, i originally replied to your comment saying it wouldn't survive half an hour on the gibb river rd, or ANY track that requires some clearance or traction. This thing pretty much has more ground clearance than any other 4wd on the market, so if it can't do it, none of the others can either.

True - I was watching a CarAdvice video where they took a Y62 up some rough tracks in the Alps and it bottomed out on a rock step - there's no doubt in my mind that my soccer-Mum D4 would've cleared that step once I'd put the suspension to full height. I said that in the comments section and quite a few people conceded that would've been the case.

[Arapiles]

They have changed the "purpose".

Its not an off road go anywhere touring wagon anymore,as the Classic was.

Would a modern RR do a Camel Trophy run like the old one?

No hope at all.Actually i doubt any late model LR vehicle could do it.

The late model RR's,are around town luxo barges for those that can afford and want one.

My opinion is, good luck to the owners,let people buy what they want.I recon the rear looks horrid as well,but obviously many others dont[tonguewink]


Seems to have done pretty well in the Simpson for a "luxo barge":


https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/range-rover-vogue-tdv6-outback-road-test-20130815-2s0i5/

[Disco-tastic]

Hmmmm. This thread is giving me deja vu...

[scarry]

Seems to have done pretty well in the Simpson for a "luxo barge":


https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/range-rover-vogue-tdv6-outback-road-test-20130815-2s0i5/

Did you actually read the article?

Its a 2013 article,i thought we were talking about the latest model?

And i quote from the article,

"But the small fuel tank and niggling issue we experienced mean it’s not as well suited as some for those looking to do the big trip in seriously isolated areas"

I rest my case.......

I presume the latest model would be no different.

Niggling issues are still the norm,as would be a smallish fuel tank no doubt.

Sure the vehicle will be very capable,we all know that.Short trip up a rocky slope,along the beach,through some soft sand,through a muddy track,no issues.

But as a touring vehicle,getting hammered on corrugations,through water crossings with water over the bonnet,it wont cut it,even with a good set of off road high load rated tyres,if they are available in the size needed.

[Vern]

L405, L460, do you think there will be that great a difference? I think Arapiles was referring to modern range rovers in general.

[Arapiles]

Did you actually read the article?

Its a 2013 article,i thought we were talking about the latest model?

Yes, I read the article - funny that, since I knew what it said and moreover recalled it from when I read it years ago. And I note that it's a review of the L405, which is the current Range Rover given that the new one isn't on the streets yet.

There'd be no difference in ability between the 4th gen car and the 5th gen, and like the new one people have said ad nauseam that the current one was just a Toorak tractor - they're not, they're very capable vehicles. It's a different question as to whether the owners want to thrash them offroad, but if you do it will be in comfort.


But as a touring vehicle,getting hammered on corrugations,through water crossings with water over the bonnet,it wont cut it,even with a good set of off road high load rated tyres,if they are available in the size needed.

Did you read the article? Did you note the bit about 900mm wading? Did you see the photos of them taking it through water? Also, how do you think that they would have got to the Simpson without driving on corrugated roads? Did you note the bit about how comfortable it was on the chopped up tracks in the Simpson?

Out of curiosity what vehicle does meet your standards as a touring vehicle?

[scarry]

There'd be no difference in ability between the 4th gen car and the 5th gen.

At a guess i recon there would have been improvements in off road ability,and in other areas over the years of the L405.

As there was in D4, traction control and TR were improved quite considerably over the model run.

Same as Puma Defender,again,TC was greatly improved in the later years of the model run.

[trout1105]

A fair question, Trout, but you could pose that same question to 99% of 4x4 manufacturers.

Agreed But it usually only involves changing the tyres over and not having to replace the wheels as well.
Even the old D2's came with the choice of 18 or 16 inch wheels So I can't see why JLR can't offer the same sort of wheel options on it's newer offerings.

[ramblingboy42]

what is it with low profile tyres?

they do nothing to enhance the driving experience.

F1 , Indy , Rally Cars , Drag Racers , I could go on...even go karts....all use high aspect ratio tyres.

I will never use low profile tyres.

[trout1105]

what is it with low profile tyres?

they do nothing to enhance the driving experience.

F1 , Indy , Rally Cars , Drag Racers , I could go on...even go karts....all use high aspect ratio tyres.

I will never use low profile tyres.

They are about as useful as tits on a bull But the posers love em.

[RANDLOVER]

what is it with low profile tyres?

they do nothing to enhance the driving experience.

F1 , Indy , Rally Cars , Drag Racers , I could go on...even go karts....all use high aspect ratio tyres.

I will never use low profile tyres.


They are about as useful as tits on a bull But the posers love em.

You seem to be confusing low profile as in keeping a low profile (going unnoticed) with low aspect ratio tyres for posers. Although low profile make a big difference if you like high cornering speeds. Generally speaking wider tyres are the easiest, cheapest performance modification for any vehicle mechanically.

[RANDLOVER]

L405, L460, do you think there will be that great a difference? I think Arapiles was referring to modern range rovers in general.

I think they have improved the new Rangie's off road ability, as it now has active rear steering at low speeds by up to 7 degrees IIRC. Which helps decrease the turning circle in tight, tricky stuff.

[scarry]

I think they have improved the new Rangie's off road ability, as it now has active rear steering at low speeds by up to 7 degrees IIRC. Which helps decrease the turning circle in tight, tricky stuff.

They could have just used Turn Assist that another brand has been using for decades.[bighmmm]

The RR system is probably better in some ways,but will be 100% more complicated,and something else to fail.
And i wonder how many customers would actually use it?

More tech for techs sake?

[SpudHeadTed]

Hmm, thats more than a y62, y61, 79 series, 100 series, 200 series, old defender, rrc, etc....[emoji849]

My Defender has more than 30cm clearance stock on 235/85R16s. I just measured it.

[SpudHeadTed]

Actually, Drive ran a standard Range Rover, the Y62, an LC 200 and a Merc GLS across the Simpson Desert a couple of years ago: in their view the Range Rover was clearly the best vehicle, in terms of comfort, ability and fuel economy. The only issue was that it blew a shock absorber at the end - but then so did all of the Merc G Pros that went down the Canning Stock Route around that time.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/outback-comparison-review-range-rover-v-mercedes-v-toyota-v-nissan-20130815-2s03i/

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/range-rover-vogue-tdv6-outback-road-test-20130815-2s0i5/

19 or 20 inch tyres may not be ideal in terms of side wall when you want to drop the tyre pressures but the overall diameter is the same whether you're running 17, 18, 19 or 20 inch wheels (presuming that you don't try and increase that diameter, but then you run up against clearance issues under the bodywork). Given that the Range Rover has EAS I wouldn't've thought that the comfort would be much affected by the tyre profiles.

All four of those are luxury SUVs, not long term bush vehicles. The Tojo would come closest, but even 200’s and now 300’s are built primarily for urban duties. Arguably that’s always been Range Rover’s market/purpose, which has now become Land Rovers sole market.

Id choose the Tojo 200 over a Range Rover for long term bush reliability any day

But I’d choose a real (pre 2016) Defender before any of them.

[Vern]

My Defender has more than 30cm clearance stock on 235/85R16s. I just measured it.Under the diff pumpkin?? Stats say 215mm.

[scarry]

Under the diff pumpkin??

Yep,with Portals[wink11]

[RANDLOVER]

They could have just used Turn Assist that another brand has been using for decades.[bighmmm]

The RR system is probably better in some ways,but will be 100% more complicated,and something else to fail.
And i wonder how many customers would actually use it?

More tech for techs sake?

Does "Turn Assist" alter the maximum angle of the wheels or the steering ratio i.e. the number of turns lock to lock or the amount of steering power assistance, in a Toyo?

[scarry]

Does "Turn Assist" alter the maximum angle of the wheels or the steering ratio i.e. the number of turns lock to lock or the amount of steering power assistance, in a Toyo?

Have a look on U tube,it will explain all.Crude and simple way of doing it,in my opinion,but it works.

[V8Ian]

Cavil comments are easier than admitting there's no way one could afford a new vehicle.

[3toes]

All the brands now design for city use first and off road second. None of the current crop for any brand are as good for off road touring as the previous model. This is fact not speculating. The volume sales which keep these brands alive are to people who will never even drive on an unsurfaced road.

Even Toyota has said that there will not be a replacement for the current troopie. It will die when either the already decreasing volumes finally fall too low or legislation requires changes that the low volumes profits cannot adsorb. No doubt this was a big part of why the Defender replacement was not a Defender

[SpudHeadTed]

We are on the verge of the age of EV cyber trucks where global satellite connectivity presumes global vehicle charging and global EV recovery insurance. The days of pragmatic, egalitarian, independent self-supported remote vehicle travel as we know it are almost over.

We have entered what will be seen in the future as the obsolete cross-over era when ICE vehicles became the generic urban monotype SUV designed not for freedom, but for conforming to the limitations imposed by ICE/EV cross over taxes, EV charging network taxes, fossil fuel restrictions, corporate and government regulation.

Until solar glass and vehicle roof panels are able to independently and adequately charge the new generations of EV, new vehicles in the second quarter of the 21st century will be tethered to the EV charging grid. Fossil fuels will be too expensive to buy.

This ‘new’ Range Rover will be seen as the last of the dinosaurs, hampered by the strangely over complicated combination of fossil fuel burning mechanical lubricity and fragile digital technology combining to provide the last gasp of old tech lumbering along under the weight of impending change.

Between now and sometime between 2030 and half way through the 21st century, any new vehicle that is not an EV will have a very short half-life. Within ten years, this last of the ICE dinosaurs will be worth nothing without a conversion to an electric motor at all four wheels and a solar charging skin. Otherwise it’s dollar value will be scrap.

After 2030 independent travel will be difficult and require ICE exemptions, or huge towable battery packs. The clearance under the pumpkin will be irrelevant.

But there is something more awesome and more independent coming…

By 2050 there won’t even be a network of EV charging points because all vehicles will be truly autonomous, self powered, interdisciplinary, variable ride height cyber vehicles. EVs of that time will be the most reliable (few moving parts), capable, versatile and independent vehicles we’ve ever seen. …unfortunately most of us dinosaurs won’t be alive to drive one. Until then we need to make the most of the bush-ability travel freedoms we have.

The new Range Rover is a dinosaur and was extinct before it was born - four wheel steering and 30cm ground clearance or not. I won’t ever be buying another new ICE car.

[Vern]

So your defender does only have 215mm of ground clearance?






[emoji6][emoji1]

[SpudHeadTed]

So your defender does only have 215mm of ground clearance?






[emoji6][emoji1]

Pumpkin 25cm - but good old live axles mean it moves up and down with the TALL tyres on my wheels. 30cm under the Range Rover sump with no live axle protection is an accident waiting to happen.

[Vern]

Hmm strange, i run larger tyres and come in at 245mm. Anyway, they are pretty well protected under there that they shouldn't rely on diffs to protect them, and i must say with my ifs/irs 4wd, its great to not have to plough my way up tracks like i do with my beam axle landy.

[Tombie]

You can take an Old range rover pretty much anywhere, This new one wouldn't survive half an hour on the gib River road.
As a suburban run around it it just fine But ANY track that requires some clearance and traction is out of the question.

It has clearance - you lift it by selecting the mode.

Traction is just rubber - easy to change - we do on most vehicles.

With the suspension it’s got, it’s less likely to rattle loose on the Gibb than most other brands.

I’ve seen the result of a Prado on the Gibb - dash had broken free….

[Tombie]

It is a proven Fact that Low profile tyres are bloody useless on a 4WD, NO "Speculation" here old mate.

I remember the ruckus when the D2 came out with its low profile tyres [emoji41]

Then the D3 on 17s. Oh the horror.
Then the 18s arrived… arrrghhh

Plenty out there getting it done.

[SpudHeadTed]

Yup plenty have driven all over in Ford or Holden wagon or ute too prior to 4x4s being the conveyance dujour. So really it doesn’t matter what you drive, actually getting out there is what counts.

[V8Ian]

We are on the verge of the age of EV cyber trucks where global satellite connectivity presumes global vehicle charging and global EV recovery insurance. The days of pragmatic, egalitarian, independent self-supported remote vehicle travel as we know it are almost over.

We have entered what will be seen in the future as the obsolete cross-over era when ICE vehicles became the generic urban monotype SUV designed not for freedom, but for conforming to the limitations imposed by ICE/EV cross over taxes, EV charging network taxes, fossil fuel restrictions, corporate and government regulation.

Until solar glass and vehicle roof panels are able to independently and adequately charge the new generations of EV, new vehicles in the second quarter of the 21st century will be tethered to the EV charging grid. Fossil fuels will be too expensive to buy.

This ‘new’ Range Rover will be seen as the last of the dinosaurs, hampered by the strangely over complicated combination of fossil fuel burning mechanical lubricity and fragile digital technology combining to provide the last gasp of old tech lumbering along under the weight of impending change.

Between now and sometime between 2030 and half way through the 21st century, any new vehicle that is not an EV will have a very short half-life. Within ten years, this last of the ICE dinosaurs will be worth nothing without a conversion to an electric motor at all four wheels and a solar charging skin. Otherwise it’s dollar value will be scrap.

After 2030 independent travel will be difficult and require ICE exemptions, or huge towable battery packs. The clearance under the pumpkin will be irrelevant.

But there is something more awesome and more independent coming…

By 2050 there won’t even be a network of EV charging points because all vehicles will be truly autonomous, self powered, interdisciplinary, variable ride height cyber vehicles. EVs of that time will be the most reliable (few moving parts), capable, versatile and independent vehicles we’ve ever seen. …unfortunately most of us dinosaurs won’t be alive to drive one. Until then we need to make the most of the bush-ability travel freedoms we have.

The new Range Rover is a dinosaur and was extinct before it was born - four wheel steering and 30cm ground clearance or not. I won’t ever be buying another new ICE car.
You're a bundle of joy, aren't you? (Rhetorical) [biggrin]

[Tombie]

We are on the verge of the age of EV cyber trucks where global satellite connectivity presumes global vehicle charging and global EV recovery insurance. The days of pragmatic, egalitarian, independent self-supported remote vehicle travel as we know it are almost over.

We have entered what will be seen in the future as the obsolete cross-over era when ICE vehicles became the generic urban monotype SUV designed not for freedom, but for conforming to the limitations imposed by ICE/EV cross over taxes, EV charging network taxes, fossil fuel restrictions, corporate and government regulation.

Until solar glass and vehicle roof panels are able to independently and adequately charge the new generations of EV, new vehicles in the second quarter of the 21st century will be tethered to the EV charging grid. Fossil fuels will be too expensive to buy.

This ‘new’ Range Rover will be seen as the last of the dinosaurs, hampered by the strangely over complicated combination of fossil fuel burning mechanical lubricity and fragile digital technology combining to provide the last gasp of old tech lumbering along under the weight of impending change.

Between now and sometime between 2030 and half way through the 21st century, any new vehicle that is not an EV will have a very short half-life. Within ten years, this last of the ICE dinosaurs will be worth nothing without a conversion to an electric motor at all four wheels and a solar charging skin. Otherwise it’s dollar value will be scrap.

After 2030 independent travel will be difficult and require ICE exemptions, or huge towable battery packs. The clearance under the pumpkin will be irrelevant.

But there is something more awesome and more independent coming…

By 2050 there won’t even be a network of EV charging points because all vehicles will be truly autonomous, self powered, interdisciplinary, variable ride height cyber vehicles. EVs of that time will be the most reliable (few moving parts), capable, versatile and independent vehicles we’ve ever seen. …unfortunately most of us dinosaurs won’t be alive to drive one. Until then we need to make the most of the bush-ability travel freedoms we have.

The new Range Rover is a dinosaur and was extinct before it was born - four wheel steering and 30cm ground clearance or not. I won’t ever be buying another new ICE car.

So what you’re saying is yet another of our freedoms and pastimes is about to be forcibly taken away [emoji56]

[Arapiles]

Yup plenty have driven all over in Ford or Holden wagon or ute too prior to 4x4s being the conveyance dujour. So really it doesn’t matter what you drive, actually getting out there is what counts.


Yes - my 90 year old mother has spent most of her life driving on really rough, crap roads in a series of Holdens.

My first trip into the Little Desert was in my Hillman Minx .... also took it to the snow. It had higher profile tyres and more ground clearance than most SUVs these days.

[Saitch]

Austin 7 rim size 19" x 3.5"


https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/travel/travel-destinations/2017/01/drive-tropical-north-queensland-cape-york/

[3toes]

Never told my Holden 1 tonner that it was not a 4x4 and it happily went a lot of places that some more knowledgeable people said were 4x4 only

Friend drive a Valiant Ute to the top of Cape York and back via the telegraph track yet look how people kit out their vehicles today

[scarry]

Friend drive a Valiant Ute to the top of Cape York and back via the telegraph track yet look how people kit out their vehicles today

One of my Brothers did that trip in a VW beetle,about 35yrs ago.The roads were shocking in those days.

[SpudHeadTed]

So what you’re saying is yet another of our freedoms and pastimes is about to be forcibly taken away [emoji56]

Which freedoms have been taken from you Tombie?

[Arapiles]

One of my Brothers did that trip in a VW beetle,about 35yrs ago.The roads were shocking in those days.

A friend took her Datsun 120Y to the Flinders Ranges ....

[Arapiles]

Yes - my 90 year old mother has spent most of her life driving on really rough, crap roads in a series of Holdens.

My first trip into the Little Desert was in my Hillman Minx .... also took it to the snow. It had higher profile tyres and more ground clearance than most SUVs these days.


Back in the 80s the tracks in the Little Desert were compacted sand: the leaf litter and rain produced a firm crust that you could safely drive on with road tyres. It was when the 4WDs with overinflated tyres and aggressive treads got in there that the crust got ripped up and the tracks became sandier.

[Saitch]

A deceased mate of mine, a professional photographer, took his Torana Sunbird hatchback (with the Starfire engine) up Big Red, for a photo shoot.

[Arapiles]

Austin 7 rim size 19" x 3.5"


Hillman Minx is apparently 165/80R13.

Ground clearance is 152mm.

Edit: .... which is 2mm more than a Mazda CX5 ....

[Arapiles]

.

But there is something more awesome and more independent coming…

By 2050 there won’t even be a network of EV charging points because all vehicles will be truly autonomous, self powered, interdisciplinary, variable ride height cyber vehicles. EVs of that time will be the most reliable (few moving parts), capable, versatile and independent vehicles we’ve ever seen.


Umm .... how will they be self-powered? Will they be nuclear?

[V8Ian]

Yes - my 90 year old mother has spent most of her life driving on really rough, crap roads in a series of Holdens.

My first trip into the Little Desert was in my Hillman Minx .... also took it to the snow. It had higher profile tyres and more ground clearance than most SUVs these days.


Never told my Holden 1 tonner that it was not a 4x4 and it happily went a lot of places that some more knowledgeable people said were 4x4 only

Friend drive a Valiant Ute to the top of Cape York and back via the telegraph track yet look how people kit out their vehicles today


One of my Brothers did that trip in a VW beetle,about 35yrs ago.The roads were shocking in those days.


A friend took her Datsun 120Y to the Flinders Ranges ....
All noble and brave adventures, but I can top each of them. I once drove a Land Cruiser! [tonguewink]

[Saitch]

Umm .... how will they be self-powered? Will they be nuclear?

174838

[trout1105]

Back in the 80s the tracks in the Little Desert were compacted sand: the leaf litter and rain produced a firm crust that you could safely drive on with road tyres. It was when the 4WDs with overinflated tyres and aggressive treads got in there that the crust got ripped up and the tracks became sandier.

Competent 4WD operators tend not to get much wheelspin when offloading.
The 40psi brigade and the ah crap I forgot to engage 4WD mob tend to do most of the damage.

[scarry]

All noble and brave adventures, but I can top each of them. I once drove a Land Cruiser! [tonguewink]

Someone talked me into going for a spin in one last weekend....:rolleyes:

The water was bloody deep on that Condamine track[bighmmm][biggrin]

[3toes]

All noble and brave adventures, but I can top each of them. I once drove a Land Cruiser! [tonguewink]

Yes I drove a 1974 Landcruiser troopie and mate had the Valiant ute which we laughed but it did not break down

Toyota did at least 6 springs, the rear diff and the radiator that I can remember. Became very proficient at changing and jury rigging springs. This was mid eighties

Winch was also a failure when we needed it. Had been serviced before we left. Only after the cable had been run out when we were at the bottom of a creek with a wet grass covered slope did we find out they had not put the pto drive back in when reinstalling it. Ended up wrapping the cable around the bull bar as was too painful to wind it back in manually

Good fun times

[3toes]

And all this has what to do with the new Range Rover?

[AK83]

.....
This RR should be an amazing 4WD and the buyer should have the option of having decent 4WD tyres/wheels fitted when they buy it instead of having to go down the expensive/tedious path of getting aftermarket boots fitted.

My opinion is that this perspective doesn't take into account the notion of what's "expensive" or "tedious"

If an owner really wanted to go down that path, and you are referring to a $200K vehicle here .. what's $5 or $10 K or a set of wheels/tyres to this type of owner?
To you and I .... it's going to seem expensive, but to the person that just spent $200K .. wheel/tyre expense usually equates to not much.

The tedium of modding a vehicle! .. really?
I'm going through the tedium of undoing many of the idiotic mods a previous owner has hacked on my current D2 .. and loving every minute of it.

To rectify your requirement of more appropriate tyres ... the tedium equates to taking said low profile tyred vehicle to a local store and getting some commoner to do the work .. they probably organised the chauffeur to do it, or collect them and return them to their chateau too.

I imagine that Landrover never approached you in their surveys to ask what customers wanted from their vehicle range.

[SpudHeadTed]

My opinion is that this perspective doesn't take into account the notion of what's "expensive" or "tedious"

If an owner really wanted to go down that path, and you are referring to a $200K vehicle here .. what's $5 or $10 K or a set of wheels/tyres to this type of owner?
To you and I .... it's going to seem expensive, but to the person that just spent $200K .. wheel/tyre expense usually equates to not much.

The tedium of modding a vehicle! .. really?
I'm going through the tedium of undoing many of the idiotic mods a previous owner has hacked on my current D2 .. and loving every minute of it.

To rectify your requirement of more appropriate tyres ... the tedium equates to taking said low profile tyred vehicle to a local store and getting some commoner to do the work .. they probably organised the chauffeur to do it, or collect them and return them to their chateau too.

I imagine that Landrover never approached you in their surveys to ask what customers wanted from their vehicle range.

Except that 235/85R16s won’t fit on a new Range Rover. So worse than tedium, it would be impossible to fit bush ready rubber. Range Rover size wheels and tyres are designed for on road grip at high speeds over massive brakes. Try getting a 275/45R21 in Bourke.

[SpudHeadTed]

Umm .... how will they be self-powered? Will they be nuclear?

Solar skin.

[scarry]

My opinion is that this perspective doesn't take into account the notion of what's "expensive" or "tedious"

If an owner really wanted to go down that path, and you are referring to a $200K vehicle here .. what's $5 or $10 K or a set of wheels/tyres to this type of owner?
To you and I .... it's going to seem expensive, but to the person that just spent $200K .. wheel/tyre expense usually equates to not much.

The tedium of modding a vehicle! .. really?
I'm going through the tedium of undoing many of the idiotic mods a previous owner has hacked on my current D2 .. and loving every minute of it.

To rectify your requirement of more appropriate tyres ... the tedium equates to taking said low profile tyred vehicle to a local store and getting some commoner to do the work .. they probably organised the chauffeur to do it, or collect them and return them to their chateau too.

I imagine that Landrover never approached you in their surveys to ask what customers wanted from their vehicle range.

It isn’t a $200K vehicle,it’s a $300K vehicle…..

[V8Ian]

Except that 235/85R16s won’t fit on a new Range Rover. So worse than tedium, it would be impossible to fit bush ready rubber. Range Rover size wheels and tyres are designed for on road grip at high speeds over massive brakes. Try getting a 275/45R21 in Bourke.
The same conversation was had when manufacturers strayed from 6.50 x16, now the most common size four wheel drive tyre is 265/65 x 17. Times change and technology moves on.

[ramblingboy42]

I dont really think anyone who buys one will be taking it bush.

Capable? certainly.

I am still getting red dirt out of the nooks and crannies from spending a day in the mud in my Ranger near Lake Gairdner over a year ago....

Wouldn't want that in your $300k Rangie would you?

[Tombie]

I dont really think anyone who buys one will be taking it bush.

Capable? certainly.

I am still getting red dirt out of the nooks and crannies from spending a day in the mud in my Ranger near Lake Gairdner over a year ago....

Wouldn't want that in your $300k Rangie would you?

I’d like to have that problem to deal with [emoji41]

[trout1105]

I’d like to have that problem to deal with [emoji41]

300k would buy me a rather nice boat[bigwhistle]

[SpudHeadTed]

I dont really think anyone who buys one will be taking it bush.

Capable? certainly.

I am still getting red dirt out of the nooks and crannies from spending a day in the mud in my Ranger near Lake Gairdner over a year ago....

Wouldn't want that in your $300k Rangie would you?

That red dirt never comes out! Defenders love it! All part of the patina. [bigwhistle]

[350RRC]

It isn’t a $200K vehicle,it’s a $300K vehicle…..

So over the service life it's about a dollar a km, plus fuel, plus servicing, plus rego and insurance.

[scarry]

So over the service life it's about a dollar a km, plus fuel, plus servicing, plus rego and insurance.

Or if you pick one up at 5yrs old,for say $120K,its great value,that is if one can DIY repairs and servicing.[biggrin]

And the poor bloke that bought it new has done $180K cold,although it was probably a tax deduction in one way or the other,which usually works out as just deferring the tax anyway.[bigsad]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

You can take an Old range rover pretty much anywhere, This new one wouldn't survive half an hour on the gib River road.
As a suburban run around it it just fine But ANY track that requires some clearance and traction is out of the question.

Traction? really? Old classics have been out tractioned by newer Lr's for years
As for clearance,, state the diff clearance on a classic and the new RR Please... [wink11]