Patience is a virtue ..... they reckon

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Today I received feedback from my supervisory team for my PhD on my thesis' 606 word long abstract. . That is roughly three pages and three lines at double space line setting. The abstract was the last thing that I had to work on. No more writing up - all the content is done.

It has taken 84 days or 12 weeks to receive feedback.

I had to add in three commas and delete the word "in" and substitute it with the word "from".

Is there an emoji for wanting to scream until your head falls off? I have gone beyond the bashing my head against the brick wall emoji. Arggghhhhhhh

Changes have been made to the thesis... within minutes of receiving the feedback.

Well that is it - Draft III . Off to find a university approved proof-reader....

Kind regards
Lionel

[cripesamighty]

As several of my friends have said to me over the years, there is a reason a PhD is known colloquially as ‘Permanent Head Damage’. Good luck!

[Lionelgee]

As several of my friends have said to me over the years, there is a reason a PhD is known colloquially as ‘Permanent Head Damage’. Good luck!


hello Cripes,

Thanks for the reply...

Supervisors thanked for their feedback. Initial enquiry sent to recommended proofreader, university research admin office informed. Equals all that I can do at this present moment of time.

Another interpretation is Painful, hard and Difficult...

Oh - I forgot something. As each stage of the thesis has been ticked off the celebratory playing of the following song - volume very loud.... Queen - Another One Bites the Dust (Official Video) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE)
Kind regards
Lionel

[windsock]

It is a Doctorate in Philosophy and if you are not in a philosophical mood by now... [bigrolf]

Well done Lionel. I wish you well in the examination stage. What is the process of examination and thesis defence in your institution?

[Lionelgee]

It is a Doctorate in Philosophy and if you are not in a philosophical mood by now... [bigrolf]

Well done Lionel. I wish you well in the examination stage. What is the process of examination and thesis defence in your institution?

Hello WIndsock,

The next step in the process is to engage a professional, university approved proofreader. After that make the necessary changes via the proofreader. Send the corrected version off to the supervisory team. They give the thesis the tick. Off it goes to the Research Office. A pool of five or so possible examiners is contacted in Secret Squirrel mode. Three of these examiners are selected - also Secret Squirrel - to examine the thesis. I am never supposed to know who the examiners were. The examiners give one of three results: 1) every thing is fine - approved; 2) make the following recommended changes = conditional acceptance - given so many weeks to make the changes; 3) the whole document is a total crock - bugger off. Or words to that effect.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Tote]

One of my colleagues is now a Doctor of cloud... your experience sounds very similar to his - months going by to get feedback on his thesis. Hang in there....

Regards,
Tote

[350RRC]

In a certain mythical state 'ethics' are an interesting 'qualification' one might need to study, be examined on and acquire certification to go about handling, measuring, sexing and tagging of something like a fish or a lobster or a crab or a worm.

The ethics 'group' can only consider a research application at one of their occasional meetings when the whole committee is present.

In the basic ethics 101 online quiz (multiple choice) there is a question about when ethics are not required............... dealing with invertebrates is one possible answer and dealing with decapods is another.

There is only one right answer, but decapods are invertebrates.


There are times in life when one just has to play someone else's game.

DL

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Just a quick update. The past 24 hours have been busy. I contacted the recommended proof-reader. They contacted me back and said they were available. Quotation for proof-reading generated as per university guidelines. Quotation sent to university - university approved expenditure. Proof-reader sent thesis. Proof-reader stated that they will be starting on the thesis this afternoon!!! Things are happening! Onwards and upwards.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Well, the things they do not seem to teach you at university! This apparently includes how to generate a "clean" copy of the thesis so it can be sent to proof-readers. As in, a document that does not show any Review > Track Changes > or reviewer's Comments. I thought that by going to Review > All Markup > "Original" or by selecting "No Markup" that the options formed a permanent change.

It turns out that while the document appears to be without Tracked Changes or Comments this change is not "Saved". So when you send a saved copy to the proof-reader they get a full blown Tracked Changes and All Comments visible version.

So after receiving the feedback this morning that I had sent yet another "unclean" version of the thesis to the proof-reader - I hit the internet and wound up on YouTube.

According to the Nuts and Bolts YouTube video I had to go into the Word "File" function about four layers of drop-down options to get to a place that showed Comments, Revisions, and Versions ..... Remove all. The Nuts and Bolt YouTube clip is accessible 26 November 2021 from, How to REMOVE and HIDE comments in Word (w/ Shortcuts) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpzLsXAnl5Q).

Third time was the charm - the proof-reader now has a "Clean" document they can work on - at last! Argghhhhhhhhhhh!

Kind regards
Lionel

[austastar]

Hi,
In days of yore, that would mean a retype on a manual tripewriter (along with inevitable typos) just for fun and giggles.
Cheers

[Lionelgee]

Hi,
In days of yore, that would mean a retype on a manual tripewriter (along with inevitable typos) just for fun and giggles.
Cheers

Hello Austastar,

In days of yore, they used Corel WordPerfect that was so much more user-friendly than the Microsoft program. I used to use a Royal manual typewriter some years prior to that. It was the era of "Liquid Paper" or "Correction Tape" a quick type-over and a sneaky photocopy of the corrected page hid all manner of sins!

Kind regards
Lionel

[Saitch]

When my long suffering wife did one of her degrees, after submitting a paper for examination, her examiner contacted her and confessed that my wife knew more about the subject than the examiner.[wink11]

[V8Ian]

When all this is over, do you get to go to schoolie's, Lionel? [wink11]

[3toes]

Getting rid of track changes is a black art. I have known people who use the program day in day out who cannot do it and present documents the same as you did

Can be an interesting read when is from a client

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

A quick update, I just sent a fully proof-read copy of my thesis to my Principal Supervisors for their perusal. This perusal stage represents the last opportunity for anyone to make suggestions for possible amendments before the thesis is submitted for examination.

It took 10 consecutive days ranging from 9:00 am to 12:00 am, with a couple of 2:00 ams and a 4:00 am thrown into the mix. I had a couple of days off and the final push was from 8:30 am to 11:15 pm. This marked the 'send' button being pressed and a couple of copies of the tome being sent to Principal Supervisor One and Principal Supervisor Two.

I am now off to bed. Tomorrow will include tinkering with Land Rovers and ride-on lawn mowers.... weeeeee.

Now it is time to celebrate reaching a thesis milestone... Youtube ... Queen... Another One Bites the Dust...

Kind regards
Lionel

[Tins]

OK, well done. However, are you ever going to enlighten us as to what your PHD will be in? Just askin'.

[Lionelgee]

OK, well done. However, are you ever going to enlighten us as to what your PHD will be in? Just askin'.

Hello Tins,

Since you asked...

Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life: Towards a prototypical approach

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

I sent the thesis to the Principal Supervisors last night while it had a known bug in it. The labels for the appendices kept appearing in the Table of Contents. This is a place where such labels should not appear. I have been wracking my brain trying to solve this problem for over a week.

I had followed all the online suggestions about making a separate style and labelling it "Appendix". I had linked it to a Level 5 heading after making sure no other Level 5 headings were used within the whole document. I then went to the References > Table of Contents > block text from appearing in ToC and selected Level 5. This should effectively put a fence of exclusion around each and every Level 5 linked content. Well for some strange reason the ToC jumped the fence and corralled all the labels.

After a decent sleep last night I had a bit of a revelation. Since the appendices are located after a continuous section break they are isolated at the end of the document. There is no form of page numbering after the appendices to effect the rest of the document.

I opened a new blank document, hit Enter a couple of times and put in a hard page break giving me two blank pages. I returned to the main thesis and highlighted and cut all the appendices. These were pasted into page 2 of the second document. I saved the thesis. I updated the ToC and

No appendices labels appeared - hooray!

Now despite Word being able to generate a List of Figures or a List of Tables it does not let you select a List of Appendices. On the second document I used Word's insidious and recalcitrant ability to find appendices labels and I generated my own List of Appendices content.

I cut and pasted all the appendices back into the thesis. I cut and pasted a modified version of the List of Appendices under a previously recognised label in the main ToC. I did not regenerate the main ToC. I pressed save. Problems solved. The supervisory team now has a 100 percent clean document free of lurking issues. Thank Christ!

Kind regards
Lionel

[jonesfam]

Hello Tins,

Since you asked...

Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life: Towards a prototypical approach

Kind regards
Lionel

What?

[Tins]

Hello Tins,

Since you asked...

Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life: Towards a prototypical approach

Kind regards
Lionel

That's a mouthful.

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Well back in 1959 Erving Goffman, who was a Sociologist, wrote what was at the time considered to be a ground-breaking book The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life.

After interviewing a number of individuals with Autism I established what their representations of Self were - from how they described their reactions to 18 different situations or scenarios. These were open-ended question stems such as, when I feel stress building up inside me, I ...

As my study relates to Autism, these descriptions were 'representations' of Autism from their everyday perspectives. So that ticks off the "Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life" bit before the colon.

Now for the ... Towards a prototypical approach

'Towards' suggests I was trialling something new out and the 'approach' part refers the direction along the path I took. However, it was not just any approach it was a specific one that relates to 'prototypes'

Prototypes are based off Wittgenstein's earlier work Philosophical Investigations (1953 - translation into English) into categorisation = family resemblance. Rosch (1978, p. 579) categorisation where if something was 'prototypical' it meant the best example or best description of some category. For example, if someone asked you what your best example of what a fruit is most people surveyed - who were in the Northern Hemisphere said ... "Orange' where the poorest example of a piece of fruit to them was an olive. It is what image that first appears in your mind, in the quickest amount of time.

The most prototypic representation of furniture was chair and poorest representation of a piece of furniture was telephone - you know when they used to be fixed to a wall, and as Blonde sang you could be "hanging by the telephone" In the category. The most prototypic or best example of a weapon is a gun and the poorest example is a screwdriver. .

By using a prototypic process I was taking a snapshot of what the best fit examples of each scenario/situation was with the life of an individual with Autism. So I was able to identify what their manifestations of Stress and Anxiety within different situation looked like.

After Rosch (1978) there was a bloke called Horowitz (1981) who decided that the best way to present different representations of what a 'lonely' person looked like was to construct an image made of different sized rectangles. The smaller the box the most potent or best example of a certain characteristic was. The wider the rectangular box the least potent of poorer the example was. In the case of a Lonely person, Horowitz (1981, p. 13) the most prototypic example was 'feeling isolated' followed by 'feels excluded from activities, not part of a group' . Where the poorest example to describe a lonely person was 'is quiet reserved and introspective'.

I formed a number of these graphic prototypes to depict the best examples of different manifestations or representations of Autism.

Put it all together and you get ...

Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life: Towards a prototypical approach

The title as such is self-explanatory

See, 'simples'

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Hello All,

Well back in 1959 Erving Goffman, who was a Sociologist, wrote what was at the time considered to be a ground-breaking book The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life.

After interviewing a number of individuals with Autism I established what their representations of Self were - from how they described their reactions to 18 different situations or scenarios. These were open-ended question stems such as, when I feel stress building up inside me, I ...

As my study relates to Autism, these descriptions were 'representations' of Autism from their everyday perspectives. So that ticks off the "Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life" bit before the colon.

Now for the ... Towards a prototypical approach

'Towards' suggests I was trialling something new out and the 'approach' part refers the direction along the path I took. However, it was not just any approach it was a specific one that relates to 'prototypes'

Prototypes are based off Wittgenstein's earlier work Philosophical Investigations (1953 - translation into English) into categorisation = family resemblance. Rosch (1978, p. 579) categorisation where if something was 'prototypical' it meant the best example or best description of some category. For example, if someone asked you what your best example of what a fruit is most people surveyed - who were in the Northern Hemisphere said ... "Orange' where the poorest example of a piece of fruit to them was an olive. It is what image that first appears in your mind, in the quickest amount of time.

The most prototypic representation of furniture was chair and poorest representation of a piece of furniture was telephone - you know when they used to be fixed to a wall, and as Blonde sang you could be "hanging by the telephone" In the category. The most prototypic or best example of a weapon is a gun and the poorest example is a screwdriver. .

By using a prototypic process I was taking a snapshot of what the best fit examples of each scenario/situation was with the life of an individual with Autism. So I was able to identify what their manifestations of Stress and Anxiety within different situation looked like.

After Rosch (1978) there was a bloke called Horowitz (1981) who decided that the best way to present different representations of what a 'lonely' person looked like was to construct an image made of different sized rectangles. The smaller the box the most potent or best example of a certain characteristic was. The wider the rectangular box the least potent of poorer the example was. In the case of a Lonely person, Horowitz (1981, p. 13) the most prototypic example was 'feeling isolated' followed by 'feels excluded from activities, not part of a group' . Where the poorest example to describe a lonely person was 'is quiet reserved and introspective'.

I formed a number of these graphic prototypes to depict the best examples of different manifestations or representations of Autism.

Put it all together and you get ...

Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life: Towards a prototypical approach

The title as such is self-explanatory

See, 'simples'

Kind regards
Lionel


Really glad you know what you are talking about Lionel, you lost me at
"Well back in 1959 Erving Goffman,...."[bighmmm][bigrolf]

[Tins]

Really glad you know what you are talking about Lionel, you lost me at
"Well back in 1959 Erving Goffman,...."[bighmmm][bigrolf]

It was "Hello all" for me. And I did first year Psych at Monash..... Well, nearly.

[4bee]

It was "Hello all" for me. And I did first year Psych at Monash..... Well, nearly.


Kicked out on your arse yet again John?[bigrolf]

[bob10]

We really do have an eclectic membership, and that means you too 4BEE. [thumbsupbig]

[4bee]

We really do have an eclectic membership, and that means you too 4BEE. [thumbsupbig]



Moi?[biggrin]

[bob10]

Moi?[biggrin]

See? Multi-lingual, you speak in tongues, 4bee.

[4bee]

See? Multi-lingual, you speak in tongues, 4bee.


Not just tongues, I also know essential words like Please, Thank you, etc, words that are essential to get one by.
But bloody Russian has me buggered, all that back to front/upside down Sashy stuff.:Rolling::BigCry:

[jonesfam]

Hello All,

Well back in 1959 Erving Goffman, who was a Sociologist, wrote what was at the time considered to be a ground-breaking book The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life.

After interviewing a number of individuals with Autism I established what their representations of Self were - from how they described their reactions to 18 different situations or scenarios. These were open-ended question stems such as, when I feel stress building up inside me, I ...

As my study relates to Autism, these descriptions were 'representations' of Autism from their everyday perspectives. So that ticks off the "Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life" bit before the colon.

Now for the ... Towards a prototypical approach

'Towards' suggests I was trialling something new out and the 'approach' part refers the direction along the path I took. However, it was not just any approach it was a specific one that relates to 'prototypes'

Prototypes are based off Wittgenstein's earlier work Philosophical Investigations (1953 - translation into English) into categorisation = family resemblance. Rosch (1978, p. 579) categorisation where if something was 'prototypical' it meant the best example or best description of some category. For example, if someone asked you what your best example of what a fruit is most people surveyed - who were in the Northern Hemisphere said ... "Orange' where the poorest example of a piece of fruit to them was an olive. It is what image that first appears in your mind, in the quickest amount of time.

The most prototypic representation of furniture was chair and poorest representation of a piece of furniture was telephone - you know when they used to be fixed to a wall, and as Blonde sang you could be "hanging by the telephone" In the category. The most prototypic or best example of a weapon is a gun and the poorest example is a screwdriver. .

By using a prototypic process I was taking a snapshot of what the best fit examples of each scenario/situation was with the life of an individual with Autism. So I was able to identify what their manifestations of Stress and Anxiety within different situation looked like.

After Rosch (1978) there was a bloke called Horowitz (1981) who decided that the best way to present different representations of what a 'lonely' person looked like was to construct an image made of different sized rectangles. The smaller the box the most potent or best example of a certain characteristic was. The wider the rectangular box the least potent of poorer the example was. In the case of a Lonely person, Horowitz (1981, p. 13) the most prototypic example was 'feeling isolated' followed by 'feels excluded from activities, not part of a group' . Where the poorest example to describe a lonely person was 'is quiet reserved and introspective'.

I formed a number of these graphic prototypes to depict the best examples of different manifestations or representations of Autism.

Put it all together and you get ...

Representations of Autistic selfhood in everyday life: Towards a prototypical approach

The title as such is self-explanatory

See, 'simples'

Kind regards
Lionel


Yeh, Right?[tonguewink]

BTW We have an Autistic Foster son & I'm buggered if I know how he sees most of life.

[4bee]

Yeh, Right?[tonguewink]

BTW We have an Autistic Foster son & I'm buggered if I know how he sees most of life.



Of course you can't, you have to be in another person's shoes day after day to achieve that knowledge & maybe not even then, but with loving, caring & helpful Foster Parents his life surely must be better than having none.

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

I would hate to send the cat amongst the pigeons - however, I think if the diagnostic tests for the old rating of Asperger's syndrome (299.80 DSM-IV) was attached to this website there would be a damn good strike rate. You know - Land Rovers are pretty quirky and eccentric sort of vehicle, especially the Series ones, that attracts a particular sort of person. Just saying....

Kind regards
Lionel

[Tins]

But bloody Russian has me buggered, all that back to front/upside down Sashy stuff.:Rolling::BigCry:

Черт возьми, русский - это легко

[4bee]

Черт возьми, русский - это легко



Exactly my point. [bigrolf]

[bob10]

Exactly my point. [bigrolf]

I'm glad you pointed that out, old bean. Everything's a lot clearer now .:blink:

[4bee]

I'm glad you pointed that out, old bean. Everything's a lot clearer now .:blink:


???? It is? Maybe you'd better explain it to me over a beer one day, bob.[bigrolf]

[bob10]

???? It is? Maybe you'd better explain it to me over a beer one day, bob.[bigrolf]

Perhaps as we are cooking sand crabs on the beach, after netting them , Sth. Aus. style. Always wanted to do that. If you haven't eaten mud crab cooked in the coals, you haven't lived. Only one rule, no mention of COVID , or politics. Or is that two? :unsure:

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Over a week ago - hmmm the 11th of December in fact, I sent off a fully completed draft of my thesis to my Principal supervisor so they could make any recommendations for final changes to the thesis - before it is submitted. In the meantime I have had to wait for the university to approve a change of thesis title from my first draft. I had to change the thesis title so I could fill out the "Intention to Submit form". As there is no point intending to submit a thesis which has the incorrect title.

Waiting - waiting - waiting. I checked the email today and bingo. Thesis title changes approved. Five minutes later I was filling in the Intention to Submit Thesis form and pressing "send". When the ball enters my court I do not hesitate to lob it back into their court.

The university is shutting down on the 24th of December and will not re-open until the 6th of January. I cannot submit something that my Principal supervisor has not approved .... waiting .... waiting ... check emails.... waiting .... waiting ... Check emails ... waiting... waiting ...

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

After sending the proof-read version of my thesis to my supervisors back in November I waited patiently - well not very patiently - until I received the feedback yesterday morning - Monday the 24th of January. After a 2:00 am stint that finished Monday's work off - I grabbed some sleep and got stuck into the task again today. About 15 minutes ago I wrote an email and attached what I hope will be the last 'tracked changes' draft of the thesis.

Once the ball bounces into my court I do not muck around in getting the ball lobbed back into their court again.

Now, I just have to wait patiently again to see if I can proceed to making a final draft without any tracked changes so the document can be sent for examination. Fingers crossed!

Meanwhile .... waiting .... waiting ....waiting .... sigh! Tomorrow - Australia Day I will occupy myself by mowing the paddock.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Saitch]

Good Luck, Lionel. Perhaps you should use the forum sobriquet 'Gwen Meredith'?[smilebigeye]

[Lionelgee]

Good Luck, Lionel. Perhaps you should use the forum sobriquet 'Gwen Meredith'?[smilebigeye]

Hello Saitch,

Good old Gwen, aye! Gwen was born in Orange NSW which is not that far from my ancestral home of Temora. Well 236 Kilometres away, which is not far in terms of that neck of the woods.

I am now numbing my brain with YouTube viewing. Damn Word and its hidden codes. It took me the better part of this morning working out glitches. The air turned blue only a couple of times. I also learnt a new Word trick. If you go into Find/Replace click on the Find box and tap the spacebar twice. Then click on the Replace box and tap the spacebar once and go to Find next it locates all the places where there are double instead of single spaces between words. There is an option to "Replace All" automatically. However, I have used Replace All before and then had to repair documents when the automatic changes ripped things apart and required patching up. Find Next moves to the next occurrence and you can see what will happen when things in that location get changed. It allows more control and less unpleasant surprises.

There are still a couple of gremlins lurking in the document waiting to spring out. I have them isolated and contained. Just as long as no one decides to update the Table of Contents, after midnight and spray their computer with water! Oh and the first page that suddenly changes its margin format... The last two sections of the Table of Contents - the List of References and the Appendices that decide to lose their page numbering. Oh and an indented quote on page 6 that frequently refused to hold its formatting. All of these are battened down and hopefully hobbled.

Kind regards
Lionel

[austastar]

Hi,
It takes quite a bit of skill to produce what MS call a robust document.
Theoretically, if done properly, you should be able to change the page from portrait to landscape and not have the layout fall to pieces.
It is mostly misuse (or nonuse) of paragraph styles that are the gotchas.
The worst offenders at work were, ironically, the fastest typists, using the space bar as they did on the old tripewriters.
Cheers

[Lionelgee]

Hi,
The worst offenders at work were, ironically, the fastest typists, using the space bar as they did on the old tripewriters.
Cheers

Hello Austastar,

Hmmm - I would have to respond by writing - guilty as charged. I first used manual and then progressed to electric typewriters. I touch type with all digits. The process developed heavy thumbs for spacebar use. Too heavy apparently.

I still use the backspace key to delete mistakes, where I could simply use the mouse to highlight and delete. I miss the bell and swiping the carriage return arm too.

Due to a number of large images I needed to shift between portrait and landscape frequently within the tome. This was done successfully.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

The latest is that I was to directed to add two more items into the Table of Contents. These were Abstract and the page number it is located on. Also Acknowledgements and the page number it was located on. Now these two items are located within the compulsory template for the first sections of the thesis that one must not change any elements of. It also happens to be a section that bears no resemblance in formatting to the remainder of the thesis. Anyway, when I changed the style of the Abstract and Acknowledgement to Heading 2 in the Word's style guide and I generated an updated Table of Contents (ToC) all hell broke loose.

While the newly updated ToC did include the two items an 'interesting' event occurred within the itemised List of Appendices. When I selected and Control - Left mouse clicked on any of the appendix links instead of travelling towards the end of the document - where the appendices are located - I was directed straight to the title page! There must be some hidden miscreant codes lurking within the compulsory template.

I tried reverting the Abstract and Acknowledgement headings back to a 'normal' font and then update the Toc - nope the same issue with the appendices links all landing on the title page persisted.

When I retrieved an untainted copy of the thesis and made some space between the "Contents" title and where the guts of the ToC is located I inserted two URLs in manually. I made them look exactly the same format as the rest of the ToC. When I went to the List of Appendices and clicked on some random links - they all went to the title page.

That copy of the thesis was scrapped. I retrieved another untainted version of the thesis. The only thing that maintained the integrity of the all the appendices links was to bodgey it up by inserting some space under the ToC title and typing in

Abstract ................................................i
Acknowledgements .................................iv

Computers! Just attempting to do something simple like pick-up two new items with an updated ToC opens Pandora's box! That is most of today that I will never get back again. All of the ToC looks exactly the same - until someone clicks on either of the first two items and they stay at exactly the same place on the page. I have given them the information they need find the two items anyway! It is just that now they have to make the big effort of scrolling back through the pages by hand.

Then again, I reckon I am not the only person to ever add some dodgy elements within the ToC of their thesis.

Now I just have to patiently wait until the Supervisors manage to find time to cast a final critical eye over the tome before it has its final corrections made and gets sent off for examination. Waiting ... waiting ...


Kind regards
Lionel

[Tote]

Your thesis is really titled " Exploring the Irrational Complexity of Microsoft Word" isn't it[bigrolf][bigrolf] When It's published I'll be reading it to try and understand some of the crazy stuff that our templates at work do.

Regards,
Tote

[austastar]

Hi,
I feel your frustrations.
Before computers the Mrs used to type theses as an income, but refused to move to the "instrument of the devil".
I have seen the dispair of students trying to keep formatting together with tears of blood.
It really is a ridiculous expectation to expect any one to work to proffesional publishing standards with out any formal training or support. Not even a preformatted template loaded with example text. Grrr!
Wishing you well with the final edition.
Cheers

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

After resisting the urge to run around the the paddock gesticulating wildly, whilst screaming, I crawled into bed this morning and had a decent sleep. During some later in the morning's ablutions I pondered. If all the appendices hyper-links are connecting to the title page then maybe the gremlin is in the title page?

Ablutions over, I booted up the computer. Upon investigation I noticed that the university's emblem/shield is located in the Header section. The Footer contains the university's motto. I opened the Header and copied the emblem and deleted it from the Header. The emblem was pasted into Paint and saved in JPEG format. Some space was made above the thesis title then - Insert Picture from within the device - resulted in the emblem being pasted into the title page - without opening the Header. The emblem was located in exactly the same position that the former version featured it. Ditto with the Footer. Previously, the Footer did not transgress into other locations in the document - unlike the Header. By removing all the contents of the Header and Footer on the title page I was covering my bases.

I saved the document. Then I went back into the List of Appendices. I randomly selected an appendix. I pressed the Control button on the keyboard and left-mouse clicked. After opening my eyes up again - there was the selected appendix displayed on the screen - not the title page! Eureka!

Why the hell would anyone put contents in a Header and Footer when the contents is only appropriate for use on a single page? Yes - Section Break should - I wrote should have contained it. Well Section Break did not contain it.

Where was this headache sourced from? The compulsory downloaded template from the university's Graduate Research Office! [bawl]

To further investigate this phenomenon, I went to the university library's research centre and found online copies of the university's theses since the new template came into effect back in late 2020. I found numerous examples that did not feature the university's emblem or motto on their title page. How many other poor bastards, through no fault of their own, have endured the crap I have experienced and almost given up over? One that was caused by the university itself. To break the cycle I have provided an 'error' - 'background' and 'solution' message to the Head of Research. Hopefully other poor sods do not have endure this crap. "Spit".

Oh, and yesterday's problem of not being able to add two items sourced from within the notorious template section without all hell breaking loose - the link to the Abstract, and Acknowledgements - have now also be solved by emptying out the title page's Header and Footer. Plus, the links are now live and work... spit - spit - spit.

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Hello All,

After resisting the urge to run around the the paddock gesticulating wildly, whilst screaming, I crawled into bed this morning and had a decent sleep. During some later in the morning's ablutions I pondered. If all the appendices hyper-links are connecting to the title page then maybe the gremlin is in the title page?

Ablutions over, I booted up the computer. Upon investigation I noticed that the university's emblem/shield is located in the Header section. The Footer contains the university's motto. I opened the Header and copied the emblem and deleted it from the Header. The emblem was pasted into Paint and saved in JPEG format. Some space was made above the thesis title then - Insert Picture from within the device - resulted in the emblem being pasted into the title page - without opening the Header. The emblem was located in exactly the same position that the former version featured it. Ditto with the Footer. Previously, the Footer did not transgress into other locations in the document - unlike the Header. By removing all the contents of the Header and Footer on the title page I was covering my bases.

I saved the document. Then I went back into the List of Appendices. I randomly selected an appendix. I pressed the Control button on the keyboard and left-mouse clicked. After opening my eyes up again - there was the selected appendix displayed on the screen - not the title page! Eureka!

Why the hell would anyone put contents in a Header and Footer when the contents is only appropriate for use on a single page? Yes - Section Break should - I wrote should have contained it. Well Section Break did not contain it.

Where was this headache sourced from? The compulsory downloaded template from the university's Graduate Research Office! [bawl]

To further investigate this phenomenon, I went to the university library's research centre and found online copies of the university's theses since the new template came into effect back in late 2020. I found numerous examples that did not feature the university's emblem or motto on their title page. How many other poor bastards, through no fault of their own, have endured the crap I have experienced and almost given up over? One that was caused by the university itself. To break the cycle I have provided an 'error' - 'background' and 'solution' message to the Head of Research. Hopefully other poor sods do not have endure this crap. "Spit".

Oh, and yesterday's problem of not being able to add two items sourced from within the notorious template section without all hell breaking loose - the link to the Abstract, and Acknowledgements - have now also be solved by emptying out the title page's Header and Footer. Plus, the links are now live and work... spit - spit - spit.

Kind regards
Lionel


Jezuz Lionel! You sound a little ****ed off with this Thesis Crap. I hope it is worth the Mental Breakdown at the end of it all. [bighmmm] :bat:


And all this **** is from a University? Ye Gods!

[austastar]

Hi,
Somebody needs to be spoken to. Severely!
Especially if that template was part of their core duties.
Cheers

[Lionelgee]

Jezuz Lionel! You sound a little ****ed off with this Thesis Crap. I hope it is worth the Mental Breakdown at the end of it all. [bighmmm] :bat:


And all this **** is from a University? Ye Gods!

Hello 4bee,

I am an ex-TAFE Trade Teacher. I used assess people whether they were 'Competent' or 'Not yet Competent'. Unfortunately, it is still a measuring stick that I apply to other entities I interact with. I think you can read between the lines.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Just a quick update - I just attached and pressed 'Send' on what I hope is the final 'Tracked Changes' draft of the thesis. Finished it before midnight too - so none of it turning into a pumpkin!

Hooray! Now one last check from the Principal Supervisor. That will be one last opportunity for any corrections to be made. Then when that is ticked-off the tracked changes gets converted to a 'clean copy'. This clean copy means no tracked changes or comments are shown. Then it is off to the Office of Post Graduate Research and then onto final examination.

I just have to wait patiently for the last lot of Tracked Changes to be cleared. Teehee - me wait patiently ....

Thank you everyone for your support. It has kept me going during what have been some dark times.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Delete

[Lionelgee]

Delete

[4bee]

Delete

Oh dear, I hope this doesn't mean Trouble at t' Mill.

[Tote]

We were having a discussion yesterday regarding Doctorate studies, the observation was made that with most other courses of study, the path to completion could be seen as a road with milestones and a finish line. A doctorate was described as a road, but an endless one which when you look back you cant see where you started from, then while you have your head turned a magical being moves the finish line and adds some hills to the road. Keep plugging along [smilebigeye]

Regards,
Tote

[Lionelgee]

Hello 4bee,

Just another moan about Microsoft Word and its latest glitch. It just happened to be in the file I sent to my PhD supervisors after receiving an email saying it has been a week since you sent me your final draft. Have you made any changes in the interim? If so send it to me. Pretty cunning - aye!

Anyway, I sent an attached version of the document that I was really happy about to them in the morning. I went out and did some shopping and when I came back I opened the file. Let's just say that the latest glitch was that when you clicked on the Table of Contents to be transported to the selected page in the document - instead a void opened up with a rotating circle with a 'Please wait" message. This was accompanied by a title line "Word is not responding". Now this document was pristine when I saved, attached and sent it. It is really nice to have to send an email of apology to your supervisors with the message do not open the last attachment and delete the whole message. Then I found out that after I had fixed the issue with the dead-walk-into-a-void Table of Contents the fault had caused extra hard returns to appear at the top of random pages.

I wrote a couple of messages here on AULRO.

So I was not a happy bunny. Some hours past. I watched the latest detective show on SBS. Then watched a couple of episodes of Oak Swamp on YouTube where a bloke is putting an 850 cc Reliant motor into a 1936 Austin 10 to make a rat rod. You know doing 'normal' stuff - that does not involve Word or academic pursuits. After that I decided to revisit my two postings on AULRO. Then I started closing windows down on my computer in preparation for shutting it down. One of these windows was the dreaded thesis. I thought "bugger you - I am not going to be beaten by you and have a crap night's sleep because of your glitches playing with my mind". So whacked the zoom up to 150% scrolled through the whole document and found every extra hard return and deleted them. In the process my eye just happened to fix on a hyphen appearing instead of a number in the Table of Contents, plus some odd lapses of numeracy for which the blame is entirely mine. So these were fixed up too. Then I went to bed and had a good sleep. I even slept in!

Did I ever mention how much I hate Word?

Kind regards
Lionel

[austastar]

Hi,
Find and replace can remove double returns
Find ^p^p
Replace with ^p
If I remember correctly
Cheers

[4bee]

Hello 4bee,

Just another moan about Microsoft Word and its latest glitch. It just happened to be in the file I sent to my PhD supervisors after receiving an email saying it has been a week since you sent me your final draft. Have you made any changes in the interim? If so send it to me. Pretty cunning - aye!

Anyway, I sent an attached version of the document that I was really happy about to them in the morning. I went out and did some shopping and when I came back I opened the file. Let's just say that the latest glitch was that when you clicked on the Table of Contents to be transported to the selected page in the document - instead a void opened up with a rotating circle with a 'Please wait" message. This was accompanied by a title line "Word is not responding". Now this document was pristine when I saved, attached and sent it. It is really nice to have to send an email of apology to your supervisors with the message do not open the last attachment and delete the whole message. Then I found out that after I had fixed the issue with the dead-walk-into-a-void Table of Contents the fault had caused extra hard returns to appear at the top of random pages.

I wrote a couple of messages here on AULRO.

So I was not a happy bunny. Some hours past. I watched the latest detective show on SBS. Then watched a couple of episodes of Oak Swamp on YouTube where a bloke is putting an 850 cc Reliant motor into a 1936 Austin 10 to make a rat rod. You know doing 'normal' stuff - that does not involve Word or academic pursuits. After that I decided to revisit my two postings on AULRO. Then I started closing windows down on my computer in preparation for shutting it down. One of these windows was the dreaded thesis. I thought "bugger you - I am not going to be beaten by you and have a crap night's sleep because of your glitches playing with my mind". So whacked the zoom up to 150% scrolled through the whole document and found every extra hard return and deleted them. In the process my eye just happened to fix on a hyphen appearing instead of a number in the Table of Contents, plus some odd lapses of numeracy for which the blame is entirely mine. So these were fixed up too. Then I went to bed and had a good sleep. I even slept in!

Did I ever mention how much I hate Word?

Kind regards
Lionel


I very very vaguely recall summat you said.:Rolling::Rolling::clap2:

[Lionelgee]

Hi,
Find and replace can remove double returns
Find ^p^p
Replace with ^p
If I remember correctly
Cheers

Hello Austastar,

Thanks for the ^p tip. I did do an internet search and found the same technique. I used hard returns to position numerous tables and figures so they would fit on the exact spot on a page that I wanted them to be positioned in. Probably not the best way to do it. Using the Find and Replace bit was less easy than just my scrolling down through the pages - unfortunately. But as stated before I do appreciate your taking the time to post the tip.

At the time it was more... straw ... camel's... the... back ... broke ... the ... that ... bit that I did not need to encounter. To use another metaphor - apparently, a light congratulatory tap on the shoulder can unintentionally knock a person over just after they have completed a marathon. While the Word sourced tap on the shoulder was not so much congratulatory - I am staggering to the finish line. The line was just shifted in front of me. Plus, for fun some sod threw up yet another hurdle for me to negotiate and I came a cropper before I reached the extended finish-line. Despite this I have picked myself up, dusted myself off and I continue to stagger forth. Yes, hurdles do not belong in marathons - perhaps this is an example of a mixed-metaphor. Or just a really nasty variety of sod in action. Thank you Mr Gates!

Oh yes - I forgot... now I just have to wait patiently to receive what I hope to be the last lot of feedback from my supervisor before the tome gets submitted. Waiting patiently ... waiting ...

Kind regards
Lionel

[austastar]

Hi,
Paragraph/properties/ space before and/or after is a robust way to format that sort of stuff.
Easily repeated by using styles too.
Fingers crossed for you.
Cheers

[Lionelgee]

Hi,
Paragraph/properties/ space before and/or after is a robust way to format that sort of stuff.
Easily repeated by using styles too.
Fingers crossed for you.
Cheers

G'Day Austastar,

Well that is a new one for me - thank you very much for the tip. It will be kept for future reference. Post thesis. I am not going to attempt something new at this stage.

Kind regards
Lionel

[austastar]

Hi,
Yep, no worries, horse has bolted the stables by now. (Hope it wins the race)

I would often find ^p^p and replace it with something tagged, like ^p xxx or ^l so it was easy to hone in onto something that fell over with the bulk find/replace.
Some students used to do unimaginably contorted keyboard work to mimic what could be achieved with a simple style.
Cheers

[windsock]

Some students used to do unimaginably contorted keyboard work to mimic what could be achieved with a simple style.
Cheers

This! Seen it much over the years too. It often brought meaning to the mundane of reviewing revision x of a draft thesis, trying to decipher formatting issues. :whistling:

[Lionelgee]

Hello Windsock and Austastar,

I readily admit that I am no Word whiz. The only way I have learnt deeper insight of the foibles of Word is when something stuffs up. The biggest resource has been the internet and this thread and people like yourselves who have most kindly contributed to it.

It should be conditional that an institute that offers post graduate degrees employs a dedicated person on staff, or have arranged access to a contractor who is available for candidates to either train how to set up their thesis using the current version of Word and related suite programs to provide tips and tricks. Plus, be available to trouble shoot. Someone who is fully aware of just how important that single document is to the candidate. For example, a certain institution that I am aware of directs candidates to a pre-recorded tutorial regarding setting up your thesis that features a copy of Word that is not even the current version. Oh, the same place that features 'exemplar' theses that do not include any from my faculty. The same place that are promulgators of a mandatory title page and acknowledgements section that corrupts the rest of the thesis. Go figure!

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Hello Windsock and Austastar,

I readily admit that I am no Word whiz. The only way I have learnt deeper insight of the foibles of Word is when something stuffs up. The biggest resource has been the internet and this thread and people like yourselves who have most kindly contributed to it.

It should be conditional that an institute that offers post graduate degrees employs a dedicated person on staff, or have arranged access to a contractor who is available for candidates to either train how to set up their thesis using the current version of Word and related suite programs to provide tips and tricks. Plus, be available to trouble shoot. Someone who is fully aware of just how important that single document is to the candidate. For example, a certain institution that I am aware of directs candidates to a pre-recorded tutorial regarding setting up your thesis that features a copy of Word that is not even the current version. Oh, the same place that features 'exemplar' theses that do not include any from my faculty. The same place that are promulgators of a mandatory title page and acknowledgements section that corrupts the rest of the thesis. Go figure!

Kind regards
Lionel




Hello Lionel, Have endeavored to follow this thread as best I can, but what are you studying at the end of the day? Maybe you have mentioned it somewhere that is hiding from me?

It seem s a lot of hullabaloo to get something done & you seem to be having a hellava lot of obstacles put in your way.

Thanks.

4bee

[windsock]

Hello Windsock and Austastar,

I readily admit that I am no Word whiz. The only way I have learnt deeper insight of the foibles of Word is when something stuffs up. The biggest resource has been the internet and this thread. It should be conditional that an institute that offers post graduate degrees employs a dedicated person on staff, or have arranged access to a contractor who is available for candidates to either train how to use the current version of Word and related suite programs to provide tips and tricks. Plus, be able to be available to trouble shoot. Someone who is fully aware of just how important that single document is to the candidate.

Kind regards
Lionel

I wholly agree. It is a global issue. I have worked with or within two tertiary education providers and seen two very different levels of resourcing. Over time I have seen the really well resourced one forced to cut back due to cost constraints. The less well resourced one bounced around between under resourced and just fit for purpose. What you say is needed has not been the first time I have heard this call.

I often hear or read a mitigating argument that at postgrad level the expectation is on self-directed learning and research - "student, teach thyself". However, I have seen this in practice and if the student doesn't know what they don't know, self-directed learning is an aimless exercise in futility.

There is no doubt in my mind that one who gets to the point where they can submit a well reasoned and logical presentation of new knowledge has overcome far more than lack of knowledge in the topic. [thumbsupbig]

[Lionelgee]

Hello Lionel, Have endeavored to follow this thread as best I can, but what are you studying at the end of the day? Maybe you have mentioned it somewhere that is hiding from me?

It seem s a lot of hullabaloo to get something done & you seem to be having a hellava lot of obstacles put in your way.

Thanks.

4bee

Hello 4bee,

I think the expression is 'that it is character building'. Um how about .... from the book by Twilight of the Idols by Nietzsche (1888), “Aus der Kriegsschule des Lebens.—Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker,” which roughly translates as “Out of life’s school of war—what doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger.” Accessed 5th February 2022, from What doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger - Dictionary.com (https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/what-doesnt-kill-you-makes-you-stronger).

It would also come under the guise of 'academic rigour'

One of the parts examiners focus on is the thesis' 'original contributions to knowledge'. I reckon I have that one covered in spades.

It is just now the matter of my surviving the foibles of Word. Plus, what I hope is the last round of corrections from my Principal Supervisor before a corrected version is made into a 'clean' copy and it gets sent off for examination.

I just have to wait patiently - Geeze - hasn't damn kettle boiled yet? Ooopsy - did I just let people know about my level of patience!

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello Lionel, Have endeavored to follow this thread as best I can, but what are you studying at the end of the day? Maybe you have mentioned it somewhere that is hiding from me?

It seem s a lot of hullabaloo to get something done & you seem to be having a hellava lot of obstacles put in your way.

Thanks.

4bee

Hello 4bee,

"What I am studying at the end of the day" - is the debilitating influence of stress and anxiety on all the domains of wellbeing in individuals with Autism. I have identified stress and anxiety as a root cause of debilitation by it exacerbating some factors and its subsequent undermining of other aspects of life. For example, you might have access to the most effective stress and anxiety control technique ever developed. This should allow you to take control and lower your level of stress and anxiety.

Your ability to enact this effective stress control technique is dependent upon your ability to recognise that your stress and anxiety levels are increasing. Because of other conditions related to Autism the ability to recognise stress and anxiety may not exist. Catch 22.

I have gone back to my own thesis a number of times and found where I outlined techniques to maintain and further develop the ability to recognise an individual's unique manifestations or intricacies of one's own stress and anxiety 'looks like'. Then sought out what strategies can be enlisted to stop being overwhelmed by stress and anxiety. Ergo, I have directly benefited from my own research on a number of occasions!

Kind regards
Lionel

[austastar]

Hi,
If you really want a monumental stuff-up in a Word document, put a senior manager behind the keyboard and give him 2 weeks paid leave at his weekender to produce a critical document with a deadline.
And then require the tech staff to convert it to a .pdf with clickable table of contents for the web.
Despite no use of styles,it did print correctly, because it fell in a heap at any editing attempts.
We ended up exporting it as text and then redoing it as per Word was designed to.
Cheers

[4bee]

Hello 4bee,

I think the expression is 'that it is character building'. Um how about .... from the book by Twilight of the Idols by Nietzsche (1888), “Aus der Kriegsschule des Lebens.—Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker,” which roughly translates as “Out of life’s school of war—what doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger.” Accessed 5th February 2022, from What doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger - Dictionary.com (https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/what-doesnt-kill-you-makes-you-stronger).

It would also come under the guise of 'academic rigour'

One of the parts examiners focus on is the thesis' 'original contributions to knowledge'. I reckon I have that one covered in spades.

It is just now the matter of my surviving the foibles of Word. Plus, what I hope is the last round of corrections from my Principal Supervisor before a corrected version is made into a 'clean' copy and it gets sent off for examination.

I just have to wait patiently - Geeze - hasn't damn kettle boiled yet? Ooopsy - did I just let people know about my level of patience!

Kind regards
Lionel


Thanks Lionel but still N t W. You have now muddied the wqters even more so. If your character hasn't been built enough by now to enable you to get through your life as you know it so far, (& I'm guessing your age is aprox, 30 - 50 with a great sense of humour) then how the hell is what you are doing now going to improve it?
Not unless you like being bastardised by "perfect beings" with a peculiar interest in torture.

What is at the end of it, a better job, a better Salary, job satisfaction etc etc? Apologies for my 'igh falutin' words.[bighmmm]


Des

[4bee]

Hello 4bee,

"What I am studying at the end of the day" - is the debilitating influence of stress and anxiety on all the domains of wellbeing in individuals with Autism. I have identified stress and anxiety as a root cause of debilitation by it exacerbating some factors and its subsequent undermining of other aspects of life. For example, you might have access to the most effective stress and anxiety control technique ever developed. This should allow you to take control and lower your level of stress and anxiety.

Your ability to enact this effective stress control technique is dependent upon your ability to recognise that your stress and anxiety levels are increasing. Because of other conditions related to Autism the ability to recognise stress and anxiety may not exist. Catch 22.

I have gone back to my own thesis a number of times and found where I outlined techniques to maintain and further develop the ability to recognise an individual's unique manifestations or intricacies of one's own stress and anxiety 'looks like'. Then sought out what strategies can be enlisted to stop being overwhelmed by stress and anxiety. Ergo, I have directly benefited from my own research on a number of occasions!

Kind regards
Lionel

OOPS! My apologies Lionel, I missed this one. How can you ever forgive my Transgression?[bighmmm] [bigrolf]

[Lionelgee]

Thanks Lionel but still N t W. You have now muddied the wqters even more so. If your character hasn't been built enough by now to enable you to get through your life as you know it so far, (& I'm guessing your age is aprox, 30 - 50 with a great sense of humour) then how the hell is what you are doing now going to improve it?
Not unless you like being bastardised by "perfect beings" with a peculiar interest in torture.

What is at the end of it, a better job, a better Salary, job satisfaction etc etc? Apologies for my 'igh falutin' words.[bighmmm]


Des

G'day Des,

Nope - that was the wrong age demographic. A 50 -> 60 grouping is the more accurate with my bumping closet to the extreme right of the estimate. What is at the end of it? The conclusion of my indebtedness to the participants who volunteered to allow me personal insight into their lives so other people with the condition may benefit from their experiences. There is no way that I could allow their voices to be silenced from my not finishing this thesis. That is the altruistic side of it.

Financially, the hope that I might succeed in becoming self-employed by providing professional development to educators - primary school to university - so no other poor bastard has to put up with the crap that I did throughout my tertiary education. My personal work-history is far from stellar. I figure I am better off working for myself.

From the application of the professional development side of things sourced from my thesis - that people with Autism may be better survive their education and be able to become employed and turn around the God-awful statistics involved with the level of unemployment for people with Autism in Australia. Amaze (2018) found that the unemployment rate for individuals with Autism is, “31.6 percent. This is three times the rate of people with disability, and almost six times the rate of people without disability”. That more than half of unemployed autistic Australians "(54%) had never held a paid job, despite often possessing the skills, qualifications and a strong desire to join the workforce" (Amaze, 2018, What did we find? section, paras.1-2). Accessed 5th February 2022 from, Autism and employment in Australia - Amaze (https://www.amaze.org.au/creating-change/research/employment)

Plus, the hopeful sheer satisfaction that - to use the no doubt grammatically incorrect - 'fake' Latin term, that I did not - Illegitimis non carborundum.

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

G'day Des,

Nope - that was the wrong age demographic. A 50 -> 60 grouping is the more accurate with my bumping closet to the extreme right of the estimate. What is at the end of it? The conclusion of my indebtedness to the participants who volunteered to allow me personal insight into their lives so other people with the condition may benefit from their experiences. There is no way that I could allow their voices to be silenced from my not finishing this thesis. That is the altruistic side of it.

Financially, the hope that I might succeed in becoming self-employed by providing professional development to educators - primary school to university - so no other poor bastard has to put up with the crap that I did throughout my tertiary education. My personal work-history is far from stellar. I figure I am better off working for myself.

From the application of the professional development side of things sourced from my thesis - that people with Autism may be better survive their education and be able to become employed and turn around the God-awful statistics involved with the level of unemployment for people with Autism in Australia. Amaze (2018) found that the unemployment rate for individuals with Autism is, “31.6 percent. This is three times the rate of people with disability, and almost six times the rate of people without disability”. That more than half of unemployed autistic Australians "(54%) had never held a paid job, despite often possessing the skills, qualifications and a strong desire to join the workforce" (Amaze, 2018, What did we find? section, paras.1-2). Accessed 5th February 2022 from, Autism and employment in Australia - Amaze (https://www.amaze.org.au/creating-change/research/employment)

Plus, the hopeful sheer satisfaction that - to use the no doubt grammatically incorrect - 'fake' Latin term, that I did not - Illegitimis non carborundum.

Kind regards
Lionel



Thank you Lionel that is most concise & my apologies
for being an ignorant Boor.[bighmmm][biggrin]

Des.

[Lionelgee]

Thank you Lionel that is most concise & my apologies
for being an ignorant Boor.[bighmmm][biggrin]

Des.

G'day Des,

No worries at all!

My research started off as a picture in my mind of a pie anyway. There is a common expression about someone being a 'well-balanced person'. I wondered if the segments of that person's life that made up their being a well-balanced person could be displayed as a pie-graph what would the segments be made up of? Also, how many segments would there be to make up the whole pie?

Then if the same pie segments were compared to an individual with Autism would there be a difference in the result between a well-balanced person and someone with Autism? If there were differences would it possible to use these identified differences to design developmental training along with treatments for Autism - so that someone with Autism could become a well-balanced person?

My research grew like topsy from the pie-graph.


Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

G'day Des,

No worries at all!

My research started off as a picture in my mind of a pie anyway. There is a common expression about someone being a 'well-balanced person'. I wondered if the segments of that person's life that made up their being a well-balanced person could be displayed as a pie-graph what would the segments be made up of? Also, how many segments would there be to make up the whole pie?

Then if the same pie segments were compared to an individual with Autism would there be a difference in the result between a well-balanced person and someone with Autism? If there were differences would it possible to use these identified differences to design developmental training along with treatments for Autism - so that someone with Autism could become a well-balanced person?

My research grew like topsy from the pie-graph.


Kind regards
Lionel



Morning Lionel.

I have no idea, but I will watch your future posts with a renewed interest & wish you well with your "studies"


Personally I cannot believe any of us are "well balanced" in that sense but we continue through life believing that we are, but call it normal.


Thanks again from a well balanced Des. Yeah right.[bigrolf]

[ramblingboy42]

some band a few years ago sang a song that contained the words "dont let the bastards grind you down"

I'm thinking it was U2 but cannot find the song title.....any one here recall it?

[shack]

some band a few years ago sang a song that contained the words "dont let the bastards grind you down"

I'm thinking it was U2 but cannot find the song title.....any one here recall it?Acrobat.

[ramblingboy42]

cheers mate.

here it is....U2 - Acrobat - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHa1ThS9avA&list=RDNHa1ThS9avA&index=1)

[shack]

cheers mate.[emoji106]

The last 4 tracks of Achtung baby are a fantastically mellow way to round out an evening, great background/ambience music... In fact, great music full stop.

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Just waiting for word back from my Principal Supervisor for what should be my last lot of corrections on the thesis before it is ticked at being 100 percent and can be sent off for examination.


Waiting patiently - patiently waiting....

Kind regards
Lionel

[shack]

Waiting patiently - patiently waiting....

Kind regards
Lionel

I think you might be lying....

[4bee]

Hello All,

Just waiting for word back from my Principal Supervisor for what should be my last lot of corrections on the thesis before it is ticked at being 100 percent and can be sent off for examination.


Waiting patiently - patiently waiting....

Kind regards
Lionel


If nothing else Lionel, this exercise will teach you a lot about persistence & Hangin' around


nil desperandum carborundum illegitimi

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Nope - nothing to see here. Still waiting .... sigh!

Kind regards
Lionel

[austastar]

Patience Grasshopper, patience. Big wheels move slowly.
Cheers

[4bee]

Patience Grasshopper, patience. Big wheels move slowly.
Cheers




If they even move at all, that is because they are far too big .

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Just after the storms settled late last night I checked my emails before shutting the computer down... OMG is that an email from my Principal Supervisor!!!


Just some minor stuff to finish up. Some of it generated by trying to overwrite some guff that EndNote is doing to some in-text citations - adding full names or initials when it should not be doing so. Other bits like the year of the article being written twice in the same sentence - just careless stuff that must have crept in when I was tired and the brain flagging a bit.

Should have it wrapped up shortly - fingers crossed. Onwards and upwards.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

The ball bounces into my side of the tennis court after being served by the Principal Supervisor.
Thwack - serve is returned. The tennis ball goes cleanly over the net and bounces back into the Principal Supervisor's side of the court.

Now I am patiently waiting for a new response.

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Hello All,

The ball bounces into my side of the tennis court after being served by the Principal Supervisor.
Thwack - serve is returned. The tennis ball goes cleanly over the net and bounces back into the Principal Supervisor's side of the court.

Now I am patiently waiting for a new response.

Kind regards
Lionel



Do not despair Lionel. I bet some bastard has pinched the ball so you may have a long wait.[bigsad]

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Well, at 11:02 last night an email bounced into my Inbox. The email was from my Principal Supervisor. I was given some directives to go through the Track Changes and hit "Resolve" for each comment.

I then had to go and make a "clean" copy = File => Info => Inspect => Comments, Revisions and Versions => Removal All => Save

Then do an item by item check through the Table of Contents, List of Figures, List of Tables and Appendices to check that their numbering was correct and that their links to actual page numbers were accurate.

Then I could save the document after each task was completed, and send it to the supervisory team for a final review before it is sent off for examination.

At 4:34 pm Eastern Standard Time (Real) I pressed the "Send" button. Gee that was a fun day going through all the pages checking the minutiae. Not!

Fingers crossed - for the next step - actual submission.

After that I did some spray painting of an old steel container and then put all the tools away. An old Dusty Springfield song came into my head... I just don't know what to do with myself. Substitute in the word "PhD" instead of the word "you". Accessed 14th March 2022 from, Dusty Springfield ~ i Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself (HQ) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuPOwe-2EYA)

In the meantime I just have to wait patiently again to see what the next step actually will be... more revisions of submit for examination...

Waiting .... I just don't know what to do with myself...

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Hello All,

Well, at 11:02 last night an email bounced into my Inbox. The email was from my Principal Supervisor. I was given some directives to go through the Track Changes and hit "Resolve" for each comment.

I then had to go and make a "clean" copy = File => Info => Inspect => Comments, Revisions and Versions => Removal All => Save

Then do an item by item check through the Table of Contents, List of Figures, List of Tables and Appendices to check that their numbering was correct and that their links to actual page numbers were accurate.

Then I could save the document after each task was completed, and send it to the supervisory team for a final review before it is sent off for examination.

At 4:34 pm Eastern Standard Time (Real) I pressed the "Send" button. Gee that was a fun day going through all the pages checking the minutiae. Not!

Fingers crossed - for the next step - actual submission.

After that I did some spray painting of an old steel container and then put all the tools away. An old Dusty Springfield song came into my head... I just don't know what to do with myself. Substitute in the word "PhD" instead of the word "you". Accessed 14th March 2022 from, Dusty Springfield ~ i Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself (HQ) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuPOwe-2EYA)

In the meantime I just have to wait patiently again to see what the next step actually will be... more revisions of submit for examination...

Waiting .... I just don't know what to do with myself...

Kind regards
Lionel


Glad to see the bastards haven't ground you under Li, & you still have your sense of humour.


Just as well you "enjoy" being buggerisde (?) around.

Keep on smiling.:Rolling::TakeABow:

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Apparently there has to be an additional report that needs to be generated via another company's software that the Principal Supervisor has to tick as having read the report within the university's required submission form. While there is scant information about how to submit the thesis to this company's software on the university's website, it does not offer any instruction about how the said report can and should be generated in the required format - so it can be attached and sent to the supervisors.

Seemingly there is this big pool of prior experience and accepted knowledge that everyone must know about. Hmmm well all except me - apparently..

To meet this shortfall, I have had to visit other Australian universities to find some details about how to generate the required report. Despite this effort I just received feedback that the format generated via these found instructions still falls short of my supervisors' requirements.

My actions: Emails have been sent to various sections of the university so direct access can be given to all interested parties to the raw data so they can format and generate the report to meet their requirements. My head has been totally done in.

4bee wrote about being buggerised around - apparently the bell has rung for another round of fun and frivolity. The theatre of the absurd continues....

That is all from me folks - goodnight - sweet dreams one and all.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Well the last hurdle which I had some degree of control over has been vaulted. I just pressed the 'Send' button and my thesis has now been submitted to the university's Office of Research. The folks at the research place will check over the thesis and make sure that it meets their requirements before it is sent off to the examiners - whomever they are.

From this point in time the thesis is out of my hands.

Now, to confirm a tradition that I established after each chapter was signed off the thesis I am now playing a certain song. Okay - officially I should write Accessed March 15, 2022 from Queen - Another One Bites the Dust (Official Video) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE).

I would like to thank everyone on this forum who have offered me support and encouragement.

Now I just have to wait patiently to find out the examiners' results? There is no official timeline as how long this process may take. Waiting patiently - patiently waiting... with all my fingers crossed!

God what am I going to do tomorrow!

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Hello All,

Well the last hurdle which I had some degree of control over has been vaulted. I just pressed the 'Send' button and my thesis has now been submitted to the university's Office of Research. The folks at the research place will check over the thesis and make sure that it meets their requirements before it is sent off to the examiners - whomever they are.

From this point in time the thesis is out of my hands.

Now, to confirm a tradition that I established after each chapter was signed off the thesis I am now playing a certain song. Okay - officially I should write Accessed March 15, 2022 from Queen - Another One Bites the Dust (Official Video) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE).

I would like to thank everyone on this forum who have offered me support and encouragement.

Now I just have to wait patiently to find out the examiners' results? There is no official timeline as how long this process may take. Waiting patiently - patiently waiting... with all my fingers crossed!

God what am I going to do tomorrow!

Kind regards
Lionel


Well, I suppose you could register to go to the Ukraine. Oh hang on, you are not allowed to are you? Just thinking it could just be a lot less exciting/demanding than what they are putting you through here.
[bighmmm]

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Looks like a 'watch this space' situation has arisen and a holding pattern has been entered into. Something has come up with the previously described levels of administrative access to a computer program the thesis has to go through before it can be released to the examiners. Just another hoop to jump through after a last second obstacle gets thrown up.

Taking a step back I can appreciate that my Principal Supervisor has my best interests are heart. Also, their sense of responsibility and due diligence they hold towards their role as the main supervisor. My only concern is that they are in a very time-poor situation, so it could be a prolonged period of time before the green light goes on and the thesis is released for examination. In the meantime the thesis sits in limbo. Eventually, I will be the main beneficiary of this delay. I just have to be patient. Sigh!

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Hello All,

Looks like a 'watch this space' situation has arisen and a holding pattern has been entered into. Something has come up with the previously described levels of administrative access to a computer program the thesis has to go through before it can be released to the examiners. Just another hoop to jump through after a last second obstacle gets thrown up.

Taking a step back I can appreciate that my Principal Supervisor has my best interests are heart. Also, their sense of responsibility and due diligence they hold towards their role as the main supervisor. My only concern is that they are in a very time-poor situation, so it could be a prolonged period of time before the green light goes on and the thesis is released for examination. In the meantime the thesis sits in limbo. Eventually, I will be the main beneficiary of this delay. I just have to be patient. Sigh!

Kind regards
Lionel


Just another hoop to jump through after a last second obstacle gets thrown up. Bugger!

Cripes, I really do hope you are a fit bugger Li as it sounds like it is getting a bit acrobatic now.

I hope said obstacle misses you ok, watch out for a concealed Delay Fuse.
[bigrolf]

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

A quick notification - just before close of business this afternoon I received an email saying that my thesis has been sent off to the examiners. Results are expected back mid-May 2022.

The thesis is even more out of my hands than it was in the last couple of weeks when an unexpected obstacle appeared. Now I just have to wait patiently and keep all my fingers and toes crossed. You know waiting patiently - patiently waiting.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

A quick update. Well, the Examiners' reports on my thesis were due in today. I contacted the Office of Research at uni and..... the examiners' reports have not yet arrived. Reminders have been sent out. They did mention "approximate date 6th of May though". As per Gomer Pyle, "Surprise - Surprise - Surprise"!

So nothing new. I am waiting patiently - patiently waiting - sigh!

Thank you ramblingboy42 for posting this link on what are you listening to? thread Gary Moore W Albert King - Stormy Monday (Live At Hammersmith Odeon`90) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V48_CvbHP8). It will be followed by Van Morrison's Tupelo Honey with solo by Pee Wee Ellis Van Morrison Tupelo Honey Live with great solo by Pee Wee Ellis - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hco9bCh7Nes)

Kind regards
Lionel

[V8Ian]

By the time it's all done and dusted, you'll have three more letters to suffix your name, Lionel, Ret.. [wink11]

[4bee]

Hello All,

A quick update. Well, the Examiners' reports on my thesis were due in today. I contacted the Office of Research at uni and..... the examiners' reports have not yet arrived. Reminders have been sent out. They did mention "approximate date 6th of May though". As per Gomer Pyle, "Surprise - Surprise - Surprise"!

So nothing new. I am waiting patiently - patiently waiting - sigh!

Thank you ramblingboy42 for posting this link on what are you listening to? thread Gary Moore W Albert King - Stormy Monday (Live At Hammersmith Odeon`90) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V48_CvbHP8). It will be followed by Van Morrison's Tupelo Honey with solo by Pee Wee Ellis Van Morrison Tupelo Honey Live with great solo by Pee Wee Ellis - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hco9bCh7Nes)

Kind regards
Lionel


Blimey you are still at it Lionel! Stick with it, you have come this frustratingly far.[biggrin]

[Lionelgee]

By the time it's all done and dusted, you'll have three more letters to suffix your name, Lionel, Ret.. [wink11]

Hello Ian,

Ret. meaning 'retired'? How about needing the Dr. and the PhD bit to kick off a new career at the tender age of 59. My fifties run out in December. I would really like to have the Dr. and PhD under my belt before that.

Without the PhD I am just a bloke with some good ideas about how to live with Autism - Stress and Anxiety. 'Good things come to those who wait' they reckon... More blues music is being queued up. Okay some Linkin Park - Numb might be played really really loud too. Numb [Official Music Video] - Linkin Park - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYiU_JCYtU)


Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

I received a bit of a surprise in the email today. It was a close of business message too. It was the from the Research Office and the following major comment was made.

I refer to your thesis which has been submitted for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy
The reports of the Examination Panel have been reviewed by the Dean of Graduate Research who has recommended that:

An examination outcome of No AMENDMENTS be awarded.

I was given a possible date for the final report coming on the 1st of June! Hence the bit of a surprise. I can tell you my blood ran cold when I realised just what the message was about. Then I scrolled down and found the part that I included in bold text above.

The result means that my PhD thesis has been accepted as meeting all the requirements for the award for a Doctorate in Philosophy with absolutely no changes being required in the thesis.

I would like to thank every one here on the forum who has given me support and encouragement during the last tilt at getting the thesis done and dusted. My apologies to Dr. Martin Luther King ...."Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, I am free at last!"

Kind regards
Lionel

[Saitch]

My sincere congratulations, Doctor Lionel! :twobeers::twobeers::twobeers::twobeers:

Steve

[V8Ian]

Well earned Dr. Lionel, it proves that clever people like Land Rovers. :banana::banana::banana:

[4bee]

Hello All,

I received a bit of a surprise in the email today. It was a close of business message too. It was the from the Research Office and the following major comment was made.

I refer to your thesis which has been submitted for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy
The reports of the Examination Panel have been reviewed by the Dean of Graduate Research who has recommended that:

An examination outcome of No AMENDMENTS be awarded.

I was given a possible date for the final report coming on the 1st of June! Hence the bit of a surprise. I can tell you my blood ran cold when I realised just what the message was about. Then I scrolled down and found the part that I included in bold text above.

The result means that my PhD thesis has been accepted as meeting all the requirements for the award for a Doctorate in Philosophy with absolutely no changes being required in the thesis.

I would like to thank every one here on the forum who has given me support and encouragement during the last tilt at getting the thesis done and dusted. My apologies to Dr. Martin Luther King ...."Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, I am free at last!"

Kind regards
Lionel


You reckon do you Li? Look out the window, see all those coppers, they are there because you ditched some crappy paperwork out of the window & you are going down big time.



Congratulations on a well earnt thesis.:TakeABow::TakeABow: :clap2::Rolling:

[Tote]

Congratulations on the reward for the long hard slog [thumbsupbig]

Regards,
Tote

[4bee]

Well earned Dr. Lionel, it proves that clever people like Land Rovers. :banana::banana::banana:



A Doctor you say? Time to ask him about that funny itch & rash between your legs.



Ah, wrong Doctor.[bigrolf]

[NavyDiver]

Congratulations Dr Lionel. A long winding road well taken Sir. Bravo Zulu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR4HjTH_fTM

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

I just received an email from university. Apparently there are still some hoops like getting a copy of the thesis sent to the university library and a copy off to Trove digital thesis and some other stuff. Another meeting of university officialdom then 48 hours later an official Conferral of the award via email and then I am good to call myself "Dr. Evans". You know - hoop - jump - hoop - jump ... little dolly steps forward. Very happily they will be only tiny-weeny-dolly-steps. The biggest effort has been done and ticked off - well in a preliminary sort of way. Not quite officially so.

Hmmm - maybe I should change the subject line of this thread? Things do tend to get drawn out don't they!

Kind regards
Lionel

[jonesfam]

First, Congratulations.
Second, it must have been hard work?
And third, does being a Dr. of Philosophy mean you get drunk then get all maudlin & philosophical?
Jonesfam

[Lionelgee]

First, Congratulations.
Second, it must have been hard work?
And third, does being a Dr. of Philosophy mean you get drunk then get all maudlin & philosophical?
Jonesfam

Hello Jonesfam,

The Dr. bit is not a requirement - I can do maudlin without any chemical assistance. I sent you a PM a while ago - not sure if it bounced?

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

While I do not have the electronic version or the hardcopy version of the testamur yet, I did receive official notification from the university yesterday that I have been conferred the award of Doctor of Philosophy. I can now officially call myself "Dr. Lionel Evans" or Lionel Evans (PhD). All the academic hoops have been jumped through.

While I am now Dr. Evans, there are still just a couple more hoops to negotiate for the graduation side of things. The next graduation ceremony is not until December 2022. The day after my birthday. I had hoped to get all aspects of the doctoral studies over and done with while I was still in my fifties. As Maxwell Smart used to say, "I missed it by that much" when I graduate in December.

Thank you everyone for your support and encouragement.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Homestar]

Well done Doc. [emoji106]

[Tote]

Hello All,

While I do not have the electronic version or the hardcopy version of the testamur yet, I did receive official notification from the university yesterday that I have been conferred the award of Doctor of Philosophy. I can now officially call myself "Dr. Lionel Evans" or Lionel Evans (PhD). All the academic hoops have been jumped through.

While I am now Dr. Evans, there are still just a couple more hoops to negotiate for the graduation side of things. The next graduation ceremony is not until December 2022. The day after my birthday. I had hoped to get all aspects of the doctoral studies over and done with while I was still in my fifties. As Maxwell Smart used to say, "I missed it by that much" when I graduate in December.

Thank you everyone for your support and encouragement.

Kind regards
Lionel

Congratulations!!!!, My colleague pointed out the last time that we were away for work together that his noticeably better room for the same rate was due to the Dr at the front of his name, make sure you get all the perks of the title :-)

Regards,
Tote

[Saitch]

Congratulations!!!!, My colleague pointed out the last time that we were away for work together that his noticeably better room for the same rate was due to the Dr at the front of his name, make sure you get all the perks of the title :-)

Regards,
Tote

If you're a Doctor of Divinity, would you get the top floor?

[Lionelgee]

Congratulations!!!!, My colleague pointed out the last time that we were away for work together that his noticeably better room for the same rate was due to the Dr at the front of his name, make sure you get all the perks of the title :-)

Regards,
Tote

Hello Tote,

Yes, there can be some unexpected perks that can go along with the title - Tote. I was flying cattle class once on an interstate flight. An attendant came up to our row of seats and said to the person next to me, "Dr. so and so, a spare seat has come up in business class. Would you like to be upgraded?" The person soon vacated their seat. That little piece of information was stored away.

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

If you're a Doctor of Divinity, would you get the top floor?

Hello Satich,

I suppose that could happen for a Doctor of Divinity. I am not sure what I would get with a Doctor of Philosophy (Arts, Humanities and Education) though. Then within that disciplinary level I undertook an applied specialisation in disability and cultural studies that focussed on Autism, identity and wellbeing.

Where 'applied' means a practical application in daily life - not theoretical. Or alternatively real not pretend. I probably just annoyed some of my academic peers out there with that last comment. Hmmmm, too bad - how sad!

Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

As of today the only thing I need to do regarding my PhD studies is to attend the local graduation ceremony in December.

Today, I received a link from the University library that links to a PDF formatted downloadable version of my PhD thesis. I pointed out to the library that the URL only links to a title page - not the full thesis. If I sent the link to people they would and have written back and let me know that the link only opens a one-page document. Ask me how I know this ...

I did discover through trial and error if the university provided URL is clicked on - the single-paged title page is downloaded and opened up. Then if the citation URL within the title page is clicked on - which ends in V1 - then the computer goes to a new webpage with new "Download PDF" button. This new button then opens the full thesis up. However, the URL in the citation box is not written in bold font to quickly distinguish it as a live URL within the single-page title page. Nor is there any instruction on the single-page title page for people to click on the URL within the 'Citation' box. I suggested to the university why don't they provide a link direct to V1 of the thesis. Or perhaps they could bold the URL in the Citation box and provide an instruction on their single-page title page to click on the URL within the Citation box. This request was disregarded.

Earlier, I only received the link to an invitation that opens a webpage that provides official proof that I have been awarded the PhD and can legally call myself "Dr Evans" on the 4th of July.

Since my last email I have been jumping through numerous university administration hoops. Some of these hoops link to other university departments which brings up student fees page and it shows that the account is in the red due to outstanding fees for 2019. Apparently this is a known fault in the system all Higher Degree Research students who were studying in 2019 have the same error. The university and authorised federal government department have been negotiating with each other since 2019 to fix this error. I was told that the other department in the university knew about this error. I was told not to worry about it. I was also been given totally contradictory information that I had to navigate to be able to complete the list of administrative tasks. This also included receiving information that I was officially Dr. Evans, then four days later I was not able to call myself "Dr. Evans". I had to wait until I received an official "conferral" letter. Then I had to go to another organisation that provides the link to the transcripts and an electronic version of the official testamur. This is the scroll you receive upon graduation. You know, the bit of paper you get to hang on your brag wall after it is framed! Once electronic access to the testamur is achieved then I am officially "Dr. Evans".

So yes my university has run true to form. A friend in the USA has likened my experience with the university with Kafka’s sense of the absurd.

Anyway - after that update ... well okay "rant" ... as of the 4th of July - America's Independence Day when I received the link to the official proof that I am "Dr. Evans" I can now apologise to Martin Luther King - Free at last. Free at last. Thank God Almighty, I am free at last... from the university that is.

How come I feel like Monty Python's Black Knight - "it's only a flesh wound!" Then the uni takes a couple more swipes with a sword.

How about ...

"I am Dr. Spartacus"
"No you are not. I am Dr. Spartacus" ...
"No, I am Dr. Spartacus"...

Kind regards
Lionel ... Dr. Lionel

[RANDLOVER]

Lionel, with all your recent experience I think you are now ready to do a Phd in publishing.[bigrolf]