Duxford host a Spittie collection.

[4bee]

The largest collection of Spitfires ever assembled in one place is on display at Duxford Air Museum, with 12 aircraft on display. | Nokia News (https://www.nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/uk/the-largest-collection-of-spitfires-ever-assembled-in-one-place-is-on-display-at-duxford-air-museum-with-12-aircraft-on-display/)

[BradC]

Could you imagine the sound of all 12 sitting idling.

[BathurstTom]

The largest collection of Spitfires ever assembled in one place is on display at Duxford Air Museum, with 12 aircraft on display. | Nokia News (https://www.nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/uk/the-largest-collection-of-spitfires-ever-assembled-in-one-place-is-on-display-at-duxford-air-museum-with-12-aircraft-on-display/)
I would correct the phrase they keep using. I doubt that it is the biggest collection of Spitfires ever. I'm sure that there were more than 12 in several places during WW2.

[4bee]

I would correct the phrase they keep using. I doubt that it is the biggest collection of Spitfires ever. I'm sure that there were more than 12 in several places during WW2.


That is what I thought when I read it,just look at the last B&W image, assuming during WW2, but even in that there are more than 12 but a bit hard to tell really..[bighmmm]


Literary licence I believe it is called, AKA Bull****. Still, that aside, there are some interesting shots there.

[Tins]

I would correct the phrase they keep using. I doubt that it is the biggest collection of Spitfires ever. I'm sure that there were more than 12 in several places during WW2.

Especially over North London in the "Big Wings" led by Dogsbody Bader.

[4bee]

Especially over North London in the "Big Wings" led by Dogsbody Bader.

HEY, I'm just the messenger of something I found interesting, not the Author. [bighmmm]

[Tins]

HEY, I'm just the messenger of something I found interesting, not the Author. [bighmmm]
Messenger? Consider yourself shot[thumbsupbig]

[BradC]

That is what I thought when I read it,just look at the last B&W image, assuming during WW2, but even in that there are more than 12 but a bit hard to tell really..[bighmmm]

I blew it up and count 11 tails and 11 prop blades.

Lovely pictures though.

[4bee]

I blew it up and count 11 tails and 11 prop blades.

Lovely pictures though.


Thanks Brad, so they had one of each then? No spares anywhere?? [biggrin]

I used a Magnifier but could not get it clear enough to satisfy some folk.

[Tins]

I used a Magnifier but could not get it clear enough to satisfy some folk.

You have this problem often?

[350RRC]

.............

I used a Magnifier but could not get it clear enough to satisfy some folk.

You only have to do the best that you can.

Have a good Chrissy, DL

[4bee]

You only have to do the best that you can.

Have a good Chrissy, DL



Thanks DL & same to you bunch of sarcastic *****s. You know who I mean. [bigrolf]

[ramblingboy42]

Especially over North London in the "Big Wings" led by Dogsbody Bader.

Bader never flew a spitfire.

why dogsbody, he was a real nice bloke , having met him in 1978

[jon3950]

Bader flew Hurricanes in the Battle of Britian with 242 Squadron.

However, prior to that he flew Spitfires with 19 and 222 Squadrons and after the BoB was made a wing commander and flew Spitfires again. He was shot down in a Spitfire Va.

Apparently dogsbody came from his initials DB.

Cheers,
Jon

[Tins]

Bader never flew a spitfire.


Incorrect. While his exploits with the misfit 242 Squadron had him in Hurricanes, he flew Spits before and after that. In fact, it is likely he flew more sorties in Spitfires than Hurricanes. The biographical movie "Reach for the Sky" really only covers the BoB. Paul Brickhills book of the same name covers Bader in far more detail, and Bader's own book, Fight for the Sky" also tells of his time in Spits. And, as Jon says, he was flying a Spitfire VA when shot down on August 9, 1941. In June, 1945, Bader led the Victory Flypast. I'm not sure, but I believe this was also in a Spitfire.

[4bee]

Incorrect. While his exploits with the misfit 242 Squadron had him in Hurricanes, he flew Spits before and after that. In fact, it is likely he flew more sorties in Spitfires than Hurricanes. The biographical movie "Reach for the Sky" really only covers the BoB. Paul Brickhills book of the same name covers Bader in far more detail, and Bader's own book, Fight for the Sky" also tells of his time in Spits. And, as Jon says, he was flying a Spitfire VA when shot down on August 9, 1941. In June, 1945, Bader led the Victory Flypast. I'm not sure, but I believe this was also in a Spitfire.


I had his recording for "The 50th Anniversary of the RAF" for some years until we moved house, & guess what? Yep, it got binned, probably with my copy of "BRITISH STEAM". Odd that.[bigsad]

I recall him saying that he couldn't get used to the new Jet engines as they all sounded pretty much the same & you couldn't identify the aircraft they were in, but earlier with piston engines you could. He thought it was a great shame.

Group Capt. Douglas Bader CBE, DSO, DFC – Salute In Sound On The Fiftieth Anniversary Of The RAF (1968, Vinyl) - Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/release/3801257-Group-Capt-Douglas-Bader-CBE-DSO-DFC-Salute-In-Sound-On-The-Fiftieth-Anniversary-Of-The-RAF)

[4bee]

I had his recording for "The 50th Anniversary of the RAF" for some years until we moved house, & guess what? Yep, it got binned, probably with my copy of "BRITISH STEAM". Odd that.[bigsad]

I recall him saying that he couldn't get used to the new Jet engines as they all sounded pretty much the same & you couldn't identify the aircraft they were in, but earlier with piston engines you could. He thought it was a great shame.

Group Capt. Douglas Bader CBE, DSO, DFC – Salute In Sound On The Fiftieth Anniversary Of The RAF (1968, Vinyl) - Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/release/3801257-Group-Capt-Douglas-Bader-CBE-DSO-DFC-Salute-In-Sound-On-The-Fiftieth-Anniversary-Of-The-RAF)


Here you go Mr Bee, Various-Trains British Steam Volume 1 UK vinyl LP album (LP record) (653783) (https://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=653783)

[ramblingboy42]

all corrections accepted.

[Johnno1969]

The largest collection of Spitfires ever assembled in one place is on display at Duxford Air Museum, with 12 aircraft on display. | Nokia News (https://www.nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/uk/the-largest-collection-of-spitfires-ever-assembled-in-one-place-is-on-display-at-duxford-air-museum-with-12-aircraft-on-display/)


Maybe somebody can clear something up which I often notice with file photos in articles on the internet. The photo of that group of Spits is the reverse of how it would appear in real life (the Spit in the foreground with Johnny Johnson's markings on it (might be a MkIV..??) clearly has the markings frack to bunt. How does this happen so often that photos are "flipped"....?

[Johnno1969]

Incorrect. While his exploits with the misfit 242 Squadron had him in Hurricanes, he flew Spits before and after that. In fact, it is likely he flew more sorties in Spitfires than Hurricanes. The biographical movie "Reach for the Sky" really only covers the BoB. Paul Brickhills book of the same name covers Bader in far more detail, and Bader's own book, Fight for the Sky" also tells of his time in Spits. And, as Jon says, he was flying a Spitfire VA when shot down on August 9, 1941. In June, 1945, Bader led the Victory Flypast. I'm not sure, but I believe this was also in a Spitfire.

P.S. Yep, I've seen a photo of Bader in the cockpit of a Spit which is captioned as part of the Victory Flypast, so, assuming that was correctly labelled, he flew a Spit that day. It is also far more likely that in 1945 there'd be a spare Spitfire hanging around in the UK than there would be a Hurricane. Plus, it would be the obvious choice of plane to lead the flight.

P.P.S. Bader appears to have been, like a lot of "high performers", a man of many facets and accounts of him are rather varied in regards to his behaviour. The accounts of people like Johnson show that on ops he was clearly a very good leader, though it's probably very fortunate that he and Trafford Leigh Mallory didn't have their way on the tactics for interception during the Battle of Britain: things might have turned out rather differently if that had happened.

[4bee]

Maybe somebody can clear something up which I often notice with file photos in articles on the internet. The photo of that group of Spits is the reverse of how it would appear in real life (the Spit in the foreground with Johnny Johnson's markings on it (might be a MkIV..??) clearly has the markings frack to bunt. How does this happen so often that photos are "flipped"....?


Ah, there's a thing. & I thank the Honorable Member for his/her question.

I read /perused something after I started to use my water wheel powered I-phone 5 that, & I don't know if this is crap or not, that it seems to be in the holding of an I-phone that things can be reversed usually side to side when posted. As I recall,if the camera is held so the lens shoots low as opposed to high with the finger inadvertently partly covering the lens you can get this effect. Holding the camera in the left hand & button pressing with left with the lens low down on the camera may obviate this problem & the lazy finger doesn't enter in to it. Something to do with innards of the camera. A mystery to me.[bighmmm]

ie. camera is reversed in your hand.& the 2nd finger from the thumb can "lazily" fall in front of the lens if one is right handed & the camera is held in the left.
Something similar happens on here when images are displayed but @ 90* or 180* so you have to stand on your hands/ head to view.
Either that or you turn the screen upside down???[bigrolf]

It has been raised previously many times on here but other than the above possible solution I have seen I cannot say. No one seems to have come up with a correct solution & I haven't experimented.

I suppose it depends on how the image you referred to was taken as well, & with what.


Capice?:Rolling:

Sorry, what was the question?

[Johnno1969]

Maybe somebody can clear something up which I often notice with file photos in articles on the internet. The photo of that group of Spits is the reverse of how it would appear in real life (the Spit in the foreground with Johnny Johnson's markings on it (might be a MkIV..??) clearly has the markings frack to bunt. How does this happen so often that photos are "flipped"....?

P.P.P.S. I don't know if any other anoraks out there have noticed my typo....but I meant "MkXIV"....

[Johnno1969]

Thanks for explaining that.

Mind you, I didn't understand a word of it. I will have a cup of tea and try again.

John




Ah, there's a thing. & I thank the Honorable Member for his/her question.

I read /perused something after I started to use my water wheel powered I-phone 5 that, & I don't know if this is crap or not, that it seems to be in the holding of an I-phone that things can be reversed usually side to side when posted. As I recall,if the camera is held so the lens shoots low as opposed to high with the finger inadvertently partly covering the lens you can get this effect. Holding the camera in the left hand & button pressing with left with the lens low down on the camera may obviate this problem & the lazy finger doesn't enter in to it. Something to do with innards of the camera. A mystery to me.[bighmmm]

ie. camera is reversed in your hand.& the 2nd finger from the thumb can "lazily" fall in front of the lens if one is right handed & the camera is held in the left.
Something similar happens on here when images are displayed but @ 90* or 180* so you have to stand on your hands/ head to view.
Either that or you turn the screen upside down???[bigrolf]

It has been raised previously many times on here but other than the above possible solution I have seen I cannot say. No one seems to have come up with a correct solution & I haven't experimented.

I suppose it depends on how the image you referred to was taken as well, & with what.


Capice?:Rolling:

Sorry, what was the question?

[4bee]

Thanks for explaining that.

Mind you, I didn't understand a word of it. I will have a cup of tea and try again.

John

As it happens nor did I[bigrolf]



The word accelerometer came into it somewhere.??????????? I think.[bighmmm]


I guess the best way is to experiment for oneself. Maybe there is more on Gargle these days?


Yep I always find having a cuppa just the job if perplexed.[biggrin]

[4bee]

As it happens nor did I[bigrolf]



The word accelerometer came into it somewhere.??????????? I think.[bighmmm]


I guess the best way is to experiment for oneself. Maybe there is more on Gargle these days?


Yep I always find having a cuppa just the job if perplexed.[biggrin]

This may or may not help.Why Your iPhone Photos Are Upside Down & How To Fix That (https://iphonephotographyschool.com/iphone-photos-upside-down/)

[Tins]

This may or may not help.Why Your iPhone Photos Are Upside Down & How To Fix That (https://iphonephotographyschool.com/iphone-photos-upside-down/)

It doesn't.

[4bee]

It doesn't.

Do you have a better suggestion that may assist Johnno?


Yes? Let's hear it. No? No help then.

[Tins]

Do you have a better suggestion that may assist Johnno?


Yes? Let's hear it. No? No help then.

Yeah well, thanks for trying:bat:

[Tins]

I have to ask why the article's proofreader didn't notice.

[Tins]

I also have to ask why, when I post a reply the vBulletin forum software whisks me back to the first page of the thread. It's a tad confusing, especially in the Jokes thread when I find myself in 2006. I wasn't even a member back then[bigsad]

[JDNSW]

I'm not sure whether this is relevant, but a lot of published pictures, particularly the ones that appear at the head of an article, are reversed if the effect is considered more "artistic"!

[Johnno1969]

As it happens nor did I[bigrolf]



The word accelerometer came into it somewhere.??????????? I think.[bighmmm]


I guess the best way is to experiment for oneself. Maybe there is more on Gargle these days?


Yep I always find having a cuppa just the job if perplexed.[biggrin]

The main thing is that you had a go. Much appreciated. Meantime, I will just work on my technique for viewing historical photos with a mirror over my shoulder. That seems to work.

Time for another cuppa. [smilebigeye]

[3toes]

You see the same reversed photos in many publications. It is about how the image appears on the page to the reader not about accuracy

[Tins]

You see the same reversed photos in many publications. It is about how the image appears on the page to the reader not about accuracy
Yes, but in this case it’s just ridiculous.

[4bee]

I'm not sure whether this is relevant, but a lot of published pictures, particularly the ones that appear at the head of an article, are reversed if the effect is considered more "artistic"!


John, I doubt if AULRO is interested in "artistic"but this has occurred on here from time to time, the same Question has been asked but I have never seen a sensible reply. People simply post an image of an engine or vehicle & it can occur. Yep, arris up.


At the end of the day it may be much easier to turn the Monitor onto it's lid.[bigrolf]

[4bee]

Yes, but in this case it’s just ridiculous.



I bet there are a few weird looking Land Rovers around the world assembled from shonky images, with every thing back to front.:wallbash::Rolling::rolleyes:

[Tins]

I bet there are a few weird looking Land Rovers around the world assembled from shonky images, with every thing back to front.:wallbash::Rolling::rolleyes:

I believe I have 3 of them. As for the OKA, who'd know from a pic?

[4bee]

I believe I have 3 of them. As for the OKA, who'd know from a pic?


That'd be an AKO then? Might get confused with an Inter though.[bigrolf]

[Tins]

That'd be an AKO then? Might get confused with an Inter though.[bigrolf]

Some interchangeability occurs.....

[RANDLOVER]

I had his recording for "The 50th Anniversary of the RAF" for some years until we moved house, & guess what? Yep, it got binned, probably with my copy of "BRITISH STEAM". Odd that.[bigsad]

I recall him saying that he couldn't get used to the new Jet engines as they all sounded pretty much the same & you couldn't identify the aircraft they were in, but earlier with piston engines you could. He thought it was a great shame.

Group Capt. Douglas Bader CBE, DSO, DFC – Salute In Sound On The Fiftieth Anniversary Of The RAF (1968, Vinyl) - Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/release/3801257-Group-Capt-Douglas-Bader-CBE-DSO-DFC-Salute-In-Sound-On-The-Fiftieth-Anniversary-Of-The-RAF)

Interestingly some people thought Bader was such a good fighter pilot due to him having no lower legs, for the blood to drain into during high g-force manoeuvres, where other pilots would black out from the blood leaving their brains.

[Tins]

Interestingly some people thought Bader was such a good fighter pilot due to him having no lower legs, for the blood to drain into during high g-force manoeuvres, where other pilots would black out from the blood leaving their brains.

It has been postulated that that was how the "G" suits all fighter pilots now wear came into being.

Of course, Bader was of the mind to turn anything to his advantage, including his lack of legs. He drove his German captors nuts while he was a POW.

[JDNSW]

It has been postulated that that was how the "G" suits all fighter pilots now wear came into being.

Of course, Bader was of the mind to turn anything to his advantage, including his lack of legs. He drove his German captors nuts while he was a POW.

Earlier this year I visited the new museum at Sydney University. One of the exhibits there is a "G" suit prototype developed there in, I think, 1941, to test the concept.

[4bee]

Interestingly some people thought Bader was such a good fighter pilot due to him having no lower legs, for the blood to drain into during high g-force manoeuvres, where other pilots would black out from the blood leaving their brains.

I know the feeling, Rand.:Rolling:

[3toes]

A little more on topic some Spitfires of the RAAF on Morotai in December 1944. I count 6 in the picture but am sure there were some more just out of shot

175981

[JDNSW]

My b-i-l was on Morotai then, but he was army not airforce.

[4bee]

My b-i-l was on Morotai then, but he was army not airforce.


SNAP! As was my uncle who was in the Dental Corp via the AMC, so not much to do with Spitfires unless he painted the shark's teeth on some, plus he died a few years ago so can't ask him about anything aeronautical up there.

[4bee]

A little more on topic some Spitfires of the RAAF on Morotai in December 1944. I count 6 in the picture but am sure there were some more just out of shot

175981

Interesting observation re Morotai while googling,


The last confirmed Japanese holdout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout) from the war, Private Teruo Nakamura (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruo_Nakamura) (Amis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amis_language): Attun Palalin), was discovered by the Indonesian Air Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Air_Force) on Morotai, and surrendered to a search patrol on December 18, 1974.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morotai#cite_note-3)
A bit of a wait for one's mates to rock up, 30 years!!!! I bet his first thoughts were of his due Back Pay.[bigrolf]

Says a lot for Japanese Signal Sqdns. Not.

Thanks for that 3T. If the aircraft were taken out of that shot it would be a relatively peaceful Tropical scene I think.

[3toes]

Based on the wiki link he may have been thinking about back pay but as was Taiwanese not Japanese there was no back pay or pension

[Tins]

Based on the wiki link he may have been thinking about back pay but as was Taiwanese not Japanese there was no back pay or pension

On the subject of back pay, my FIL, POW for over three years, received back pay from the Army AND from James Hardie, a decent company back then. He worked for them from age 16 until he lied about his age and joined the AIF. They told him they'd keep his job for him, and they did. He was a mere messenger at the time.

My, how things change...

[JDNSW]

SNAP! As was my uncle who was in the Dental Corp via the AMC, so not much to do with Spitfires unless he painted the shark's teeth on some, plus he died a few years ago so can't ask him about anything aeronautical up there.

My b-i-l talked little about the war, but I gather that he was mainly concerned on Morotai with the power station and vehicle maintenance. At that time he held the rank of sergeant, in RAEME, I believe. He dies about twenty years ago, and my sister died in 2019, so nobody I can ask for more who might know any more.

[4bee]

Based on the wiki link he may have been thinking about back pay but as was Taiwanese not Japanese there was no back pay or pension


So I see, but I could just about guarantee it was the last thing on his mind back then unless he intended to spend Japanese "Invasion Money". I think most soldiers who served in the Islands had a handful when they left as a Souvenir & it stank of the Jungle & other humid areas ie. Mildewed to buggery & Purely of no value anywhere unless in a Japanese controlled area. They went to a lot of trouble for when they were going to rule the Asia Zone. I can still smell it, as a heap of it sat on top of our bedroom wardrobe post '45 courtesy of Uncle Bob, Dental Technician, together with a few cloth bandoliers of .303 (? Aust or Japanese, could have been either ????) & a couple of 20mm Canon shells which I now believe were Armored Piercing. No idea if those were deactivated or not. I wonder if my old man told him to get them shifted or what, as they disappeared after a few months, so probably. If there'd been a hammer with them I guess as kids the 20s would have got a belting.:bangin::BigCry::Rolling: Ah Happy Days.

Japanese invasion money - Wikipedia
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_money)
Reading that article it sounds like some one coughed up with some cash later on for him but I doubt it was due to a Guilty Conscience on their part.


As a private in a colonial unit from a now-independent country, Nakamura was not entitled to a pension (due to a 1953 change in the law on pensions), thus received only the minimal sum of ¥68,000 (US $227.59 at the time, US $1,200 in 2020).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruo_Nakamura#cite_note-time-1) This caused a considerable outcry in the press, motivating the Taiwanese government and the public to donate a total of ¥4,250,000 to Nakamura.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruo_Nakamura#cite_note-trefalt260-7) Five years after his repatriation, on 15 June 1979, Nakamura died of lung cancer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung_cancer).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruo_Nakamura#cite_note-trefalt-6)



The poor bastard, he couldn't blame that on the issued ciggies could he, unless he was smoking rolled up Toilet Paper or ratted the old Q-store his mates had left behind.




Google his name, it is quite a spread. No not Uncle Bob, the Nippon Soldier.[bigrolf]

[V8Ian]

Dust off your old L plates, fellows. 176046

https://youtu.be/3hzI81kEUFo

[4bee]

Dust off your old L plates, fellows. 176046

https://youtu.be/3hzI81kEUFo


"Righto Trubshaw, sling us me Flying Helmet, I'm off to catch some Jerries with their pants down".[bigrolf]

[V8Ian]

Did you recognise the interior paint colour, Des?

[4bee]

Did you recognise the interior paint colour, Des?



Bloody thieving RAF Johnnies! They pinched LR's colour scheme from the Wilkes lads. [bigrolf]


Those I have been privileged to have been in over the years in the UK had the same pale green scheme. viz. Scampton Gate Guardian Lancaster. a cut wing (Shortened Wing) Spitfire at some small airfield near Cambridge, etc,etc This place had also had a huge Propeller from the only one off junked Bristol Brabazon on the wall. That was 16' diameter & had contra rotating props on each engine.

Bristol Brabazon (https://www.historynet.com/bristol-brabazon.htm)

The story goes that not only did the Wilkes use the Ally sheet they also swiped a Million gallons of that pale green.

Who can say,eh?[bighmmm]

Just as well, says me.

[JDNSW]

Rover was a defence contractor, which is how they gained their confidence to use alloy sheeting - and how they had the contacts to get it. Same could apply to the paint; unlikely to have been literally swiped, more likely they knew where there was a large quantity they could offer to take off the manufacturer's hands free of charge when all the contracts for aircraft were cancelled in 1945, with repercussions all down the supply chain. They may have actually paid something for it. But the government had probably already paid for it to the manufacturer.

[4bee]

[QUOTE=4bee;3127914]Bloody thieving RAF Johnnies! They pinched LR's colour scheme from the Wilkes lads. [bigrolf]


Those I have been privileged to have been in over the years in the UK had the same pale green scheme. viz. Scampton Gate Guardian Lancaster. a cut wing (Shortened Wing) Spitfire at some small airfield near Cambridge, etc,etc This place had also had a huge Propeller from the only one off junked Bristol Brabazon on the wall. That was 16' diameter & had contra rotating props on each engine.

Bristol Brabazon


(https://www.historynet.com/bristol-brabazon.htm)

The story goes that not only did the Wilkes use the Ally sheet they also swiped a Million gallons of that pale green.

Who can say,eh?[bighmmm]

Just as well, says me.

[4bee]

Bloody thieving RAF Johnnies! They pinched LR's colour scheme from the Wilkes lads.


Those I have been privileged to have been in over the years in the UK had the same pale green scheme. viz. Scampton Gate Guardian Lancaster. a cut wing (Shortened Wing) Spitfire at some small airfield near Cambridge, etc,etc This place had also had a huge Propeller from the only one off junked Bristol Brabazon on the wall. That was 16' diameter & had contra rotating props on each engine.

Bristol Brabazon


(https://www.historynet.com/bristol-brabazon.htm)

The story goes that not only did the Wilkes use the Ally sheet they also swiped a Million gallons of that pale green.

Who can say,eh?[bighmmm]

Just as well, says me.



[QUOTE][B]Shortening the wings lowered the effective altitude of the Spitfire but increased the roll rate, making it more maneuverable at lower altitudes. ... Clipped wings were not the only alteration made to the Spitfire wing shape. Extended tips were also used for high-altitude performance.22 Oct 2018