Hyundai Ends Development of Internal Combustion Engines

[goingbush]

Hyundai Motor Group Shuts Down Engine Development Center


It wasn't too long ago that people on here scoffed at the idea when I suggested Internal Combustion Engine development would be phased out in the next few years.

its beginning sooner than I thought, Chrysler is about the only motor company with no (public) plans for EV.

Hyundai Motor Group Shuts Down Engine Development Center - Businesskorea (http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=84657&fbclid=IwAR1d7-bwLsKzLjhM5nJ2U-SeUq7Wkhl_cZ_6dWYso3f4g9H9yJW8h6c0wGU)

[Tombie]

Hyundai Motor Group Shuts Down Engine Development Center


It wasn't too long ago that people on here scoffed at the idea when I suggested Internal Combustion Engine development would be phased out in the next few years.

its beginning sooner than I thought, Chrysler is about the only motor company with no (public) plans for EV.

http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html

Next environmental challenge is about to ramp up [emoji41]

[Tins]

Hyundai Motor Group Shuts Down Engine Development Center


It wasn't too long ago that people on here scoffed at the idea when I suggested Internal Combustion Engine development would be phased out in the next few years.

its beginning sooner than I thought, Chrysler is about the only motor company with no (public) plans for EV.

http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html

It's OK for the South Koreans. They have nukes delivering nearly 30% of energy to their grid. Here, not so much.

[ramblingboy42]

maybe Chrysler may once again produce cars for the Australian long roads......everyone else is bailing out....

what happens if Singapore reduces its refinery production?

[goingbush]

maybe Chrysler may once again produce cars for the Australian long roads......everyone else is bailing out....

what happens if Singapore reduces its refinery production?

Ahh no to that,

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/chrysler-is-officialy-leaving-the-australian-market/

[scarry]

Can’t seem to get the link to work.

If they have to no doubt they will use another manufacturers IC engines.

[Tins]

Can’t seem to get the link to work.

If they have to no doubt they will use another manufacturers IC engines.

They have before. Centralised IC manufacturing will increase, allowing Feel good announcements such as that we see now from Hyundai. You'll note that they haven't announced discontinuing IC models...

I'm far more interested in their hydrogen developments, although it seems they've lost their bottle on that front. If true, it's seriously disappointing.

Hyundai Reportedly Halts Development Of Hydrogen Technology (https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/other/hyundai-reportedly-halts-development-of-hydrogen-technology/ar-AASes0u)

[johnp38]

They have before. Centralised IC manufacturing will increase, allowing Feel good announcements such as that we see now from Hyundai. You'll note that they haven't announced discontinuing IC models...

I'm far more interested in their hydrogen developments, although it seems they've lost their bottle on that front. If true, it's seriously disappointing.

Hyundai Reportedly Halts Development Of Hydrogen Technology (https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/other/hyundai-reportedly-halts-development-of-hydrogen-technology/ar-AASes0u)

They can run out the existing ICE designs as long as they meet emissions regs, then switch to the Kia engines if they are separate development teams (being common ownership) . Or maybe there is a big switch coming to focus on electrics and no more ICE model development ?

We'll all find out in a very short few years I suspect.

[Phideaux]

maybe Chrysler may once again produce cars for the Australian long roads......everyone else is bailing out....

what happens if Singapore reduces its refinery production?

I'm presuming that the departure of Chrysler doesn't include that Fiat-Chrysler owned company, Jeep?

Meanwhile,
Hydrogen fuel cell vs Battery-Electric vehicles in Australia: Tech Explained (https://www.whichcar.com.au/advice/hydrogen-fuel-cell-vs-battery-electric-australia)

(There's a more recent article in Wheels magazine, but it's not online yet).
Key points with that are: hydrogen can be used in ICE engines (as modified)
* but it produces Nitrous Oxide (NO3) (nasty)
* and hydrogen is hard to handle
* and if carbon is used to produce hydrogen - uh, duh?
And the big winner with BEVs (including [theoretically, eventually] Hydrogen fuel-cell - [I don't fully understand this tech]) is their running costs. Even at today's inflated prices, BEVs break even at 10 years just on maintenance costs - many fewer moving parts.
And renewables have been cheaper than fossil fuels at producing electricity for a couple of years now. The big thing is balancing/stabilising the electricity network. NSW leads the charge (sic) here - my PHD daughter works in that area.

[DazzaTD5]

Hyundai Motor Group Shuts Down Engine Development Center


It wasn't too long ago that people on here scoffed at the idea when I suggested Internal Combustion Engine development would be phased out in the next few years.

its beginning sooner than I thought, Chrysler is about the only motor company with no (public) plans for EV.

Hyundai Motor Group Shuts Down Engine Development Center - Businesskorea (http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=84657&fbclid=IwAR1d7-bwLsKzLjhM5nJ2U-SeUq7Wkhl_cZ_6dWYso3f4g9H9yJW8h6c0wGU)


As I value your opinion and skill set I say this with some tongue in cheek...

I didn't scoff, I laughed, or choked on my coffee...
It's hardly (i mean its aint changing anything) going to impact anything with regards to saving the planet.

BUT... it is awesome pr and spin for the car manufacturers and nothing more.
To believe somehow that this move matters is some sort of craziness.

Chrysler? are moving the same way, they already have EV wrangler, hybrid RAM and are putting something like 35 mil into EV production.
All the **** brands are now under the Stellantis group. (Fiat, Chrysler, RAM, Jeep and heaps more).

[Tins]

* and if carbon is used to produce hydrogen - uh, duh?


Why doesn't your duh? apply to EVs? In 2020 Australia produced 378.7 PJ of overall renewable energy (including renewable electricity) in 2018, which accounted for 6.2% of Australia's total energy use (6,146 PJ), so the vast amount of energy EVs consume comes from coal or other carbon sources. ( source the infamous WiKi )

This stuff is in its infancy. Maybe we'll go with both. Maybe some new tech will come along. It's far too soon to come down on one side at the exclusion of everything else. However, it's possibly easier to implement hydrogen using currently existing infrastructure. We did it with LPG for decades.

[BradC]

And the big winner with BEVs (including [theoretically, eventually] Hydrogen fuel-cell - [I don't fully understand this tech]) is their running costs. Even at today's inflated prices, BEVs break even at 10 years just on maintenance costs - many fewer moving parts.


10 years is good timing as that’s when a good majority of them will be ready for the shredder. So they barely break even before the tech is both obsoleted and uneconomical to re-cell. As you say “winner”. EV is a short term solution to a long term problem, but hey it makes people feel environmentally conscious while still contributing to the problem.

[Tombie]

Break even on cost. Not on impact.
The environmental and human costs of all RAMs etc required far exceeds benefit.

And to move to electric storage - well we simply cannot make enough