Offroad Series LandRover vs '52 Dodge

[goingbush]

When ever I've seen videos of people not being able to negotiate a difficult off road section,
I've always thought to my self , "pffft - I could easily do that in a LandRover "
..... oops


https://youtu.be/4rD98_hzAJM

[V8Ian]

Tyre size and ground clearance was at play there.

[Slunnie]

and articulation considering it had open diffs, where the Landy has torque bias diffs.

[4bee]

When ever I've seen videos of people not being able to negotiate a difficult off road section,
I've always thought to my self , "pffft - I could easily do that in a LandRover "
..... oops


https://youtu.be/4rD98_hzAJM


But you have to admit it ain't horses for courses.[bighmmm]

To me, my 2A 88" (2.25l) is only an aid to going somewhere. I expect to have momentary obstacles & if I don't, so be it. I also have a Capstan Winch on the front to help me if it can.

The Dodge on the other hand is a go to whoa vehicle & designed so it can. Engine, Tyre's, Diffs etc.

Probably one of or the only reason SMA chose them.


You shouldn't be surprised that the Power Wagon actually made it but you can't compare both with each other.

[windsock]

Tyre size and ground clearance was at play there.

Wonder what the ramp-over angle differences are? 88" on 30's and 126" on 35's. I would be surprised if it is much difference.

[350RRC]

Big diff furrow when the series dragged went up. Not there when the Dodge went up.

[goingbush]

and articulation considering it had open diffs, where the Landy has torque bias diffs.

Articulation wasn't an issue here, Landy has been modified with long travel shocks, modified shock mounts & parabolic springs , Dodge has open diffs & Landy has ATB's so that gives it a leg up.

[goingbush]

Big diff furrow when the series dragged went up. Not there when the Dodge went up.

Dodge was about 2 months ago, Landy earlier today. Diff furrow should've made it easier for Landy ?

[goingbush]

Wonder what the ramp-over angle differences are? 88" on 30's and 126" on 35's. I would be surprised if it is much difference.


good idea, I'll find some side photos and measure.
I do know departure angle of Landy is better, but haven't dragged the Dodges bum yet.

Turns out the LR with smaller tyres is better specced on approach, departure and rampover .




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[goingbush]

But you have to admit it ain't horses for courses.[bighmmm]

To me, my 2A 88" (2.25l) is only an aid to going somewhere. I expect to have momentary obstacles & if I don't, so be it. I also have a Capstan Winch on the front to help me if it can.

The Dodge on the other hand is a go to whoa vehicle & designed so it can. Engine, Tyre's, Diffs etc.

Probably one of or the only reason SMA chose them.


You shouldn't be surprised that the Power Wagon actually made it but you can't compare both with each other.

Good point, I do think its why the SMA used them, but wonder why they were never popular outside SMA?

I can compare them directly because I own them both, I always thought Landys were the most capable until I got my Iveco 4x4, but then the Iveco gave me a newfound respect for the reliability of LandRover (yes not a typo)

A fairer comparison would be Iveco vs Dodge as they are dimensionally very similar with the same load range and SOA axles.

[4bee]

Good point, I do think its why the SMA used them, but wonder why they were never popular outside SMA?

I can compare them directly because I own them both, I always thought Landys were the most capable until I got my Iveco 4x4, but then the Iveco gave me a newfound respect for the reliability of LandRover (yes not a typo)

A fairer comparison would be Iveco vs Dodge as they are dimensionally very similar with the same load range and SOA axles.



Another good point. Maybe in those years it may have been limited to who actually needed them & they wouldn't have been an inexpensive vehicle landed in Australia from the U.S


SMA probably wouldn't have paid Sales Tax for instance, but their contractors probably would have if they had purchased them. No idea what that tax would have been back then in circa '52, but somehow 10% rings a bell.

I have a feeling that the PMG of the time used them but cannot be certain & have another feeling that I saw a few (?) in their Plant Park in Currie St Adelaide around that time-ish.

Anyway, it was good to see a PW doing what it was meant to do & a very nice restoration.

[goingbush]

Another good point. Maybe in those years it may have been limited to who actually needed them & they wouldn't have been an inexpensive vehicle landed in Australia from the U.S


SMA probably wouldn't have paid Sales Tax for instance, but their contractors probably would have if they had purchased them. No idea what that tax would have been back then in circa '52, but somehow 10% rings a bell.

I have a feeling that the PMG of the time used them but cannot be certain & have another feeling that I saw a few (?) in their Plant Park in Currie St Adelaide around that time-ish.

Anyway, it was good to see a PW doing what it was meant to do & a very nice restoration.

I found 2 archive photos of PMG Power Wagons , first one is a later (59-63) LHD import & 2nd is of 55 Aussie assembled RHD Power Wagons (57-58) but unable to find any evidence that they survived or any photos of them on the job.

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[4bee]

I found 2 archive photos of PMG Power Wagons , first one is a later (59-63) LHD import & 2nd is of 55 Aussie assembled RHD Power Wagons (57-58) but unable to find any evidence that they survived or any photos of them on the job.

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So maybe I was correct then? If they were there, wherever there may be, then they were probably distributed in most States for the same work function?

[JDNSW]

I expect the Dodges were very expensive compared to Landrovers, and suffered from lack of dealer support, so they were only used where considered absolutely necessary. I do not recall them as anything except very rare. For most users, a more attractive vehicle would have been disposals Blitzes, either Ford or Chev. These were plentiful and cheap, and parts were as well.

[V8Ian]

So maybe I was correct then? If they were there, wherever there may be, then they were probably distributed in most States for the same work function?
There's architecture looks more Queensland than South Australia, not to say each state didn't receive an allocation.

[350RRC]

There's architecture looks more Queensland than South Australia, not to say each state didn't receive an allocation.

No Stoby poles, or other, in the pics for a definitive answer.

Post covid A/C seems to have been in use back then.

DL

[V8Ian]

No Stoby poles, or other, in the pics for a definitive answer.

Post covid A/C seems to have been in use back then.

DL
I was thinking no low set, sandstone block buildings. [smilebigeye]

[350RRC]

I was thinking no low set, sandstone block buildings. [smilebigeye]

There's a palm in the second pic, the sun is actually shining on the awnings over the windows, the strange scaff under the windows in the first pic is gone, the shadows from the trucks in the same posi are very different.

Width of the palings suggests abundant cheap timber.

My bet would be Qld. Where's Wally?

DL

[4bee]

There's architecture looks more Queensland than South Australia, not to say each state didn't receive an allocation.




If you are referring to the buildings behind the Dodges, it was taken in a PMG Vehicle Park (think NSW) & a series or links of images were posted on AULRO by a member but can't recall his name but if he still visits & reads this post I'm sure he will put his hand up. At a rough guess it would have been approx 5 years ago but time can be an elusive thing.

I also understood the buildings probably belonged to to the ADMIN or whatever of the Vehicle Park.


He posted a whole series of images or a link of what was then the 50 or so PMG Special Purpose Vehicles in that Park. I do not know if he was employed by them or dug them up online because he had an interest in them. Just have to wait & see now, not that it is relevant any longer just interesting.

[V8Ian]

More likely the PMG bloke was skiving off at home all day, whilst booking his hours out to a job in the bush. [tonguewink]

[4bee]

More likely the PMG bloke was skiving off at home all day, whilst booking his hours out to a job in the bush. [tonguewink]



Found this which sort of sounds a tad familiar, certainly his name does. " McDairmid" Not all the images, just this one for now.

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[4bee]

Colin Mc diarmid PMG images - Google Search


PS. You may be excused for thinking some of those images are of Colin Firth but you'd be wrong. They are of me taken by er'indoors.
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[350RRC]

There's another palm tree in one of those pics.

Maybe it's in PNG and they ran out of M's. [biggrin]

DL

[JDNSW]

The changes to the building, and the dead vines on the barbed wire in one and not the other suggest there is at least a year between the pictures. The sun in one picture is close to directly overhead, strongly suggesting as far north as southern Queensland (or possibly somewhere up the coast from Perth, but the relatively large buildings and paved road and date combination make that unlikely). The weatherboard building counts SA out. My guess is Brisbane or possibly even Rocky.

[4bee]

The changes to the building, and the dead vines on the barbed wire in one and not the other suggest there is at least a year between the pictures. The sun in one picture is close to directly overhead, strongly suggesting as far north as southern Queensland (or possibly somewhere up the coast from Perth, but the relatively large buildings and paved road and date combination make that unlikely). The weatherboard building counts SA out. My guess is Brisbane or possibly even Rocky.


Here you go, feast your blinkers on these beauties. Mainly NSW it appears, the above yard could be Lidcombe but others are mentioned. Pages i-4. Total images; 397

PMG Engineering Vehicles | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151495594@N04/albums/72157681336405820/page3/)