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DoubleChevron

31st January 2022, 08:49 PM

well we have had the twin cab ute thread .... How about a small fun reasonably priced car thread. Boss womens cars getting long in the tooth .... and a small run-about would probably be ideal (with one kid able to get there 'P' plates later this year and another able to get "L"s at about the same time).... Anyway, I was having a quick look around ... and what jumped out at me was the Citroen DS3 .... 1.6litre turbo charged car with 6spd manual gearbox. you could get one with low kms from the last decade for around $12,000 ......... They aren't as fast as a lot of the hot hatches ... but still as fast as a lot of supercars from the 70s' .......

then I found out about the issues with that 1.6litre motor .... .urggghhhhh..... Well that rules out the mini as well then .... and the poogoes with that 1.6 litre turbo petrol.

She'd like a Mustang ... but those thing have gone up in value rather than down by the looks of it over the last two years. What are other peoples thoughts on a small fun car ?

seeya
Shane L.
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Vern

31st January 2022, 08:50 PM

GTI golf

Gav 110

31st January 2022, 08:52 PM

Probably hard to find but what about a Hillman Hunter GT???
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

goingbush

31st January 2022, 09:05 PM

I know a PT Cruiser in Melbourne if you like. not advertised yet but its about to outlive its usefulness.

I moved mine on to a grand daughter because she wanted to learn manual . Love them or hate them Its a really good strong fun car, but AC stopped working, I fixed the usual issues of faulty water pump , timing belt that scare most mechanics , and put on a reco head and new clutch.

350RRC

31st January 2022, 09:22 PM

How far back do you want to go?

Honda Prelude, even with 300 thou country miles. GoKart on roids.

The one with the pop up lights, silver, noice. Hits 180 without you even noticing.

Or a GTI Golf or the latest Ford equivalent.

Porsche 928............. was offered one of those, black, manual for 5k once, .....shoulda [bighmmm].

DL

BradC

31st January 2022, 09:29 PM

Mum has a 2005 Golf V bog standard 1.9 tdi with a 6 speed box. I certainly rate it and it can be fun to drive if you give it a bit of stick.

jerryd

31st January 2022, 10:32 PM

Probably hard to find but what about a Hillman Hunter GT???
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Good luck with that [bighmmm]

carsales.com.au (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1970-hillman-hunter-manual/SSE-AD-12208221/?Cr=0)

V8Ian

31st January 2022, 11:10 PM

Good luck with that [bighmmm]

carsales.com.au (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1970-hillman-hunter-manual/SSE-AD-12208221/?Cr=0)
Bargain, but probably not P/L plate friendly if it's good for 40,694 mph. :eek2: [bigwhistle]

3toes

31st January 2022, 11:18 PM

What about a modern mini? Plenty in the range with go faster options and even a convertible. They have been around for longer than you think and there are bargains to be had in the earlier ones

Check that you fit though if looking at the first generation were a bit tight in the drivers seat space with my knees finding it a challenge to enter and exit. There was more room in the original mini but that is progress

Fattima

1st February 2022, 06:10 AM

If you don't need more than two seats an MX5 would be my pick. Early ones have jumped up in price.

Pre Covid I picked up a 2009 Polo 1.9 TDI for Helen, only had 46,000 on the clock. This thing is a hoot to drive, handling is OK but the amount of torque in such a small car is great. Really good economy out of the thing at about 5 litres per 100. We bought it to teach the boys to drive manual and as a cheap commuter.

Saitch

1st February 2022, 07:09 AM

x2, the MX5. BIL has one and while not a rubber burning, 0-100 in nanoseconds type vehicle, it's a hoot to drive.
More fun than his son's Toyobaru 86.

loanrangie

1st February 2022, 07:24 AM

Yeah MX-5 would be my pick or a mini 2.0, plenty of aftermarket gear for both if you want to spruce it up.

DoubleChevron

1st February 2022, 08:44 AM

Some interesting ideas there. I'd never thought of a PT cruiser for example. I probably should say it needs to be from the last decade. Doesn't the mini use the same 1.6 turbo petrol as the DS3 (so is quite problematic ? ).

MX5's are very popular ................... Popular and reasonably priced motoring usually don't live together sadly :(

seeya,
shane L.

towe0609

1st February 2022, 10:17 AM

I don't know much about them, but a friend as an OPC Opel and seems to think there is great value because brand not well known or sought after in Australia

For example, and Opel Performance Centre Astra -

carsales.com.au (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/opel/astra/opc-badge/)

3toes

1st February 2022, 10:20 AM

The mini used a Chrysler engine until about 10 years ago then changed to the joint BMW designed engine. The engine is used in most BMW 4 cylinder cars.

Most design was BMW with PSA providing production facilities. This was due to their existing petrol engines being in need of replacement and PSA did not have the cash to design. Similar reason why they use Ford Diesel engines and their small cars are rebadged Toyota

You need to remember things were bleak at the time with the only profitable part of the business being their logistics division and that was sold off to raise the cash to keep trading

grey_ghost

1st February 2022, 10:20 AM

Suzuki swift..

ramblingboy42

1st February 2022, 11:37 AM

yeah , I think Suzuki Swift is a real surprise package in small cars. Ask any young girl who owns one.

My daughter bought a Suzuki Boleno a few years ago....what an amazing , quiet , economical , comfortable and practical car it is.

My wife almost bought one in lieu of a Subaru XV.....same size cars....

PhilipA

1st February 2022, 01:37 PM

OK I will say a Honda Jazz.
I have had 3 with the first 2 written off, one by hail and one when it was parked.
Currently we have a 2018 /2019 Model)
The Ivtec sings to 6500/7000 yet has buckets of torque.
Good points
bulletproof
ultra reliable
Loads of junk space in the back.
They are really a small van and my wife fits in 2 sets of golf clubs and 2 buggies when she takes someone else. back is longer than a i30 with the seats down.
Quite good handling limited by tyres
does 6.9 L per 100Km around our hilly area.( not as economical as the old 2006 without the I on vtec which used to get high 5s_)
Honda have amazing back up. Got recall a few years ago on my 2006 for window controls and of course airbags. I find it hard to imagine Land Rover doing recall on say 2009 car now.
Lowest loading height of any hatchback and doors open to 90degrees
Bad points
Can have noisy ride. suggest stock tyres not mags and Low profile tyres
Noisy on expressway at 110Kmh at 4000RPM
No carplay, but screen does say apple map directions.( VtiL has carplay AFAIK)

6 Month services at $210 (Mine has a 5 year warranty, including the battery! so I get dealer service but really simple to do oil change etc.)

My only problem is a pulsating brake pedal which is warped discs, and I bought the car as a Honda Australia fleet car at 12KK , but it doesn't concern my wife in the slightest.( Brembo discs are only $90!!! so soon to come)

Look IMHO generally women love utility and practicality in a car more than anything and they love to cart copious junk around. My wife drove an MX5 regularly a few years ago and she said what fun but I wouldn't want one.
With your RRC and froggy crap you would love a low maintenance car. I know I do.
Regards PhilipA

Arapiles

1st February 2022, 05:05 PM

Skoda - Rapid or Fabia. Including the Fabia wagon, which reminds me of the Renault 12 wagon.

Saitch

1st February 2022, 06:26 PM

Lada Niva perhaps?
176730

PhilipA

1st February 2022, 08:34 PM

Lada Niva perhaps?

Now we are getting ridiculous!
Fiat tech built by Russians . What could go wrong?
Regards PhilipA

350RRC

1st February 2022, 09:32 PM

Now we are getting ridiculous!
Fiat tech built by Russians . What could go wrong?
Regards PhilipA

If they were around today with proper QC and the bare minimum ADR's they'd sell like hotcakes.

DL

jerryd

2nd February 2022, 12:10 AM

If they were around today with proper QC and the bare minimum ADR's they'd sell like hotcakes.

DL

Just make sure it has air con because the heaters do not turn off [bighmmm] and they do sell like hot cakes [wink11]

Here's a pic of my old one without the puddle !!

V8Ian

2nd February 2022, 01:37 AM

Just make sure it has air con because the heaters do not turn off [bighmmm] and they do sell like hot cakes [wink11]

Here's a pic of my old one without the puddle !!
If that was an mp4, you'd see it thrashing about.

NavyDiver

2nd February 2022, 06:15 AM

PhilipA

2nd February 2022, 07:34 AM

Nivas are around today except their name is Suzuki Jimny.

Regards PhilipA

Saitch

2nd February 2022, 07:38 AM

Nivas are around today except their name is Suzuki Jimny.

Regards PhilipA

Nothing wrong with a Jimny, except for internal space. I'd have one as a vehicle for solo beach trips any day.

jerryd

2nd February 2022, 08:10 AM

fiat abarth 595- saw one beside me with a gent with a HUGE grin on his face Whoops just saw the price! Perhaps the 500[biggrin]

I was going to suggest one of these [bigsmile1] the maddest car on the planet, I owned one briefly but swmbo (back then) said no [bighmmm]

I sold it to a sensible young lad who drove off with the biggest grin on his face

NavyDiver

2nd February 2022, 08:20 AM

I was going to suggest one of these [bigsmile1] the maddest car on the planet, I owned one briefly but swmbo (back then) said no [bighmmm]

I sold it to a sensible young lad who drove off with the biggest grin on his face

Noticed two more this morning. Both had a perma grin planted squarely on their faces [thumbsupbig] They are quirky as in a good way I think.

DoubleChevron

2nd February 2022, 09:09 AM

I was going to suggest one of these [bigsmile1] the maddest car on the planet, I owned one briefly but swmbo (back then) said no [bighmmm]

I sold it to a sensible young lad who drove off with the biggest grin on his face

Oh .... now that is something I hadn't thought of .... a little 1.4 petrol turbo ... proper gearbox. Could be a lot of fun. there isn't even a 4door version now I've just checked (pity they jacked it up in a stupid attempt to compete with the "SUV" market that every middle aged women seems to want).

I might see if there is one for sale locally to go and have a look at.

jerryd

2nd February 2022, 09:22 AM

Oh .... now that is something I hadn't thought of .... a little 1.4 petrol turbo ... proper gearbox. Could be a lot of fun. there isn't even a 4door version now I've just checked (pity they jacked it up in a stupid attempt to compete with the "SUV" market that every middle aged women seems to want).

I might see if there is one for sale locally to go and have a look at.

This is the one to own but hefty price tag [biggrin]

Abarth 695 Tributo Ferrari 2011 Review | CarsGuide (https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/fiat-abarth-695-tributo-ferrari-review-11089)

.....But then the road clears and goes twisty, I tickle the Sport button and go manual on the changes, and the Bambino goes ballistic. Suddenly I discover the first - whisper it - Fiat 500 that I genuinely enjoy driving, and enjoy even more than the RenaultSport models in the Megane lineup. It's a car that really goes, really feels wrapped around you, and really shows its Abarth heritage. It has plenty of punch, tenacious cornering grip, and great brakes. It's a balanced package and, despite a bit of turbo lag, it's a car that wants you to play. And the sound. There hasn't been this much pop, bang, crackle and fizz since the early-model Subaru STI, and that makes it even more fun. [bigsmile]

DoubleChevron

2nd February 2022, 09:54 AM

This is the one to own but hefty price tag [biggrin]

Abarth 695 Tributo Ferrari 2011 Review | CarsGuide (https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/fiat-abarth-695-tributo-ferrari-review-11089)

.....But then the road clears and goes twisty, I tickle the Sport button and go manual on the changes, and the Bambino goes ballistic. Suddenly I discover the first - whisper it - Fiat 500 that I genuinely enjoy driving, and enjoy even more than the RenaultSport models in the Megane lineup. It's a car that really goes, really feels wrapped around you, and really shows its Abarth heritage. It has plenty of punch, tenacious cornering grip, and great brakes. It's a balanced package and, despite a bit of turbo lag, it's a car that wants you to play. And the sound. There hasn't been this much pop, bang, crackle and fizz since the early-model Subaru STI, and that makes it even more fun. [bigsmile]

Oh yeah, I have been looking around at the meganes too. my sister has one ... I know a couple of people with them. I'd like the 2litre turbo not the smaller one, but the price certainly spirals when you get into the faster models :)

Prices for used cars are a bit crazy at the moment, so I'll just keep my eye on whats around for a bit I think.

jerryd

2nd February 2022, 06:22 PM

Oh yeah, I have been looking around at the meganes too. my sister has one ... I know a couple of people with them. I'd like the 2litre turbo not the smaller one, but the price certainly spirals when you get into the faster models :)

Prices for used cars are a bit crazy at the moment, so I'll just keep my eye on whats around for a bit I think.

I've yet to sneak this into the shed [bigwhistle] currently hiding at a friends place

Saitch

2nd February 2022, 06:34 PM

I've yet to sneak this into the shed [bigwhistle] currently hiding at a friends place

Hmmm, armed with the above information, I'm thinking that I should get a VERY REASONABLE QUOTE for our laundry reno, Jerry, if you get my drift? [biggrin]

jerryd

2nd February 2022, 10:37 PM

Hmmm, armed with the above information, I'm thinking that I should get a VERY REASONABLE QUOTE for our laundry reno, Jerry, if you get my drift? [biggrin]

Doesn't table 8 have rules Steve :rulez:

ramblingboy42

3rd February 2022, 08:57 AM

FisherX

3rd February 2022, 09:32 AM

The most smiles for miles car I've had was a Holden/Opel Calibra 2.0L 5spd.

Man that thing was fun to drive.

DoubleChevron

3rd February 2022, 10:07 AM

I've yet to sneak this into the shed [bigwhistle] currently hiding at a friends place

That's just cruel .... that's not a modern ****box.... that's right up my alley :) Certainly not a modern daily driver :D

DoubleChevron

3rd February 2022, 10:26 AM

Well I'm a bit dumbfounded ..... Today the boss women walked into my office and asked me why don't I drive the CX anymore..... "the tyres are ancient and heavily perished .... and it needs 1001 small jobs, I haven't finished fitting both new tierods, the heater box is still out" ...... You know, its an average DoubleChevron car .... it runs and drives, but its been dismantled to "someday" fix everything for years now https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/images/af_smilies/clown.gif

Well she was just hanging out the washing and was looking at one of the parts CX's .... and could see the turbos tail end through the door of the shed that's over beside the cloths line..... And she thought "Well that's a lot nicer and more fun than the cars we are looking at" .....

Have I gone to some weird alternate world https://www.aulro.com/afvb/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 She thinks I should just spend some time and money on the CX and we can start driving that.

you know, if she wants a fun, fast'ish car to drive .... I really can't fault her reasoning. That tired old rat infested CX ... is one hell of a car to drive (as anyone that's driven one will know). If she's serious, I might just throw it back onto full registration and we'll worry about finding a modern 407 replacement in a couple of years time when the used car market cools down a bit. because realistically into the future the CX is going to become a "weekend" type car, its too old and rare to be used as a daily driver.

I was thinking the CX wouldn't really be driven to any extent untiil the ****box range rovers serious drinking habits become to expensive to upkeep.

Oh you guys probably don't know what "CX" is. The old rat infested ****box is a 1985 Citroen CX2500 GTi Turbo. My father imported it from the UK back in 1995.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=176761&d=1643847877

it looks like this ... but has 10years more battle scars around its body.

Saitch

3rd February 2022, 01:48 PM

Well I'm a bit dumbfounded ..... Today the boss women walked into my office and asked me why don't I drive the CX anymore..... "the tyres are ancient and heavily perished .... and it needs 1001 small jobs, I haven't finished fitting both new tierods, the heater box is still out" ...... You know, its an average DoubleChevron car .... it runs and drives, but its been dismantled to "someday" fix everything for years now https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/images/af_smilies/clown.gif

Well she was just hanging out the washing and was looking at one of the parts CX's .... and could see the turbos tail end through the door of the shed that's over beside the cloths line..... And she thought "Well that's a lot nicer and more fun than the cars we are looking at" .....

Have I gone to some weird alternate world https://www.aulro.com/afvb/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 She thinks I should just spend some time and money on the CX and we can start driving that.

you know, if she wants a fun, fast'ish car to drive .... I really can't fault her reasoning. That tired old rat infested CX ... is one hell of a car to drive (as anyone that's driven one will know). If she's serious, I might just throw it back onto full registration and we'll worry about finding a modern 407 replacement in a couple of years time when the used car market cools down a bit. because realistically into the future the CX is going to become a "weekend" type car, its too old and rare to be used as a daily driver.

I was thinking the CX wouldn't really be driven to any extent untiil the ****box range rovers serious drinking habits become to expensive to upkeep.

Oh you guys probably don't know what "CX" is. The old rat infested ****box is a 1985 Citroen CX2500 GTi Turbo. My father imported it from the UK back in 1995.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/general-chat/176761d1643847877-small-fun-car-manual-gearbox-cit-in07012.jpg

it looks like this ... but has 10years more battle scars around its body.

I had a drive of a CX in the late 80's. A mate of mine worked at the Citroen dealership at Bowen Hills, in Brissie.
I remember being somewhat suitably impressed by the vehicle! Not that I gave it a workout or anything![bigwhistle][biggrin]

DoubleChevron

3rd February 2022, 02:12 PM

I had a drive of a CX in the late 80's. A mate of mine worked at the Citroen dealership at Bowen Hills, in Brissie.
I remember being somewhat suitably impressed by the vehicle! Not that I gave it a workout or anything![bigwhistle][biggrin]

Most people couldn't drive them.

I think the dealers used to say "take it for a few days for a test drive" .... as people couldnt' just jump in and drive them easily. think along the lines of:

--brakes ... there is a pedal, but all it does is press on a hydraulic valve. Stamp on it like everyone would and you better hope there was no-one following close behind. Absolutely fabulous and extremely powerful once you learn to caress them with your big toe ..
--people couldn't steer the things
--the indicators didn't cancel
--you have to crawl into the car thats sitting on its belly and wait for it to lift.
--smog pumps and "semi-automatics" made it a dog of a thing until it all fell off. The importers were importing a model that was a manual gearbox, but with a torque converter. So you had to change gears even though there was no clutch ( I used to think they were dumb and tear them out to fit a proper manual. These days I think they just add to the appeal of the things).

back then you had local cars with 4 turns lock to lock of the steering wheel.... even cars with power steering had lots of turns .... and here's the CX in 1975 .... with diravi steering. There is no mechanical connection between the steering wheel and front wheels while the motor is running as its fully powered hydraulic steering. Its 2.5 turns lock to lock ... self centers strongly, and will center if you let go of the steering wheel. At parking speeds its light as a feather, at speed its heavy.

These days poeple are much happier to drive them as nearly all cars have direct power steering so the difference isn't great. Rose coloured glasses aside, they are a a fabulous old car ... but they are still an old car, with normal "old car" type issues. ie: the ventilation is terrible, the A/C is garbage (and was when the cars were new). They rusted just like most cars of there era, the interiors melt and disintegrate in our sun etc....

We never got the petrol turbo cars here like this one. For there time they were quick'ish for a European car ( 0-100 in 7.5 -> 8.5seconds depending on who you want to believe... personally I think there was a big variation in the wastegate adjustments that would explain the differences listed all over the place). A quick fiddle with the wastegate will get you around 200hp with no other changes... but all you'll do is smoke the clutch, so I've never touched mine. there is little effort in getting upto 250hp with the tuning companies in the UK. but I've never really seen the point. These hp figure sound pathetic in this day and age, but cars were light back then... a full sized family sedan was about 1250kgs.... and being a turbo'd petrol motor there is huge torque ( ~ 300Nm from the factory).

They are more of a high speed cruiser. er, "I've heard" [bigwhistle] [bigwhistle] they feel much the same cruising at 220km/h as they do at 110k/h .... only the trees and white lines blur past much more quickly.

Saitch

3rd February 2022, 03:38 PM

Ah, yes, I remember the steering, but I can't remember too much trouble with the brakes. Perhaps my mate had warned me?
Around the same time, I also drove a Saab 900 turbo, from the same dealer and there was another vehicle a little different from what was mainly on offer in those days.

jerryd

3rd February 2022, 06:58 PM

That's just cruel .... that's not a modern ****box.... that's right up my alley :) Certainly not a modern daily driver :D

[bigsmile1] Right up my alley too, 190bhp at the rear wheels, just had to say yes when a friend offered me first refusal. Just haven't confessed yet [bigwhistle]

If you restore the Citreon it will be money well spent.

PhilipA

3rd February 2022, 07:53 PM

DoubleChevron

3rd February 2022, 08:26 PM

This will make you cream your jeans

https://scontent.fsyd11-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/603990_638761946139311_269529597_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=yLuQQ96wZZcAX_FfbP8&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd11-1.fna&oh=00_AT-UPkFBFxupkFftQvYOuZWWX55Sb3E1Xf_S-ud79jLQpQ&oe=621FA59F

Jim Reddiex was a good bloke . I used to have a chat with him when we were on motor show stands.
Regards PhilipA

That's actually not a CX .... Its a GS. Those things are fabulous little cars. The motors are little screamers good for about 8000rpm.... air cooled flat fours. They aren't fast, but handle like you wouldn't believe on there little cheese cutters. The only car I've ever managed to push into 4 wheel drifts easily .... again and again on greasy roads. I haven't drive/owned one in years as they are air cooled and my wife is an asthmatic .... air cooled cars and asthmatics don't go together. As your ventilation/heater is warmed air from the engine bay where the engine leaks and exhaust leaks are [bighmmm]

I've never met Jim Reddix ... but I'm pretty sure he is responsible for Citroen existing at all in Australia through the 70's and 80's. Without him they would have dissappear back in the 60's .... never to be seen again most likely (like a lot of other manufactures).

DoubleChevron

3rd February 2022, 08:31 PM

Tyrells classic cars did quite a nice review on the CX a year or so back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMh1AlIbbs4

He's not a Citroen Specialist, so some of what he says it simply wrong .... but very nicely done by someone that is passionate about old cars.

while your there .... have a look at his channel. I haven't watched most of it as I'm not really interested in exotics.

But .........

Tyrrell's Classic Workshop - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/c/TyrrellsClassicWorkshop/videos)

Have a look at the Rover SD1 ... and Citroen SM ... And Jensen FF videos.... and of course the Jag V12 and Dodge challenger videos. The other exotics aren't something I've watched yet.... But I'll get to them :)

Arapiles

5th February 2022, 10:54 PM

DoubleChevron

8th February 2022, 12:51 PM

OK, so this isn't a manual but I had a basic version of this and it was a scream around town.

This is the spiritual successor to the Mitsubishi Minica Dangan ZZ.

http://www.j-spec.com.au/lineup/Suzuki/Alto/HA36/id-ZBK

Featured 2017 Suzuki Alto Turbo RS at J-Spec Imports (http://www.j-spec.com.au/featured/2017-Suzuki-Alto-Turbo_RS-18183.html)

Now that is what I think would be a fun little car .... How did you know that would appeal ?? I wonder if its as much fun to drive at the 602cc Citroen 2cv [bigrolf]

Colmoore

8th February 2022, 01:39 PM

Just make sure it has air con because the heaters do not turn off [bighmmm] and they do sell like hot cakes [wink11]

Here's a pic of my old one without the puddle !!

Ooohh nice TC MG there!
My old man had a yellow TC, a black TD and a red TF; all many moons ago unfortunately

Colmoore

8th February 2022, 01:41 PM

Nothing wrong with a Jimny, except for internal space. I'd have one as a vehicle for solo beach trips any day.

For sure, they look like a little Deefer I reckon. Capable off road too.
I’m trying to coach my 15 yr old daughter into getting one in a couple of years……..

Colmoore

8th February 2022, 01:55 PM

the big restrictor here is "fun"

I don't think there has been a real affordable fun car in the last 20 yrs.

most small manual cars in last 20 yrs have been derrr/duh.

I think all options have been exploited in all the above posts.

I disagree, 2nd hand Subaru Impreza’s (although maybe not classed as small?) from 15 - 20 yrs ago handle nicely, go ok and are strong, pretty safe and reliable I’ve found. Definitely fun to drive.

Like Landrover’s, they need maintaining but not overly much.
Also like Landrover’s, they’re under powered, which may be fine/best for the kids? I sold my last one about 5 years ago to a P plater; it had 420k kms on and still went well, no smoke and it’s still getting around!

if you want proper go, and proper fun, get the WRX and better still, the STI, if it’s in your budget! P platers can’t have em though and if your Mrs drives gently they will need the cobwebs blown out regularly, but I wouldn’t have thought that would be an issue….

DoubleChevron

8th February 2022, 03:27 PM

I disagree, 2nd hand Subaru Impreza’s (although maybe not classed as small?) from 15 - 20 yrs ago handle nicely, go ok and are strong, pretty safe and reliable I’ve found. Definitely fun to drive.

Like Landrover’s, they need maintaining but not overly much.
Also like Landrover’s, they’re under powered, which may be fine/best for the kids? I sold my last one about 5 years ago to a P plater; it had 420k kms on and still went well, no smoke and it’s still getting around!

if you want proper go, and proper fun, get the WRX and better still, the STI, if it’s in your budget! P platers can’t have em though and if your Mrs drives gently they will need the cobwebs blown out regularly, but I wouldn’t have thought that would be an issue….

This is going to sound really dumb .... But outright performance isn't my idea of a "fun" car ... though it is fun. You see .... The "funnest" car around here to drive is a Citroen 2cv... If you don't know what one is .... think a weird looking upside down umbrella that's pretending to be a car ... massively long travel suspension .... ludicrous bodyroll.... A "whole" 602cc of throbbing 2cylinder performance ... you might even have 25hp on tap if its a good day. Yet you'll find yourself absolutely beating it to death ... corning on the doorhandles .... tyres falling over onto there sidewalls around corners .... With the most crazed ridiculous grin on your face the entire time.

I've done drivedays and driven a Lamborghini, ferrari, lotus .... driven WRX's, and other cars that are fast. Well I loved the ferrari ... just incredible ... what a vehicle, the lambo with 4wd, stupid paddle shift and endless performance would bore me to tears in seconds. The WRX was much the same, its tremendously capable ... but boring as bat **** (not to mention laggy as hell.... then holy **** crash into the back of what's infront). And old V8 commonbore I could slide around corners when the mood takes me would be way more fun (but also suddenly crazy expensive these days).

Anything that people consider a "real" performance car, I'm not a good enough driver to be able to have fun in . I'd be just like a bug splattered over the landscape the first time they stepped out on me [bigwhistle]

PhilipA

8th February 2022, 03:50 PM

There was a 2CV trip to the Tip of Cape York several years ago and AFAIR about a dozen took part, several from overseas.
As I was driving south past the Port Macquarie turnoff I came up to one on the highway.
I was doing 110 towing my camper trailer with my 91RRC and passed it. On the next downhill it actually passed me doing about 115 I guess flat chat and then dropped back on the next uphill with flapping half driver's window and all.
Good effort for a 602CC.
Speaking of that reminded me of the Honda N600G that I had many many years ago.
It was ex PNG .
As the sports version of the N360, It had 600CC of throbbing twin that rattled its roller crank on idle like it was going to blow apart at any time.

It would do about 90Mph and I used to scare the **** out of fellow Ford employees when we would run up to the Kalkallo pub at lunchtime, as there was a big hill on the way back when she used to get up to over 90 maybe 100 with doors flapping. ( the speedo flapped around so much you couldn't tell)
The heater was a crude sleeve over the cylinders so in Melbourne it had to go, so we gave it to my wife's cousin a sister of mercy in Adelaide who drove it trouble free for another 10 years.
I think that that was the most fun small car that I ever had.
Regards PhilipA
Speaking of manual gearbox it had a constant mesh dog clutch gearbox with the shifter sticking out of the dash. Lightning changes.

DoubleChevron

8th February 2022, 08:35 PM

gromit

9th February 2022, 05:50 AM

I never owned a 2CV when I lived in the UK but was going to buy one to build a Lomax 3-wheeler.
After years of motorcycling the lack of a roof didn't worry me, being on 3-wheels in snow & ice appealed. Instead I used a P&M Panther with a Watsonian Palma sidecar.

Lomax (kit car) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomax_(kit_car))

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Colin

Saitch

9th February 2022, 07:36 AM

In '05 I met Rupert, a young, pommy bloke, at the Pentecost crossing of the Gibb River Road. He was waiting for some one in a fourbie to accompany him across, as the water was a bit deeper than he wanted. (He did it, no worries)

He had driven from the UK, across Europe, down through Africa, shipped the vehicle to Perth and was in the process of an Oz circumnavigation. He'd just completed the Savannah Way and was heading to Broome via the Gibb and then back to Perth and home to UK.

Not a lot of bling there.[wink11]

Photo is at 'Home Valley' station, from memory.

176902

DoubleChevron

9th February 2022, 08:59 AM

I never owned a 2CV when I lived in the UK but was going to buy one to build a Lomax 3-wheeler.
After years of motorcycling the lack of a roof didn't worry me, being on 3-wheels in snow & ice appealed. Instead I used a P&M Panther with a Watsonian Palma sidecar.

Lomax (kit car) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomax_(kit_car))

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Colin

There is a few lomaxs in australia. They often have BMW flat twins fitted to lift the performance a little :)

gromit

9th February 2022, 03:21 PM

There is a few lomaxs in australia. They often have BMW flat twins fitted to lift the performance a little :)

Another one I looked at was the Triking based on a Moto Guzzi
Triking - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triking)

Bonus in the UK was that you could drive 3-wheelers on a motorcycle licence. Early on you had to blank off reverse gear (if fitted) to comply but then as large bikes were introduced with reverse gear that was dropped.

Colin

V8Ian

9th February 2022, 04:09 PM

Land Rover and Guzzi? Talk about glutton for punishment. [biggrin]

gromit

9th February 2022, 08:43 PM

Land Rover and Guzzi? Talk about glutton for punishment. [biggrin]

Never had a Moto Guzzi, Lambretta scooters, lots of different British bikes then a Ducati 900SS.
Land Rovers started soon after I came to Australia. In the UK I had Austin Somersets, Hillman Imps, a Sunbeam Stilleto and best of all.....a series of fully maintained company cars then a Renault 21 Savannah, a Renault Espace then finally a Golf Gti company car.

Best thing about company cars is that they go faster in any gear than a privately owned model, faster in reverse, faster over speed bumps, maintenance is optional, they don't need cleaning.....you get the idea............

Colin

Woolly

10th February 2022, 09:20 PM

ramblingboy42

11th February 2022, 08:23 AM

PhilipA

11th February 2022, 09:42 AM

Hi Shane, the British and European car show is on at Yarra Glen on 20th Feb.
The suggestions here are now getting weird, but in the spirit of weirdness here are a couple more.
Dolomite Sprint. ( I am sure that there are owners who would gladly sell)
Escort 2.0 litre.
I had one which I built as a company car in Ford for a short time. 2door red, 2000 manual, sports suspension, rally pack.
Handled well and went OK with all emission gear on it. With the emission gear off they were fast. ( have discounted Twin cams and RS 1600s and even RS2000 as they are now worth stratosphere money.
Regards PhilipA

DoubleChevron

11th February 2022, 01:49 PM

seeing this thread has been shot to pieces I will add a little to one of my all time favourite fun cars.

it was a Fiat 850 Sports Coupe , stuck to the road like **** to a blanket , the little 850cc engine just revved its guts out with wonderful noises and the thing would do near as dammit to 100mph.

used to hurl it.....that's how you drove it....up and down the Adelaide hills roads in the mid 70's , those of you who knew those roads then know how much I enjoyed myself.

It can't be helped. Asking people to suggest "fun" modern cars is an exercise in futility ... Either the thread would die on the first message.... Or we'd talk about fun cars ... that aren't modern [bigrolf] [bigrolf]

jerryd

11th February 2022, 05:48 PM

seeing this thread has been shot to pieces I will add a little to one of my all time favourite fun cars.

it was a Fiat 850 Sports Coupe , stuck to the road like **** to a blanket , the little 850cc engine just revved its guts out with wonderful noises and the thing would do near as dammit to 100mph.

used to hurl it.....that's how you drove it....up and down the Adelaide hills roads in the mid 70's , those of you who knew those roads then know how much I enjoyed myself.

There was one advertised last week on facebook for $5k [smilebigeye] it was a very solid easy project, sold within hours !!

DoubleChevron

11th February 2022, 06:30 PM

Hi Shane, the British and European car show is on at Yarra Glen on 20th Feb. If you had the time and inclination you could go along and suss out a lot of cars that people think are fun and interesting, and check out pros and cons talking to the owners. Just an idea.
Cheers,
Woolly.

We'll see, things are just crazy around my place at the moment. I've got two kids with jobs ... so I'm a taxi service when I'm not at work myself. I enjoy the mixed car displays though. Going to "just" french cars or "just" pommy cars events gets old really quickly. you see the same cars and same people all the time. I really enjoy those cars and coffee events ... the staggering variety of cars that turns up defies belief. Where on earth do they all come from [bigrolf][bigrolf]

4runnernomore

13th February 2022, 12:00 PM

Hired. Kia Picanto in a manual last year in Cairns.

was very impressed with the litter jigger. The standard offering was very impressive for a base model and the little jigger handled like it was on rails. Ride quality was pretty good.

im a real Aussie bloke (>120 keg) and I fitted quite comfortably behind the wheel. Easily fitted two people and holiday gear for two weeks ( two suitcases plus all the wife’s extra bags). Should be no issues as a shopping trolley for the wifey. Managed three adults and all our gear heading to the airport.

fun factor rowing the gearbox up the coastal highway to Port Douglas brought out the boy racer factor again and a big smile . Went very well. Can only imagine what the turbo version would be like. The term rocket 🚀 come to mind.

most impressive was fuel usage. Trip from cairns to port Douglas and back and Two days running around Cairns. Filled up for return it took $3. Could not believe it considering I gave it some curry heading up to Port Douglas on the twisty hilly bits of the highway. I’d be more than happy to have one of these in my driveway as a runaround .

lebanon

22nd February 2022, 11:26 PM

The Citroen CX2500 GTi Prestige Turbo 2 is a beast in lamb's clothing .

I had the chance to drive a relative's CX, the comfort it offers is equal to none till these days. Yet when you need the cavalry it is available with that specific turbo punch in the back when it delivers its power.

I must admit that on twisty mountain roads some occupants feel seasickness because of the body movements induced by the hydro-pneumatic suspension.

Would love to own one.

Well I'm a bit dumbfounded ..... Today the boss women walked into my office and asked me why don't I drive the CX anymore..... "the tyres are ancient and heavily perished .... and it needs 1001 small jobs, I haven't finished fitting both new tierods, the heater box is still out" ...... You know, its an average DoubleChevron car .... it runs and drives, but its been dismantled to "someday" fix everything for years now https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/images/af_smilies/clown.gif

Well she was just hanging out the washing and was looking at one of the parts CX's .... and could see the turbos tail end through the door of the shed that's over beside the cloths line..... And she thought "Well that's a lot nicer and more fun than the cars we are looking at" .....

Have I gone to some weird alternate world https://www.aulro.com/afvb/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 She thinks I should just spend some time and money on the CX and we can start driving that.

you know, if she wants a fun, fast'ish car to drive .... I really can't fault her reasoning. That tired old rat infested CX ... is one hell of a car to drive (as anyone that's driven one will know). If she's serious, I might just throw it back onto full registration and we'll worry about finding a modern 407 replacement in a couple of years time when the used car market cools down a bit. because realistically into the future the CX is going to become a "weekend" type car, its too old and rare to be used as a daily driver.

I was thinking the CX wouldn't really be driven to any extent untiil the ****box range rovers serious drinking habits become to expensive to upkeep.

Oh you guys probably don't know what "CX" is. The old rat infested ****box is a 1985 Citroen CX2500 GTi Turbo. My father imported it from the UK back in 1995.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/general-chat/176761d1643847877-small-fun-car-manual-gearbox-cit-in07012.jpg

it looks like this ... but has 10years more battle scars around its body.

DoubleChevron

23rd February 2022, 09:15 AM

1950landy

23rd February 2022, 10:11 AM

If you are after a sporty 2 seater that is fun to drive & reliable you can't go past the early Mazda MX5's / Eunos . They are reliable , nippy & lots of fun to drive . Also when they were designed one of the main stipulations was the boot had to be big enough to be able fit a set of golf clubs in .

lebanon

23rd February 2022, 10:05 PM

Over here we drive on the other side, I still remember that it was purchased as a special order since the agent only brought the Non-prestige model.

It was black with a beige leather interior giving this roomy cab the feeling of being more specious.

On one occasion he had to set the suspension on maximum height to ford a flooded road to the amazement of the stuck drivers.

He sold it many years ago, for him it was the car that gave him the most satisfaction driving it.

Wow .... somoene knows what a Prestige is. They only made I think eight right hand drive prestige turbos. There is several prestiges (non petrol turbo) in australia. IMO the wagons drive and track better than the sedans. And the prestige is on the station wagon floorpan. All the extra length goes into the back door length are rear leg space.

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/e564c885-1986-citroen-cx-25-turbo-bat-48.jpg

Mines a standard non-prestige cars. Easily picked by the shorter back doors.

DoubleChevron

10th October 2022, 11:36 AM

Well we put off buying the boss women a car ..... and we just couldn't find anything that would be a bit of fun .... that wasn't hugely expensive. we ended up buying youngest daughter a little car to learn in as she was very anxious about driving all the big full sized cars here with manual gearboxes.

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A little citroen c2 skitzodrive.... that's only has 58,000km on it from new.... Since its arrived she has gone from 1 hour driving practice to about 80hours. [bigrolf] So the things been magic for her confidence.

Now boss women has finally found a small fun car she'd like ..... Something I'd never have thought of in a million years. She saw one in a carpark and went and asked the owner "what is this car" ....

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Hmmm..... I took one for a drive ... not fast, useless rear seat ... But gee's, what a nice little car to drive.

jonesfam

10th October 2022, 05:49 PM

jerryd

10th October 2022, 06:18 PM

I just purchased this small car with manual gearbox [bigsmile1]

It's a bit of a ''Wolf In Sheep's Clothing'' [bigwhistle]

RANDLOVER

10th October 2022, 06:47 PM

V8 and/or NOS?

DoubleChevron

10th October 2022, 07:02 PM

I have to look at buying #1 son a car.
He has saved up some money but SWMBO has decreed he can only spend half on a car.
I have discovered that there isn't a lot of choice in Curry/Mt Isa but there is an older (late 90's) Subaru Forester for about $5000.
It has a bull bar, is auto, good tyres, A/C & OK interior. Paint is going & it has some minor body damage.
Might do for a first car? We don't want him to have anything flash to damage & drag his grubby mates around in & Subies are AWD & I think pretty reliable.
I will have a look at it if it's still around next time I get down that way.
Jonesfam

You will get tired of looking really quickly. I have a passionate dislike for high milage automatics..... .and everything in this price range is high milage (as when, not if that auto dies .... it will cost far more than the cars market value to repair).

I thought foresters had always been great little cars. Its probably best to find a suburu forum and make sure the model your looking at isn't one to avoid.

ozscott

10th October 2022, 07:21 PM

I just purchased this small car with manual gearbox [bigsmile1]

It's a bit of a ''Wolf In Sheep's Clothing'' [bigwhistle]Wolseley were very cool and sporty. My brother had a 2480 lent itself very well to a very worked 161 Holden motor and 100mph top end...very [emoji191]. Cheers

1950landy

11th October 2022, 08:45 AM

Wolseley were very cool and sporty. My brother had a 2480 lent itself very well to a very worked 161 Holden motor and 100mph top end...very [emoji191]. Cheers

My father bought a new Black Wolseley 24/80 Mk1, always loved that car, performance was quite good, reasonable handling, very comfortable with the leather seats & nice Bur Walnut dash. Would love to own it now. A step up in class from the Holden & Falcon you could buy at the time.

RobMichelle

11th October 2022, 11:27 AM

DoubleChevron

11th October 2022, 02:09 PM

So what is the car please?

Oh, the Poogoe ..... boss women just put a deposit on it .... crazy right?

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its a little poogoe rcz diesel manual. It'll be the one most poeple don't want due to the oil burner .... But that is the thing that caught my eye. It goes remarkably well with 340Nm propelling the little thing down the road. My expectations would I wouldn't like it ..... And I really liked the way it drove. Boss women loved the way it drove ..... as we catapulted down every street she nosed it into [bigrolf] Exactly what she wanted, small, fun, and very frugal.

DiscoMick

14th October 2022, 09:22 AM

That's a nice little car.
My wife loves her Mazda 2. It's nice to drive, utterly reliable and good quality. I can't see her ever parting with it.

scarry

18th October 2022, 06:52 AM

It's nice to drive, utterly reliable and good quality. I can't see her ever parting with it.

Unlike the Mazda BT50 work ute we have,which is a Ford anyway.
More problems than any other work vehicle we have ever had.
We can’t wait to get rid of it,unfortunately.

1950landy

18th October 2022, 08:52 AM

Unlike the Mazda BT50 work ute we have,which is a Ford anyway.
More problems than any other work vehicle we have ever had.
We can’t wait to get rid of it,unfortunately.

We had that problem with our Citroen C4 Executive Diesel, very unreliable we bought new. Every time it went in for service the list was over 12 things wrong from brakes to catalyst converter that kept blocking up & cruise control that would stop working after 3/4hrs of driving. Dealer would just say they couldn't find anything wrong with it. When it came out of warranty, I took it to a local workshop who worked on European cars & it was a different vehicle, but he couldn't fix the Cat problem, so we traded on a new I30 Premium which we have never had a problem with. Never again.

DoubleChevron

18th October 2022, 12:52 PM

We had that problem with our Citroen C4 Executive Diesel, very unreliable we bought new. Every time it went in for service the list was over 12 things wrong from brakes to catalyst converter that kept blocking up & cruise control that would stop working after 3/4hrs of driving. Dealer would just say they couldn't find anything wrong with it. When it came out of warranty, I took it to a local workshop who worked on European cars & it was a different vehicle, but he couldn't fix the Cat problem, so we traded on a new I30 Premium which we have never had a problem with. Never again.

Let me guess... 1.6 clutchless manual. If you get the 2.0 turbo diesel it should have been a very reliable 6spd auto. I only purchased the poogoe above as it had a 6spd manual and a 2.0 HDi (later one with 168hp and 340Nm in a very small car .... its effortlessly quick regardless of the gear it happens to be in.... NOT fast like a full on sports car ... effortless quick). Eg: most sold have a slugomatic and the 1.6 petrol turbo about 160hp ..... not even with a barge pole would I touch one. The later ones are 266hp and actually very fast for a small fwd "sports" car. I still wouldn't touch it would a barge pole, who wants to drive a frenetic, laggy screamer as a "driver". It would be astoundingly fast, but most likely never when you need it if you suddenly need to accelerate for any reason without dropping a bunch of gears and getting the thing up on the boil.

my wifes poogoe 407 has the same motor and gearbox (lower powered version) 2.0 turbo diesel, 6spd manual that is. She has done over 200,000km in it over the last decade. Other than the rare service .... and finally a couple weeks ago a cambelt change ( 50,000km and 5 years overdue) the damn thing just keep going. Both driveshafts have become clattery. My fault, I noticed the boots were split years ago and never replaced. them. The only thing I have done to it in the last 10year is change the flywheel as it went clattery at very low milage (outside the warranty period unfortunately). It seems most manufacturers had problems with there dual mass flywheels around that time.

Like any car, buy the right one and you'll be singing there praises. Buy the wrong model and you'll hate them.

I did have a very close look at Citroen DS3's ..... They all have the 1.6 petrol turbo I have no intension of ever owning (they have to many known issues for my liking). Oh well, we'll see in time. we may end up hating as its an unreliable heap of junk. that'll be fun for future me to figure out :D

Mercguy

18th October 2022, 01:41 PM

Old skool Renault Clio RS Cup 182. In the Gordini livery if you can find one [bigsmile]

Megane 3 RS265 cup - slightly bigger, reliable. I enjoyed ours beyond measure. - an RS250 would be nice - there are some models optioned with comfy electric seats - our trophy 808 came with the full RS spec recaros - which in themselves are surprisingly comfortable - even on interstate trips. More importantly though - driving these cars - the RS cup variants are a totally different experience to the mainstream models. Craie et Reblochon.

and if the service history is there - particularly one by a good independent specialist, (ozrenaultsport.com for list) then you're miles ahead of the game.

Like any euro - proper servicing scheduled intervals and by the book - and problems will rarely manifest themselves. In my experience Dealerships do not follow the service manual sheets.

take one for a test drive. even if you don't buy it, it'll be fun [wink11]

DoubleChevron

18th October 2022, 01:46 PM

1950landy

19th October 2022, 09:44 AM

Let me guess... 1.6 clutchless manual. If you get the 2.0 turbo diesel it should have been a very reliable 6spd auto. I only purchased the poogoe above as it had a 6spd manual and a 2.0 HDi (later one with 168hp and 340Nm in a very small car .... its effortlessly quick regardless of the gear it happens to be in.... NOT fast like a full on sports car ... effortless quick). Eg: most sold have a slugomatic and the 1.6 petrol turbo about 160hp ..... not even with a barge pole would I touch one. The later ones are 266hp and actually very fast for a small fwd "sports" car. I still wouldn't touch it would a barge pole, who wants to drive a frenetic, laggy screamer as a "driver". It would be astoundingly fast, but most likely never when you need it if you suddenly need to accelerate for any reason without dropping a bunch of gears and getting the thing up on the boil.

my wifes poogoe 407 has the same motor and gearbox (lower powered version) 2.0 turbo diesel, 6spd manual that is. She has done over 200,000km in it over the last decade. Other than the rare service .... and finally a couple weeks ago a cambelt change ( 50,000km and 5 years overdue) the damn thing just keep going. Both driveshafts have become clattery. My fault, I noticed the boots were split years ago and never replaced. them. The only thing I have done to it in the last 10year is change the flywheel as it went clattery at very low milage (outside the warranty period unfortunately). It seems most manufacturers had problems with there dual mass flywheels around that time.

Like any car, buy the right one and you'll be singing there praises. Buy the wrong model and you'll hate them.

I did have a very close look at Citroen DS3's ..... They all have the 1.6 petrol turbo I have no intension of ever owning (they have to many known issues for my liking). Oh well, we'll see in time. we may end up hating as its an unreliable heap of junk. that'll be fun for future me to figure out :D

Ours was the 2.0L Diesel 6 speed Auto, I think it could have been decent car if not for the Dealer (only one dealer in Brisbane) who didn't want to do warranty work once out of warranty & we went to independent the car improved out of site. The problem with the Cat clogging up could be fixed for a short period by locking it in 2nd gear & driving it hard for about 2 minutes every 2 weeks & I wasn't prepared to have to do that. The brake problem was there from day one, when in traffic the peddle would go halfway to floor & needed second pump to stop (think the front brakes were overheating due to not releasing properly which eventually warped the discs ) & when I took it in for the end of warranty service with less than 40,000km they told me all the pads & discs needed replacing & was normal wear & tare & I would need to rob the bank to fix them. The cruise control they would not test drive it far enough for it to stop working so would just tell me couldn't fault & when I picked it up only had 5km on clock from when I dropped it off, I even left the car with them for a week while we were away for the week so they could fully test it, within 2hrs of dropping it off they were ringing to tell me the car was ready& I had to pick it up that day, I told them we were in Mackay & wasn't going to fly back to Brisbane just to PU the car. The foam in the front seats started breaking down day one, every time I vacuumed the car, I would find the remains of the foam under the seats. The last straw was the fuel injection hose to injectors started leaking (Day after the end of warranty service) & spraying Diesel on the Exhaust Manifold & I asked them for a Quote to fix it & was told that they had never done one so couldn't give a Quote & would be cost plus. I went to order the part from there S/Parts & was surprised they had the part in stock, the guy told they always have them in stock as the workshop were replacing them every day. We kept the car for a year after it came out of Warranty & got $6,000 for a car that cost $62,000 new 4 years earlier. I once looked up what other people had complained about there C4's & ours had every complaint that others had mentioned, it was probably a lemon. This is why I say never again. I have had only one car that was worse than the C4 & that was a new VB (very bad) Commodore & never bought a GM product after that after 6 previous Holdens.

DoubleChevron

19th October 2022, 01:49 PM

Ours was the 2.0L Diesel 6 speed Auto, I think it could have been decent car if not for the Dealer (only one dealer in Brisbane) who didn't want to do warranty work once out of warranty & we went to independent the car improved out of site. The problem with the Cat clogging up could be fixed for a short period by locking it in 2nd gear & driving it hard for about 2 minutes every 2 weeks & I wasn't prepared to have to do that. The brake problem was there from day one, when in traffic the peddle would go halfway to floor & needed second pump to stop (think the front brakes were overheating due to not releasing properly which eventually warped the discs ) & when I took it in for the end of warranty service with less than 40,000km they told me all the pads & discs needed replacing & was normal wear & tare & I would need to rob the bank to fix them. The cruise control they would not test drive it far enough for it to stop working so would just tell me couldn't fault & when I picked it up only had 5km on clock from when I dropped it off, I even left the car with them for a week while we were away for the week so they could fully test it, within 2hrs of dropping it off they were ringing to tell me the car was ready& I had to pick it up that day, I told them we were in Mackay & wasn't going to fly back to Brisbane just to PU the car. The foam in the front seats started breaking down day one, every time I vacuumed the car, I would find the remains of the foam under the seats. The last straw was the fuel injection hose to injectors started leaking (Day after the end of warranty service) & spraying Diesel on the Exhaust Manifold & I asked them for a Quote to fix it & was told that they had never done one so couldn't give a Quote & would be cost plus. I went to order the part from there S/Parts & was surprised they had the part in stock, the guy told they always have them in stock as the workshop were replacing them every day. We kept the car for a year after it came out of Warranty & got $6,000 for a car that cost $62,000 new 4 years earlier. I once looked up what other people had complained about there C4's & ours had every complaint that others had mentioned, it was probably a lemon. This is why I say never again. I have had only one car that was worse than the C4 & that was a new VB (very bad) Commodore & never bought a GM product after that after 6 previous Holdens.

Wow .... I know poeple with that model that have done literally hundreds of thousands of kms without issues. The boss womens 407 still has its original brake rotors on it at 235,000kms. The fronts are now at the minumum, the rears have plenty of life left.

my parents had a C4 when new that would randomly cut out. They replace the injectors, the injection pump .... all sort of expensive parts. Changing the fuel filter was all it needed [bighmmm] Whenever boss womens 407 starts surging, I think "must be time for a service.... I wonder how overdue it is". Surging in gear means it would like a new fuel filter soon please. Other than filter and oil changes .... it just keeps going ... its probably been the cheapest most reliable ****box we have ever owned. but it is getting very old and long in the tooth now (Peugeot and Citroen are the same company and same cars wearing different badges).

3toes

20th October 2022, 06:59 PM

They are from a generation of vehicles from that manufacturer when they went further down market as found could not competition Ford. GM and VW. Hence when they purchased GM Europe operation said was a valuable addition as it allows them access to a different type of customer

Changed Tac and went after Fiat customers who buy on price not quality and engineered their new range of cars accordingly.

One bright spot was they adopted Ford diesels that were reliable unlike the petrol versions.

Unfortunately as they went down market the Koreans arrived in the same price point with quality which forced the government to bail them out as they were bust and Chinese were going to buy them out

DoubleChevron

20th November 2025, 01:22 PM

So we have done the "small fun car" thing for a couple of years now ... And the boss women still loves that little car. Moving along, we have four fully registered cars here ... which is just nuts. The youngest daughter got her license. So now the boss women is making noises about needing a bigger car .... Now I have absolutely no intention in this universe of having five fully registered vehicles. But with both daughters at university and two of the cars gone ... boss women is left with the little 2door rcz and ****box range rover to choose from. I probably need to move the ****box to a club permit (damn it ... a roadworthy :( )....

This has got me thinking though. Can anyone think of an interesting car made about 10years ago.... with a manual gearbox ... that's a bit different .... she'd maybe like.

I'm thinking maybe a range rover ... but anything in my price range has the ford/poogoe V6 diesel in it (so a big no).... another thing that has caught my eye is the Chrysler 300 ... nice big grunty diesel or v8 ... can be found with quite low milage. big, comfy ... could get parts from ebay easily.... hmmmm.... everyone likes a hemi right? Only available with slugomatic gearbox though :(

Does anyone have any ideas short of camry/magna/jacked up plastic bland boxes that fill the carparks [bighmmm]

seeya
Shane L.

Geedublya

20th November 2025, 02:19 PM

DoubleChevron

20th November 2025, 02:51 PM

Manual makes it hard.
A quick search on carsales for 10 years old and newer, manual gearbox, not a hatchback in Victoria brings up a bunch of WRXs, Mazda 3s, a couple of Skodas, a Commodore V6, an Audi S3, a VW of some sort and a bunch of Kias, Hyundais, Nissans and Hondas that I doubt you would be interested in.
If you want a largeish sedan or wagon there is bugger all in manual.

I just bought my daughter a Suzuki Swift Sport, it's a great little car, 1.6l 5 speed manual, great handling, but noisy and sits on 3500rpm at 110kmh but has a redline at 7000, drinks premium and isn't super economical 6.7l/100.

Yeah ... its frustrating. Any car that catches my eye, is far to old to get as a "modern daily driver"... I might have to go and try a chrysler 300 and see what it drives like. I'm expecting a big kinda floaty barge (hopefully). I'm thinking about 10year old as that is before all the crazy crap touch screens, auto braking, auto crap that tries to over-ride the driver. And lets face it, is there a car made in the last 10years you would want to own [bigwhistle]

I'm thinking big comfy passenger sedan. They don't seem to exist any longer though. We have Jags, Mercs and exotics, but imagine trying to get parts for them at a reasonable cost... hmmm.... A pretend 4wd (aka: any plastic jacked up junk to try and look like a 4wd... I don't understand this "every car needs to look like a 4wd so middle aged women will buy them" caper) holds absolutely no appeal. And that is what the market is full of.

BradC

20th November 2025, 02:58 PM

I'm thinking big comfy passenger sedan.

2 series Volvo. 4 speed + overdrive, most of the mod-cons. A bit past your "10 year" marker though. The problem is they are so highly sought after that the price can be a bit $$$.

V8Ian

20th November 2025, 06:29 PM

195012
Pick a year between the mid-70s and today. Simple, highly customizable, only available in manual, definitely fun and small

Saitch

21st November 2025, 07:48 AM

Have you looked at a Suzuki Kizashi 2.4 Petrol 6 speed? Stopped production 2016. It had around 140kw, from memory.

DoubleChevron

21st November 2025, 08:15 AM

Have you looked at a Suzuki Kizashi 2.4 Petrol 6 speed? Stopped production 2016. It had around 140kw, from memory.

I'd never heard of that. The CVT gearbox is a huge "no" from me :) The car itself sounds quite good. I'm a bit (just a bit? yeah right) weird. I'd like to find something with manual gearbox I won't loose in a carpark. Gee's, we had my mothers car here for a bit.... I gave it the occasional run to keep the battery charged. Gee's ... I lost the thing every single time I parked it in a carpark. I could stand right infront of it and not see it [bigrolf] [bigrolf] How do people with white and silver plastic blobs ever keep track of which car is theres in a carpark [bigwhistle]

seeya
Shane L.

PhilipA

21st November 2025, 08:56 AM

Saitch

21st November 2025, 08:59 AM

I'd never heard of that. The CVT gearbox is a huge "no" from me :) The car itself sounds quite good. I'm a bit (just a bit? yeah right) weird. I'd like to find something with manual gearbox I won't loose in a carpark. Gee's, we had my mothers car here for a bit.... I gave it the occasional run to keep the battery charged. Gee's ... I lost the thing every single time I parked it in a carpark. I could stand right infront of it and not see it [bigrolf] [bigrolf] How do people with white and silver plastic blobs ever keep track of which car is theres in a carpark [bigwhistle]

seeya
Shane L.

It came with a 6 speed manual option.

DoubleChevron

21st November 2025, 09:15 AM

You guys seem to bent on causing your children and grandchildren financial suicide.
No European or British car over 10 years old should ever be considered. EVER!
My son convinced his daughter to buy a BMW 3 series. It is now dying. Minis need the whole front taken off to do anything and the original BMW ones are money pits. My son's Audi A5 2007 supercharged has done 2 water pumps in a couple of years and you have to take the whole front off to replace them.
My mate who has a D type replica, Restored MGA, and Morris Marina coupe 2.4 is looking for a Camry for his grand child and that is the only choice apart from say a Honda of some description that should even be considered. You cannot argue that he is not an enthusiast but he is also aware that kids have limited resources and not much sense unless you want to be their funder for years to come. My daughter once cooked a Laser just after I had paid for a head gasket because the red light came on from a burst hose but she continued driving home.

My Jazz has the most lively engine I have experienced for many years and belies its econobox image to drive. And absolutely reliable and fun at modest speeds . Not a penny after 6 years apart from services. Oops had warped discs so replaced them and Brembo pads.
Regards PhilipA

Um ... Ok.

My eldest daughter is driving a 2005 Citroen C2. (so 20 years old). Its only needed tyres and oil changes. Let me think. I did put the strut bushes in the front a couple of years back ($90aud and a couple of hours work).

The youngest daughter is driving a 2007 poogoe 407 6spd manual. We have owned this car for 13years and put over 250,000kms on it. The only non-service type item it has ever had is a flywheel at 80,000kms (all cars back then with dual mass flywheels seemed to fail). Its still running fine today. getting quite battered. I'd jump into it and drive it to perth tomorrow if I needed to without hesitation. This was my wifes car and was moved onto the youngest daugther last year.

My wife is driving a 2011 Poogoe RCZ (so 14 years old). I'll have too see when this thread has started, its been what ... 2 ... maybe 3 years. The car has needed a thrust bearing and normal servicing (The risks of buying a used car, a previous owner had cooked the grease out of the thrust bearing). I'd drive it to perth tomorrow without a seconds hesitation.

Now lets see, my cars. I've owned a range rover classic for over 10 years. Actually, I've done a bit of work to this car. It bent a conrod when the fuel pressure regulator died and filled No8 cylinder with fuel.... I killed the transfer case/gearbox output shaft by running really thick gearbox oil in the transfer case that didn't have a cross drilled input shaft. Its guzzled endless amounts of LPG and done everything I've ever asked of it.

I've owned a citroen cx for 20 ... no maybe 25 years. Not just a locally sold one, a personal import that was never sold in Australia. Other than numerous hours over the years chasing electrical gremlins (salted roads and wiring system don't live well together). the thing just goes. I've towed caravans all over Australia with it, towed car trailer ... travelled ... The poor thing has been run on the tightest shoe string budget imaginable. I could get up from this chair right now, walk over to the car, hook up the battery terminal and drive it without a seconds hesitation.

Now, not only is it a 40 year old car, it was a demonstrator when sold new (CNAN number plates in the UK). This means the high performance petrol turbocharged car was a dealer demonstrator when new. Every single test pilot would have beaten the thing mercilessly. At 40 years of age, its never had the engine touched, doesn't burn or use a drip of oil between oil changes, never had the gearbox touched, never had the turbo installation touched (bullet proof old garret.... could do with a new core now doubt as it will be down on boost). The suspension has normal service items. ie: ball joints, bushes and spheres as needed. I drove this as a daily car with 3 young children on a single very average wage. That is how little it has cost me.

Other cars ... I have two 1963 Citroen ID19s. They haven't done a lot of milage over the last few years, but they just go. Normal servicing work is about it. They are mechanicaly incredibly tough.

Um, a 1950 Citroen Traction Avant. Its done next to no milage, so I can't comment on running costs... But its fun to tinker with.

Cars are expensive because people pay tremendous amounts of money paying someone to service them, I don't do this.

So if I got something like a Jaguar X type or Chrysler 300 .... How much do you think I'd be spending .... Hmmmm... My only concern is the huge bills slugomatic gearboxes can send my way :(

My wife has her small fun car, so I'm thinking some modern luxo-barge type vehicle .... you know, similar to a Citroen Ds or Citroen CX ... but made this century that she would be confident to drive wihtout fear of breaking down.

If you want to talk expensive..... ludicrously, insanely expensive motoring. Lets look at the electric throw-aways. Man the money they will cost is just mind boggling. Guess how much I've lost on the cars I've owned (especially if you include servicing costs) versus a throw-away every few years.

seeya
Shane L.

PhilipA

21st November 2025, 10:18 AM

So you still do the services and repairs on your children's cars? what happens if and when they move away for work or LUUURVE?

BTW my Jazz is a manual Vti and my 79 year old wife drives it daily. But jeez it is a pain if we ever go to Sydney traffic in it. Kids in general do not care about cars in the same way as we did And I tolerated a lot of faults with my European cars that would not be tolerated today.( Renault 12, Renault 16TS, BMW1600, Austin A90, Austin A95, Hillman Imp GT, VW 1600 Slowback, Austin 1800,1981 Rangie, 1977 Rangie,1991 Rangie, 2002 D2, BMW E36 M3. Rear main seal leak? as long as it doesn't befoul the driveway let it go, but not today. The body corporate would have a fit. Renault 16TS rear main seal, collapsed front suspension arms, Renault 12 collapsed front spring plus rear main seal, shredded interior from sun.
I love European cars and worked my dream job as Planning and Distribution Manager for BMW Australia and then Motorcycle Marketing Manager but IMHO they lost the edge over Japanese and Korean years ago. My all time favourite was a test drive in an Alfasud. What a Go Kart. But would I buy one? never.
In contrast even an old FJ 40 was flawless except for rust, my 1988 Nissan Patrol was flawless, even a Nissan Sunny 1400 I owned in Saudi was flawless. 3 Honda Jazz mainly flawless but had to do clutch in one due to being owned by Chef with big boots. Arguably the car my son got his son to buy, a Lexus LS400, is the best car ever made.
Regards PhilipA

DoubleChevron

21st November 2025, 10:29 AM

So you still do the services and repairs on your children's cars? what happens if and when they move away for work or LUUURVE?

of course, they are university students with even less money than me. They both work part time as well, but there is no way they could afford to buy and run a car.

BTW my Jazz is a manual Vti and my 79 year old wife drives it daily. But jeez it is a pain if we ever go to Sydney traffic in it. Kids in general do not care about cars in the same way as we did And I tolerated a lot of faults with my European cars that would not be tolerated today.( Renault 12, Renault 16TS, BMW1600, Austin A90, Austin A95, Hillman Imp GT, VW 1600 Slowback, Austin 1800,1981 Rangie, 1977 Rangie,1991 Rangie, 2002 D2, BMW E36 M3. Rear main seal leak? as long as it doesn't befoul the driveway let it go, but not today. The body corporate would have a fit. Renault 16TS rear main seal, collapsed front suspension arms, Renault 12 collapsed front spring plus rear main seal, shredded interior from sun.

Sounds like your talking very old cars here. Our family owned a series of R10's, R12,s R16s .... the damn things just keep going. I've never heard of any renault ever having "collapsed suspension". If I went and dragged a renault 12 out of a paddock, I bet the springs would still be fine and the original shockers would still be functional ( poogoe and renaults had extremely high quality springs and shockers). Rear mains is also pretty much unheard of. Infact, I've never heard of these going in Renaults. Come to think of it though, a smart person replaces the rear main when they do the clutch. My first car was a Renault 12 I purchased for $500 with a dead clutch. When I was 17 years old I just craweled under it, dropped the box, changed the clutch and rear main .... and it was good for a few years until someone run up the back of it. I've also never heard of a R16 doing a rear main. Its an all aluminium engine. So long as you ran a quality coolant they just went forever. The gearbox is infront of the engine like a Citroen DS. so the rear main is actually at the front of the motor.

You sound like somoene who's experiance is taking cars to specialist and using a cheque book to solve all the cars issues (which is fine ... ).

I love European cars and worked my dream job as Planning and Distribution Manager for BMW Australia and then Motorcycle Marketing Manager but IMHO they lost the edge over Japanese and Korean years ago. My all time favourite was a test drive in an Alfasud. What a Go Kart. But would I buy one? never.

I don't rule out any car, I just look at them and pick the most reliable version of the car I want. That is why I don't own a modern Citroen, I don't want a 1.6 bmw/citroen/poogoe motor ... or a V6 diesel ford/poogoe/citroen motor..... or a car that runs a wet cambelt.

In contrast even an old FJ 40 was flawless except for rust, my 1988 Nissan Patrol was flawless, even a Nissan Sunny 1400 I owned in Saudi was flawless. 3 Honda Jazz mainly flawless but had to do clutch in one due to being owned by Chef with big boots. Arguably the car my son got his son to buy, a Lexus LS400, is the best car ever made.
Regards PhilipA

Yes, the old FJ40s and patrols are pretty much legendary. the patrol is pretty much a light truck sold as a 4wd (just look under one). and it drove as such. The crusier is very similar ot a land rover series vehicle. I fully believe the lexus is probably one of the most reliable cars you could find.

All of this is ancient history though. Cars made in the last 10years is what I'm looking at... and there is just nothing appealing there. talk about generic blobs. and some very unreliable generic blobs at that.

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PhilipA

21st November 2025, 01:58 PM

DoubleChevron

21st November 2025, 02:17 PM

16s were notorious for bending the lower control arms if taken on dirt roads. because the suspension was so supple that when it hit the bump stop damage was done. similar to an R series BMW bike. I recall on a press test finding a bent front wheel on one of the bikes after a bit of quick dirt road.
Ha I bet I have done more on Rangies and Discos than most including fitting fuel injection to the 77, modifying and fitting a Thor manifold to the 91 Rangie, porting the heads of the 91, adding a centre diff lock to a 2002 Disco in situ( try that one for degree of difficulty) Fitting Quaife Torque sensing front diff to 91, rebuilding the diff of the 77 etc. as well as all servicing and the occasional head gasket.
But the central argument still holds. Buy your descendants a reliable trouble free proven car like a Camry . I know when my daughter was broke at one stage I bought her a Camry wagon with 340KK on it and it went for 3 years or so with minimal problems.
Regards PhilipA

I've never heard that one about Renault 16s ... I'll ask my grandfather, he's a mechanic that owned lots of them new ... and was a mechanic ( 98 years old ). If you mean rally cars ... well yeah, they brace them up. The works R12 gordinis had seem welded bodies. I know somoene that owned one for years. It was a huge handful, a real screamer that had to be kept on the boil.

That's like saying Citroen CX's broke there gearboxes offroad. One of the few mods they did to them for offroad rallys was to retain mechanically the left hand front driveshaft. Otherwise when airborne it was possible to pop the retaining snap ring on the left had driveshaft, then when the car landed, it would slam the driveshaft into the gearbox. This has never happened that I have ever heard to any other car other than rally cars.

I coudl never imagine a universe where I'd drive a camry. Has every other interesting car in the world been vaporised ?

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Geedublya

21st November 2025, 04:57 PM

Um ... Ok.

My eldest daughter is driving a 2005 Citroen C2. (so 20 years old). Its only needed tyres and oil changes. Let me think. I did put the strut bushes in the front a couple of years back ($90aud and a couple of hours work).

The youngest daughter is driving a 2007 poogoe 407 6spd manual. We have owned this car for 13years and put over 250,000kms on it. The only non-service type item it has ever had is a flywheel at 80,000kms (all cars back then with dual mass flywheels seemed to fail). Its still running fine today. getting quite battered. I'd jump into it and drive it to perth tomorrow if I needed to without hesitation. This was my wifes car and was moved onto the youngest daugther last year.

My wife is driving a 2011 Poogoe RCZ (so 14 years old). I'll have too see when this thread has started, its been what ... 2 ... maybe 3 years. The car has needed a thrust bearing and normal servicing (The risks of buying a used car, a previous owner had cooked the grease out of the thrust bearing). I'd drive it to perth tomorrow without a seconds hesitation.

Now lets see, my cars. I've owned a range rover classic for over 10 years. Actually, I've done a bit of work to this car. It bent a conrod when the fuel pressure regulator died and filled No8 cylinder with fuel.... I killed the transfer case/gearbox output shaft by running really thick gearbox oil in the transfer case that didn't have a cross drilled input shaft. Its guzzled endless amounts of LPG and done everything I've ever asked of it.

I've owned a citroen cx for 20 ... no maybe 25 years. Not just a locally sold one, a personal import that was never sold in Australia. Other than numerous hours over the years chasing electrical gremlins (salted roads and wiring system don't live well together). the thing just goes. I've towed caravans all over Australia with it, towed car trailer ... travelled ... The poor thing has been run on the tightest shoe string budget imaginable. I could get up from this chair right now, walk over to the car, hook up the battery terminal and drive it without a seconds hesitation.

Now, not only is it a 40 year old car, it was a demonstrator when sold new (CNAN number plates in the UK). This means the high performance petrol turbocharged car was a dealer demonstrator when new. Every single test pilot would have beaten the thing mercilessly. At 40 years of age, its never had the engine touched, doesn't burn or use a drip of oil between oil changes, never had the gearbox touched, never had the turbo installation touched (bullet proof old garret.... could do with a new core now doubt as it will be down on boost). The suspension has normal service items. ie: ball joints, bushes and spheres as needed. I drove this as a daily car with 3 young children on a single very average wage. That is how little it has cost me.

Other cars ... I have two 1963 Citroen ID19s. They haven't done a lot of milage over the last few years, but they just go. Normal servicing work is about it. They are mechanicaly incredibly tough.

Um, a 1950 Citroen Traction Avant. Its done next to no milage, so I can't comment on running costs... But its fun to tinker with.

Cars are expensive because people pay tremendous amounts of money paying someone to service them, I don't do this.

So if I got something like a Jaguar X type or Chrysler 300 .... How much do you think I'd be spending .... Hmmmm... My only concern is the huge bills slugomatic gearboxes can send my way :(

My wife has her small fun car, so I'm thinking some modern luxo-barge type vehicle .... you know, similar to a Citroen Ds or Citroen CX ... but made this century that she would be confident to drive wihtout fear of breaking down.

If you want to talk expensive..... ludicrously, insanely expensive motoring. Lets look at the electric throw-aways. Man the money they will cost is just mind boggling. Guess how much I've lost on the cars I've owned (especially if you include servicing costs) versus a throw-away every few years.

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Shane L.
I know you don't want an auto, but if you want a luxo barge you can't got past a Lexus GS300 straight 6, Toyota 2JZ motor, supremely comfortable and excellent build quality, getting long in the tooth and the only big problem I have heard about is the ABS module. If you hunt around you can get the Toyota Aristo JDM version with twin turbo.
Even the later V6 is very good just not the beautiful straight 6. They can be had quite cheap and will **** all over a Chrysler 300.
I've done a track day in one and it was very capable.

DoubleChevron

21st November 2025, 05:36 PM

I know you don't want an auto, but if you want a luxo barge you can't got past a Lexus GS300 straight 6, Toyota 2JZ motor, supremely comfortable and excellent build quality, getting long in the tooth and the only big problem I have heard about is the ABS module. If you hunt around you can get the Toyota Aristo JDM version with twin turbo.
Even the later V6 is very good just not the beautiful straight 6. They can be had quite cheap and will **** all over a Chrysler 300.
I've done a track day in one and it was very capable.

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this one? shame it looks even more tedioiusly boring to look at than a camry :( If I parked that in the local coles carpark, I'd probably have to wait until the store shut and the carpark emptied to find it

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21st November 2025, 05:38 PM

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this one? shame it looks even more tedioiusly boring to look at than a camry :( If I parked that in the local coles carpark, I'd probably have to wait until the store shut and the carpark emptied to find it

I wonder if these are your typical crappy modern car with a a crashy ride and crappy giant sized clown wheels

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22nd November 2025, 10:12 AM

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this one? shame it looks even more tedioiusly boring to look at than a camry :( If I parked that in the local coles carpark, I'd probably have to wait until the store shut and the carpark emptied to find it

That's a LS460 it's the S class mercedes competitor.

This is an Aristo (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2000-toyota-aristo-auto/SSE-AD-19574472/) same body as an early GS300. Here is a later GS300 (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2006-lexus-gs-gs300-sports-luxury-auto/OAG-AD-25195649/) you can also get them as a GS430 with a V8 or as a Hybrid.

DoubleChevron

22nd November 2025, 10:51 AM

That's a LS460 it's the S class mercedes competitor.

This is an Aristo (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2000-toyota-aristo-auto/SSE-AD-19574472/) same body as an early GS300. Here is a later GS300 (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2006-lexus-gs-gs300-sports-luxury-auto/OAG-AD-25195649/) you can also get them as a GS430 with a V8 or as a Hybrid.

Big comfy sedan ... that is exactly the sort of thing I'm after. I'm thinking old, but low milage. Any automatic with 250,000 +++ kms on it is going to need a gearbox rebuild in the near future. If it was a proper gearbox, its a no brainer .... Hmmmmm I'm glad this is in NSW so I'm not tempted to go take it for a drive :)

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24th November 2025, 04:13 PM

look how low milage this range rover is ....

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I wonder what they are like to drive ..... looks lke something I could easily tidy up. I htink that will be the bmw v8 (I've never driven one).

DoubleChevron

12th December 2025, 05:52 PM

This is just lovely ... why do the older cars appeal so much more than modern crap

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14th January 2026, 08:17 AM

So the more I look around (mostly out of interest) in a nicer, kinda interesting 4 door sedan .... the older and older I'm starting to look. There is a couple of cars that have caught my my. There is a nice looking 2011 Alfa Romeo 159 turbo petrol manual gearbox. That could be nice. I know nothing about alfa romeos though. There is also a jaguar V8 Stype 2002 near me. Scary slugomatic gearbox (where is the vomit smiley?).... but I'm sure would be a nice big comfy 4 door sedan to drive. I also know nothing about these cars other than the slugmotic could die and cost multiples of the cars market value to rebuild at any point in time.

Have any of you guys owned an old S type ?

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PhilipA

14th January 2026, 04:30 PM

Have any of you guys owned an old S type ?
It is a Ford Mondeo underneath.
My neighbour has a Mondeo diesel. nice car.
Regards PhilipA

Captain_Rightfoot

15th January 2026, 07:32 AM

It is a Ford Mondeo underneath.
My neighbour has a Mondeo diesel. nice car.
Regards PhilipA
My work colleage has a mondeo diesel wagon. Has not been without pain. At low 100 new turbo, new AC compressor. The new turbo was expensive.

DoubleChevron

15th January 2026, 08:44 AM

It is a Ford Mondeo underneath.
My neighbour has a Mondeo diesel. nice car.
Regards PhilipA

Wrong car, it shares the platform with a Lincoln LS according to google. I might go a take it for a drive today. I think the V8 versions are quite rare. Probably eye wateringly expensive when new. its that kinda ugly looking one that tries to look like an old jag without pulling it off (and I think it was hi-undi that made a car that looked just like it after it was released?).

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Shane L.

DoubleChevron

15th January 2026, 01:11 PM

Wrong car, it shares the platform with a Lincoln LS according to google. I might go a take it for a drive today. I think the V8 versions are quite rare. Probably eye wateringly expensive when new. its that kinda ugly looking one that tries to look like an old jag without pulling it off (and I think it was hi-undi that made a car that looked just like it after it was released?).

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Shane L.

Well if anyone else is going to look at the V8 S type on market place. It seems to be rock solid mechanically and drives really nicely. It is very battered from hail damage, every single panel effected. You can't see it in the pictures, but it will be huge job if you wish to fix up the hail damage. If it wasn't so hail damaged ... I would have purchased it without a seconds thought.

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Shane L.

PhilipA

15th January 2026, 03:23 PM

Sorry it is the Xtype that was developed from the Mondeo.

The Jaguar X-Type shares its basic platform, particularly the wheelbase, with the Ford Mondeo (specifically the CD132 generation), but it's far more than just a rebadged Mondeo, featuring significant Jaguar enhancements like standard all-wheel drive (on most models), unique styling, luxury interiors (leather/wood), different engines (V6s and diesel), and distinct suspension/chassis tuning for a more premium feel, despite common criticisms of its shared origins making maintenance parts sometimes affordable.

Key Similarities & Differences:

Platform: Both used Ford's CD132 platform, meaning some core dimensions and structural elements were shared, especially the rear subframe from the Mondeo Estate for space.
Drivetrain: Most X-Types were All-Wheel Drive (AWD), unlike most UK Mondeos which were Front-Wheel Drive (FWD). Later models introduced FWD 4-cylinder diesel versions.
Engines: X-Types had Jaguar-specific V6 petrol engines (2.5L, 3.0L) and a 2.2L diesel, sharing block castings with Mondeo but with different internal components for better performance.
Interior & Exterior: X-Types featured classic Jaguar luxury with leather, walnut trim, and unique styling, a world away from the Mondeo's mass-market interior, though some switchgear/motors were Ford-sourced.
Suspension: Jaguar modified the suspension with dual-piston struts and other tweaks for a more refined ride than the Mondeo.

Why the Mondeo Connection Matters:

Affordable Parts: Some interchangeable Ford parts (like certain switches, mirrors, or even the Mondeo Estate's rear subframe) made maintenance cheaper for X-Type owners.
Criticism: Purists often disliked it for being "just a Mondeo underneath," but it offered Jaguar luxury and AWD at a lower price point, appealing to a broader market.

In essence, the X-Type was Jaguar's attempt to enter the compact executive market using Ford's scalable platform, successfully adding Jaguar flair and technology to create a distinct, comfortable, and surprisingly capable car. regards PhilipA

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Sorry it is the Xtype that was developed from the Mondeo.

The Jaguar X-Type shares its basic platform, particularly the wheelbase, with the Ford Mondeo (specifically the CD132 generation), but it's far more than just a rebadged Mondeo, featuring significant Jaguar enhancements like standard all-wheel drive (on most models), unique styling, luxury interiors (leather/wood), different engines (V6s and diesel), and distinct suspension/chassis tuning for a more premium feel, despite common criticisms of its shared origins making maintenance parts sometimes affordable.

Key Similarities & Differences:

Platform: Both used Ford's CD132 platform, meaning some core dimensions and structural elements were shared, especially the rear subframe from the Mondeo Estate for space.
Drivetrain: Most X-Types were All-Wheel Drive (AWD), unlike most UK Mondeos which were Front-Wheel Drive (FWD). Later models introduced FWD 4-cylinder diesel versions.
Engines: X-Types had Jaguar-specific V6 petrol engines (2.5L, 3.0L) and a 2.2L diesel, sharing block castings with Mondeo but with different internal components for better performance.
Interior & Exterior: X-Types featured classic Jaguar luxury with leather, walnut trim, and unique styling, a world away from the Mondeo's mass-market interior, though some switchgear/motors were Ford-sourced.
Suspension: Jaguar modified the suspension with dual-piston struts and other tweaks for a more refined ride than the Mondeo.

Why the Mondeo Connection Matters:

Affordable Parts: Some interchangeable Ford parts (like certain switches, mirrors, or even the Mondeo Estate's rear subframe) made maintenance cheaper for X-Type owners.
Criticism: Purists often disliked it for being "just a Mondeo underneath," but it offered Jaguar luxury and AWD at a lower price point, appealing to a broader market.

In essence, the X-Type was Jaguar's attempt to enter the compact executive market using Ford's scalable platform, successfully adding Jaguar flair and technology to create a distinct, comfortable, and surprisingly capable car. regards PhilipA

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There is a few Xtypes for sale around here. For some reason they don't have the same appeal. ? S type ... Jaguar V8, ford gearbox. really a sister car to a lincon ls is the car you are thinking of. Lincoln LS - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_LS)

I quite liked the S type. Its what I think a big passenger sedan should be. comfy, big, grunty ....

Tins

15th January 2026, 06:46 PM

https://youtu.be/lpssfgih6o0?si=BTsuwRrZ4HOLFBSv

DoubleChevron

16th January 2026, 09:02 AM

https://youtu.be/lpssfgih6o0?si=BTsuwRrZ4HOLFBSv

Did you buy a 124? Nice!

Tins

16th January 2026, 04:20 PM

Did you buy a 124? Nice!

I've had a few. None of them looked like that!

jerryd

19th January 2026, 11:22 PM

Well if anyone else is going to look at the V8 S type on market place. It seems to be rock solid mechanically and drives really nicely. It is very battered from hail damage, every single panel effected. You can't see it in the pictures, but it will be huge job if you wish to fix up the hail damage. If it wasn't so hail damaged ... I would have purchased it without a seconds thought.

seeya
Shane L.

We owned the 2.5 litre S Type for a while, nice comfy car but obviously down on power [bighmmm] Was okay as the wife's car. Sold it and purchased a Volvo XC70 Wagon, slightly more entertaining [bigwhistle]

DoubleChevron

20th January 2026, 08:09 AM

We owned the 2.5 litre S Type for a while, nice comfy car but obviously down on power [bighmmm] Was okay as the wife's car. Sold it and purchased a Volvo XC70 Wagon, slightly more entertaining [bigwhistle]

Did they sell a 2.5 in Australia? The one I drove was a 4litre V8. I was quite impressed with the performance. My wife reckoned it was nowhere near as fast as her little poogoe (the poogoe is 0-100 in about 8.4 seconds .... the jag .... 0-100 in 6.8 seconds). That's how effortless and cruisy the old S type is under hard accelleration.

I wonder what the 3litre v6 is like. there is a very tidy looking one for sale in melbourne for not much money. I love the V8 one .. but its just so battered from hail stones, I can't see myself ever getting the time to fix it all and repaint it.

Redback

30th January 2026, 12:25 AM

Captain_Rightfoot

30th January 2026, 07:01 AM

Fattima

30th January 2026, 07:09 AM

From experience, 2007 1.9ltr turbo diesel VW Golf, with 391000ks on the clock when we sold it, with the replacement of a left side headlight bulb in all that time, 3.8ltrs/100ks fuel economy on the freeway and an average of 5ltrs/100ks, depending on the driver to and from work, Ness was a lead foot.

Brilliant and most reliable car, we have ever owned.
My other half has a Polo of the same vintage with the 1.9 tdi. Goes like a rocket and the tons to torque in such a small car is entertaining at times. Very reliable, everything that has needed replacing are normal service items, brakes, shocks and cambelt. Parts are cheap too.

DoubleChevron

30th January 2026, 09:55 AM

My other half has a Polo of the same vintage with the 1.9 tdi. Goes like a rocket and the tons to torque in such a small car is entertaining at times. Very reliable, everything that has needed replacing are normal service items, brakes, shocks and cambelt. Parts are cheap too.

I was looking for something big and cruisy with hopefully not a lot of milage on it. Those older generation turbo diesels fitted to european cars are just fabulous. They are now all too complex with the adblue and associated systems. The boss women still has her Poogoe RCZ she loves (2 litre 6spd manual diesel). The hunt for a "big" car for her to drive is over too.

195644

we found this about an hours drive away. 2 owners, sounds like both sold it when they could no longer drive. Really nice, clean and tidy for an old car.

Tins

30th January 2026, 01:37 PM

Such a shame VW seem to have completely lost the plot now. This is what people want!
VW lost the plot because they were seriously spooked by the scam that was DieselGate and having to comply with truly onerous EU mandates, which even the exalted in Brussels now admit are unworkable. mobs like BMW didn’t fall for it and are doing just fine. Ditto Toyota. VW will struggle to recover and play a meaningful role when the net zero house of cards collapses. But they are big and the new far more sensible Bundesregierung will support them. Heck, those guys are even going to rebuild the nukes the previous muppets vandalised.

Tins

30th January 2026, 01:40 PM

My sister had a Mk 4 Golf. She now has a two year old diesel Caddy with DSG. Great car but far more complex than the old Golf.

Captain_Rightfoot

30th January 2026, 02:08 PM

VW lost the plot because they were seriously spooked by the scam that was DieselGate and having to comply with truly onerous EU mandates, which even the exalted in Brussels now admit are unworkable. mobs like BMW didn’t fall for it and are doing just fine. Ditto Toyota. VW will struggle to recover and play a meaningful role when the net zero house of cards collapses. But they are big and the new far more sensible Bundesregierung will support them. Heck, those guys are even going to rebuild the nukes the previous muppets vandalised.

In 2001 I fell for a R53 MINI the best and the worst car I've every owned. At best a prototype. At best. That car was just not anywhere near production ready. Everything failed, usually multiple times. When it started rusting at 3 years old I gave up and bought a fiesta which was actually an excellent car.

None the less I decided I wanted more upmarket and that's when the first of my two VW's came along. A 2007 Audi A3 1.8 turbo with the 6 speed DSG. I bought the audi because it was a golf V made in germany instead of South Africa. Ours was one of the first with that motor. At 2 years old it blew a water pump. They took it back and there it sat for like two weeks. Apparently there was much head scratching. I was apparently the first. Anyway they fixed it. And then every two years after that it would blow a water pump. By the end of our ownership they said "we can do it in 3 hours.. we've got the parts". Rather than fixing the problem they just kept fitting the same parts. This was well pre dieselgate...

We sold it and bought a golf 7. 1.4 .. 110 kwh. 7 speed dsg. Looovely car. Designed before Dieselgate. . At 30k the clutch started slipping. Clutch pack replaced under warranty. At about 40 this one did a water pump too. At 54k it started slpping again. They again agreed to replace the clutch pack (1 year out of warranty). The parts for this are not that expensive, but I gather they drop the suframe out to do it. So pretty expensive job. I looked at the service advisor and said "Can you guarantee this won't happen again in 30k". She didn't say anything - just shook her head. At 60k I ordered an EV.

In the three years since I've rotated the tyres, twice. And it's due again now. [bigwhistle]

Meanwhile I've got a constant stream of defender failures that I pay to fix. The Lotus I fix myself. Just pulled the engine and gear box out again (2x in 12 months). The guy I paid to "fix" the gearbox left the nut that holds the whole lot loose. Looks like the IT guy is now a gearbox guy. [bigrolf]

Like seriously.. if it wasn't for the EV and the Lotus costing nothing the Defender would have to go. :o

DoubleChevron

30th January 2026, 04:00 PM

In 2001 I fell for a R53 MINI the best and the worst car I've every owned. At best a prototype. At best. That car was just not anywhere near production ready. Everything failed, usually multiple times. When it started rusting at 3 years old I gave up and bought a fiesta which was actually an excellent car.

None the less I decided I wanted more upmarket and that's when the first of my two VW's came along. A 2007 Audi A3 1.8 turbo with the 6 speed DSG. I bought the audi because it was a golf V made in germany instead of South Africa. Ours was one of the first with that motor. At 2 years old it blew a water pump. They took it back and there it sat for like two weeks. Apparently there was much head scratching. I was apparently the first. Anyway they fixed it. And then every two years after that it would blow a water pump. By the end of our ownership they said "we can do it in 3 hours.. we've got the parts". Rather than fixing the problem they just kept fitting the same parts. This was well pre dieselgate...

We sold it and bought a golf 7. 1.4 .. 110 kwh. 7 speed dsg. Looovely car. Designed before Dieselgate. . At 30k the clutch started slipping. Clutch pack replaced under warranty. At about 40 this one did a water pump too. At 54k it started slpping again. They again agreed to replace the clutch pack (1 year out of warranty). The parts for this are not that expensive, but I gather they drop the suframe out to do it. So pretty expensive job. I looked at the service advisor and said "Can you guarantee this won't happen again in 30k". She didn't say anything - just shook her head. At 60k I ordered an EV.

In the three years since I've rotated the tyres, twice. And it's due again now. [bigwhistle]

Meanwhile I've got a constant stream of defender failures that I pay to fix. The Lotus I fix myself. Just pulled the engine and gear box out again (2x in 12 months). The guy I paid to "fix" the gearbox left the nut that holds the whole lot loose. Looks like the IT guy is now a gearbox guy. [bigrolf]

Like seriously.. if it wasn't for the EV and the Lotus costing nothing the Defender would have to go. :o

It sounds like the majority of the $$$ you spend on the land rover and on "toys" to bolt on it though. The fuel pump is "real". but fitting accessories is a choice, not really something you can consider a part of cost of running the car :)

Captain_Rightfoot

30th January 2026, 04:19 PM

It sounds like the majority of the $$$ you spend on the land rover and on "toys" to bolt on it though. The fuel pump is "real". but fitting accessories is a choice, not really something you can consider a part of cost of running the car :)
In the last few years there have been some improvements. Dual batteries and tow controller, ECU flash, ashcroft ATB. Before that Koni's.

But most of the cost has been straight up repairs, Swivel balls, new clutch, calipers, discs, engine mounts , various suspension mounts, fuel tank (due to rust), fuel pump, ECU. :| There was also the AC compressor which failed, which sort of snowballed a bit. :(

It's been like this probably for the last 5 years.. a string of repairs. Hopefully we are getting to the end. :o Would I have done the improvements if I knew all the repairs were coming? The batteries were 6 years old so was time. If I didn't do the koni's I had to replace the shockies with something. I guess the ATB could have waited.

V8Ian

30th January 2026, 04:31 PM

ozscott

30th January 2026, 05:16 PM

The Mazda BM SP25 GT is a weapon of a car. Ours is auto. 290,000klm and not a single issue. Built in Japan. Very solid and has some character with that throaty little 2.5 direct injection and exhaust with a nice factory tune. I haven't driven the manual but my bet is it would be loads of fun. They are well priced. Cheers

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2015-mazda-3-sp25-review-2/

RANDLOVER

3rd February 2026, 12:23 PM

My sister had a Mk 4 Golf. She now has a two year old diesel Caddy with DSG. Great car but far more complex than the old Golf.

My other half has a Polo of the same vintage with the 1.9 tdi. Goes like a rocket and the tons to torque in such a small car is entertaining at times. Very reliable, everything that has needed replacing are normal service items, brakes, shocks and cambelt. Parts are cheap too.

James May tested a Polo on The Grand Tour in 2018 IIRC and said it was the real replacement for the original Golf as the latest ones had got too heavy and bloated.