Tradition in the world Navies.

[superquag]

What is the most odd 'Tradition' in EVERY Navy ? -

How about Submarines ? - Every torpedo everywhere is the same diameter... 21 inches or 533mm [biggrin]

Research and Discuss...[bighmmm]

[bob10]

I'll start the ball rolling. From Gun Plot;

Naval Customs, Traditions & Terminology | GUN PLOT (http://www.gunplot.net/main/content/naval-customs-traditions-terminology)

[NavyDiver]

What is the most odd 'Tradition' in EVERY Navy ? -

How about Submarines ? - Every torpedo everywhere is the same diameter... 21 inches or 533mm [biggrin]

Research and Discuss...[bighmmm]

Air dropped topedo's may be 22.5 inch[biggrin]

Mark 13. Mark 48. Tigerfish Mk24 and a cool new one are all at 21 inch
Mark 48 move at 30 knots- about 50kph. A Speedster Spearfish is a gas turbine engine beast driving a jet, speed of 80 knots 148 kph underwater!

A Mark 48 cost about USD$800,000 each! Spearfish cost would not be cheap [biggrin] That is one thing all Navys know we are great at $$$$$$$$$$$[bighmmm]

Air warfare became a Navy pet- what is very clear that tradition is changing fast to Autonomous drone sub surface, surface and air based.
BBC yarn is interesting on the topic (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60047328)

One tradition all navy's share is our colours/flag. Morning 'Colours' is raising and evening 'Sunset' is lowering. My baby is the white ensign of course

http://www.navy.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/content_image_full_width_no_sidebar/public/20091114ran8116382_082%20copy.jpeg?itok=dUtIS8Fo

[bob10]

Now " the Articles of War ". The ' Articles" were Law in a Warship, and were used in the RAN up until the mid 80's. I've had the " Articles of War " read to me during the infamous period back in the 60's when the pay structure for sailors was changed, to bring then into line with civilian practice. The Engineering branch suffered badly in the new wage scale, so much so that the fleet couldn't go to sea one day , when the ships in harbour had their Stokers walk off their ships and sit down on the triangle in Garden Island.

On the Vampire at that time, in Mackay, my mate and I came back on board after a good run ashore, to find that the Stokers had locked themselves in the Stokers mess, which was the most aft mess on the ship, 3 Quebec, by climbing out an escape hatch , locking the mess deck door, and back into the mess by the escape hatch. After the Skipper had defused the situation [ he was a decent bloke , no one wanted to do the wrong thing by him] All mess members were mustered on the forecastle and we had the Articles of War read to us. It was the first time that I encountered an old tradition, the second was ' Splice the mainbrace", a signal signed by' Elizabeth R ' at the conclusion of the Spithead review for Her Majesty's Silver Jubilee.

The Articles Of War 1757 | GUN PLOT (http://www.gunplot.net/main/content/articles-war-1757)

[bob10]

Air dropped topedo's may be 22.5 inch[biggrin]

Mark 13. Mark 48. Tigerfish Mk24 and a cool new one are all at 21 inch
Mark 48 move at 30 knots- about 50kph. A Speedster Spearfish is a gas turbine engine beast driving a jet, speed of 80 knots 148 kph underwater!

A Mark 48 cost about USD$800,000 each! Spearfish cost would not be cheap [biggrin] That is one thing all Navys know we are great at $$$$$$$$$$$[bighmmm]

Air warfare became a Navy pet- what is very clear that tradition is changing fast to Autonomous drone sub surface, surface and air based.
BBC yarn is interesting on the topic (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60047328)

One tradition all navy's share is our colours/flag. Morning 'Colours' is raising and evening 'Sunset' is lowering. My baby is the white ensign of course

http://www.navy.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/content_image_full_width_no_sidebar/public/20091114ran8116382_082%20copy.jpeg?itok=dUtIS8Fo

Whilst on Vampire in 1969 we fired the last 21 inch deck fitted torpedo fitted to an RAN destroyer, just before the modernisation of Vampire . It was off Singapore, our target was HMS London. She carried out a gunnery attack on us, with her 4,5 inch guns firing what they called 'off shot' I think it was, their gunnery system was offset by a number of degrees , which meant the fall of shot landed in an area whereby the accuracy could be calculated. We fired one torpedo , and London sent the signal, " Congratulations Vampire , your torpedo travelled under our bow". No war head of course, and set to run deep. London's gunnery was spot on. Poor old Vamps nearly shook herself to pieces, she was going so fast. My mate and I , off watch, climbed into the spud stowage aft of the fwd funnel. to watch.

I can proudly say I served under both Ensigns, the Southern Cross and this one.


https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.BWE4HpBp9azeGI5LlIspPwHaE6?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

[Saitch]

To me, the White Ensign, old or new, is the best of any navy. [thumbsupbig]

[Tins]

Splicing the Mainbrace has always seemed a little peculiar to me....

[Tins]

And then there's "Kiss me, Hardy", although I can't say that one caught on...

[V8Ian]

Splicing the Mainbrace has always seemed a little peculiar to me....
It comes from the days of sail. Sailors who climbed high into the rigging, to repair broken ropes, received an extra ration of rum.

[bob10]

It comes from the days of sail. Sailors who climbed high into the rigging, to repair broken ropes, received an extra ration of rum.

The mainbrace was the largest diameter part of the rigging holding it all together between the masts. Because of natural wear & tear, every so often a new one had to be made, and fitted. It was a massive job, took many hours , normally. An extra rum issue was the sweetener to keep everyone motivated. After the days of sail, the tradition was carried on for such things as major battles won, victory in War, or at the discretion of the Monarch / Admiralty.

[bob10]

And then there's "Kiss me, Hardy", although I can't say that one caught on...

Article 29, of the articles of War, probably tells why it didn't catch on. [ see post 4]

If any person in the fleet shall commit the unnatural and detestable sin of buggery and sodomy with man or beast, he shall be punished with death by the sentence of a court martial.

[ramblingboy42]

"throw me a bouy".....sailors cry

[chuck]

Not sure how much a tradition it is but i was christened on the HMAS Vendetta.

08 is Great.

Dad served under both ensigns as well.

[NavyDiver]

Splicing the Mainbrace has always seemed a little peculiar to me....
Spliced the main brace in Vancouver Canada. Their navy's 75 year anniversary [biggrin]

It was bonded rum over 100 years old. I was 17! I thought it tasted like **** at the time [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf] It was most definitely wasted on me at the time

[350RRC]

Spliced the main brace in Vancouver Canada. Their navy's 75 year anniversary [biggrin]

It was bonded rum over 100 years old. I was 17! I thought it tasted like **** at the time [bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf] It was most definitely wasted on me at the time

It won't have improved with even more age.

[101RRS]

Not sure how much a tradition it is but i was christened on the HMAS Vendetta.



The holy water would have been contained in the upturned ship's bell and sprinkled or poured over your head.

[Gumnut]

The holy water would have been contained in the upturned ship's bell and sprinkled or poured over your head.

And your name and date engraved on the inside of the bell...

Gumnut

[101RRS]

Yes - forgot that - ships having a bell is also a tradition from the past - fulfils no real purpose on a modern ship - just used to gong at colours - again another ceremonial tradition from the past.

[NavyDiver]

Yes - forgot that - ships having a bell is also a tradition from the past - fulfils no real purpose on a modern ship - just used to gong at colours - again another ceremonial tradition from the past.

Add that may crew babies names are engraved in many ships Bells. A yank example even recently (https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/2482014/kearsarge-continues-navy-tradition-with-ships-bell-baptismal-ceremony/)


All my ships had a list of kids names and dates. HMAS Paramatta 111 ships bell show its (https://historyandheritage.cityofparramatta.nsw.gov.au/research-topics/parramatta/ships-bell-hmas-parramatta-iii)list. As Bosuns Mate polishing the Bell along side during the middle watch (the GUTS watch) or others, I always had a look at the names inside the ships sparkling brass bell[thumbsupbig]

[V8Ian]

Add that may crew babies names are engraved in many ships Bells. A yank example even recently (https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/2482014/kearsarge-continues-navy-tradition-with-ships-bell-baptismal-ceremony/)


All my ships had a list of kids names and dates. HMAS Paramatta 111 ships bell show its (https://historyandheritage.cityofparramatta.nsw.gov.au/research-topics/parramatta/ships-bell-hmas-parramatta-iii)list. As Bosuns Mate polishing the Bell along side during the middle watch (the GUTS watch) or others, I always had a look at the names inside the ships sparkling brass bell[thumbsupbig]
So short names are preferable, Tom, Bob, Ed etc? [wink11]

[ramblingboy42]

did you use brasso to polish the bell?

I have an old steam train bell which is brass but I can never get it gleaming....possibly because I dont polish it every day and the mud wasps try to nest and the asian geckos **** and **** on it. It hangs outside my front door on a chain as a door bell. Funny , it's right in front of your face but hardly anyone rings it.

I know this is a naval thread but if there are any avid steam engine freaks it is/was built by Neilson & Co. Glasgow. 1865. has a number 1170 in the centre of the brass id plaque.

[windsock]

I know this is a naval thread but if there are any avid steam engine freaks it is/was built by Neilson & Co. Glasgow. 1865. has a number 1170 in the centre of the brass id plaque.

Going off the rails is an aulro norm I am told. Nice. Do you know the history of it? Queensland A10 Neilson class locomotive - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensland_A10_Neilson_class_locomotive) see the table of Loco numbers, and locations etc.

From what I can gather, it still works and is in the Workshops Rail Museum. See Workshops Rail Museum - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workshops_Rail_Museum)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/A10_No.6_Workshops_Rail_Museum.JPG

[V8Ian]

While we're on the branch line....

https://youtu.be/CFRnpx2dv3E
Biggs Camp, now renamed Grandchester, was the end of the first railway line in Queensland. It commenced at Ipswich, approximately 35km distant.

[101RRS]

Really - going off the rails (pun intended) by of all people two of the Mods - you gotta love it [bigrolf]

You need to be setting the example [thumbsupbig].

[superquag]

And then there's "Kiss me, Hardy", although I can't say that one caught on...

KISMET, (Mr) Hardey... as in "Fate".... Sheesh, [bigsad]

[superquag]

(Torpedos)

Partial Quote ND Air dropped topedo's may be 22.5 inch

Only because pilots insisted[bigsad]. 'Mine is bigger than yours...'[biggrin]

[V8Ian]

Really - going off the rails (pun intended) by of all people two of the Mods - you gotta love it [bigrolf]

You need to be setting the example [thumbsupbig].
Merely upholding AULRO tradition (there's a tenuous link), in meandering in and out of vaguely related subjects. [bigwhistle]
In my YouTube link, you could almost, not quite see my house. [tonguewink]
Example set. [bighmmm]

[101RRS]

(Torpedos)

Partial Quote ND Air dropped topedo's may be 22.5 inch

Only because pilots insisted[bigsad]. 'Mine is bigger than yours...'[biggrin]

Not sure but I dont believe 22.5" torpedoes were carried by specific torpedo aircraft - may have been carried by some modified aircraft for specific missions etc but in WW2 the standard size was 18".

For the last 60 to 70 years most aircraft carried 12.5" air launched torpedoes like the Mk 44 and 46 torpedos.

[350RRC]

Really - going off the rails (pun intended) by of all people two of the Mods - you gotta love it [bigrolf]

You need to be setting the example [thumbsupbig].

Moderation in moderation Garry.

DL

[JDNSW]

Really - going off the rails (pun intended) by of all people two of the Mods - you gotta love it [bigrolf]

You need to be setting the example [thumbsupbig].

They are - isn't this what we are supposed to do?

[RANDLOVER]

And then there's "Kiss me, Hardy", although I can't say that one caught on...<br>
<br>I believe Nelson actually said "Kismet, Hardy" as in Karma or fate. Although eye witnesses say he said "Thank God I have done my duty". My family comes from the area he eventually settled in, and one of their houses was actually named after the region.&nbsp;

[windsock]

Really - going off the rails (pun intended) by of all people two of the Mods - you gotta love it [bigrolf]

You need to be setting the example [thumbsupbig].

Ramblingboys post rang a bell! [biggrin]

[ramblingboy42]

jeez its loud if someone swings the clapper hard.....

you pussars know it's called a clapper , don't you?

[101RRS]

you pussars know it's called a clapper , don't you?

You know nuffin - its called a 'gonger' [thumbsupbig]

[ramblingboy42]

how about a uvula then?

[superquag]

how about a uvula then?

Nah, apart from possibly snoring, that one doesn't make noise... [bigsad]

[ramblingboy42]

yep just checked it in Wiki....

[NavyDiver]

Telling the time is interesting. Sun rise and set is NOT constant as you move. North /south or as we move around the sun ( seasons)

time to get up, time to go to bed is ok to be a bit off. Ships get lost or people die IF time is not reasonably correct at sea.

"Modern maps of the sky are remarkably precise, far more so than the catalogues used to compile the almanac employed by James and Worsley. Had the men been in possession of today's information, they'd have realised their clocks were actually running 22 seconds faster than they were accounting for. Just this error would have put the Endurance more than 3km east of Worsley's log coordinates. "

Link to the entire yarn (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60352606) which is a good one I think

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[V8Ian]

It's a wonder they ever found their way anywhere, or back.

Two chronometers the captain had,

One by Arnold that ran like mad,

One by Kendal in a walnut case,

Poor devoted creature with a hangdog face.



Arnold always hurried with a crazed click-click

Dancing over Greenwich like a lunatic,

Kendal panted faithfully his watch-dog beat,

Climbing out of Yesterday with sticky little feet.



Arnold choked with appetite to wolf up time,

Madly round the numerals his hands would climb,

His cogs rushed over and his wheels ran miles,

Dragging Captain Cook to the Sandwich Isles.



But Kendal dawdled in the tombstoned past,

With a sentimental prejudice to going fast,

And he thought very often of a haberdasher’s door

And a yellow-haired boy who would knock no more.



All through the night-time, clock talked to clock,

In the captain’s cabin, tock-tock-tock,

One ticked fast and one ticked slow,

And Time went over them a hundred years ago.

By Kenith Slessor in 1931.

[NavyDiver]

It's a wonder they ever found their way anywhere, or back.

Two chronometers the captain had,

One by Arnold that ran like mad,

One by Kendal in a walnut case,

Poor devoted creature with a hangdog face.



Arnold always hurried with a crazed click-click

Dancing over Greenwich like a lunatic,

Kendal panted faithfully his watch-dog beat,

Climbing out of Yesterday with sticky little feet.



Arnold choked with appetite to wolf up time,

Madly round the numerals his hands would climb,

His cogs rushed over and his wheels ran miles,

Dragging Captain Cook to the Sandwich Isles.



But Kendal dawdled in the tombstoned past,

With a sentimental prejudice to going fast,

And he thought very often of a haberdasher’s door

And a yellow-haired boy who would knock no more.



All through the night-time, clock talked to clock,

In the captain’s cabin, tock-tock-tock,

One ticked fast and one ticked slow,

And Time went over them a hundred years ago.

By Kenith Slessor in 1931.

Loved that it was possibly only out by 20 seconds Ian. That's dammed close. Noting ship wreak coast not far from here could kill you if out by 20 seconds at that time[biggrin]

[austastar]

Hi,
If you get the chance to visit the museum at Woomera, check out the Len Beadle corner. His working calculations note book pages are covered with penciled calculations of star angles and associated trigonometry that just fried my brain cells.
Cheers

[superquag]

Hi,
If you get the chance to visit the museum at Woomera, check out the Len Beadle corner. His working calculations note book pages are covered with penciled calculations of star angles and associated trigonometry that just fried my brain cells.
Cheers

Understand. ' Navigation Numbers'.

Back in the day... that was "normal" for Grade 7 maths. All sorted by end of Year 8...[bigsad][bigsad][bigsad]

you want a challenge ? - Try terrestial use of a marine sextant.

My Old Man used one for tree-felling on his hobby farm, would calculate exact height... and drop them within a foot of a fence etc. Great entertainment for the neighbors... and he never ever gave them Full Value !

But then again, he went to sea aged 14, and learned everything on the job. Used to have some of his text books, a lifetime ago.
They had to know the load-carrying ability of various species of timber planks etc. as in bouancy .
- In differant oceans.... Salinity varies depending on location AND season !

Useless extra: - My son bumped into a cranky Senior Citizen at his work. Long story/Shrt, turns out he had been a sailor... under my old Man's command. - Son was disappointed to be told said Grandfather was.... "an illegetimate Captain".
But interesting, as we now know where HIS temper comes from !!!

[superquag]

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Picture Caption:- "i thought YOU put new batteries in the GPS..."

[4bee]

Now " the Articles of War ". The ' Articles" were Law in a Warship, and were used in the RAN up until the mid 80's. I've had the " Articles of War " read to me during the infamous period back in the 60's when the pay structure for sailors was changed, to bring then into line with civilian practice. The Engineering branch suffered badly in the new wage scale, so much so that the fleet couldn't go to sea one day , when the ships in harbour had their Stokers walk off their ships and sit down on the triangle in Garden Island.

On the Vampire at that time, in Mackay, my mate and I came back on board after a good run ashore, to find that the Stokers had locked themselves in the Stokers mess, which was the most aft mess on the ship, 3 Quebec, by climbing out an escape hatch , locking the mess deck door, and back into the mess by the escape hatch. After the Skipper had defused the situation [ he was a decent bloke , no one wanted to do the wrong thing by him] All mess members were mustered on the forecastle and we had the Articles of War read to us. It was the first time that I encountered an old tradition, the second was ' Splice the mainbrace", a signal signed by' Elizabeth R ' at the conclusion of the Spithead review for Her Majesty's Silver Jubilee.

The Articles Of War 1757 | GUN PLOT (http://www.gunplot.net/main/content/articles-war-1757)


Reading that, it has me whacked how any Press Ganged person would have had the ability to understand that, it being well known that they mostly would have been poorly educated & picked up off the Streets, Pubs, Brothels etc with no by your leave courtesy. To that end they would have been punished for not abiding/understanding the rulz.


S'funny that, I read this after assisting 'er indoors hang out the washing in the wind. outdoors. Weird or what?


Blowing a buster & trying to fasten sheets to the Hills Hoist, she made the observation that she felt sorry for the old Sailors on sailing ships trying to take in sail. Pressed Gang to boot.

Barefooted on icy yards, hanging on by the strength in their toes to foot ropes while manhandling stiff icy or wet heavy sails & ropes in the dark, sometimes falling to their deaths to land on or in the sea or Deck,soaking wet or frozen in their wet clothes. It couldn't have been much fun on the good ship Skylark.

Then go below & find some unknown bastard has pinched your hot grub that had been put aside for you & possibly your carefully stowed Rum issue & your bedding is wet.

Not happy Jan.[bigsad]:bat::rulez:

[4bee]

Understand. ' Navigation Numbers'.

Back in the day... that was "normal" for Grade 7 maths. All sorted by end of Year 8...[bigsad][bigsad][bigsad]

you want a challenge ? - Try terrestial use of a marine sextant.

My Old Man used one for tree-felling on his hobby farm, would calculate exact height... and drop them within a foot of a fence etc. Great entertainment for the neighbors... and he never ever gave them Full Value !

But then again, he went to sea aged 14, and learned everything on the job. Used to have some of his text books, a lifetime ago.
They had to know the load-carrying ability of various species of timber planks etc. as in bouancy .
- In differant oceans.... Salinity varies depending on location AND season !

Useless extra: - My son bumped into a cranky Senior Citizen at his work. Long story/Shrt, turns out he had been a sailor... under my old Man's command. - Son was disappointed to be told said Grandfather was.... "an illegetimate Captain".
But interesting, as we now know where HIS temper comes from !!!


My old Dad had a method which I thought was hilarious as a kid, but worked ok when ever I witnessed it was used.

You first stood a reasonable distance facing away from the tree then moved out to view the tree top, bent over looked at the tree top through your legs & (by passing your nuts I presume) somehow that was related to where the tree top would land. It seemed to work ok & I guess he had picked it up from the old blokes in the north of SA when trees were taken down to clear Paddocks for grain growing, House blocks, Townships etc.


I never did get to ask him about the theory of this method me being only 8 or 10 so you didn't did you.[bighmmm]



you want a challenge ? - Try terrestial use of a marine sextant. While the vessel is bouncing around going through all points of the compass.
[bigrolf]

[4bee]

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Last bloke in line with hands on Hips.

"I kept telling you, those D Cells were no ****ing good for propulsion , but would you listen? Now we have to walk back to New Zealand. That's another fine mess you've gotten me into, Stanley."
EDIT.
Antarctic expedition to renew search for Shackleton’s ship Endurance | Antarctica | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/05/antarctic-expedition-renew-search-shackleton-ship-endurance)


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[NavyDiver]

this is fun

"The last man hanged from the yardarm in the Royal Navy was Private John Dalliger, who in 1860 stole brandy and then shot two officers on board HMS Leven. Floggings were eventually banned from Royal Navy ships in 1881, but caning continued as an official punishment until 1967. As for keelhauling, while never an official punishment of the Royal Navy, it was nonetheless outlawed in the early 18th century.

" for more horrid navy history see It Was Brutal: Press Ganging, Keelhauling & Flogging in The Royal Navy (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/keelhauling-hanging-punishments.html)Poms by Australian crew subject to::
[B]THE ARTICLES OF WAR 1757

All commanders, captains, and officers, in or belonging to any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, shall cause the public worship of Almighty God, according to the liturgy of the Church of England established by law, to be solemnly, orderly and reverently performed in their respective ships; and shall take care that prayers and preaching, by the chaplains in holy orders of the respective ships, be performed diligently; and that the Lord's day be observed according to law.

All flag officers, and all persons in or belonging to His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, being guilty of profane oaths, cursings, execrations, drunkenness, uncleanness, or other scandalous actions, in derogation of God's honour, and corruption of good manners, shall incur such punishment as a court martial shall think fit to impose, and as the nature and degree of their offence shall deserve.

If any officer, mariner, soldier, or other person of the fleet, shall give, hold, or entertain intelligence to or with any enemy or rebel, without leave from the king's majesty, or the lord high admiral, or the commissioners for executing the office of lord high admiral, commander in chief, or his commanding officer, every such person so offending, and being thereof convicted by the sentence of a court martial, shall be punished with death.
If any letter of message from any enemy or rebel, be conveyed to any officer, mariner, or soldier or other in the fleet, and the said officer, mariner, or soldier, or other as aforesaid, shall not, within twelve hours, having opportunity so to do, acquaint his superior or a commanding officer, or if any superior officer being acquainted therewith, shall not in convenient time reveal the same to the commander in chief of the squadron, every such person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall be punished with death, or such other punishment as the nature and degree of the offense shall deserve, and the court martial shall impose.
All spies, and all persons whatsoever, who shall come, or be found, in the nature of spies, to bring or deliver any seducing letters or messages from any enemy or rebel, or endeavor to corrupt any captain, officer, mariner, or other in the fleet, to betray his trust, being convicted of any such offense by the sentence of the court martial, shall be punished with death, or such other punishment, as the nature and degree of the offence shall deserve, and the court martial shall impose.
No person in the fleet shall receive an enemy or rebel with money, victuals, powder, shot, arms, ammunition, or any other supplies whatsoever, directly or indirectly, upon pain of death, or such other punishment as the court martial shall think fit to impose, and as the nature and degree of the crime shall deserve.
All the papers, charter parties, bills of lading, passports, and other writings whatsoever, that shall be taken, seized, or found aboard any ship or ships which shall be surprised or taken as prize, shall be duly preserved, and the very originals shall by the commanding officer of the ship which shall take such prize, be sent entirely, and without fraud, to the court of the admiralty, or such other court of commissioners, as shall be authorized to determine whether such prize be lawful capture, there to be viewed, made use of, and proceeded upon according to law, upon pain that every person offending herein, shall forfeit and lose his share of the capture, and shall suffer such further punishment, as the nature and degree of his offense shall be found to deserve, and the court martial shall impose.
No person in or belonging to the fleet shall take out of any prize, or ship seized for prize, any money, plate, or goods, unless it shall be necessary for the better securing thereof, or for the necessary use and service of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, before the same be adjudged lawful prize in some admiralty court; but the full and entire account of the whole, without embezzlement, shall be brought in, and judgment passed entirely upon the whole without fraud, upon pain that every person offending him shall forfeit and lose his share of the capture, and suffer such further punishment as shall be imposed by a court martial, or such court of admiralty, according to the nature and degree of the offense.
If any ship or vessel be taken as prize, none of the officers, mariners, or other persons on board her, shall be stripped of their clothes, or in any sort pillaged, beaten, or evil-intreated, upon the pain that the person or persons so offending, shall be liable to such punishment as a court martial shall think fit to inflict.
Every flag officer, captain and commander in the fleet, who, upon signal or order of fight, or sight of any ship or ships which it may be his duty to engage, or who, upon likelihood of engagement, shall not make the necessary preparations for fight, and shall not in his own person, and according to his place, encourage the inferior officers and men to fight courageously, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as from the nature and degree of the offence a court martial shall deem him to deserve; and if any person in the fleet shall treacherously or cowardly yield or cry for quarter, every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
Every person in the fleet, who shall not duly observe the orders of the admiral, flag officer, commander of any squadron or division, or other his superior officer, for assailing, joining battle with, or making defense against any fleet, squadron, or ship, or shall not obey the orders of his superior officer as aforesaid in the time of action, to the best of his power, or shall not use all possible endeavours to put the same effectually into execution, every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as from the nature and degree of the offence a court martial shall deem him to deserve.
Every person in the fleet, who through cowardice, negligence, or disaffection, shall in time of action withdraw or keep back, or not come into the fight or engagement, or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage, and to assist and relieve all and every of His Majesty's ships, or those of his allies, which it shall be his duty to assist and relieve, every such person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
Every person in the fleet, who though cowardice, negligence, or disaffection, shall forbear to pursue the chase of any enemy, pirate or rebel, beaten or flying; or shall not relieve or assist a known friend in view to the utmost of his power; being convicted of any such offense by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
If when action, or any service shall be commanded, any person in the fleet shall presume or to delay or discourage the said action or service, upon pretence of arrears of wages, or upon any pretence whatsoever, every person so offending, being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as from the nature and degree of the offense a court martial shall deem him to deserve.
Every person in or belonging to the fleet, who shall desert or entice others so to do, shall suffer death, or such other punishment as the circumstances of the offense shall deserve, and a court martial shall judge fit: and if any commanding officer of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war shall receive or entertain a deserter from any other of His Majesty's ships or vessels, after discovering him to be such deserter, and shall not with all convenient speed give notice to the captain of the ship or vessel to which such deserter belongs; or if the said ships or vessels are at any considerable distance from each other, to the secretary of the admiralty, or to the commander in chief; every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall be cashiered.
Every person in or belonging to the fleet, who shall desert or entice others to do so, shall suffer death, or such other punishment as the circumstances of the offense shall deserve, and a court martial shall judge fit: and if any commanding officer of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war shall receive or entertain a deserter from any other of His Majesty's ships or vessels, after discovering him to be such deserter, and shall not with all convenient speed give notice to the captain of the ship or vessel to which such deserter belongs; or if the said ships or vessels are at any considerable distance from each other, to the secretary of the admiralty, or to the commander in chief; every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, shall be cashiered.
The officers and seamen of all ships appointed for convoy and guard of merchant ships, or of any other, shall diligently attend upon that charge, without delay, according to their instructions in that behalf; and whosoever shall be faulty therein, and shall not faithfully perform their duty, and defend the ships and goods in their convoy, without either diverting to other parts or occasions, or refusing or neglecting to fight in their defence, if they be assailed, or running away cowardly, and submitting the ships in their convoy to peril and hazard; or shall demand or exact any money or other reward from any merchant or master for convoying any ships or vessels entrusted to their care, or shall misuse the masters or mariners thereof; shall be condemned to make reparation of the damage to the merchants, owners, and others, as the court of admiralty shall adjudge, and also be punished criminally according to the quality of their offences, be it by pains of death, or other punishment, according as shall be adjudged fit by the court martial.
If any captain, commander, or other officer of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels, shall receive on board, or permit to be received on board such ship or vessel, any goods or merchandises whatsoever, other than for the sole use of the ship or vessel, except gold, silver, or jewels, and except the goods and merchandisers belonging to any merchant, or other ship or vessel which may be shipwrecked, or in imminent danger of being shipwrecked, either on the high seas, or in any port, creek, or harbour, in order to the preserving them for their proper owners, and except such goods or merchandisers as he shall at any time be ordered to take or receive on board by order of the lord high admiral of Great Britain, or the commissioners for executing the office of lord high admiral for the time being; every person so offending, being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial shall be cashiered, and be for ever afterwards rendered incapable to serve in any place or office in the naval service of His Majesty, his heirs and successors.
If any person in or belonging to the fleet shall make or endeavor to make any mutinous assembly upon any pretence whatsoever, every person offending herein, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall suffer death: and if any person in or belonging to the fleet shall utter any words of sedition or mutiny, he shall suffer death, or such other punishment as a court martial shall deem him to deserve: and if any officer, mariner, or soldier on or belonging to the fleet, shall behave himself with contempt to his superior officer, being in the execution of his office, he shall be punished according to the nature of his offence by the judgment of a court martial.
If any person in the fleet shall conceal any traitorous or mutinous practice or design, being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, he shall suffer death, or any other punishment as a court martial shall think fit; and if any person, in or belonging to the fleet, shall conceal any traitorous or mutinous words spoken by any, to the prejudice of His Majesty or government, or any words, practice, or design, tending to the hindrance of the service, and shall not forthwith reveal the same to the commanding officer, or being present at any mutiny or sedition, shall not use his utmost endeavours to suppress the same, he shall be punished as a court martial shall think he deserves.
If any person in the fleet shall find cause of complaint of the unwholesomeness of the victual, or upon other just ground, he shall quietly make the same known to his superior, or captain, or commander in chief, as the occasion may deserve, that such present remedy may be had as the matter may require; and the said superior, captain, or commander in chief, shall, as far as he is able, cause the same to be presently remedied; and no person in the fleet, upon any such or other pretence, shall attempt to stir up any disturbance, upon pain of such punishment, as a court martial shall think fit to inflict, according to the degree of the offence.
If any officer, mariner, soldier or other person in the fleet, shall strike any of his superior officers, or draw, or offer to draw, or lift up any weapon against him, being in the execution of his office, on any pretence whatsoever, every such person being convicted of any such offense, by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death; and if any officer, mariner, soldier or other person in the fleet, shall presume to quarrel with any of his superior officers, being in the execution of his office, or shall disobey any lawful command of any of his superior officers; every such person being convicted of any such offence, by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as shall, according to the nature and degree of his offence, be inflicted upon him by the sentence of a court martial.
If any person in the fleet shall quarrel or fight with any other person in the fleet, or use reproachful or provoking speeches or gestures, tending to make any quarrel or disturbance, he shall, upon being convicted thereof, suffer such punishment as the offence shall deserve, and a court martial shall impose.
There shall be no wasteful expense of any powder, shot, ammunition, or other stores in the fleet, nor any embezzlement thereof, but the stores and provisions shall be careful preserved , upon pain of such punishment to be inflicted upon the offenders, abettors, buyers and receivers (being persons subject to naval discipline) as shall be by a court martial found just in that behalf.
Every person in the fleet, who shall unlawfully burn or set fire to any magazine or store of powder, or ship, boat, ketch, hoy or vessel, or tackle or furniture thereunto belonging, not then appertaining to an enemy, pirate, or rebel, being convicted of any such offence, by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
Care shall be taken in the conducting and steering of any of His Majesty's ships, that through willfulness, negligence, or other defaults, no ship be stranded, or run upon any rocks or sands, or split or hazarded, upon pain, that such as shall be found guilty therein, be punished by death, or such other punishment, as the offence by a court martial shall be judged to deserve.
No person in or belonging to the fleet shall sleep upon his watch, or negligently perform the duty imposed on him, or forsake his station, upon pain of death, or such other punishment as a court martial shall think fit to impose, and as the circumstances of the case shall require.
All murders committed by any person in the fleet, shall be punished with death by the sentence of a court martial.
If any person in the fleet shall commit the unnatural and detestable sin of buggery and sodomy with man or beast, he shall be punished with death by the sentence of a court martial.
All robbery committed by any person in the fleet, shall be punished with death, or otherwise, as a court martial, upon consideration of the circumstances, shall find meet.
Every officer or other person in the fleet, who shall knowingly make or sign a false muster or muster book, or who shall command, counsel, or procure the making or signing thereof, or who shall aid or abet any other person in the making or signing thereof, shall, upon proof of any such offence being made before a court martial, be cashiered, and rendered incapable of further employment in His Majesty's naval service.
No provost martial belonging to the fleet shall refuse to apprehend any criminal, whom he shall be authorized by legal warrant to apprehend, or to receive or keep any prisoner committed to his charge, or willfully suffer him to escape, being once in his custody, or dismiss him without lawful order, upon pain of such punishment as a court martial shall deem him fit to deserve; and all captains, officers, and others in the fleet, shall do their endeavour to detect, apprehend, and bring to punishment all offenders, and shall assist the officers appointed for that purpose therein, upon pain of being proceeded against, and punished by a court martial, according to the nature and degree of the offence.
If any flag officer, captain, or commander, or lieutenant belonging to the fleet, shall be convicted before a court martial of behaving in a scandalous, infamous, cruel, oppressive, or fraudulent manner, unbecoming the character of an officer, he shall be dismissed from His Majesty's service.
Every person being in actual service and full pay, and part of the crew in or belonging to any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, who shall be guilty of mutiny, desertion, or disobedience to any lawful command, in any part of His Majesty's dominions on shore, when in actual service relative to the fleet, shall be liable to be tried by a court martial, and suffer the like punishment for every such offence, as if the same had been committed at sea on board any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war.
If any person who shall be in the actual service and full pay of His Majesty' ships and vessels of war, shall commit upon the shore, in any place or places out of His Majesty's dominions, any of the crimes punishable by these articles and orders, the person so offending shall be liable to be tried and punished for the same, in like manner, to all intents and purposes, as if the same crimes had been committed at sea, on board any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war.
All other crimes not capital committed by any person or persons in the fleet, which are not mentioned in this act, or for which no punishment is hereby directed to be inflicted, shall be punished by the laws and customs in such cases used at sea.

From the gunplot (http://www.gunplot.net/navalhistory/articlesofwar.html) which also list PUNISHMENT with all the gore :)

[4bee]

this is fun

"The last man hanged from the yardarm in the Royal Navy was Private John Dalliger, who in 1860 stole brandy and then shot two officers on board HMS Leven. Floggings were eventually banned from Royal Navy ships in 1881, but caning continued as an official punishment until 1967. As for keelhauling, while never an official punishment of the Royal Navy, it was nonetheless outlawed in the early 18th century.

" for more horrid navy history see It Was Brutal: Press Ganging, Keelhauling & Flogging in The Royal Navy (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/keelhauling-hanging-punishments.html)Poms by Australian crew subject to::
[B]THE ARTICLES OF WAR 1757

All commanders, captains, and officers, in or belonging to any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, shall cause the public worship of Almighty God, according to the liturgy of the Church of England established by law, to be solemnly, orderly and reverently performed in their respective ships; and shall take care that prayers and preaching, by the chaplains in holy orders of the respective ships, be performed diligently; and that the Lord's day be observed according to law.
All flag officers, and all persons in or belonging to His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, being guilty of profane oaths, cursings, execrations, drunkenness, uncleanness, or other scandalous actions, in derogation of God's honour, and corruption of good manners, shall incur such punishment as a court martial shall think fit to impose, and as the nature and degree of their offence shall deserve.
If any officer, mariner, soldier, or other person of the fleet, shall give, hold, or entertain intelligence to or with any enemy or rebel, without leave from the king's majesty, or the lord high admiral, or the commissioners for executing the office of lord high admiral, commander in chief, or his commanding officer, every such person so offending, and being thereof convicted by the sentence of a court martial, shall be punished with death.
If any letter of message from any enemy or rebel, be conveyed to any officer, mariner, or soldier or other in the fleet, and the said officer, mariner, or soldier, or other as aforesaid, shall not, within twelve hours, having opportunity so to do, acquaint his superior or a commanding officer, or if any superior officer being acquainted therewith, shall not in convenient time reveal the same to the commander in chief of the squadron, every such person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall be punished with death, or such other punishment as the nature and degree of the offense shall deserve, and the court martial shall impose.
All spies, and all persons whatsoever, who shall come, or be found, in the nature of spies, to bring or deliver any seducing letters or messages from any enemy or rebel, or endeavor to corrupt any captain, officer, mariner, or other in the fleet, to betray his trust, being convicted of any such offense by the sentence of the court martial, shall be punished with death, or such other punishment, as the nature and degree of the offence shall deserve, and the court martial shall impose.
No person in the fleet shall receive an enemy or rebel with money, victuals, powder, shot, arms, ammunition, or any other supplies whatsoever, directly or indirectly, upon pain of death, or such other punishment as the court martial shall think fit to impose, and as the nature and degree of the crime shall deserve.
All the papers, charter parties, bills of lading, passports, and other writings whatsoever, that shall be taken, seized, or found aboard any ship or ships which shall be surprised or taken as prize, shall be duly preserved, and the very originals shall by the commanding officer of the ship which shall take such prize, be sent entirely, and without fraud, to the court of the admiralty, or such other court of commissioners, as shall be authorized to determine whether such prize be lawful capture, there to be viewed, made use of, and proceeded upon according to law, upon pain that every person offending herein, shall forfeit and lose his share of the capture, and shall suffer such further punishment, as the nature and degree of his offense shall be found to deserve, and the court martial shall impose.
No person in or belonging to the fleet shall take out of any prize, or ship seized for prize, any money, plate, or goods, unless it shall be necessary for the better securing thereof, or for the necessary use and service of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, before the same be adjudged lawful prize in some admiralty court; but the full and entire account of the whole, without embezzlement, shall be brought in, and judgment passed entirely upon the whole without fraud, upon pain that every person offending him shall forfeit and lose his share of the capture, and suffer such further punishment as shall be imposed by a court martial, or such court of admiralty, according to the nature and degree of the offense.
If any ship or vessel be taken as prize, none of the officers, mariners, or other persons on board her, shall be stripped of their clothes, or in any sort pillaged, beaten, or evil-intreated, upon the pain that the person or persons so offending, shall be liable to such punishment as a court martial shall think fit to inflict.
Every flag officer, captain and commander in the fleet, who, upon signal or order of fight, or sight of any ship or ships which it may be his duty to engage, or who, upon likelihood of engagement, shall not make the necessary preparations for fight, and shall not in his own person, and according to his place, encourage the inferior officers and men to fight courageously, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as from the nature and degree of the offence a court martial shall deem him to deserve; and if any person in the fleet shall treacherously or cowardly yield or cry for quarter, every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
Every person in the fleet, who shall not duly observe the orders of the admiral, flag officer, commander of any squadron or division, or other his superior officer, for assailing, joining battle with, or making defense against any fleet, squadron, or ship, or shall not obey the orders of his superior officer as aforesaid in the time of action, to the best of his power, or shall not use all possible endeavours to put the same effectually into execution, every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as from the nature and degree of the offence a court martial shall deem him to deserve.
Every person in the fleet, who through cowardice, negligence, or disaffection, shall in time of action withdraw or keep back, or not come into the fight or engagement, or shall not do his utmost to take or destroy every ship which it shall be his duty to engage, and to assist and relieve all and every of His Majesty's ships, or those of his allies, which it shall be his duty to assist and relieve, every such person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
Every person in the fleet, who though cowardice, negligence, or disaffection, shall forbear to pursue the chase of any enemy, pirate or rebel, beaten or flying; or shall not relieve or assist a known friend in view to the utmost of his power; being convicted of any such offense by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
If when action, or any service shall be commanded, any person in the fleet shall presume or to delay or discourage the said action or service, upon pretence of arrears of wages, or upon any pretence whatsoever, every person so offending, being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as from the nature and degree of the offense a court martial shall deem him to deserve.
Every person in or belonging to the fleet, who shall desert or entice others so to do, shall suffer death, or such other punishment as the circumstances of the offense shall deserve, and a court martial shall judge fit: and if any commanding officer of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war shall receive or entertain a deserter from any other of His Majesty's ships or vessels, after discovering him to be such deserter, and shall not with all convenient speed give notice to the captain of the ship or vessel to which such deserter belongs; or if the said ships or vessels are at any considerable distance from each other, to the secretary of the admiralty, or to the commander in chief; every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall be cashiered.
Every person in or belonging to the fleet, who shall desert or entice others to do so, shall suffer death, or such other punishment as the circumstances of the offense shall deserve, and a court martial shall judge fit: and if any commanding officer of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war shall receive or entertain a deserter from any other of His Majesty's ships or vessels, after discovering him to be such deserter, and shall not with all convenient speed give notice to the captain of the ship or vessel to which such deserter belongs; or if the said ships or vessels are at any considerable distance from each other, to the secretary of the admiralty, or to the commander in chief; every person so offending, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, shall be cashiered.
The officers and seamen of all ships appointed for convoy and guard of merchant ships, or of any other, shall diligently attend upon that charge, without delay, according to their instructions in that behalf; and whosoever shall be faulty therein, and shall not faithfully perform their duty, and defend the ships and goods in their convoy, without either diverting to other parts or occasions, or refusing or neglecting to fight in their defence, if they be assailed, or running away cowardly, and submitting the ships in their convoy to peril and hazard; or shall demand or exact any money or other reward from any merchant or master for convoying any ships or vessels entrusted to their care, or shall misuse the masters or mariners thereof; shall be condemned to make reparation of the damage to the merchants, owners, and others, as the court of admiralty shall adjudge, and also be punished criminally according to the quality of their offences, be it by pains of death, or other punishment, according as shall be adjudged fit by the court martial.
If any captain, commander, or other officer of any of His Majesty's ships or vessels, shall receive on board, or permit to be received on board such ship or vessel, any goods or merchandises whatsoever, other than for the sole use of the ship or vessel, except gold, silver, or jewels, and except the goods and merchandisers belonging to any merchant, or other ship or vessel which may be shipwrecked, or in imminent danger of being shipwrecked, either on the high seas, or in any port, creek, or harbour, in order to the preserving them for their proper owners, and except such goods or merchandisers as he shall at any time be ordered to take or receive on board by order of the lord high admiral of Great Britain, or the commissioners for executing the office of lord high admiral for the time being; every person so offending, being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial shall be cashiered, and be for ever afterwards rendered incapable to serve in any place or office in the naval service of His Majesty, his heirs and successors.
If any person in or belonging to the fleet shall make or endeavor to make any mutinous assembly upon any pretence whatsoever, every person offending herein, and being convicted thereof by the sentence of the court martial, shall suffer death: and if any person in or belonging to the fleet shall utter any words of sedition or mutiny, he shall suffer death, or such other punishment as a court martial shall deem him to deserve: and if any officer, mariner, or soldier on or belonging to the fleet, shall behave himself with contempt to his superior officer, being in the execution of his office, he shall be punished according to the nature of his offence by the judgment of a court martial.
If any person in the fleet shall conceal any traitorous or mutinous practice or design, being convicted thereof by the sentence of a court martial, he shall suffer death, or any other punishment as a court martial shall think fit; and if any person, in or belonging to the fleet, shall conceal any traitorous or mutinous words spoken by any, to the prejudice of His Majesty or government, or any words, practice, or design, tending to the hindrance of the service, and shall not forthwith reveal the same to the commanding officer, or being present at any mutiny or sedition, shall not use his utmost endeavours to suppress the same, he shall be punished as a court martial shall think he deserves.
If any person in the fleet shall find cause of complaint of the unwholesomeness of the victual, or upon other just ground, he shall quietly make the same known to his superior, or captain, or commander in chief, as the occasion may deserve, that such present remedy may be had as the matter may require; and the said superior, captain, or commander in chief, shall, as far as he is able, cause the same to be presently remedied; and no person in the fleet, upon any such or other pretence, shall attempt to stir up any disturbance, upon pain of such punishment, as a court martial shall think fit to inflict, according to the degree of the offence.
If any officer, mariner, soldier or other person in the fleet, shall strike any of his superior officers, or draw, or offer to draw, or lift up any weapon against him, being in the execution of his office, on any pretence whatsoever, every such person being convicted of any such offense, by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death; and if any officer, mariner, soldier or other person in the fleet, shall presume to quarrel with any of his superior officers, being in the execution of his office, or shall disobey any lawful command of any of his superior officers; every such person being convicted of any such offence, by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death, or such other punishment, as shall, according to the nature and degree of his offence, be inflicted upon him by the sentence of a court martial.
If any person in the fleet shall quarrel or fight with any other person in the fleet, or use reproachful or provoking speeches or gestures, tending to make any quarrel or disturbance, he shall, upon being convicted thereof, suffer such punishment as the offence shall deserve, and a court martial shall impose.
There shall be no wasteful expense of any powder, shot, ammunition, or other stores in the fleet, nor any embezzlement thereof, but the stores and provisions shall be careful preserved , upon pain of such punishment to be inflicted upon the offenders, abettors, buyers and receivers (being persons subject to naval discipline) as shall be by a court martial found just in that behalf.
Every person in the fleet, who shall unlawfully burn or set fire to any magazine or store of powder, or ship, boat, ketch, hoy or vessel, or tackle or furniture thereunto belonging, not then appertaining to an enemy, pirate, or rebel, being convicted of any such offence, by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.
Care shall be taken in the conducting and steering of any of His Majesty's ships, that through willfulness, negligence, or other defaults, no ship be stranded, or run upon any rocks or sands, or split or hazarded, upon pain, that such as shall be found guilty therein, be punished by death, or such other punishment, as the offence by a court martial shall be judged to deserve.
No person in or belonging to the fleet shall sleep upon his watch, or negligently perform the duty imposed on him, or forsake his station, upon pain of death, or such other punishment as a court martial shall think fit to impose, and as the circumstances of the case shall require.
All murders committed by any person in the fleet, shall be punished with death by the sentence of a court martial.
If any person in the fleet shall commit the unnatural and detestable sin of buggery and sodomy with man or beast, he shall be punished with death by the sentence of a court martial.
All robbery committed by any person in the fleet, shall be punished with death, or otherwise, as a court martial, upon consideration of the circumstances, shall find meet.
Every officer or other person in the fleet, who shall knowingly make or sign a false muster or muster book, or who shall command, counsel, or procure the making or signing thereof, or who shall aid or abet any other person in the making or signing thereof, shall, upon proof of any such offence being made before a court martial, be cashiered, and rendered incapable of further employment in His Majesty's naval service.
No provost martial belonging to the fleet shall refuse to apprehend any criminal, whom he shall be authorized by legal warrant to apprehend, or to receive or keep any prisoner committed to his charge, or willfully suffer him to escape, being once in his custody, or dismiss him without lawful order, upon pain of such punishment as a court martial shall deem him fit to deserve; and all captains, officers, and others in the fleet, shall do their endeavour to detect, apprehend, and bring to punishment all offenders, and shall assist the officers appointed for that purpose therein, upon pain of being proceeded against, and punished by a court martial, according to the nature and degree of the offence.
If any flag officer, captain, or commander, or lieutenant belonging to the fleet, shall be convicted before a court martial of behaving in a scandalous, infamous, cruel, oppressive, or fraudulent manner, unbecoming the character of an officer, he shall be dismissed from His Majesty's service.
Every person being in actual service and full pay, and part of the crew in or belonging to any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war, who shall be guilty of mutiny, desertion, or disobedience to any lawful command, in any part of His Majesty's dominions on shore, when in actual service relative to the fleet, shall be liable to be tried by a court martial, and suffer the like punishment for every such offence, as if the same had been committed at sea on board any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war.
If any person who shall be in the actual service and full pay of His Majesty' ships and vessels of war, shall commit upon the shore, in any place or places out of His Majesty's dominions, any of the crimes punishable by these articles and orders, the person so offending shall be liable to be tried and punished for the same, in like manner, to all intents and purposes, as if the same crimes had been committed at sea, on board any of His Majesty's ships or vessels of war.
All other crimes not capital committed by any person or persons in the fleet, which are not mentioned in this act, or for which no punishment is hereby directed to be inflicted, shall be punished by the laws and customs in such cases used at sea.

From the gunplot (http://www.gunplot.net/navalhistory/articlesofwar.html) which also list PUNISHMENT with all the gore :)







If any person in the fleet shall commit the unnatural and detestable sin of buggery and sodomy with man or beast, he shall be punished with death by the sentence of a court martial.

There wouldn't have been enough blokes left to put to sea with especially if they were carrying Store sheep & nice young Midshipmen.. Probably.:wallbash::no2::rulez:

[4bee]

Hi,
If you get the chance to visit the museum at Woomera, check out the Len Beadle corner. His working calculations note book pages are covered with penciled calculations of star angles and associated trigonometry that just fried my brain cells.
Cheers

Apparently he did those calculations by torch light all through the night alone in the deserts to enable the road works to keep moving.



What a Guy!

:TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow:

[4bee]

There wouldn't have been enough blokes to put to sea especially if they were carrying Store sheep & nice young Midshipmen.. Probably.:wallbash::no2::rulez:




How do those compare to QR & O or KR&O back then?

[RANDLOVER]

Pirates also had a code like this on from Henry Morgan, interestingly the Capt. usually only got a double share of any loot, unlike today's CEO's which are on 300 times their average employee's rate or larger. Pirate code - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_code#:~:text=A%20pirate%20code%2C%20pirate% 20articles,and%20compensation%20for%20injured%20pi rates.)


I. The fund of all payments under the articles is the stock of what is gotten by the expedition, following the same law as other pirates, that is, No prey, no pay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_prey,_no_pay).
II. Compensation is provided the Captain for the use of his ship, and the salary of the carpenter, or shipwright, who mended, careened, and rigged the vessel (the latter usually about 150 pieces of eight). A sum for provisions and victuals is specified, usually 200 pieces of eight. A salary and compensation is specified for the surgeon and his medicine chest, usually 250 pieces of eight.
III. A standard compensation is provided for maimed and mutilated buccaneers. "Thus they order for the loss of a right arm six hundred pieces of eight, or six slaves ; for the loss of a left arm five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for a right leg five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for the left leg four hundred pieces of eight, or four slaves ; for an eye one hundred pieces of eight, or one slave ; for a finger of the hand the same reward as for the eye.
IV. Shares of booty are provided as follows: "the Captain, or chief Commander, is allotted five or six portions to what the ordinary seamen have ; the Master's Mate only two ; and Officers proportionate to their employment. After whom they draw equal parts from the highest even to the lowest mariner, the boys not being omitted. For even these draw half a share, by reason that, when they happen to take a better vessel than their own, it is the duty of the boys to set fire to the ship or boat wherein they are, and then retire to the prize which they have taken."
V. "In the prizes they take, it is severely prohibited to every one to usurp anything, in particular to themselves. ... Yea, they make a solemn oath to each other not to abscond, or conceal the least thing they find amongst the prey. If afterwards any one is found unfaithful, who has contravened the said oath, immediately he is separated and turned out of the society."

[VladTepes]

...torpedoes... in WW2 the standard size was 18".

For the last 60 to 70 years most aircraft carried 12.5" air launched torpedoes like the Mk 44 and 46 torpedos.

In the Colonial era, the Whitehead torpedos (1866-) were 17.7 inch.

[4bee]

Pirates also had a code like this on from Henry Morgan, interestingly the Capt. usually only got a double share of any loot, unlike today's CEO's which are on 300 times their average employee's rate or larger. Pirate code - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_code#:~:text=A%20pirate%20code%2C%20pirate% 20articles,and%20compensation%20for%20injured%20pi rates.)


I. The fund of all payments under the articles is the stock of what is gotten by the expedition, following the same law as other pirates, that is, No prey, no pay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_prey,_no_pay).
II. Compensation is provided the Captain for the use of his ship, and the salary of the carpenter, or shipwright, who mended, careened, and rigged the vessel (the latter usually about 150 pieces of eight). A sum for provisions and victuals is specified, usually 200 pieces of eight. A salary and compensation is specified for the surgeon and his medicine chest, usually 250 pieces of eight.
III. A standard compensation is provided for maimed and mutilated buccaneers. "Thus they order for the loss of a right arm six hundred pieces of eight, or six slaves ; for the loss of a left arm five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for a right leg five hundred pieces of eight, or five slaves ; for the left leg four hundred pieces of eight, or four slaves ; for an eye one hundred pieces of eight, or one slave ; for a finger of the hand the same reward as for the eye.
IV. Shares of booty are provided as follows: "the Captain, or chief Commander, is allotted five or six portions to what the ordinary seamen have ; the Master's Mate only two ; and Officers proportionate to their employment. After whom they draw equal parts from the highest even to the lowest mariner, the boys not being omitted. For even these draw half a share, by reason that, when they happen to take a better vessel than their own, it is the duty of the boys to set fire to the ship or boat wherein they are, and then retire to the prize which they have taken."
V. "In the prizes they take, it is severely prohibited to every one to usurp anything, in particular to themselves. ... Yea, they make a solemn oath to each other not to abscond, or conceal the least thing they find amongst the prey. If afterwards any one is found unfaithful, who has contravened the said oath, immediately he is separated and turned out of the society."




Good old Uncle Henry, he knew what he was about.[bigrolf]:rulez::soapbox:

Wonder why a left leg was any less expensive than a Right one.
Unc has a lot of explaining to do.

[ramblingboy42]

I have a copy of an "original" Pirates Creed of Ethics I purchased while cruising the Caribbean about ten years ago.

I also bought a book considered to be the most authoritative and highly literate account of the pirates called Under the Black Flag.

The appendices, glossary and notes at the back of the book are most interesting.

[V8Ian]

I have a copy of an "original" Pirates Creed of Ethics I purchased while cruising the Caribbean about ten years ago.

I also bought a book considered to be the most authoritative and highly literate account of the pirates called Under the Black Flag.

The appendices, glossary and notes at the back of the book are most interesting.
So if they didn't follow the pirate rules, you could instruct them to attend a code of conduct course?[biggrin]

[4bee]

I have a copy of an "original" Pirates Creed of Ethics I purchased while cruising the Caribbean about ten years ago.

I also bought a book considered to be the most authoritative and highly literate account of the pirates called Under the Black Flag.

The appendices, glossary and notes at the back of the book are most interesting.




Aye Matey, were you a Morgan Pirate?


Short Story.


Not long after the end of WW2 a Royal Navy vice admiral (?)l visited Port Adelaide. He claimed to be a relly of Sir Henry Morgan & the Adelaide newspapers ran a story about him with a photo, blah ,blah ,blah.



I remember my old Dad saying that this hossifer was a relative of his family , no idea what it was based on but whether someone had done a Family Tree or whatever back then is unknown but he was really certain about this bloke.

Must try & dig up some more info about him but I had not given this another thought until this thread.



Odd though, I have always had this attraction to ships & the sea & loved visiting Port Adelaide with my Dad on his working days there. He was a Transport Driver & delivered stuff around the Port to & from visiting Merchant ships which in those days was plentiful with the Port being full most days..
Was for years a member of a Sea Scout Troop & loved the boating/sailing activities. The Polar Exploration Ship "Wyatt Earp"/Wongala was the Sea Scout Guard ship, (ex RAN but on loan at that time) which was moored to Buoys at Outer Harbour. Apparently she was far too small & under powered for the Antarctic work so the RAN took her back for something else. An LST I think may have been the next craft.

In fact it was on one of those days when I first heard the F bomb & tried to not appear a bit embarrassed.


It was when the old man delivered 2 Bower Anchors back to this Dutch ship & a driver mate stuck his head through the window to advise my old man to move the semi a bit because the ship couldn't reach it with their "****ing boom" GULP!

No idea why the anchors were separated from the ship. Maintenance of those &/or the bow of the ship needed some work.???? Anyway they were off loaded & we went off to the next exciting job.


HMAS Wyatt Earp - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Wyatt_Earp)



Sorry, what was the question?:Rolling:

[4bee]

HMAS Labuan (L3501) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Labuan_(L3501)#/media/File:HMAS_Labuan.jpg)

[jonesfam]

What is the difference between a Long Ton & a Short ton?
And why?
Jonesfam

[austastar]

Hi,
8<‐------------
The British ton is the long ton, which is 2240 pounds, and the U.S. ton is the short ton which is 2000 pounds. ... This causes the actual weight of the ton to differ between countries. To distinguish between the two tons, the smaller U.S. ton is called short, while the larger British ton is called long.
8<------------
Bit like their gallons, smaller, so they can have more of them.

Cheers

[V8Ian]

Then just to keep you on your toes, there is a tonne which is 2,205 lbs.

[4bee]

What is the difference between a Long Ton & a Short ton?
And why?
Jonesfam


Short Ton V Long Ton - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Short+Ton+V+Long+Ton)

UK Long Ton is 2,240 lbs

in a nutshell.

US short ton is 2000 lbs.

[4bee]

So if they didn't follow the pirate rules, you could instruct them to attend a code of conduct course?[biggrin]

Provided they left their Cutlasses & Tricorns out side.[bighmmm]

[JDNSW]

Hi,
8<‐------------
The British ton is the long ton, which is 2240 pounds, and the U.S. ton is the short ton which is 2000 pounds. ... This causes the actual weight of the ton to differ between countries. To distinguish between the two tons, the smaller U.S. ton is called short, while the larger British ton is called long.
8<------------
Bit like their gallons, smaller, so they can have more of them.

Cheers

As to why the ton (not "British ton") is 2240lbs -

A ton equals 20cwt or hundredweight. Why is a hundredweight not 100lbs?

Because a hundredweight is equal to 4q or quarters, each of 28lbs.

And why is a quarter 28lbs?

Because a quarter is equal to 2st or stones, each of 14lbs.

All these strange numbers are because over the period from about the 14th to 19th century, it became necessary to tie together a number of weight units that were in general use for different commodities, so that common standards applied.

And the abbreviation "lbs"for pounds? It is an abbreviation of "librum", Latin for "pound". And this was a Roman weight unit about the same size.

[V8Ian]

As to why the ton (not "British ton") is 2240lbs -

A ton equals 20cwt or hundredweight. Why is a hundredweight not 100lbs?

Because a hundredweight is equal to 4q or quarters, each of 28lbs.

And why is a quarter 28lbs?

Because a quarter is equal to 2st or stones, each of 14lbs.

All these strange numbers are because over the period from about the 14th to 19th century, it became necessary to tie together a number of weight units that were in general use for different commodities, so that common standards applied.

And the abbreviation "lbs"for pounds? It is an abbreviation of "librum", Latin for "pound". And this was a Roman weight unit about the same size.
Collectively known as avoirdupois, oddly a French word.

[JDNSW]

In the fourteenth century, English law was written in Norman-French, and the term has stuck ever since! "Pois" from Old French "peis", weight and "avoir" French for having.

[ramblingboy42]

Then just to keep you on your toes, there is a tonne which is 2,205 lbs

isn't a tonne 1000kg?

[austastar]

Isn't a tonne 1000kg?
Hi
Yep.
Cheers

[4bee]

Hi
Yep.
Cheers

He's right you know.
According to Gargle, 1 Tonne = 2204.62 Lbs. So deadly close.:rulez:

[ramblingboy42]

Why do the worlds navies still use knots to measure speed? tradition?

it fits perfectly into the nautical mile and also into space-time continuum....which no one knew about when they decided to use knots.

it , and the nautical mile also fit mathematically beautifully into speed of light and interplanetary and universal distance calculations, which the mile and kilometre do not , but again they didn't know that.

I think I remember Dr Karl talking about this on aunty one morning.....

[101RRS]

Why do the worlds navies still use knots to measure speed? tradition?

it fits perfectly into the nautical mile and also into space-time continuum....which no one knew about when they decided to use knots.

it , and the nautical mile also fit mathematically beautifully into speed of light and interplanetary and universal distance calculations, which the mile and kilometre do not , but again they didn't know that.

I think I remember Dr Karl talking about this on aunty one morning.....

Because the earth is basicially a sphere so with 360 degrees around the equator - and north south lines of longitude and great circles - so putting aside the slight bulges in the earth etc - all lines of longitude and the equator 0 latitude have the same anglular distance - 360 degrees - each degree is then broken down to minutes - 60 to the degree - so 1 minute of arc is 1nm making 1 degree of arc 60nm.

So all based on the standard diameter of the earth - so if you travel 60 nm (or an angular distance of 1 degree) in one hour you are doing 60 knots, while there are slight errors due to bulges etc, it is close enough for government work.

Clear as mud but straight forward for the nautical and aeronautical types.[thumbsupbig]

[jonesfam]

As to why the ton (not "British ton") is 2240lbs -

A ton equals 20cwt or hundredweight. Why is a hundredweight not 100lbs?

Because a hundredweight is equal to 4q or quarters, each of 28lbs.

And why is a quarter 28lbs?

Because a quarter is equal to 2st or stones, each of 14lbs.

All these strange numbers are because over the period from about the 14th to 19th century, it became necessary to tie together a number of weight units that were in general use for different commodities, so that common standards applied.

And the abbreviation "lbs"for pounds? It is an abbreviation of "librum", Latin for "pound". And this was a Roman weight unit about the same size.

So they kept it simple then??[tonguewink]

[4bee]

So they kept it simple then??[tonguewink]


Of course. It has to be simple for the likes of you & me Paul[bighmmm] [biggrin].

[ramblingboy42]

I get your point 4bee[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

[4bee]

I get your point 4bee[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]




I very much doubt it.

[4bee]

Because the earth is basicially a sphere so with 360 degrees around the equator - and north south lines of longitude and great circles - so putting aside the slight bulges in the earth etc - all lines of longitude and the equator 0 latitude have the same anglular distance - 360 degrees - each degree is then broken down to minutes - 60 to the degree - so 1 minute of arc is 1nm making 1 degree of arc 60nm.

So all based on the standard diameter of the earth - so if you travel 60 nm (or an angular distance of 1 degree) in one hour you are doing 60 knots, while there are slight errors due to bulges etc, it is close enough for government work.

Clear as mud but straight forward for the nautical and aeronautical types.[thumbsupbig]



That is fine if you are dealing in Metric Minutes.:Rolling:

[JDNSW]

Or you could use gradians (also called gons, 400 to a circle) instead of degrees to measure angles, and a kilometre is equal to a centigon or 1/100th of a gradian on the surface of the earth to sufficient accuracy for navigation.

But I have never run across anyone actually using this, although I have seen a compass calibrated in gradians.

[ramblingboy42]

6400 mils on a military compass card....if I recall there are 17.8 radians to a degree, which is why the mil is used as a more accurate measurement on a compass card.

[NavyDiver]

Submarines have been in the news a bit. AIP technology rocks my boat as it uses Hydrogen [biggrin]


It has some limits of course. A gent who doesn't like Nuclear ( I do) and I were just chattering about Type 212 AIP subs V nuclear on range.
A little cut and paste time


"Range is a issue in the fuel cell subs They are running now as "Air-independent propulsion (AIP) (https://www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.com/en/products-services/innovations/hdw-fuel-cell-aip-system)" Type 212A and 212CD subs are AIP now or shortly as the 212CD is yet to launch. Range suggest for the 212A is 8,000 nautical miles (15,000 km; 9,200 mi) at 8 knots (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) for the 212A

Submerged time is outstanding!!! Fuel cell by products water and oxygen are the cool bits for long dives or sitting and spying

Nuclear powered propulsion is not as quiet as battery running, AIP is effectively battery running noise level.

Interesting topic for a former Sonar Operator on Ships called targets by Submariners Range for a SSN may be crew/food related as nuclear fuel "Refueling required after 30 years" I suspect the crew would like some shore leave of course!

Room for Hydrogen and Nuclear power in both the Navy and C02 reduction for me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2QS_aEsVuw

I have finished payroll and Super payments honest- not just wasting time ![biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

[Saitch]

James, a question without notice!

Is the Executive Officer/First Officer still referred to as 'Number 1', or is it now 'XO'?

[NavyDiver]

James, a question without notice!

Is the Executive Officer/First Officer still referred to as 'Number 1', or is it now 'XO'?

I love XO sauce with wood ear mushroom and Greenlip Abolone- Number 1 is cool as well-

Both work and both are used. XO from bottom up and Number 1 from the top down usually.

I never heard the XO called Number 1 by anyone other than the Skipper/Captain/GOD[biggrin]

[NavyDiver]

182641[thumbsupbig]

[superquag]

I love XO sauce with wood ear mushroom and Greenlip Abolone- Number 1 is cool as well-

Both work and both are used. XO from bottom up and Number 1 from the top down usually.

I never heard the XO called Number 1 by anyone other than the Skipper/Captain/GOD[biggrin]

.. And Captain Picard. ? [biggrin]

[Saitch]

Where I first came across the term, when I was a youngster.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/195302-captain-dutchy-holland

[NavyDiver]

The fun way down


184016

A few seconds of pure Naval joy !

[NavyDiver]

Not sure if I shared this one. A mate did it last night for some Chilly memories for me[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

“My last ship I served on as its Leading Seamen Underwater weapons/ Divers Yeoman HMAS HOBART DDG38 1986. The last dive I did in the Navy was in Vancouver sound off Victoria Island. The water temperature was below zero.

The Navy only provided us with 3mm wetsuits . No hoods , gloves or booties. After Twenty minutes, every Diver had to be carried into the hot showers because of severe hypothermia. This was a gross mistake by or Diving Officer, who never got wet ever! Just drank hot coffee in his nice white overalls! It is a very different story nowadays. All branches of the Navy are extremely well kitted out for all conditions”

I responded with my thoughts being “That hot shower we had in Canada was tricky! We were shivering and shaking that much we shook the warm water off us. Getting our wet suites off was almost impossible. The surface temp was painful. The Thermocline at a metre or so deeper water was fed by melting ice glaziers. It felt like knives cutting my skin. Lt ###### should have used a bathythermograph Hyperthermia wasn't fun ”


My friend was just given a new dry suite by “On line Dive gear (https://www.onlinedivegear.com.au/). They very kindy have looked after us with a dry suit. For “SV Battle Scars which is a Charity for Veterans with PTSD in Queensland.


Our VERY Chilling dive in Canada may be a reason I cannot stand the cold?

I was just given a beautiful hand knitted Beanie. Its staying on my head until Summer gets here when my Solar collector (head) is back in operation


It will be used POST all future Diving events as well https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png


I did not have a beanie when in Canada in 1986. I did have a little hair then [biggrin] I think I lost some of my hair in 1987 to a crocodile Dive. Another navy yarn that popped up when chatting about a shark that gave leg back to a surfer a few days ago among my wet work mates.

It was the same Diving Office whom I have no beef with myself! " Recall croc in Darwin?

All ships Divers were linked up after a hull search on HMAS Hobart. We had our Twin 64s diving tanks on with fins on and only rope ladders to get back on the ship. Plan was to lower rope, tie up a set of air tanks, take our finn's off and bite them with our teeth as we climbed up the rope one at a time!

The crew who asked if we had seen the huge croc which had just popped up on the starboard side started a epic event none can ever explain for me even though I did it!

6 divers all with twin 64 tanks on our backs, Finn's on our feet and still linked up by the hull search spacing rope were all on the Quarter Deck all asking how climbed the rope ladder with fins wight belts and tanks on"

Navy traditions and story I shared when I was giving an Award at Taylor Division Graduation at HMAS Cerberus yesterday. The new Seaman Clearance Diver. The award recipient is to start training as Clearance Diver not one yet. He was relived to hear the RAN have much better Diving equipment now :)

GE426 Graduation (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/live/gTnZcq7iB2Q)

Minute 1:32 is for my odd appearance