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VladTepes
22nd February 2022, 08:13 AM
The Federal Government is providing $678 million in funding to seal an additional 1000 km of the Outback Way, a series of roads and dirt tracks that pass through Queensland, the Northern Territory and Western Australia.

I'll lay money this will increase the amount of roadside litter tenfold.

What do you think?

- Would it be better for communities out there?

- Would more 2WD vehicles visit?

- Pros/Cons?

- Will it achieve the aims laid out in the media release (full text from the Prime Minister's webpage below).

Y'know it's almost as if there might be an election around the corner. [bigwhistle]


The Morrison-Joyce Government will invest an additional $678 million to seal another 1,000 kilometres of road and deliver further upgrades along Australia’s longest shortcut, Outback Way, creating thousands of jobs and better connecting regional industries and communities.
As part of the works, the remaining unsealed and substandard sections of Outback Way in Queensland and Western Australia will be sealed. Additional priority sections on the Plenty Highway and Tjukaruru Road in the Northern Territory will also be upgraded.
The Government is committed to sealing the entire 2,720 kilometres of Outback Way and today’s funding commitment will help get the job done, cutting travel times for freight and tourists while giving residents along the route improved access to the supplies they need to live.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the upgrades would support 2,197 jobs, and deliver an important economic boost across Australia’s centre.
“Our additional investment of $678 million in Outback Way is part of our plan for a strong economy across Queensland, the Northern Territory and Western Australia,” the Prime Minister said.
“Investing in infrastructure right across Australia will keep our economy strong and growing while ensuring Australians, regardless of where they live, have jobs.
“Our investment locks in a pipeline of works that will drive investment in regional Australia and boost economies from Winton in Queensland to Laverton in Western Australia, helping regional and remote communities and those who call them home to grow and prosper.”
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development Barnaby Joyce said the Government was delivering on its commitment to seal the entire length of Outback Way.
“The Nationals and Liberals had the vision to start these upgrades and we are driving ahead with the sealing of the third road that runs east to west across our nation, from Winton to Laverton,” the Deputy Prime Minister said.
“Outback Way is a vital piece of national transport infrastructure that supports regional economies the length of the 2,720 kilometre route and connects them to the rest of Australia.
“This additional funding builds on the $330 million we’ve invested since 2013 to seal over 600 kilometres of Outback Way, giving freight, tourists and locals a smoother, safer drive.
“$124 million will be spent on upgrades in the Northern Territory alone, creating 442 jobs for locals and delivering a much-needed economic injection in the Territory.
“These upgrades will spark new opportunities for industries along the route, including the critical earth precincts north of Alice Springs, the gold precincts around Laverton and the massive beef industry, while ensuring communities and people on the corridor have better access to supplies.”
Federal Member for Maranoa David Littleproud said $154 million would be invested in the Queensland section of Outback Way, creating 671 jobs across the state and driving economic growth.
“Sealing and upgrading Outback Way will reduce the long and unreliable travel times that freight and motorists experience along sections of the route,” Minister Littleproud said.
“The upgrades will also drive economic growth in remote communities, bring more tourists, improve connections between people, jobs and services, and goods with markets.”
Senator for Queensland and Special Envoy for Northern Australia Susan McDonald said mining and agriculture businesses would benefit from the Government’s investment in in western Queensland.
“$41.5 million of this funding will go towards progressively sealing the remaining unsealed sections of the Donohue Highway in Queensland, to improve safety and efficiency,” Senator McDonald said.
“Solely-funded by the Australian Government, the Donohue Highway sealing works will support around 124 jobs during construction, providing a major boost to the local economy.”
Federal Member for O’Connor Rick Wilson said the Federal Government had put $400 million on the table to seal the full length of Outback Way in Western Australia.
“This funding commitment will create 1,084 jobs in Western Australia, delivering a significant boost to our regional and remote towns,” Mr Wilson said.
“A sealed route will also deliver social benefits for communities by improving access to goods and services and increased employment opportunities, particularly for Indigenous communities.”
The Government’s additional funding for Outback Way means upgrades can continue to be rolled out as previously funded works are completed.
The Australian Government’s funding commitment represents 80 per cent of the total funding package, with state and territory governments providing the remaining 20 per cent.

jonesfam
22nd February 2022, 09:16 AM
I will give you our experience in the Gulf Country.
When we first came to Doomadgee, 1993, all roads in the district were dirt. This was until you got to Burke & Wills Roadhouse then it was single lane to Cloncurry.
In the late 90's they started laying bitumen, first from B&W to Gregory (mainly for the Century Mine) then they started extending it West until finally about 5 years ago it was all paved to Doomadgee & Burketown.

Before the bitumen it was a slow rough trip, depending on the last grading it could be a 7-9 hour trip to Cloncurry during the Dry & the road bashed your car to death over a period of time. In the wet the roads closed for months, washouts everywhere & most of the time just to hairy to make the trip worth trying. Even a decent storm could/would stop you for hours.

Now it is all sealed it is 5 hours to Cloncurry, the trip is far less stressful & any 2WD can do it fine. Yes, during the Wet we still get cut off but for weeks not months (someday they might build some bridges?) & although some folk still don't know how to drive out here it is a lot safer.
This is not to mention the upgrades to already sealed roads like Cloncurry to NT boarder, Cloncurry to Karumba.

Do I miss the dirt roads? Sort of, every trip was an adventure & sort of exciting. But, now is far easier, cheaper, we are not cut off as long & people do not need a 4WD which is less expensive for them.
Tourist will still buy their Land Cruisers & huge vans & they will still come & for the communities it has huge advantages in lots of ways.
The "Old Bush" has been declining for decades & will continue to do so, is this a bad thing? In some ways yes but in a lot of ways NO!
Living out here still has it challenges but is safer, more comfortable & the services are so much better than even 10 years ago. Visiting the Outback is one thing, living here is entirely different.
Jonesfam

ramblingboy42
22nd February 2022, 12:16 PM
It will generally benefit everyone.

you will not need a 4wd vehicle to see a lot of outback Australia.

I'm an old bastard from the bush and kind of feel for the old way.

Older bastards and pioneers I have known are dying and younger families are moving into a much user friendly climate.

The old bastards and their families did it hard but there is no need to any more.

NSW now have bitumen access north-south-east-west on 7 major arteries across the state.

this outback way sealing may lead to population distribution across the centre.....if global warming doesn't get too high.

cjc_td5
22nd February 2022, 04:55 PM
I'm mainly concerned for the likes of the Sandy Blight Junction Road and the closer areas of the Gunbarrel Hwy, that are going to be trashed by easy access directly off a sealed road. 1000km of gravel ATM just to get to the start of them tends to keep usage at manageable levels....

Arapiles
22nd February 2022, 06:34 PM
Living out here still has it challenges but is safer, more comfortable & the services are so much better than even 10 years ago.

Visiting the Outback is one thing, living here is entirely different.

Jonesfam


Exactly. Locals' interests should come first.

scarry
22nd February 2022, 07:11 PM
Sealing the roads is much better than having good dirt roads.

The better the dirt road,the faster the tourists go,and the more accidents occur.

I appreciate people want growth,advancement,sealed roads,etc.

For me i prefer the dirt all day,less people,less rubbish,less riff raff,less traffic.
Less road kills.

But anyway,thats just me[wink11]

Arch
22nd February 2022, 07:21 PM
They have to get voted back in first. Another desperate effort to win some votes.

V8Ian
22nd February 2022, 07:32 PM
Sealing the roads is much better than having good dirt roads.

The better the dirt road,the faster the tourists go,and the more accidents occur.

I appreciate people want growth,advancement,sealed roads,etc.

For me i prefer the dirt all day,less people,less rubbish,less riff raff,less traffic.
Less road kills.

But anyway,thats just me[wink11]
Nah, a bit of dirt never stopped me, [bigwhistle]

scarry
22nd February 2022, 08:41 PM
Nah, a bit of dirt never stopped me, [bigwhistle]

What about mud?
Just been watching Steve Graeme(or whatever his name is),on outback Truckers[thumbsupbig]

trout1105
22nd February 2022, 09:05 PM
It has been my observation that as the roads improove the behaviour of those that travel it declines unfortunately and the destinations that once took a bit of effort to get to tend to get trashed as the roads improove.

Saitch
23rd February 2022, 07:48 AM
Going by a lot of comments here, they should never have gone West of Toowoomba, Penrith, Charters Towers or East of Northam with the bitumen. [smilebigeye]

3toes
23rd February 2022, 09:27 AM
I think sometimes we become too caught up in the new bigger vehicles. In the early seventies my retired neighbor did a drive from Brisbane to northern Western Australia return via the centre in a HR Holden wagon - no caravan just a swag. This in late summer. Now he had grown up out there but on the roads and infrastructure that existed on those roads back in the early seventies compared to today. ….

trout1105
23rd February 2022, 10:45 AM
I think sometimes we become too caught up in the new bigger vehicles. In the early seventies my retired neighbor did a drive from Brisbane to northern Western Australia return via the centre in a HR Holden wagon - no caravan just a swag. This in late summer. Now he had grown up out there but on the roads and infrastructure that existed on those roads back in the early seventies compared to today. ….

Back in the early 70's there wasn't much in the way of 4WD's on the road most of the traffic back then was 2WD.
I did a solo trip from Geraldton to Townsville via the Nullabor and from Townsville back to Geraldton via Mt Isa in 1972 ( I was 18 years old at the time) with a flash fairly new XY Falcon station wagon.

No bullbar, skinny stock tyres, a bit of camping gear and my dog the only drama i had was a busted widscreen that I got fixed at Tamworth.
Lots of dirt roads some wet some dry and the service stations were nowhere as thick on the ground as they are today either , It wasn't that "Tough" to do even back then with only 2 years of driving experiance behind me.
It would be another 10 years or so before I got my first 4WD and in the meantime I did some pretty remote trips on mediocre roads/tracks using various 2WD's and I had a ball doing them.

It IS "Nice" to finally hit the bitumen after travelling on the dirt and I still get a "Buzz" out of this But with all the dirt roads getting a coat of blacktop it is slowly taking the sense of adventure away from road travel.

ramblingboy42
23rd February 2022, 01:05 PM
quote..t has been my observation that as the roads improove the behaviour of those that travel it declines unfortunately and the destinations that once took a bit of effort to get to tend to get trashed as the roads improove.

not my observation, in SA. Bitumen all the way to Roxby Downs.

Bitumen all the way to Marree.

Bitumen all the way to Alice Springs.

The Strezeleckie Track is getting more and more bitumen every year.

Bitumen all the way from Brisbane to Innamincka.

As road conditions improve so do the services from local councils eg rubbish/road kill patrols.

I think it'll be allright.

vnx205
23rd February 2022, 03:52 PM
Some people have always been willing to trash sites no matter how remote.

When I visited the Dig Tree in the early 80s, there was not a lot of bitumen on the way. Most of the vehicles visiting then would have been 4WD.

There was a 200 litre drum (probably a 44 gallon drum back then) placed near the marked tree, I believe by the local station owner.

Not only was the drum full, but the pile of rubbish around it would have filled a couple more drums.

travelrover
24th February 2022, 10:30 AM
Some people have always been willing to trash sites no matter how remote.

When I visited the Dig Tree in the early 80s, there was not a lot of bitumen on the way. Most of the vehicles visiting then would have been 4WD.

There was a 200 litre drum (probably a 44 gallon drum back then) placed near the marked tree, I believe by the local station owner.

Not only was the drum full, but the pile of rubbish around it would have filled a couple more drums.

Visited the same spot in 79. No bin then and no rubbish that I recall but am sure there would have been the ubiquitous beer bottles everywhere. No protection you could walk up and touch the tree. I believe there is a boardwalk or similar now.
There had a been a couple of floods in the late 70’s and a very big one a think 73/74 were the station staff had to camp in tents for six month on the high ground until the water went down. These would have washed a fair bit of rubbish away.

vnx205
24th February 2022, 02:40 PM
Was that the flood that washed away the world's biggest pile of empty beer bottles?

ramblingboy42
24th February 2022, 08:55 PM
where are they now? Kati Thanda?