Inconsiderate Land Rover driver.

[V8Ian]

Cyclist falls off bicycle as Land Rover Defender passes her on country lane | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10672239/Cyclist-falls-bicycle-Land-Rover-Defender-passes-country-lane.html)

I think it's more the incompetence of the cyclist than inconsiderate driving by the Defender. The two other bikes had no issues.

[travelrover]

Cyclist falls off bicycle as Land Rover Defender passes her on country lane | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10672239/Cyclist-falls-bicycle-Land-Rover-Defender-passes-country-lane.html)

I think it's more the incompetence of the cyclist than inconsiderate driving by the Defender. The two other bikes had no issues.

Agree incompetent cyclist, but what about the tractor ramming the defender?

[trout1105]

Some people should NEVER take the traning wheels off their pushbikes[bigwhistle]

[windsock]

Training wheels you say? [biggrin] A rider of that skill level would likely still manage to fall off an exercycle in their lounge!

[PhilipA]

He wasn't a metre away so in NSW would have been fined under similar circumstances.
Regards PhilipA

[trout1105]

He wasn't a metre away so in NSW would have been fined under similar circumstances.
Regards PhilipA

You don't have roads that skinny in NSW.[biggrin]
Here in the West even the bike lanes are wider that skinny lttle lane so old mate in the defender had nowhere to go to give the bikes 1m clearance.
Pretty entitled behaviour by both the cyclists and the defender driver as far as I am concerned as the defender could have slowed down and the cyclists could have pulled up as well and if a fine is warrented then both parties should have coped a fine.

[Graeme]

Maybe if she hadn't turned around to abuse the driver she wouldn't have fallen off. That is her hand in the air with her head-mounted camera fully facing directly back down the road, isn't it?

[NavyDiver]

Cyclist falls off bicycle as Land Rover Defender passes her on country lane | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10672239/Cyclist-falls-bicycle-Land-Rover-Defender-passes-country-lane.html)

I think it's more the incompetence of the cyclist than inconsiderate driving by the Defender. The two other bikes had no issues.

Pommy coppers[bigwhistle] OMG not a hope I'd side with the lady who fell off - Room for the front and rear bike who had no issue seems a very very tough fine in my view.


I like the one Meter rule here for overtaking. Passing on very narrow roads with room for both is not failing. Grumpy police and clearly self righteous pommy bike riders[thumbsupbig]

[Arapiles]

Speaking as a regular commuting cyclist ...... he was going too fast and too close on what was a very narrow road (at the start of the video I thought that it was a bike path), but she fell over because she came to a stop suddenly and didn't release her cleats. Lack of experience I'd suspect.

I did that on Around the Bay one time because a mechanic had just over-tightened my cleats and they wouldn't release, and a cyclist near me looked at me and said "how embarrassing" and rode off.

The UK is all over the place on bike/car interactions - a driver who killed a cyclist recently got a slap on the wrist.

Here's a few others:

Near Miss of the Day 737: Overtaking van driver beeps at cyclist and swerves at him ... but only gets a warning letter | road.cc (https://road.cc/content/news/nmotd-737-overtaking-van-driver-beeps-swerves-cyclist-291355)

[jerryd]

Cyclist falls off bicycle as Land Rover Defender passes her on country lane | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10672239/Cyclist-falls-bicycle-Land-Rover-Defender-passes-country-lane.html)

I think it's more the incompetence of the cyclist than inconsiderate driving by the Defender. The two other bikes had no issues.

Watch the first two minutes Ian [biggrin] (One of my favorite movies)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlrZq6oHRZM&t=126s

[3toes]

Did you notice that the vehicle had L plates. That will have counted against them in court but may also explain some of what happened.

[Saitch]

Did you notice that the vehicle had L plates. That will have counted against them in court but may also explain some of what happened.

By the look of things, the 'L' plates were on the wrong vehicle!

[FisherX]

As a cyclist myself I can't see anything wrong with how the Defender passed those bikes.

Maybe if the lady in the rear didn't scream it wouldn't have panicked the lady who fell in the ditch.

[Arapiles]

As a cyclist myself I can't see anything wrong with how the Defender passed those bikes.

Well, other than it was very close and very fast.

[Saitch]

Well, other than it was very close and very fast.

Perhaps the cyclists were too close and too slow?
Really, isn't it easier for a treadly to get off the road, rather than an automobile (going by the video, it is![smilebigeye]) and more environmentally friendly too, with no excess use of an internal combustion engine slowing and then burning fuel to get back up to speed?

[Arapiles]

Perhaps the cyclists were too close and too slow?
Really, isn't it easier for a treadly to get off the road, rather than an automobile (going by the video, it is![smilebigeye]) and more environmentally friendly too, with no excess use of an internal combustion engine slowing and then burning fuel to get back up to speed?

You think that Land Rovers should stay on sealed roads?

[Saitch]

You think that Land Rovers should stay on sealed roads?

Not at all! But cyclists cycling, just for the sake of cycling, on roads like that? Meh.
Going by the audio on the clip, I doubt whether the ladies were off to help the vicar clean the local church.

[vnx205]

Well, other than it was very close and very fast.

Judging the actual speed of an approaching or departing vehicle in a movie is very difficult unless you know the focal length of the camera lens.

Film makers often make good use of the way a wide angle lens exaggerates the speed at which something approaches the camera. A telephoto lens has the opposite effect. The car chase from "Bullit" is a brilliant example of that.

Most GoPro style action cameras have a wide angle lens. So the speed of the Defender is most likely much slower than that video clip suggests.

[Arapiles]

You don't have roads that skinny in NSW.[biggrin]
Here in the West even the bike lanes are wider that skinny lttle lane so old mate in the defender had nowhere to go to give the bikes 1m clearance.
Pretty entitled behaviour by both the cyclists and the defender driver as far as I am concerned as the defender could have slowed down and the cyclists could have pulled up as well and if a fine is warrented then both parties should have coped a fine.

The cyclists weren't endangering the Land Rover. He'd've been up for it in Victoria as well.

It's astonishing - and a measure of how clueless a lot of people are - that there were people on social media saying that it was OK because he hadn't actually come into contact with the cyclists, as if that was the issue: if he had even brushed them they'd've been seriously injured or dead. I've been hit a couple of times by cars and the last time I was hit I was thrown metres through the air (over a car, over a fire hydrant 3 or 4 metres away, miraculously going between two trees and not into them ...) and my bike was destroyed. That's a Land Rover 90 which would weigh about 1.8 tonnes - and if something that weight, and going that speed hit what are basically pedestrians then the result is not going to be the equivalent of a car park bingle.

[ramblingboy42]

quote..You think that Land Rovers should stay on sealed roads?

good question in that 99% of Land Rovers I ever see are on sealed roads.

[V8Ian]

The cyclist needs to own her own incompetence, rather than look for someone else to carry it.
Bike Riding 101: put at least one foot on the ground when stopped.

[vnx205]

The cyclist needs to own her own incompetence, rather than look for someone else to carry it.
Bike Riding 101: put at least one foot on the ground when stopped.

Some riders are good enough to stop without having one foot on the ground. :)

Back in the early 70s, a few of my motorcycling friends used to show off their sense of balance by stopping at the level crossing on town, balancing for a second or so and then proceeding without having put a foot down. (A bit like trials riders do all the time.)

We stopped doing it when one of us was booked for not stopping as required at the level crossing. The cop refused to believe that he had stopped because he hadn't put a foot down to balance while he was stopped.

[BMKal]

The Defender virtually had its left wheels running on the edge of the sealed surface - would have been more risky to both the Land Rover driver and cyclists to attempt to move over further.
Meanwhile, all three cyclists were passed by the Land Rover without anything near contact. Two cyclists didn't have a problem - one couldn't manage to stop her bike (even though it was not necessary to stop) and maintain her balance.

Anyone thinking that this was NOT the cyclist's fault should seriously not be allowed on the roads.

[trout1105]

The cyclists weren't endangering the Land Rover. He'd've been up for it in Victoria as well.

It's astonishing - and a measure of how clueless a lot of people are - that there were people on social media saying that it was OK because he hadn't actually come into contact with the cyclists, as if that was the issue: if he had even brushed them they'd've been seriously injured or dead. I've been hit a couple of times by cars and the last time I was hit I was thrown metres through the air (over a car, over a fire hydrant 3 or 4 metres away, miraculously going between two trees and not into them ...) and my bike was destroyed. That's a Land Rover 90 which would weigh about 1.8 tonnes - and if something that weight, and going that speed hit what are basically pedestrians then the result is not going to be the equivalent of a car park bingle.

The Landrover wasn't any danger to the cyclists either So one BS fine for the driver and another BS fine for the cyclists would be fair don't you think?

[RANDLOVER]

I think the cyclists shouldn't complain as I'm sure they don't pay rego, not even in the UK,...........wait a few minutes while I heat up my popcorn!

[shack]

I'm not commenting on the above accident itself.....

Whilst we obviously encourage cycling due to the health benefits, lessening traffic and saving the environment, I must admit that we have had many encounters with cyclists simply not obeying road rules, this leaves me - the driver of the car - ENTIRELY responsible for their safety, as if I hit them they would most likely die, or be very badly injured.

With this in mind I'm confused as to why they behave so recklessly, (not all) particulary when they get into a hunting pack type situation.

If I were to hit one I would be reported by someone (I would obviously report it myself) for the accident, because I have a number plate they are able to do this.

We have seen numerous cyclists nearly causing serious accidents, but I can't report them... As they have no number plate, we have deliberately created a perfect outlet for people who don't know road rules or won't obey them, they kind of "get off on a technicality".

All bikes should have 2 number plates, then the dangerous moronic ones could be reported and lose the right to cycle, which would be better for all the other cyclists and vehicle drivers trying to do the right ring.

[V8Ian]

I'm not commenting on the above accident itself.....

Whilst we obviously encourage cycling due to the health benefits, lessening traffic and saving the environment, I must admit that we have had many encounters with cyclists simply not obeying road rules, this leaves me - the driver of the car - ENTIRELY responsible for their safety, as if I hit them they would most likely die, or be very badly injured.

With this in mind I'm confused as to why they behave so recklessly, (not all) particulary when they get into a hunting pack type situation.

If I were to hit one I would be reported by someone (I would obviously report it myself) for the accident, because I have a number plate they are able to do this.

We have seen numerous cyclists nearly causing serious accidents, but I can't report them... As they have no number plate, we have deliberately created a perfect outlet for people who don't know road rules or won't obey them, they kind of "get off on a technicality".

All bikes should have 2 number plates, then the dangerous moronic ones could be reported and lose the right to cycle, which would be better for all the other cyclists and vehicle drivers trying to do the right ring.
That'll end up in the too hard/may lose me votes, basket.

[travelrover]

I'm not commenting on the above accident itself.....

Whilst we obviously encourage cycling due to the health benefits, lessening traffic and saving the environment, I must admit that we have had many encounters with cyclists simply not obeying road rules, this leaves me - the driver of the car - ENTIRELY responsible for their safety, as if I hit them they would most likely die, or be very badly injured.

With this in mind I'm confused as to why they behave so recklessly, (not all) particulary when they get into a hunting pack type situation.

If I were to hit one I would be reported by someone (I would obviously report it myself) for the accident, because I have a number plate they are able to do this.

We have seen numerous cyclists nearly causing serious accidents, but I can't report them... As they have no number plate, we have deliberately created a perfect outlet for people who don't know road rules or won't obey them, they kind of "get off on a technicality".

All bikes should have 2 number plates, then the dangerous moronic ones could be reported and lose the right to cycle, which would be better for all the other cyclists and vehicle drivers trying to do the right ring.

Must agree, some seem to be suicidal and make no attempt to take their own safety seriously. Here in the Hawkesbury we have lots of hills and generally pretty narrow and crap roads with lots of farm vehicles using them.
On the weekends we are inundated by packs of cyclists and they create plenty of frustration amongst the locals.

[3toes]

Certainly here in the UK cyclists are jailed on a regular basis for running into and killing pedestrians

[shack]

Certainly here in the UK cyclists are jailed on a regular basis for running into and killing pedestriansI think in Australia that if you are on a bicycle the default assessment is innocent.

[trout1105]

I think in Australia that if you are on a bicycle the default assessment is innocent.

Bicycle riders Must be much more proficiant on our roads because they don't need a licence or any training whatsoever to use the roads that the motoring public and transport industry pay for and they neither have to display "P" or "L" plates either.[bigwhistle]

[350RRC]

After looking at the vid a few times, personally, in my RRC, I would have slowed to a crawl or a stop as a matter of courtesy.

I also would have equally done same to avoid the 'paperwork' so to speak, if the 'passing' went pear shaped. That's called risk assessment.

I just put those reasons ahead of my 'rights' as a driver, and their possible 'ineptitude'.

How much time would I have lost in my journey by slowing or even stopping? Jack.

How much time and grief and shark money would I have lost if it all went wrong by not even slowing? A fair bit.

I do ride a bike occasionally on all sorts of roads and thus far have been afforded similar courtesy (wide berth, slowing behind before passing if necessary, etc) by car and truck drivers.

I'm not condoning arrogant pushbike rider behaviour, ****s me to tears.

cheers, DL

[superquag]

As a School- bus driver... I had the advantage of 4 metres tall x2.4 wide and distinctive Orange... so taking command of the other side of the road when required was no problem.
Running a Dash-cam to prove Virtue / speed is just common sense. They're the cheapest and most effective insurance.[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]