2016 Discovery 4 SDV6 - broken crankshaft?

[Smocky]

Little bit of misadventure on the weekend and interested in any helpful feedback from the group. My mechanic has assessed the vehicle and it seems I have broken the crankshaft! I was driving up a hill, nothing too unusual, lost power, some rattling with the engine still running and I had about 15 seconds to pull over to the side of the road and the engine died. No warning lights, Oil level still normal (at OK). No oil leaks, no obvious sign of damage.

Car has done just over 100,000 (WAY too low for a catastrophic engine failure) and has been serviced at the dealer. Has not missed a service.

So has anyone heard of the 3L SDV6 breaking a crankshaft? I was going up a hill at 100kmh towing a 900kg camper trailer. Not exactly racing it through the rockies. Apparently I am up for a new engine and a $25k - $30k repair bill. On a 6 year old car, that has done 100k.

All helpful advice welcome in replies or PMs. Thanks forum. I'm just off to see if I can find any solutions in the bottom of a bottle of scotch. :twobeers:

Jason.

[loanrangie]

You must be new here, have a search and you'll find it's not uncommon.
Unfortunately it's a 30k plus repair.

[simonmelb]

Bugger!

You can add yours to the list here: Engine Failure on 3.0lt SDV6 help. (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/281126-engine-failure-3-0lt-sdv6-help.html)

Good luck with your repair and hopefully a response from LR.

[Discodicky]

Little bit of misadventure on the weekend and interested in any helpful feedback from the group. My mechanic has assessed the vehicle and it seems I have broken the crankshaft! I was driving up a hill, nothing too unusual, lost power, some rattling with the engine still running and I had about 15 seconds to pull over to the side of the road and the engine died. No warning lights, Oil level still normal (at OK). No oil leaks, no obvious sign of damage.

Car has done just over 100,000 (WAY too low for a catastrophic engine failure) and has been serviced at the dealer. Has not missed a service.



So has anyone heard of the 3L SDV6 breaking a crankshaft? I was going up a hill at 100kmh towing a 900kg camper trailer. Not exactly racing it through the rockies. Apparently I am up for a new engine and a $25k - $30k repair bill. On a 6 year old car, that has done 100k.

All helpful advice welcome in replies or PMs. Thanks forum. I'm just off to see if I can find any solutions in the bottom of a bottle of scotch. :twobeers:

Jason.

Google: SSM71816 and SSM72928
Talk to your dealer and request him to contact LRA for pro rata warranty/financial assistance. Some people here have been successful, particularly at such low klms.
You mention serviced by Dealer, was that at the scheduled 22,000 klm services or more frequently??
Also mention ACCC if they try to fob you off.
I think that persistence will help.
Maybe suggest that LRA provide a new engine assembly and you'll pay for labour?

Good luck!!

[Smocky]

Google: SSM71816 and SSM72928
Talk to your dealer and request him to contact LRA for pro rata warranty/financial assistance. Some people here have been successful, particularly at such low klms.
You mention serviced by Dealer, was that at the scheduled 22,000 klm services or more frequently??
Also mention ACCC if they try to fob you off.
I think that persistence will help.
Maybe suggest that LRA provide a new engine assembly and you'll pay for labour?

Good luck!!
I'm doing a bit of reading and playing catch up, but thanks for the pointers. Service was more frequent than the 22,000 kms, which always annoyed me! They were doing an 80,000 service at 50,000.

I'm going to ring the dealer tomorrow and start the ball rolling. Hoping for others with experience with this particular problem to share their advice. It just cannot be OK that an expensive deisel engine can have a complete meltdown at 100,000 kms. That's not OK under any circumstances so long as it is maintained.

[goldey]

I'm doing a bit of reading and playing catch up, but thanks for the pointers. Service was more frequent than the 22,000 kms, which always annoyed me! They were doing an 80,000 service at 50,000.

I'm going to ring the dealer tomorrow and start the ball rolling. Hoping for others with experience with this particular problem to share their advice. It just cannot be OK that an expensive deisel engine can have a complete meltdown at 100,000 kms. That's not OK under any circumstances so long as it is maintained.

Smocky

My experience is we had an SDV6 also break the crankshaft at about 180,000kms in a similar fashion, knock knock knock, pull over and car died on side of the road. Our fix was to source a lower km second hand motor (ours is a 2012 Disco 4, so it was well out of warranty) after our quote from LR Australia was given to us ($40k). So far we have had no issues withe current donk, but we didn't with the previous one either.

Hopefully in your case you'll have a bit better dealings with LR Australia, given its much younger, LR serviced etc.

Regards

Goldey

[Keegan]

Happens way to often. Especially on the 3 litre. Should be able to start a class action against LR . They continually build these pieces of junk.

[nevik51]

Just get on U Tube & type in that problem & you can see the cause of it.Watch all the videos i forget the channel name.

[scarry]

Happens way to often. Especially on the 3 litre. Should be able to start a class action against LR . They continually build these pieces of junk.

Sure,and with the 3.0L, its going to happen more often as they get older.Way more actually fail than are seen on here.

Its also a Ford issue,they designed and built the engine,for LR.But i suppose,bottom line is its a LR problem.

I cant believe a manufacturer ran the same engine for so many years and across so many models with the issue,then didnt help many customers when they failed.It was even used in the D5,with failures.

And with the failures on the 3.0L,many vehicles are low mileage,and have been serviced correctly, more often than the rediculous LR service schedule,and are one owners,bought new.

Just imagine if one of the big vehicle manufacturers had this sort of problem,we would be hearing about it all day.

[nevik51]

The U Tube channel is LR Time go to episode 1 & look at the videos.

[PerthDisco]

Don’t think that other manufacturers don’t have these problems- they do - including Toyota. VWs eat their timing chains. Subaru’s blow head gaskets, DPF issues and so on (on a global scale). Each are scenarios where Uncle Big Bill is coming to visit relative to the car’s value and there are legions of unhappy customers.

On the other hand a D4 is a highly sorted vehicle with almost no problems.

I just don’t understand why a manufacturer like LR / Ford does not have a warehouse full of new short engines (which cost them very little) they hand out very fast and cheaply as even if you paid the installation you’d be chuffed with a newer donk. Cap the pain.

I think sticking the knife in for a new engine at full markup with no discernible difference to the one that blew up is really taking the mickey!

[AS355]

Little bit of misadventure on the weekend and interested in any helpful feedback from the group. My mechanic has assessed the vehicle and it seems I have broken the crankshaft! I was driving up a hill, nothing too unusual, lost power, some rattling with the engine still running and I had about 15 seconds to pull over to the side of the road and the engine died. No warning lights, Oil level still normal (at OK). No oil leaks, no obvious sign of damage.

Car has done just over 100,000 (WAY too low for a catastrophic engine failure) and has been serviced at the dealer. Has not missed a service.

So has anyone heard of the 3L SDV6 breaking a crankshaft? I was going up a hill at 100kmh towing a 900kg camper trailer. Not exactly racing it through the rockies. Apparently I am up for a new engine and a $25k - $30k repair bill. On a 6 year old car, that has done 100k.

All helpful advice welcome in replies or PMs. Thanks forum. I'm just off to see if I can find any solutions in the bottom of a bottle of scotch. :twobeers:

Jason.


My engine SDV6 in my RRS failed at 58,000klm LRA response.
NOT OUR PROBLEM.
Given the history of these engines LRA need 1000 lashes for not supporting these failures.

[scarry]

Don’t think that other manufacturers don’t have these problems- they do - including Toyota. VWs eat their timing chains. Subaru’s blow head gaskets, DPF issues and so on (on a global scale). Each are scenarios where Uncle Big Bill is coming to visit relative to the car’s value and there are legions of unhappy customers.

We are talking about properly serviced vehicles,often low K's,with complete engine failures.
Not many others have those sort of failures.
If they did,they would sort them(hopefully)

FWIW,LC200,around 2015/2016 have injector failures,caused by corrosion.Not all,only some,and not VIN specific.
The manufactuer is still fixing these,they are way out of warranty.High mileage, and service records are not needed.
Huge job,replace all 10 injectors,both EGR coolers,both DPF's,software changes to engine ECU.
All done no questions asked,if do and charge,around a $20K job.

Class action about the DPF's,it was thrown out,failed.
They said the 'the manufacturer did its utmost to help the customers'

Unlike Ford,a few years ago,recieved one of the biggest fines in corporate history for unconscious conduct.Fined millions of $,and had to replace numerous customers cars.For those interested,its all on Google.

[PerthDisco]

We are talking about properly serviced vehicles,often low K's,with complete engine failures.
Not many others have those sort of failures.
If they did,they would sort them(hopefully)

FWIW,LC200,around 2015/2016 have injector failures,caused by corrosion.Not all,only some,and not VIN specific.
The manufactuer is still fixing these,they are way out of warranty.High mileage, and service records are not needed.
Huge job,replace all 10 injectors,both EGR coolers,both DPF's,software changes to engine ECU.
All done no questions asked,if do and charge,around a $20K job.

Class action about the DPF's,it was thrown out,failed.
They said the 'the manufacturer did its utmost to help the customers'

Unlike Ford,a few years ago,recieved one of the biggest fines in corporate history for unconscious conduct.Fined millions of $,and had to replace numerous customers cars.For those interested,its all on Google.

Unlike previous post (which is hard to believe they could reject) most low kms LRs have been fully covered in or close to warranty, including my mate with a blown D5 4 cylinder, from what read but plenty go later well out of warranty which is no fun.

A mate was being stuffed around on a big marine insurance claim. He found out the CEOs mobile number (it’s not that hard if you try) and started to personally call him. Once they know you will not be going away things change fast.

Most new car buyers seem to get the extended warranty so you have some hope out to 6 years.

Is why a short engine block with crank should be readily available to swap over the bits from old engine and keep trucking. It’s 101 not to let issues like this define your brand.

[Mellow Yellow]

Happens way to often. Especially on the 3 litre. Should be able to start a class action against LR . They continually build these pieces of junk.


Is the SDV6 engine in the Discovery 4 the same 3.0 litre engine that's in the new Defender?

[101RRS]

Is the SDV6 engine in the Discovery 4 the same 3.0 litre engine that's in the new Defender?

No - the new LR designed diesels are now the Ingenium series of engines - straight 4 or 6 cylinder engines

[Jpdv]

Toyota could pay more than $2 billion to customers in class action over faulty DPFs (https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/toyota-could-pay-more-than-242-billion-to-customers-in-class-action-over-faulty-dpfs/ar-AAVWEfN)

It can happen to anyone....

[Slingsh0t]

Sorry to hear OP about your crankshaft. I have a disco 4 2011 that I'm suspecting has the same issue, yet to get it to a shop to confirm but its looking like it.

Is it possible to swap an SDV6 out with a TDV6, or would it just be a matter of swapping turbos and ECUs as they're basically the same?

A follow on from the above question, does anyone know if its possible to do a top and bottom end swapover from a territory TDV6 over to a Disco 4 that had an SDV6 in it? Keep all the original motor wiring/accessories/sump/etc, is this possible?

[coopers1969]

I Purchased a second hand D4 3 litre that had a full engine replacement and both turbos, the person i purchased it off of sent me all the invoice work that was done on the car and based on the invoice LR paid for the motor and he had to pay for the labour. which was a 25000 dollar bill. but i got a new engine and new turbos which at the time had only done 5000 km so i am happy.

[loanrangie]

Sorry to hear OP about your crankshaft. I have a disco 4 2011 that I'm suspecting has the same issue, yet to get it to a shop to confirm but its looking like it.

Is it possible to swap an SDV6 out with a TDV6, or would it just be a matter of swapping turbos and ECUs as they're basically the same?

A follow on from the above question, does anyone know if its possible to do a top and bottom end swapover from a territory TDV6 over to a Disco 4 that had an SDV6 in it? Keep all the original motor wiring/accessories/sump/etc, is this possible?I wouldn't say it's not possible but to my knowledge no one has attempted it yet, if I had a 3ltr let go I would seriously look into it or do a TDV8 swap.

[DiscoJeffster]

I wouldn't say it's not possible but to my knowledge no one has attempted it yet, if I had a 3ltr let go I would seriously look into it or do a TDV8 swap.

If you had the time and spare car, it’s probably a viable project, but if it’s your openly car, I’m not sure it stacks up economically

[101RRS]

The 3.0 TDV6 is basically the same engine as the 3.0 SDV6 with just different programming. Someone in Aust (not sure if on this forum or on the UK Disco 3 forum) has replaced a 3.0 with a 2.7 TDV6 using a mix of 3.0 and 2.7 ancillaries and apparently it went in reasonably easy.

[loanrangie]

If you had the time and spare car, it’s probably a viable project, but if it’s your openly car, I’m not sure it stacks up economicallyYes, it really depends on if you can justify throwing 25-30k at an older car or have expensive lawn ornament.
5k for a runabout while you repair it.

[mowog]

I wouldn't say it's not possible but to my knowledge no one has attempted it yet, if I had a 3ltr let go I would seriously look into it or do a TDV8 swap.

It has been done. there is a story in this forum

[goldey]

Or, has anyone considered or done the petrol V8 swap? I know they're not that thick on the ground in Australia but plenty of overseas markets have had them for years and they don't seem to suffer the same engine crank issues as the diesels. IF, you could find a petrol V8 for the D4 to swap in............ I had considered it and did some research to try and find one to no avail before we found our low km second hand 3.0 SDV6 to swap in after our crank let go.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Or, has anyone considered or done the petrol V8 swap? I know they're not that thick on the ground in Australia but plenty of overseas markets have had them for years and they don't seem to suffer the same engine crank issues as the diesels. IF, you could find a petrol V8 for the D4 to swap in............ I had considered it and did some research to try and find one to no avail before we found our low km second hand 3.0 SDV6 to swap in after our crank let go.

The long or short petrol v8 engine should be available ex USA as they did not get the diesels. I would expect a different adapter plate to the transmission and perhaps different engine mounts, but mechanically would be straight swap? Ecu etc would be completely different, but perhaps buying a complete engine and transmission with loom and ecu would ve an option....

[PerthDisco]

A TDV8 swap would be the dream machine though!

[Slingsh0t]

if I had a 3ltr let go I would seriously look into it

I've been furiously googling and youtubing, so far everything that people talk about is a swap for the territory tdv6 into an LR3 that already had the 2.7 in it. But the research I'm doing suggests it _might/should_ be possible and at the moment its either that, or a 2nd hand reco swap for probably the better part of 15-20k. I can get a 2nd hand territory motor with less than 100k kms for less than $3k so I'm tempted to give it a crack but just not good at being a pioneer with these things and honestly don't know enough about the process and compatibility problems I'll run into before I commit to trying.

[PerthDisco]

DazzaTD5 in Perth (Aztech 4x4) fixes them for a living and is at the forefront of this question may assist but keep in mind he does it for a living.

[chuck]

Slingshot

Perhaps consult with some Indies

Ritter are not far from you

Another one that is experienced and well priced with good honest advice is Auto Farm Engineering however they are in Kilmore East.

They also wreck all types of Landies including D4's so might be worth a conversation.

[Smocky]

I think sticking the knife in for a new engine at full markup with no discernible difference to the one that blew up is really taking the mickey!

100% this!!

My car is at the dealership being assessed. I have had a constructive conversation with the Service Manager and we will see where it goes. Thanks all for the conversation and help, it actually is helpful, believe it or not, to know that it's not you, you are just a statistic.

I guess the next step is starting to manage my own expectations. Where I am right now, I am expecting to pay exactly $0.00. The reason being, this car is not fit for it's intended purpose. The engine appears not to be designed strong enough to pull it's own weight let alone anything on the tow bar. I was towing a 1t Camper, way less than the 3.5T towing capacity. I did not contribute to the failure, it is not a "wear" issue, it is a design fault/limitation. In fact, I believe LR should be also paying for the tows and me having to join NRMA to get home.

I'll update when there is progress.

Cheers everyone,

[chuck]

Smocky

Best of luck - wish you every success.

[DiscoJeffster]

I think if you get 50% you’re doing well out of them, not my view, just based on others’ experiences

[simonmelb]

Good luck and keep fighting! It’s definitely not fit for purpose. They’ll probably say you pay all labour and they provide engine “as a gesture of goodwill”. This would still be a crap offer with the proven weakness and recall in other countries of this engine.

It’s the main reason I’ve kept my TD5 D2 !

[ATH]

Damn and blast. I only recently said to the dear Cook that I thought we'd stick with the 2016 D4 as it was a good car and great to drive etc etc., then this busted crankshaft thing comes up again on a well serviced vehicle! But what to buy?
Ford Everest or whatever it is, or a Prado with known probs?
Please advise. :)
AlanH.

[scarry]

I did not contribute to the failure, it is not a "wear" issue, it is a design fault/limitation.

Correct,and LR continued on with it,even used it in Disco 5,knowing it had these issues.

I cant work out why there is no class action or whatever against them.
The only reason is possibly its a very low volume seller,the more that are affected by something,the more chance there is for legal action,class action or whatever.

Anyway,i hope its all sorted without much pain.

[Smocky]

I think if you get 50% you’re doing well out of them, not my view, just based on others’ experiences

We'll see how we go, because I am starting at zero and see no reason why I should pay 50%. They'll need to explain that to me to avoid me going down the Consumer Affairs route for selling a product that is nt fit for purpose. It has been a while, but I'm pretty sure there's an implied contract in their somewhere, when the explain what the car is capable of, and the 3T towing capacity etc, then it fails doing what they say it can do.

50% seems 100% a sell out. But we'll see.

[DiscoJeffster]

We'll see how we go, because I am starting at zero and see no reason why I should pay 50%. They'll need to explain that to me to avoid me going down the Consumer Affairs route for selling a product that is nt fit for purpose. It has been a while, but I'm pretty sure there's an implied contract in their somewhere, when the explain what the car is capable of, and the 3T towing capacity etc, then it fails doing what they say it can do.

50% seems 100% a sell out. But we'll see.

Sadly everyone has tried the consumer affairs route and got no support. You’ll get nothing from them in Aus. Even precedence in other jurisdictions has not moved them an inch. You’re barking up the wrong tree there - they won’t try and LR will laugh if they do

[Smocky]

Damn and blast. I only recently said to the dear Cook that I thought we'd stick with the 2016 D4 as it was a good car and great to drive etc etc., then this busted crankshaft thing comes up again on a well serviced vehicle! But what to buy?
Ford Everest or whatever it is, or a Prado with known probs?
Please advise. :)
AlanH.

Yeh I've been googling new cars tonight too Alan. You know what I came up with? The all new Defender!! [happycry][bawl]

Prado is out. Not powerful enough.
LC/Lexus is nice, but it is a MASSIVE car and a lot more than a Disco
Jeep??? Hmmm. I know they had problems, but have never heard about random engine detonations.

The thing is, the right car for me is still a Disco.

Keen to know if you come up with any inspired choices.

[Smocky]

Sadly everyone has tried the consumer affairs route and got no support. You’ll get nothing from them in Aus. Even precedence in other jurisdictions has not moved them an inch. You’re barking up the wrong tree there - they won’t try and LR will laugh if they do

Well, I just need to follow a process I suppose. I was towing a 1T trailer at the time and as far as I can see in the Consumer Guarantee laws, it's actually pretty clear. I just hope they go the easy path and not the hard path as no one wins that way. If I have to, I will get a lawyer and we will go down a civil path. Would be interesting to see if they want to go through legal discovery about whether they know this is an issue.

Seriously, if it's a relatively small amount of cases, they should just fix those without much fuss. Don't need to go through recalls or anything silly. If it's a small number because they went a bit too thin on the crank shaft, then just make good in those cases.

[loanrangie]

It has been done. there is a story in this forumTDV8 swap yes,not a 2.7/3.0 hybrid.

[scarry]

Well, I just need to follow a process I suppose. I was towing a 1T trailer at the time and as far as I can see in the Consumer Guarantee laws, it's actually pretty clear. I just hope they go the easy path and not the hard path as no one wins that way.

The towing is irrelevant,many failed and had never towed anything.

[shanegtr]

Well, I just need to follow a process I suppose. I was towing a 1T trailer at the time and as far as I can see in the Consumer Guarantee laws, it's actually pretty clear. I just hope they go the easy path and not the hard path as no one wins that way. If I have to, I will get a lawyer and we will go down a civil path. Would be interesting to see if they want to go through legal discovery about whether they know this is an issue.

Seriously, if it's a relatively small amount of cases, they should just fix those without much fuss. Don't need to go through recalls or anything silly. If it's a small number because they went a bit too thin on the crank shaft, then just make good in those cases.
That's the angle I'd be attacking if it was me. Under Australian consumer law products have to be reasonably durable. Hard to argue that a failed engine with around 100,000kms and regular scheduled servicing (not abused with missed service intervals) is defiantly not reasonably durable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNSgP28vzQI

[ATH]

Can't say as I like the look of the new Defender Smocky and that box hanging off the side window looks odd. But then I don't like the new Rangie either with it's little rear lights and bland looks.:)
I don't think any choice I make will be "inspired", more like picking a replacement with a blind fold on and hoping.
The bit I'm dreading is selling the "D" privately as the possible buyers scare me to death with their awful driving and not wanting to identify who they are etc. But I hate the thought of being screwed by the car yards even more. :)
I remember my younger bro selling his 7 year old little used and in absolutely top condition V8 Ford Fairlane some years back.... he'd never kept a car so long before but never got around to selling it as he mostly drove his wife's Merc and the Fairlane sat in the garage.
He visited several yards around Sydney and salesman/yard buyers couldn't even be bothered looking at it and just quoted 2.5 - 4K as per their bible.
So he phoned around and a country dealer offered 12K if it was as good as he said. He got his 12K and the dealer flogged it off to a farmer in less than a week for 15. And bro bought a top of the range RR Sport off them. Winners all round.
I think I'll flog it while it's got 6 months after market warranty left and hope what little hair I've got left is still there after some of the loonies have driven it and frightened the crap out of me. :)
AlanH.

[101RRS]

We'll see how we go, because I am starting at zero and see no reason why I should pay 50%. They'll need to explain that to me to avoid me going down the Consumer Affairs route for selling a product that is nt fit for purpose. It has been a while, but I'm pretty sure there's an implied contract in their somewhere, when the explain what the car is capable of, and the 3T towing capacity etc, then it fails doing what they say it can do.

50% seems 100% a sell out. But we'll see.

Sorry to say but don't you think plenty have been down this route before and got no where. The issue is to enforce the consumer law YOU will have to take LR to court, there is no one there to do it for you. The costs are so high that is is easier to just take the 50% if it is being offered and go with that or fund the engine change yourself.

If you are prepared to be fund a court action yourself then there is a chance you may win but as the car is 6 years of age the court will not give you 100% but a proportion based on what they consider a reasonable life of the engine is - then the 50% offered by LR starts to look better.

Its not right but that is what the system is, despite complaints to the ACCC nothing has happened and then they can only take organisations to court for decision as they generally cannot give directions themselves.

So a reality check is needed.

[101RRS]

TDV8 swap yes,not a 2.7/3.0 hybrid.

Replacing a 3.0 with a 2.7 has been done.

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - LR4 3.0 conversion to 2.7 (https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/lr4-30-conversion-27-t-198024.html?highlight=replace+3.0+with+a+2.7)

[simonmelb]

Then get a well maintained D2 while you wait for your Ineos Grenadier to arrive 😊



The thing is, the right car for me is still a Disco.

Keen to know if you come up with any inspired choices.

[haydent]

big +1 RRS 3.6 TDV8, should be pretty easy as the Disco SDV6 engine was available in the range rover sport too at the time.

no way id spend any significant amount money putting the same engine back in

but at the same time id think a tdv8 might not be the easiest or cheapest engine to find, so i think there would be value in working out something common from another brand, as likely there will be plenty of interest in this particularly going forward.

[Arch]

The TDV8s are about Range Rover Vogue L322 Wrecking TDV6 TDV8 3.6 Engine Transmission parts Tailgate | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/192854944332?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2ce70cea4c:g:-WEAAOSwyUtbfBBF&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAA0BVEXv99qR8nfvqs%2FFI97gyU4z5 x4iLcObI3BHrTVZNHkdI8MpeYq8pRqrKdQbhKtH%2BTXPkW%2F kY3iH0Ju1EJmioxqimGDG%2B5m7Lzd%2FYyC7Ql6TuGbOoC2fI UWdQhW6dJC0VdovAzpziuTem49sO5QslVeZbT0ndqxAo92ayWq G%2BT6EQTkSUKKNZPgkcq6sCUl8XtbxEzPpIhrKLXJyWjlvBFE QKJK%2FF9BcYdDZ4R5N3hL9v1lYIblM8akosN0EfWQGBKLRP0b YCxwo6sJjMDT0s%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMkrqLgIRg)

Probably cheaper to buy a wreck from pickles so you have the ECUs etc as well.

I'd love to do it.

[mowog]

The TDV8s are about Range Rover Vogue L322 Wrecking TDV6 TDV8 3.6 Engine Transmission parts Tailgate | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/192854944332?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2ce70cea4c:g:-WEAAOSwyUtbfBBF&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAA0BVEXv99qR8nfvqs%2FFI97gyU4z5 x4iLcObI3BHrTVZNHkdI8MpeYq8pRqrKdQbhKtH%2BTXPkW%2F kY3iH0Ju1EJmioxqimGDG%2B5m7Lzd%2FYyC7Ql6TuGbOoC2fI UWdQhW6dJC0VdovAzpziuTem49sO5QslVeZbT0ndqxAo92ayWq G%2BT6EQTkSUKKNZPgkcq6sCUl8XtbxEzPpIhrKLXJyWjlvBFE QKJK%2FF9BcYdDZ4R5N3hL9v1lYIblM8akosN0EfWQGBKLRP0b YCxwo6sJjMDT0s%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMkrqLgIRg)

Probably cheaper to buy a wreck from pickles so you have the ECUs etc as well.

I'd love to do it.

You need a same series Range Range Rover sport to get the ECU's to match. There is a fair bit you will need from the Range Rover Sport

[Graeme]

MY10 RRS still had the 3.6 but presumably a Bosch ecu like the MY10 2.7 D4 rather then the previous Siemens to work with the new MY10 specification canbus. The MY10 L322 also had the 3.6 and the new canbus so that ecu might also be usable.

[haydent]

MY10 RRS still had the 3.6 but presumably a Bosch ecu like the MY10 2.7 D4 rather then the previous Siemens to work with the new MY10 specification canbus. The MY10 L322 also had the 3.6 and the new canbus so that ecu might also be usable.

I just checked with GAP and it appears my MY10 RRS is Siemens, looking at listings im seeing l322 and s320 tdv6 as bosch too, it seems it might not be so clear cut, and maybe both would work.

5ws40725d-t AH4Q12A650SAD only 80 pound on ebay ! (its also listed as MY10 L322) RANGE ROVER L322 3.6 DIESEL V8 ENGINE CONTROL MODULE UNIT ECU 2010 AH4Q12A650SAD | eBay (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVER-L322-3-6-DIESEL-V8-ENGINE-CONTROL-MODULE-UNIT-ECU-2010-AH4Q12A650SAD-/115300505187?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c4)

also full ecu/dash/key sets available (no coding !) (mind you if i was doing this i definately still want access to GAP or Nanocom)

these ecu are actually pretty common and cheap !


The other thing I was thinking about, if i was in this situation, is id try just putting in a new crank, but now im thinking it might not be just that as the cam would have stopped spinning in sync likely and crashed some valves... but still might be not to big a job for home mechanic.

[Graeme]

Modifying the Siemens ecu to use the new canbus must have been a lesser task than getting the Bosch ecu to support the twin turbo with inlet port disabling 3.6 for just 1 year of production. The 3.6 operates quite differently to the 3.0 TDV6 and 4.4 TDV8 with their primary and secondary turbos which use the same Bosch ecu.

[josh.huber]

Modifying the Siemens ecu to use the new canbus must have been a lesser task than getting the Bosch ecu to support the twin turbo with inlet port disabling 3.6 for just 1 year of production. The 3.6 operates quite differently to the 3.0 TDV6 and 4.4 TDV8 with their primary and secondary turbos which use the same Bosch ecu.

Hey Grahame,

Won't the injectors be matched to the ECU aswell. Isn't there Bosch and Siemens injectors? So one might have to change the injectors over so the trim codes will work too

[101RRS]

When people have put in a 3.6TDV8 into a Disco they have realised that it is too hard to get all the TDV8 to talk to the Disco electronics and electrics so have used a donor RRS TDV8 and transferred the RRS electronics and electrics (wiring loom and ECUs, instruments etc) across to the Disco so the engine and ECUs still think they are in the RRS.

[josh.huber]

When people have put in a 3.6TDV8 into a Disco they have realised that it is too hard to get all the TDV8 to talk to the Disco electronics and electrics so have used a donor RRS TDV8 and transferred the RRS electronics and electrics (wiring loom and ECUs, instruments etc) across to the Disco so the engine and ECUs still think they are in the RRS.

Yeah but will Siemens ecu work with Bosch injectors and the other way around?

[loanrangie]

Yeah but will Siemens ecu work with Bosch injectors and the other way around?Shouldn't really matter but being a Landrover it does.

[josh.huber]

Shouldn't really matter but being a Landrover it does.

In other vehicle types the fuelling system is generally ecu and injector matched.. Sometimes sensors aswell

[101RRS]

Yeah but will Siemens ecu work with Bosch injectors and the other way around?

I got no idea what you are talking about - when the conversion was done the entire systems from the RRS were moved to the Disco so no mismatch of ecus and injectors.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I got no idea what you are talking about - when the conversion was done the entire systems from the RRS were moved to the Disco so no mismatch of ecus and injectors.
Actually that's the hard way to do it, and doing it that way creates just as many problems as it solves.

The easiest path of a conversion does depend on which vehicle you're starting with, but assuming a 3.0L L319 2010-2011MY, there's no need to swap everything out of the 2010MY 3.6L L320 .

Actually if you just get the engine, trans, PCM (engine control module) and sort out the wiring, the rest is a matter of programming, but very few workshops have the programming capability to do it that way.

EDIT

It's also possible to use a pre-2010 3.6L donor, but the PCM needs to be opened up & some components on the board changed as well as flashed with 2010MY firmware, and the TCM needs be be removed from the box to be flashed with 2010MY firmware as well.

29-bit vs 11-bit firmware.

[101RRS]

Maybe but the one person I know of who has actually done it and not talked about it did it the way that was suggested. Started with an early L320 TDV8 into a D3.

[Smocky]

Just to update everyone, because I know I get frustrated when I search for things and read the thread but it has no conclusion.

It has taken quite a bit of time in my opinion, but working with the dealer advocating for me with JLRA, I have achieved a very satisfactory outcome. As I mentioned before, everyone's circumstances are different and in my specific circumstances I felt I had a very reasonable and defendable position. I am not going to go into details, as I don't think that is overly useful or fair as each situation is different.

My advice to anyone that is in this situation follows on from much of the advice I was given. Know your circumstances (how was the vehicle used, age, service history, what was it doing at the time of failure), know the similar cases (YouTube), know your rights, and communicate effectively, firmly and with minimal emotion. I did NOT accept the first offer, and in fact escalated as a result of what I felt was an initially unreasonable and unfair offer.

In my view, JLRA has ended up doing the right thing.

Cheers everyone, I'll post a couple more updates as I get my repaired vehicle back. It is having a new, full long motor fitted.

Jason.

PS at this stage I will be keeping the car