diesel or veggie oil

[ramblingboy42]

if you have an oiler td5 or older that will run on veggie oil , the supermarkets currently sell cooking oil cheaper than diesel fuel.

I did this years ago with my td5 when similar pricing occurred and I was using canola in Vic about 50% with diesel and saving about 15c/ltr on the canola at tthe time.

some of the cooking oil today was 9c cheaper than mondays diesel prices

if you have an old oiler it might be worthwhile buying some bulk.

[gruntfuttock]

if you have an oiler td5 or older that will run on veggie oil , the supermarkets currently sell cooking oil cheaper than diesel fuel.

I did this years ago with my td5 when similar pricing occurred and I was using canola in Vic about 50% with diesel and saving about 15c/ltr on the canola at tthe time.

some of the cooking oil today was 9c cheaper than mondays diesel prices

if you have an old oiler it might be worthwhile buying some bulk.

Were there and secondary effects at all?
Is the TD5 chipped, modified ?
I have heard that « its not advisable » to run the TD5 on recycled oil or other forms of oil. But as yet I do not know exactly why. Can anyone enlighten me?

[travelrover]

A quick google shows 20l of canola oil selling between $70-90 which is still $3.50 - $4.50 per liter!

[gruntfuttock]

A quick google shows 20l of canola oil selling between $70-90 which is still $3.50 - $4.50 per liter!

Yes canola oil is at a near all time high, a big boon for the farmers. They need a bit of good luck

[Fattima]

I've run a diesel veg mix in a 300tdi (run biodiesel now) even if the oil is cheaper you may use more of it. I found in the 300tdi my economy dropped off a bit, less energy in oil I'm told. Wasn't a worry for me as the oil was free.

[ramblingboy42]

the td5 was actually designed by Land Rover to run on lesser refined fuels , and it does it perfectly with very little noticeable performance loss.

for a long time I used various veggie oils in my fuel including adding 2 stroke at around 250ml per tankful, I believed the td5 ran smoother with it.

I think the hot 75psi recirculating fuel system on the td5 helped the mix as well.

I don't think Land Rover would have changed to common rail diesel when they did if Ford hadn't owned them.

[Fattima]

the td5 was actually designed by Land Rover to run on lesser refined fuels , and it does it perfectly with very little noticeable performance loss.

for a long time I used various veggie oils in my fuel including adding 2 stroke at around 250ml per tankful, I believed the td5 ran smoother with it.

I think the hot 75psi recirculating fuel system on the td5 helped the mix as well.

I don't think Land Rover would have changed to common rail diesel when they did if Ford hadn't owned them.

I've read of one person running a twin tank veg system with a TD5 and has for a few years without issue.

[gruntfuttock]

the td5 was actually designed by Land Rover to run on lesser refined fuels , and it does it perfectly with very little noticeable performance loss.

for a long time I used various veggie oils in my fuel including adding 2 stroke at around 250ml per tankful, I believed the td5 ran smoother with it.

I think the hot 75psi recirculating fuel system on the td5 helped the mix as well.

I don't think Land Rover would have changed to common rail diesel when they did if Ford hadn't owned them.

Thanks for that information, I didn't know that. I will try the 2 stoke oil, I always run a bit of "flashlube" which I find it likes, but as Rudolf Diesel designed the first engine to run on peanut oil, I was surprised that I was told only to run diesel.

[cripesamighty]

The TD5 engine story for those that may be interested (taken from LRO magazine many years ago), including why they ran the test engines on kerosene.

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[RANDLOVER]

A quick google shows 20l of canola oil selling between $70-90 which is still $3.50 - $4.50 per liter!

Which is why it would be better to utilise used cooking oil, although you have to filter that of course, best is to convert it into biodiesel.

[Don 130]

There is a worldwide shortage of cooking oil looming up with Ukraine sunflower crop failing, Canada has had a bad season, Indonesia has stopped exporting palm oil, and on and on it goes. They're already rationing cooking oil in the UK. The prices will not go down for a while.
Don.

[ramblingboy42]

I wonder how a vehicle would run on hemp oil......

I also wonder why such a beneficial crop to grow in this country is basically illegal.

WAKE UP AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES.....

[PhilipA]

I wonder how a vehicle would run on hemp oil......

I also wonder why such a beneficial crop to grow in this country is basically illegal.

Hemp plants are legal as long as they do not have the constituent oil of Marijuana .

I remember many years ago NSW Ag conducted a trial in Western NSW as Hemp is a great source of fibre for bags etc.

After a few weeks one of the triallers came along to find truckloads missing.

Comment was that the thieves would have to smoke the whole truckload to get high.

AFAIK not economic in OZ. You would know why if you go through Northern India where perhaps millions of tonnes are grown.

Regards PhilipA

[PhilipA]

I wonder how much Jet 1A is to buy as a Disco will run well on that.

Regards PhilipA

[ramblingboy42]

I believe it's quite expensive , that's why I wonder why an alternative fuel for jet turbines hasn't been sourced.

I saw somewhere the cost of fuel at current prices for the new A350's 20hr flight.....it was frightening.

....there must be a veggie alternative out there waiting for Twiggy to see its value....

[BradC]

I believe it's quite expensive , that's why I wonder why an alternative fuel for jet turbines hasn't been sourced.

I saw somewhere the cost of fuel at current prices for the new A350's 20hr flight.....it was frightening.

....there must be a veggie alternative out there waiting for Twiggy to see its value....

The issue isn't its viability, it's getting the entire aircraft fuel systems and rotating machines tested and approved.

[Fattima]

I believe it's quite expensive , that's why I wonder why an alternative fuel for jet turbines hasn't been sourced.

I saw somewhere the cost of fuel at current prices for the new A350's 20hr flight.....it was frightening.

....there must be a veggie alternative out there waiting for Twiggy to see its value....
There are a couple of companies trialing bio fuels for the aviation industry, some are alcohol based from bio mass and I remember reading about algae based oil.

[ramblingboy42]

watching 4 corners and the hopeful road to everything electric is not going to be cheap nor actually "green"

Australia has the opportunity to lead the world in sourcing minerals for the necessary componentry for future electrical goods....

most of this is not going to happen effectively for some years , though some , vis cobalt in Broken Hill and Lithium in King Island can be sourced fairly soon from existing facilities.

in the mean time clean fuel is going to be necessary for Australia's long range vehicle fleet for quite a few years yet.

there are no existing long term fixes available.

[PhilipA]

Just a thought on using grain or vegetable stock to produce Ethanol.

One of the problems is that where food is also a use of the agricultural product , the demand will always be at a higher price than for input to ethanol production.

That is a reason that bio fuel production started with fanfare in Australia then petered out as it was based on canola.

Seeing it is expected that grain prices will rise greatly from the lack of Ukraine production, there will be input price increases for ethanol also.

In NSW ethanol is solely a byproduct of Manildra's starch plant at Bomaderry, but this volume is limited to what is produced as a byproduct with the main aim to reduce the amount of bio active effluent produced by the factory and a particular dislike of the EPA.
Regards PhilipA

[trout1105]

I believe it's quite expensive , that's why I wonder why an alternative fuel for jet turbines hasn't been sourced.

I saw somewhere the cost of fuel at current prices for the new A350's 20hr flight.....it was frightening.

....there must be a veggie alternative out there waiting for Twiggy to see its value....

If jets started to use veggie oil we wouldn't be able to afford to fry our chips because demand will outstrip supply very fast and that would lead to massive price increases for plant based oils.

I can see the value in using recycled oils But burning perfectly good food just to run a jet or car makes little sense to me.

[superquag]

I've read of one person running a twin tank veg system with a TD5 and has for a few years without issue.

A common and use-able idea Back in The Day. The extra tank was rock-diesel, and a flow switching manifold so that starting and end of journey was fueled by Diesel, and the OIL tank was water-warmed which obviously, was used for bulk of journey.

Idea was to start on Diesel, warm up engine which warmed - and thinned - the veg oil, and again to flush out the I-Pump before shut down.

Straight Vegg Oil could be used via extensive filtering either/both ON the vehicle or up. the backyard. Most economical method. Also -depending on the oil source, heating HOT with water... stirring...then settling takes out a lot of rubbish. Then fine sock filters. Good also for prepping the oil for making biodiesel as it takes out floaties, making the split glycerine suitable for fine soap making. [bigsmile1]

[travelrover]

There are a couple of companies trialing bio fuels for the aviation industry, some are alcohol based from bio mass and I remember reading about algae based oil.

Spotted this article today

First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023: A roadmap to clean aviation (https://newatlas.com/aircraft/aviation-h2-ammonia-fuel-jet-aircraft/)

[d2dave]

If jets started to use veggie oil we wouldn't be able to afford to fry our chips because demand will outstrip supply very fast and that would lead to massive price increases for plant based oils.

I can see the value in using recycled oils But burning perfectly good food just to run a jet or car makes little sense to me.

Would the jets run using an air fryer instead. Works at home. Chips just as good without the oil[bigwhistle]