School me on commercial vehicles.

[Homestar]

So, I have one for the brains trust. I currently have an SR5 Hilux as a work car. It's due for replacement and I want something more comfortable if possible. Only catch is that it needs to be a commercial vehicle for rego purposes to avoid FBT - this is about the only stipulation.

So, below is the must haves - any recommendations on a vehicle that meets all of the below and is more comfortable than a Hilux - I'm assuming most dual cabs ride about the same but if someone has experience on any that may ride better, then please sing out. Ideally I'd like a wagon body rather than a ute but not sure if there's anything that would fulfill the brief.

MUST HAVE
Brand new not used
Budget is up to $80K
Be able to be registered as a commercial vehicle
Ideally have a towing capacity of 3000kg but can be as low as 2600kg
Be more comfy than a Hilux dual cab

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

TIA

[grey_ghost]

Isuzu D-max?

Anything has to be more comfortable than a Hilux [emoji6]

[Homestar]

Well that’s a good point re the Hilux… [emoji16]

I’ve driven a D max - I didn’t find it any better to be honest but it was a couple of years old. A dual cab is a last resort but not sure if there’s a commercial option that is a wagon rather than a dual cab.

[RobMichelle]

What about the LDV

[Homestar]

What about the LDV

Appreciate the input but No. I should have stated that earlier - no dodgy cheap arse brands. For $80K I want something decent.

[chuck]

Just about get a LC 76 for your budget

Next go to would V6 Diesel Ranger

Lot of the wagons are not commercial i.e. Everest

[Saitch]

This may help!


https://youtu.be/r4xYcyqd8yQ't=10

[peterjj]

We live out of town and the trip home involves some corrugated dirt roads, so comfort and handling is made obvious daily.
Wife had a 2018 Amarok and there was never any comment about ride or handling being worse than the non-utes she had previously. It was almost car-like to drive.
I currently have a 2022 Hilux and the ride is so hard that the wife will not use it unless absolutely neccessary. (The ute is for highly active dogs so not much weight).
The Amarok was bought used and had various electrical issues especially with the stop/start resulting in a couple of no starts in the middle of Sydney traffic, so it was sold. Not sure if that is indicative of the model.

[TonyC]

Point 3, must be commercial

Does if have to be commercial, or just LCT exempt?

What is the definition of commercial, is it geater than 1 tonne payload? If so then none of the wagons will comply.

I think the 79 series wagon is exempt from LCT, as it should be as its exempt from luxury.

The Ranger Raptor is quite possibly the best riding dual cab, but it has a low payload and towing, and it's a Ford, and I believe I've heard you express an opinion about Ford.

Tony

[scarry]

The Ranger Raptor is quite possibly the best riding dual cab, but it has a low payload and towing, and it's a Ford, and I believe I've heard you express an opinion about Ford.

Tony

Thats the one,rides on FOX suspension,but i wouldnt buy one either.The best ride of the utes buy a country mile.

Any 70,even the 76 needs a hell of a lot of work and $$ to make is very comdortable,and you will need to find a very good suspension guy.
And the utes have one hell of a turning circle.

You won't get a 76,they are years off,but you could get one of the utes.

So that leaves all the other dual cab utes on the market,sorry i cant help.
But something like a Hilux with good aftermarket suspension may be the go.You will need to do a lot of research and find a GOOD aftermarket suspension guy,who as experience in them.

We drove an SR5 when we were looking for something to replace the D4,and yes it was rough as,didnt take long to work out it wasnt for us.

Ended up with the LC 200,plated commercial and LCT exempt,but those days are now long gone.
It rides and drives very well.

[Homestar]

Point 3, must be commercial

Does if have to be commercial, or just LCT exempt?

What is the definition of commercial, is it geater than 1 tonne payload? If so then none of the wagons will comply.

I think the 79 series wagon is exempt from LCT, as it should be as its exempt from luxury.

The Ranger Raptor is quite possibly the best riding dual cab, but it has a low payload and towing, and it's a Ford, and I believe I've heard you express an opinion about Ford.

Tony

Just had to be exempt from FBT - as long as it can be registered as commercial - that doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be a ute or carry 1 tonne, but I’m struggling to make head nor arsehole of the regs.

Have heard the Ranger is more comfy but I’m a bit loath to buy a Ford but it could fit the bill.

[Homestar]

Also Toyotas are a huge issue as they seem to be the worst at un****ing their supply chain. Most OEM’s are around 3 to 6 months delivery at the moment but Toyota is around 2 years so this on its own almost counts them out. The Boss isn’t happy about that after buying over 40 of them in the last 10 years.

[350RRC]

Isuzu DC ute, or Isuzu MUX.

All the current crop of diesel utes are work vehicles, not luxo offroad things like you're used to....... RRC, Disco?, 101 [thumbsupbig].

I find it amusing that people expect something like a rok or a ranger or a lux will go offroad like the D1 they used to own.

Have driven them all now and the Isuzu would be #1, mostly because of the effortless torque of its under stressed donk.

Also shoulder room seems bigger than lux, ranger, rok.

DL

[gromit]

D-Max or BT 50

Just purchased an MUX, I know it's not quite the same as the D-Max but similar platform and same for the BT. 3.5 tonne tow capacity.
Delivery with most brands is a problem so get in sooner rather than later.

You'll hate all the electronics, lane departure, auto braking, electronic park brake etc. etc.
On the MUX you can quickly remove the lane departure but the auto braking has to be done through a menu, I do it for longer trips but it's a PITA.

All the beeping, 'check your surroundings' messages while you're in traffic are ticking me off. This morning with frost on the windscreen there were warnings that auto braking & lane departure weren't working.....frost over the camera's. Maybe a big sticker to cover the camera's would work ??

Best of luck.

Colin

[trout1105]

Have you tried lowering the tyre pressures on the Hilux, You will be supprised at the difference in the ride quality[thumbsupbig]

[Tote]

Not withstanding your issue above with Tojos, a mate just this week got a new Prado fitted with a GVM upgrade prior to rego which pushes it into the realm of being a commercial vehicle. The savings more than paid for the GVM upgrade.

Regards,
Tote

[Homestar]

So I found some interesting reading - the Fringe Benefits Tax for vehicles is quite a complicated setup and it seems a lot abuse the system - mainly along the personal use bit but there is a line in the regs that say “if the total determined passenger weight exceeds the remaining load capacity the dual cab will be subject to FBT for all private usage (including trips to and from work).”

So more research to be done on the Ranger models as some of these have piddly load ratings and may be excluded.

The search continues…

[scarry]

Also if you only have the work vehicle and don’t have a private vehicle then FBT applies,but the system is abused as you said.Difficult for the tax office to keep up with it all unless they dig deep,but hopefully they after the big fish…

We paid around $4K FBT on the Cruiser last year even though it’s plated commercial as we don’t have a private vehicle.
All the other vehicles we have are FBT exempt,but are not necessarily not used for a lot of private use…

[Homestar]

It doesn’t get used much for personal use. Maybe a little more than the ATO would like but not much. They say under 1000km a year and no trip more than 200km and I doubt I’d hit those marks to be honest.

We take SWMBO car everywhere outside work.

[Homestar]

Does the new model Ranger come with coil suspension in the rear? Their spec sheets are horrible and I can't seem to find the answer for this.

Looking at a Ranger Sport with the 3 litre V6 Diesel and full time 4WD. Does anyone know much about the 2 engine choices in these - on paper they will both leave a Hilux in the dust but not sure which one is a better engine overall.

[LRJim]

Amarok v6 if their paying all the service costs, I love my 2011 4cyl, drives like a car and tows like a tractor just needs a bit more power, super reliable if you keep to the service schedule. VW have sorted most of the v6 teething problems now so they are quite reliable now.
Cheers

[Homestar]

Amarok v6 if their paying all the service costs, I love my 2011 4cyl, drives like a car and tows like a tractor just needs a bit more power, super reliable if you keep to the service schedule. VW have sorted most of the v6 teething problems now so they are quite reliable now.
Cheers

While they are, I wouldn't want one and the Boss hates VW's as well so that counts them out. Being in a Ranger will be bad enough, I don't want to slip down any more rungs than that...

[LRJim]

While they are, I wouldn't want one and the Boss hates VW's as well so that counts them out. Being in a Ranger will be bad enough, I don't want to slip down any more rungs than that...Sounds like you have no choice other than a boring uncomfortable dual cab ute then [emoji1787][emoji6] is the grenadier in the budget?

[gromit]

Amarok v6 if their paying all the service costs, I love my 2011 4cyl, drives like a car and tows like a tractor just needs a bit more power, super reliable if you keep to the service schedule. VW have sorted most of the v6 teething problems now so they are quite reliable now.
Cheers

The boss at work has a Walkinshaw Amarok, plenty of power for towing.....

Gavin, The new Ranger has the TDV6 motor I understand, hopefully not the same problems as many Disco 4's had ?!

Great motor (2.7) in the Territory, don't quite know what they did when they increased the capacity, never heard of any problems on the Ford forum with the Terri motor.

The Isuzu motor seems a bit more agricultural compared to the TDV6 but limited choice when my car was due for renewal.


Colin

[Homestar]

Sounds like you have no choice other than a boring uncomfortable dual cab ute then [emoji1787][emoji6] is the grenadier in the budget?

Yes, regrettably I think you're correct. Re the Grenadier - Budget wise borderline - I could probably swing it, but from a supply and resale side of things not a chance unfortunately. Boss isn't too thrilled about buying a Ford let alone something like that. He knows he doesn't have a choice this time as Toyota have really dropped the ball - both on supply chain issues and their complete lack of innovation. The Hilux is a dinosaur in every way but they don't want to change a thing. Probably becuase spankers keep on paying top dollar for them for some unknown reason.

[Homestar]

The boss at work has a Walkinshaw Amarok, plenty of power for towing.....

Gavin, The new Ranger has the TDV6 motor I understand, hopefully not the same problems as many Disco 4's had ?!

Great motor (2.7) in the Territory, don't quite know what they did when they increased the capacity, never heard of any problems on the Ford forum with the Terri motor.

The Isuzu motor seems a it more agricultural compared to the TDV6 but limited choice when my car was due for renewal.


Colin

I think I could do worse than the Ranger - another Hilux for starters... :) Boss is pricing a v6 Sport for me so will see what he comes back with.

[Saitch]

A friend of mine has a newish DMax. I went for a drive with her to see something or other, out from Injune on some typical, country roads. Not the most comfy vehicle I've been in. (But I had just hopped out of the D3.)

'Good Luck, Gav!', is all I can offer. [thumbsupbig]

[350RRC]

........................

Looking at a Ranger Sport with the 3 litre V6 Diesel and full time 4WD. Does anyone know much about the 2 engine choices in these - on paper they will both leave a Hilux in the dust but not sure which one is a better engine overall.

Drove a newish (18 thou on the odo) ranger with the small (2.2?) motor and auto over 1500k's for work earlier in the year.

Was a bit like a rok.......... had to rev to pull, a bit over stressed I thought.

Wasn't any bigger than a triton inside, which was a surprise.

The auto grumbled changing gears. Something didn't sound right.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, like a 70's taxi with a BW trans with a million k's on it.

It guzzled fuel at times for no apparent reason. We were travelling 100k's each way to the site area each day, sometimes towing a boat, sometimes not. Best fuel use was one day when towing the boat..............go figure [bigwhistle][bighmmm]

Glad I wasn't paying the fuel bill, was substantial for the k's we did.

It did have this great thing under the speedo that gave you the real legal speed at all times accurately. Must be hooked up to gps, did legal roadworks speed limits as well.

All I can say is a 3.0 auto Isuzu craps all over it. The effortless grunt pulling up a hill from lowish revs gets a smile from me.

You really need to drive all your options for a couple of hours each before making the call, even the differing seats might be a game changer.

cheers, DL

[RANDLOVER]

I think I could do worse than the Ranger - another Hilux for starters... :) Boss is pricing a v6 Sport for me so will see what he comes back with.

If you end up getting a ute, tell the boss you need a 500Litre tank in the back for topping up your diesel gensets, that should soften the ride.

[BigJon]

It did have this great thing under the speedo that gave you the real legal speed at all times accurately. Must be hooked up to gps, did legal roadworks speed limits as well.



They have a camera which recognizes speed limit signs.

[Homestar]

If you end up getting a ute, tell the boss you need a 500Litre tank in the back for topping up your diesel gensets, that should soften the ride.

We have 600 litre slide in tanks we use in the utes - but that’s not my job, I’m beyond getting my hands dirty - I organise others to get theirs dirty. 😁😇

Mine will have an ARB canopy on the back like I have now on the Hilux as well. 😊

[Homestar]

Saw that Creative Conversions have the dual cab ute prototype of the LC300 complete on LinkedIn today. Showed my Boss - he told me to **** off (in the nicest possible way) [emoji38]. He has a very nice 200 with all the fruit that’s only got 30,000KM on it so I’m guessing I’m not allowed to have anything nicer than that. [emoji16]

Here’s a few pics - there was one with the tray on it on LinkedIn - actually a really good looking unit. 700mm extended chassis, no pricing - I guess you have to wait 4 years for the vehicle now then another 12 months having it converted by them.

Creative Conversions - Landcruiser 300 Series (https://creativeconversions.com.au/photo-galleries/landcruiser-300-series/)

[Homestar]

A couple of pics from LinkedIn. I know a lot here will poo poo this but I’d have one if dollars were no object. Prefer one of these to a Ram or F Truck

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[DieselDan]

Does the new model Ranger come with coil suspension in the rear? Their spec sheets are horrible and I can't seem to find the answer for this.

Looking at a Ranger Sport with the 3 litre V6 Diesel and full time 4WD. Does anyone know much about the 2 engine choices in these - on paper they will both leave a Hilux in the dust but not sure which one is a better engine overall.Hi Gav,
The only new Ranger with rear coils will be the Raptor.
The engine options in the Sport are the 4cyl, the same 2.0L Bi-turbo that first came out in the current (old?) Ranger Raptor. 150odd kW and 500Nm.
The V6 is Ford's version of the 3.0 Lion, taken from the F truck. 190kW (I think) and 600Nm.

[d2dave]

Jeez Gav, getting a bit fussy in your old age[smilebigeye]

If my boss offered me a free car and it was a low lux I would jump at it.

[chuck]

Had a drive of a V6 Diesel Ranger yesterday.

Was very impressed.

Fairly expensive though

[Arapiles]

And .... some of the Ford Rangers have permanent 4WD and some don't.

[chuck]

The V6 diesels have permanent four wheel drive plus transfer case plus locking rear diff.

Ducking for cover I believe it went a well as a 3.0 litre diesel D4

[DiscoDB]

The commercial ruling for dual cabs can be problematic to navigate, but most of the new Ford Ranger models should qualify as being commercial vehicles.

https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document?Docid=MTR/MT2024/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958

The new Ford Ranger is sounding very good - especially the XLT/Sport/Wildtack version with leaf sprung rear, 3,500kg tow capacity and the 3.0TDV6.

The XLT dual cab with the 3.0TDV6 has a claimed payload of 1,151kg (when supplied as cab chassis only with no tray when it comes available) and so would be deemed a commercial vehicle even with a flat tray fitted, plus falls under or just on the LCT threshold.

Other models, including the Wildtrack, should still meet the commercial calculations even though the payload is just under 1T as the majority of the load capacity is not for driver/passengers (5x68kg=340kg).

2022 Ford Ranger: Every model'''s payload, GVM, and GCM | CarExpert (https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2022-ford-ranger-every-models-payload-gvm-and-gcm)

I would be visiting Ford and having a chat. A 4x4 Ute designed here in Melbourne with ARB supporting on the accessory side sounds good to me. Probably will be the last car to be designed in Australia.

[chuck]

Dealer told me on Friday that Ranger is exempt Luxury Car Tax.

Conversely the LCT applies to the Everest.

Priced up car and a few ARB/Ford supplied accessories and no LCT applied in quote.

The other reason that is good, is when claiming depreciation in a car worth more than LCT threshold you can only claim depreciation to that threshold whereas in a LCT exempt car you can then claim depreciation to the value of the car.

I am referring to people that get paid car allowance rather than company / business type scenarios

For example I travel all over Melbourne & to some regional areas and get a car allowance rather the company car (unfortunately)

[DiscoDB]

For a 4WD wagon to be able to be classed as a commercial vehicle, it needs to meet the “not principally designed for carrying passengers” test.

The following ruling explains why 4WD wagons generally don’t meet this criteria even if it is a 5 seater and the payload is more than 680kg (i.e. more than double 5x68kg).

https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/document'docid=TXD/TD9419/NAT/ATO/00001

[Homestar]

Thanks for all the input - a V6 Ranger Sport AWD has been approved. I’m pretty sure it will be an upgrade from the Hilux - date unknown for when it will be ordered and then turn up - I’d image some time for the latter.

I think I can even swing a silver one rather than white. [emoji16]

[scarry]

I think I can even swing a silver one rather than white. [emoji16]

We had a couple of silver work vehicles,never again.

The scratches seem to stick out like dogs nuts,white seems to hide them and they often polish out.

Anyway each to their own.

[chuck]

Homestar

The Sport V6 diesel is what i test drove at Essendon Ford - they have a silver XLT in stock if you want to check the colour out.

[DiscoMick]

Many of the tradies around here seem to be ditching utes and buying vans from Ford, Renault, VW etc.
I guess they can load them up with lots of tools and gear and then lock the doors and it is all safe inside.

[Geedublya]

Thanks for all the input - a V6 Ranger Sport AWD has been approved. I’m pretty sure it will be an upgrade from the Hilux - date unknown for when it will be ordered and then turn up - I’d image some time for the latter.

I think I can even swing a silver one rather than white. [emoji16]

I drove a 2.0 Wildtrack today and was pleasantly suprised how nice it was, very quiet, smooth and comfortable. I've driven the Mazda/Isuzu and the tech is very intrusive with lots of alarms and the lane keep assist is downright scary, the Ford and Toyota are much better, I don't think I could live with the Mazda/Isuzu.
The Ford interior is at another level compared to the Toyota but as I can't get a V6 it will be a difficult choice.

[Homestar]

Many of the tradies around here seem to be ditching utes and buying vans from Ford, Renault, VW etc.
I guess they can load them up with lots of tools and gear and then lock the doors and it is all safe inside.

I need a back seat for the dogs. :) Won't be a tradie vehicle - it basically is a commuter - no sign writing or anything, just my work car to and from with the occasional extension lead or something in the back - would have preferred a wagon but it will save the company dollars to be commercial.

[chuck]

Yes i looked to see if the back seat lifted up so the Newfy can fit in.

The storage boxes don't have lids but you can buy lockable that create a flat space where the bins are.

[simonmelb]

Yep, except for maybe brickies and farmers, utes are not practical for so many use cases. Don’t know why anyone buys them!


Many of the tradies around here seem to be ditching utes and buying vans from Ford, Renault, VW etc.
I guess they can load them up with lots of tools and gear and then lock the doors and it is all safe inside.

[trout1105]

Yep, except for maybe brickies and farmers, utes are not practical for so many use cases. Don’t know why anyone buys them!

Recreational 4WD buyers tend to get twin or single cab utes because they at far more adaptable for their needs and when not 4WDing they can chuck their rubbish in the back to take to the tip[thumbsupbig]
However sparkies, plumbers and mechanics are better off getting a van so that their tools and hardware are secure from theft and kept out of the elements.[thumbsupbig]
.

[chuck]

I think one of the reasons they are so popular is most twin cabs don't attract Luxury Car Tax.

For example the New Everest Platinum is approximately $10k more expensive than the Wildtrack Ranger - $6k of that will be LCT.

What also skews it is the accessories - pretty easy to spend $12k on accessories at ARB which would attract another $4K LCT if included in the sale.

A lot of people like to include in the sale because of warranty & finance.

Plus for families if you put on a canopy you will fir more gear than in a wagon.

[trout1105]

Canopies are the bees knees But they can be pretty expensive.
I have a full canopy on my 79 series and it it FAR more useful than my D2a wagon ever was.
I can put heaps of gear in the canopy and have easy access to ALL of it and I don't really care it it gets a bit grubby because I can hose it out at the end of a trip, This was definitely not the case with the D2a or any of the other 4WD wagons I have owned.

[scarry]

Many of the tradies around here seem to be ditching utes and buying vans from Ford, Renault, VW etc.
I guess they can load them up with lots of tools and gear and then lock the doors and it is all safe inside.

Vans are so much better and more convenient than utes for our trade,there is just NO comparison.
The only reason many use utes is so the kids can fit in,space cabs,dual cabs or whatever.

The space or extra cab is better as the tray can be longer,but the days of putting baby seats in them will be over once the new Ranger appears.
All the other brands have already stopped putting in the seat harness points,and they are not available aftermarket for any,except the 79.

Vans for some reason also seem to be rediculously reliable,more so than the utes,but that could also come down to the brand.
They also have a lot more sheetmetal to scratch and dent,than the utes,which is a nuisance,and dont have the towing capacity.

[3toes]

In the UK a van can be had with 5 seats and a safety barrier behind them as one configuration option so can carry a work team or family on weekend

Vans are popular as transport with bike riders and cyclists as can lock them away and carry maintenance repair equipment using the can as a workshop space

[scarry]

In the UK a van can be had with 5 seats and a safety barrier behind them as one configuration option so can carry a work team or family on weekend

Vans are popular as transport with bike riders and cyclists as can lock them away and carry maintenance repair equipment using the can as a workshop space

Yes but with 5 seats,as we can get here,they have less room behind the seats than a ute.And are very expensive.
Unless you go for one of the larger vans,some are huge,but parking in some carparks is often impossible due to their height.

So for us they are out.

Ford Transit have a few models,but we find the Jap vans by far the most reliable,and suit our needs perfectly.

[Geedublya]

Yes but with 5 seats,as we can get here,they have less room behind the seats than a ute.And are very expensive.
Unless you go for one of the larger vans,some are huge,but parking in some carparks is often impossible due to their height.

So for us they are out.

Ford Transit have a few models,but we find the Jap vans by far the most reliable,and suit our needs perfectly.

The vans can be more reliable because they are a lot simpler, mostly they are just used for commercial purposes and don't need the niceties. The Hiace has always been low powered with robust running gear.
The older Hilux was similar but now the utes have been moved upmarket they have a lot more features and more power and have lost some of the reliability.

[Tombie]

Recreational 4WD buyers tend to get twin or single cab utes because they at far more adaptable for their needs and when not 4WDing they can chuck their rubbish in the back to take to the tip[thumbsupbig]
However sparkies, plumbers and mechanics are better off getting a van so that their tools and hardware are secure from theft and kept out of the elements.[thumbsupbig]
.

Most tradies here have moved to trailers.
Can use vehicle outside of work and secure trailer in garage when not in use.

[scarry]

Most tradies here have moved to trailers.
Can use vehicle outside of work and secure trailer in garage when not in use.

Ahhh,the fun of parking a trailer in the city….[bigsad]

[scarry]

The vans can be more reliable because they are a lot simpler, mostly they are just used for commercial purposes and don't need the niceties. The Hiace has always been low powered with robust running gear.
The older Hilux was similar but now the utes have been moved upmarket they have a lot more features and more power and have lost some of the reliability.

The latest Hi Ace has just as many features,and power up close to a 2WD Ute,so far,as reliable as the older 200 model.

In fact it probably has more power than the common commercial 2.2L Ranger,which we have as well.
The Ranger actually spends all day reving it’s arse off,which won’t be much help for engine longevity one would think.
And doesn’t use any less fuel than the loaf of bread shaped new Hi Ace,carting the same sort of weight around.

[350RRC]

The latest Hi Ace has just as many features,and power up close to a 2WD Ute,so far,as reliable as the older 200 model.

In fact it probably has more power than the common commercial 2.2L Ranger,which we have as well.
The Ranger actually spends all day reving it’s arse off,which won’t be much help for engine longevity one would think.
And doesn’t use any less fuel than the loaf of bread shaped new Hi Ace,carting the same sort of weight around.

I drove one of those rangers for a couple of weeks earlier this year and I concur......... plenty of revs and used plenty of fuel.

Glad it wasn't mine and glad that the fuel bill wasn't mine as well.

DL

[DieselDan]

The 2.2L is the same Puma engine that's in the last of the 'old' Defenders.

I get about 10L/100km in my Defender and about 8L/100km when I had a Ranger 6spd auto with the same engine.

So either you guys are lead footed, or I'm a bit 'driving miss daisy'.

Unless you're actually talking about the 2.0L Bi-turbo?

[350RRC]

The 2.2L is the same Puma engine that's in the last of the 'old' Defenders.

I get about 10L/100km in my Defender and about 8L/100km when I had a Ranger 6spd auto with the same engine.

So either you guys are lead footed, or I'm a bit 'driving miss daisy'.

Unless you're actually talking about the 2.0L Bi-turbo?

The one I drove had 18k kms on it and was the 'current' model in March. Corporate work truck. Probably new at the start of 2022............ the company do heaps of kms at that time of the year, I'm just a fill in, get things back on track person.

Don't know if it was the 2.0 or 2.2. Had a noisy 6 speed auto and the magic speed sign thing on the dash under the speedo.

cheers, DL

[DiscoMick]

I notice Mercedes Sprinter vans can be had with AWD and low range, which could be a useful combination.
There are some in Van Life blogs on YouTube which are impressive, including one with a suspension upgrade with 50mm lift and BFG AT tyres.
Clearance could be an issue and I'm not sure how they.might cope with really bad roads.
Saw one which a couple tried to drive up The Cape, but had to turn around because the corrugations were breaking things, but that can happen in a 4WD.
Some of these vans are really long. One turned up here recently delivering chook feed and it was so long it took several goes to turn around in our driveway.
The interiors in some of the vans people are living in are amazing. One couple spent $60k on their interior. It's a tiny home on wheels.

[DieselDan]

The one I drove had 18k kms on it and was the 'current' model in March. Corporate work truck. Probably new at the start of 2022............ the company do heaps of kms at that time of the year, I'm just a fill in, get things back on track person.

Don't know if it was the 2.0 or 2.2. Had a noisy 6 speed auto and the magic speed sign thing on the dash under the speedo.

cheers, DL6speed auto will be the 2.2 Puma I reckon.

The one I had was a dual cab with a pick up bed. The cab chassis ones have lower ratio (higher numerical number) rear diff, I think, which would make it rev high.
And, save for the odd load of firewood, mine was mostly empty, so probably not a typical example....!

[Tombie]

The 2.2L is the same Puma engine that's in the last of the 'old' Defenders.

I get about 10L/100km in my Defender and about 8L/100km when I had a Ranger 6spd auto with the same engine.

So either you guys are lead footed, or I'm a bit 'driving miss daisy'.

Unless you're actually talking about the 2.0L Bi-turbo?

We have a 2.2 Defender - it flies!

I have used one of works Auto 2.2 Rangers - couldn’t pull skin off a custard - total pile of junk

[scarry]

I have used one of works Auto 2.2 Rangers - couldn’t pull skin off a custard - total pile of junk

Yep,and ours is loaded,all day,every day,no wonder the driver is complaining!

The old Diesel van pulled better,but not as comfortable.I must admit,the loaded ute is very comfortable.

Ford didn’t have the option of the larger diesel engine,in 2WD,which is the only reason we went to the 2.2.

We also have the BT50 with the 3.2L,which is much better.

[DieselDan]

Ha yeah, I certainly think the 2.2 Puma has a much better tune in the Defender than in the 2wd Rangers.
And the BAS tunes are even better but I've only got the BAS 150 tune, not the 180. One day though, maybe I'll splash out on the BAS intercooler and the 180 tune.

The 2.2 Rangers used to have about 3 different performance tunes, but since they introduced the 2.0L Bi-turbo I reckon the higher performance ones must have been dropped.

[350RRC]

Ha yeah, I certainly think the 2.2 Puma has a much better tune in the Defender than in the 2wd Rangers.
And the BAS tunes are even better but I've only got the BAS 150 tune, not the 180. One day though, maybe I'll splash out on the BAS intercooler and the 180 tune.

The 2.2 Rangers used to have about 3 different performance tunes, but since they introduced the 2.0L Bi-turbo I reckon the higher performance ones must have been dropped.

The ranger I drove was 4wd and had a bit of gear in the back..........maybe 500kg. Boat that was sometimes towed was small, maybe 600kg to 800 including trailer.

Point I've been trying to make is that the ****ant donk (2.0 or 2.2) revs its guts out and drinks fuel with a load on.

In comparison........... in my mate's Isuzu 3.0 you wouldn't really notice you had a load on and were towing a trailer and boat............doesn't need to rev its guts out and it uses less fuel. He certainly doesn't regret selling his rok for this very reason.

The 3.0 motor in the new ranger would be different I suspect, but I've never driven one.

DL

[loanrangie]

The V6 diesels have permanent four wheel drive plus transfer case plus locking rear diff.

Ducking for cover I believe it went a well as a 3.0 litre diesel D4As it should being lighter.

[scarry]

I saw a new model Ranger today.

If one can get past the horrid American styled front end,with a bar or something,it might be a big seller[biggrin]

It makes the current model Low Lux front end look great.

Anyway,just my 2 cents worth.

[BMKal]

I saw a new model Ranger today.

If one can get past the horrid American styled front end,with a bar or something,it might be a big seller[biggrin]

It makes the current model Low Lux front end look great.

Anyway,just my 2 cents worth.

Yep - there's a couple of them getting around Kalgoorlie already. I saw one yesterday, and agree with you on the look of the front end. Let's hope the VW version looks a bit better than that.

[Homestar]

Ok, so work may have softened a bit hopefully and I may be able to get a vehicle other than a commercially registered one now - still to be determined 100% but let’s assume for now that’s the case.

Back to my original points any suggestions given it can be anything.

Up to $80K
COMFY
Diesel
Can tow 2 tonne with ease (1700kg caravan)
Not a VW

[chuck]

Ok, so work may have softened a bit hopefully and I may be able to get a vehicle other than a commercially registered one now - still to be determined 100% but let’s assume for now that’s the case.

Back to my original points any suggestions given it can be anything.

Up to $80K
COMFY
Diesel
Can tow 2 tonne with ease (1700kg caravan)
Not a VW

Izuzu MUX top of range - will be under budget
Ford Everest Sport

[Tote]

A mate just went for a new Ranger Sport, essentially a Wildtrack without the contrast stitching and the sliding tonneau and sports bar on the tub. Came in under $80K and he's looking at an April delivery.

Regards,
Tote

[Homestar]

I’m not convinced that Ford have sorted the 10 speed yet so a bit gun shy on the Ranger or Everest to be honest.

I will be checking out the Mux though. [emoji106]

[grey_ghost]

Guy at work bought one - from what I have seen, it would be on my radar.

[V8Ian]

If I were looking, Mitsubishi would be high on my list, if only for the ten year warranty.

[ozscott]

Yep in all honesty the leader of reliability in the dual cab market at the moment and since about 2015 with the MQ, is the Triton. If you are not towing 3000kg day in and day out nor wanting a long alloy canopy with a lot of weight a long way back (owing to axle placement) they are a gem. The top of their line will still put about 20k from your budget back in your pocket. Test drive a top spec model. The manuals have a known issue popping out of third gear. Asin 6 speed auto is very well tuned to the motor and bullet proof. Apart from one intercooler hose (cold side) prone to fail (for which there are an abundance of extremely durable aftermarket replacements with a 10 min fitment time) they are excellent in my view.

Cheers

[Homestar]

Yep in all honesty the leader of reliability in the dual cab market at the moment and since about 2015 with the MQ, is the Triton. If you are not towing 3000kg day in and day out nor wanting a long alloy canopy with a lot of weight a long way back (owing to axle placement) they are a gem. The top of their line will still put about 20k from your budget back in your pocket. Test drive a top spec model. The manuals have a known issue popping out of third gear. Asin 6 speed auto is very well tuned to the motor and bullet proof. Apart from one intercooler hose (cold side) prone to fail (for which there are an abundance of extremely durable aftermarket replacements with a 10 min fitment time) they are excellent in my view.

Cheers

I’ve been following your thread closely on the Triton - my Neighbour also has one and loves it and has towed a 2 tonne van around Australia in the last year. If I can get out of the commercial rego bit I really don’t want to end up in another dual cab though - I’ve been driving them for 10 years and I’m a bit over them is all. I’d like a wagon of some description with coils all around - I know - I’m getting soft - I’ll admit that but as I get older I really want to move away from them if I can help it but if I’m forced back into another one I’ll defiantly check one out. [emoji106]

[ozscott]

I’ve been following your thread closely on the Triton - my Neighbour also has one and loves it and has towed a 2 tonne van around Australia in the last year. If I can get out of the commercial rego bit I really don’t want to end up in another dual cab though - I’ve been driving them for 10 years and I’m a bit over them is all. I’d like a wagon of some description with coils all around - I know - I’m getting soft - I’ll admit that but as I get older I really want to move away from them if I can help it but if I’m forced back into another one I’ll defiantly check one out. [emoji106]Fair enough too mate. The Pajero Sport and MUX would both be worth a drive. Some recent Isuzu had turbo issues and firewall/subframe crack issues I have read but not sure if sorted in very latest version. Cheers

Ps. Not sure if Iszui Dmax and MUX have upgraded to heated driver's seats...last time I looked the new Dmax didn't. For me, especially getting back to the boatramp from a night out in an open side console tinnie the heated seat is not negotiable. [emoji1787][emoji106]

[gromit]

When I get my replacement MUX I'll pop over.
Only mid-range 2WD though.

The first one was written off in November and I'm about a month away from getting a replacement.
I didn't get the 4WD as I already have 4WD's, mainly wanted the tow capacity and room in the second row.

Looked at the Pajero Sport but lower tow capacity and seemed narrow compared to the MUX. Plus those tail lights........

Colin

[Tins]

Plus those tail lights........

Colin

There's one around here with the sticker saying "I don't like the tail lights either" in the back window.

[ozscott]

[emoji1787]. The second attempt at the rear end was better but still not good. Having said that there are angles of the new Defender that only its mum could love. Cheers

[RobMichelle]

I have a 2021 Pajero Sport and ya can’t see the tail lights from the driver seat [emoji106]

[V8Ian]

I have a 2021 Pajero Sport and ya can’t see the tail lights from the driver seat [emoji106]
Do you want a recommendation for a good rheumatologist? [tonguewink]

[BradC]

[emoji1787]. The second attempt at the rear end was better but still not good. Having said that there are angles of the new Defender that only its mum could love.

Still prettier than the Ducati 749/999. Never send a South African to do an Italians job.

The new Defer is growing on me, although I still think it's the spiritual successor to the D4 rather than the Defender.

[scarry]

The new Defer is growing on me, although I still think it's the spiritual successor to the D4 rather than the Defender.

I think the 110 looks great,there are some very nice colours around as well.

The 90 not so much,and that silly lunch box on any of them looks horrid.

[RANDLOVER]

I have a 2021 Pajero Sport and ya can’t see the tail lights from the driver seat [emoji106]

Which is a perfect reason to buy one, like the famous quote about the Eiffel tower, by William Morris.

[Saitch]

I didn't get the 4WD as I already have 4WD's, mainly wanted the tow capacity and room in the second row.

....

Colin

A brother-in-law has an older, 2wd Territory and a few times he has bemoaned the lack of another diff, when towing their 'van. Wet or even dewy grass has been a problem, even in 'van parks.

He reckons that, if he had the choice over, he would go awd.

[RANDLOVER]

A brother-in-law has an older, 2wd Territory and a few times he has bemoaned the lack of another diff, when towing their 'van. Wet or even dewy grass has been a problem, even in 'van parks.

He reckons that, if he had the choice over, he would go awd.

Dewy grass is one of the reasons I own a 4wd, as I once battled and failed to get a 2wd ute up a berm on a golf course.

[gromit]

A brother-in-law has an older, 2wd Territory and a few times he has bemoaned the lack of another diff, when towing their 'van. Wet or even dewy grass has been a problem, even in 'van parks.

He reckons that, if he had the choice over, he would go awd.

Only towing a car trailer occasionally.
2WD Terri did OK and the higher capacity of the MUX means I can tow 'legally' now.

Couldn't justify $7K extra for something I won't use. Might increase the resale price but I typically keep for 10 years.


Colin

[d2dave]

I have a 2021 Pajero Sport and ya can’t see the tail lights from the driver seat [emoji106]

My son once said to me "after parking your car, as you walk away from it, if you don't turn around and have a look at it to admire it then get rid of it"

Advice I liked and adhere to.

[ozscott]

My son once said to me "after parking your car, as you walk away from it, if you don't turn around and have a look at it to admire it then get rid of it"

Advice I liked and adhere to.Mate that would work for the Paj Sport reversed parked against a wall. Cheers

[Tombie]

My son once said to me "after parking your car, as you walk away from it, if you don't turn around and have a look at it to admire it then get rid of it"

Advice I liked and adhere to.

I share that thought. Although a mechanic mate here is the absolute opposite - to him it’s a tool. He will fix your pride and toy however he never has any personal attachment to anything he drives.

I don’t mind the Paj Sport. The tail lights stand out in a sea of same.

[Tins]

Good thing I like shoeboxes
183816

[Tins]

I do love these. Never tire of looking at them.

I 183817

[Saitch]

I love my Landies, but my 93 'tilly is up there.

183819

Oops. We are digressing.

[Tins]

Oops. We are digressing.

Sigh. Not again 😡

[ozscott]

Sigh. Not again [emoji35]Mate we are never all going to stay on the topic. Just too much fun freestyling. Cheers

[Tins]

Mate we are never all going to stay on the topic. Just too much fun freestyling. Cheers

Always been the way I've seen it. I've been around here for maybe thirteen years and I still laugh when I see people thinking they " own " a thread simply because they started it.

You were asked on another thread "why are you still here?" I for one am glad that you are. Place can get a bit stuffy if everyone is in an echo chamber.

[Homestar]

Off topic is my favourite topic! [emoji16]

[Tins]

Off topic is my favourite topic! [emoji16]

And possibly my favourite thread!

Threads that go off topic - here and other forums. (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/222093-threads-go-off-topic-here-other-forums.html)

[Homestar]

Ok, so things have progressed a bit - Bean counters have kyboshed a wagon again due to FBT so ****ty ride will continue but there's flexibility around that.

Just went and test drove a Dmax given the Mux is out. Got to say I wasn't expecting great things but apart from a couple of minor gripes I was actually pleasantly surprised. I have driven the new Ranger too - ok but that's off the list for reasons previously described. I've also driven the latest Hilux - it's pretty much the same as the old one with a few minor facelift details so nothing new to learn about them.

So for those looking my take on it is as follows. This is compared to the Hilux as it's what I have and am familiar with. Some of the below is being picky but sometimes it's the small things that can be deal breakers.

Pros
More power and more nimble
Tighter and lighter steering
Better turning circle (very noticeable)
Better looking (IMO)
Seat comfort - more adjustments and overall more comfortable

About the same
Driving position
Visibility
Braking

Cons
Engine isn't as refined and there is more vibration noticeable
More beeps and bings - which I HATE!!! Thankfully the most annoying one can be turned off permanently.
The noise the indicator makes is annoying and doesn't mute after a delay which the Hilux does
Drivers window only is auto
Nowhere to mount a phone - rep said you don't need that as it has apple play but I'm not convinced.
1 less cup holder although the main one is in the same location as the Hilux which I like

So, just waiting on a final written quote for 2 of these and fixed price servicing and they may get an order. Convinced the Boss that Silver is the way to go rather than white as well so all going well I should be in the seat of one of these by the end of the year.

23MY Silver Dmax X Terrain - back tray sliding cover thingy will go and an ARB Premium central locking canopy will go on.

Still a few hurdles to get over so let's hope I don't trip over at the last one... [biggrin]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=184129&d=1677548480

184129

[scarry]

Hmm,Silver?

We always get white for the work vehicles,or whatever the colour is,vanilla for the Tojo's.

Anyway,decided to get silver for one about 3 yrs ago,never again,it shows every scratch,and as you probably know,vehicles used for work get scratched regularly,that is just a given.

Anyway,good luck with your purchase[smilebigeye]

[gromit]

Ok, so things have progressed a bit - Bean counters have kyboshed a wagon again due to FBT so ****ty ride will continue but there's flexibility around that.

Just went and test drove a Dmax given the Mux is out. Got to say I wasn't expecting great things but apart from a couple of minor gripes I was actually pleasantly surprised. I have driven the new Ranger too - ok but that's off the list for reasons previously described. I've also driven the latest Hilux - it's pretty much the same as the old one with a few minor facelift details so nothing new to learn about them.

So for those looking my take on it is as follows. This is compared to the Hilux as it's what I have and am familiar with. Some of the below is being picky but sometimes it's the small things that can be deal breakers.

Pros
More power and more nimble
Tighter and lighter steering
Better turning circle (very noticeable)
Better looking (IMO)
Seat comfort - more adjustments and overall more comfortable

About the same
Driving position
Visibility
Braking

Cons
Engine isn't as refined and there is more vibration noticeable
More beeps and bings - which I HATE!!! Thankfully the most annoying one can be turned off permanently.
The noise the indicator makes is annoying and doesn't mute after a delay which the Hilux does
Drivers window only is auto
Nowhere to mount a phone - rep said you don't need that as it has apple play but I'm not convinced.
1 less cup holder although the main one is in the same location as the Hilux which I like

So, just waiting on a final written quote for 2 of these and fixed price servicing and they may get an order. Convinced the Boss that Silver is the way to go rather than white as well so all going well I should be in the seat of one of these by the end of the year.

23MY Silver Dmax X Terrain - back tray sliding cover thingy will go and an ARB Premium central locking canopy will go on.

Still a few hurdles to get over so let's hope I don't trip over at the last one... [biggrin]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/general-chat/184129d1677548480-school-me-commercial-vehicles-dmax.jpg

184129

From my brief MUX experience....

Lane guidance can be turned off with the press of a button but you have to do it every time you start the car.
Auto braking you have to go through a menu so takes a while, again you have to do this every time you start the car.

The auto braking kicked in a few times, usually when someone in front is turning off and you are approaching them knowing that they will be gone by the time you get there.
I've also gone to pull out of a junction as a car/truck is passing, knowing that they will be gone by the time it overcomes the usual lag, and it kills the power.

Very 'truck like' compared to the previous diesel Territory's.

Android Auto worked OK, didn't quite get the hang of it before the car was written off !

Mine is due soon and it's silver !

Colin

[Tins]

If you have an iPhone it won't be long before you are wondering how you got along without CarPlay.

[Homestar]

Hmm,Silver?

We always get white for the work vehicles,or whatever the colour is,vanilla for the Tojo's.

Anyway,decided to get silver for one about 3 yrs ago,never again,it shows every scratch,and as you probably know,vehicles used for work get scratched regularly,that is just a given.

Anyway,good luck with your purchase[smilebigeye]

The Boss loves Silver - apart from the Techs vehicles everything is Silver and it's his money, so Silver it is. [biggrin]

[Homestar]

If you have an iPhone it won't be long before you are wondering how you got along without CarPlay.

I have an Iphone and SWMBO car has Carplay but I can't watch Youtube through it for some reason... [bigwhistle] (Before the killjoys start that last comment was in jest)

[Homestar]

From my brief MUX experience....

Lane guidance can be turned off with the press of a button but you have to do it every time you start the car.
Auto braking you have to go through a menu so takes a while, again you have to do this every time you start the car.

The auto braking kicked in a few times, usually when someone in front is turning off and you are approaching them knowing that they will be gone by the time you get there.
I've also gone to pull out of a junction as a car/truck is passing, knowing that they will be gone by the time it overcomes the usual lag, and it kills the power.

Very 'truck like' compared to the previous diesel Territory's.

Android Auto worked OK, didn't quite get the hang of it before the car was written off !

Mine is due soon and it's silver !

Colin

The speed alarm was the one that ****ed me off the most but I tested it and the settings stay when the car is switched off and back on again. The lane guidance didn't other me and actually did its thing while I was dicking around with the buttons so I know that works... [bigwhistle] I didn't encounter the auto braking so will see what that's like but I know on the Rav 4 we soon turned it off as it is pretty bad - it liked slamming the brakes on driving through the Estate we live in on quite a few shallow sweeping bends thinking we're about to drive into a parked car.

[Tins]

(Before the killjoys start that last comment was in jest)

You think that will stop 'em? (also in jest)

[RANDLOVER]

I have an Iphone and SWMBO car has Carplay but I can't watch Youtube through it for some reason... [bigwhistle] (Before the killjoys start that last comment was in jest)

On the way to work I don't bother with youtube, as I'm too busy reading my paper while trying not to spill my cornflakes. [biggrin]

Seriously though my mate has a Colorado (Holden version of Mux), and he says the engine is loud and prefers driving his old petrol Holden ute.

[Homestar]

On the way to work I don't bother with youtube, as I'm too busy reading my paper while trying not to spill my cornflakes. [biggrin]

Seriously though my mate has a Colorado (Holden version of Mux), and he says the engine is loud and prefers driving his old petrol Holden ute.

It is definitely a less refined engine than the Toyota or Ford offering that’s for sure but in cab noise is similar to both - I think it’s just something you get used to and put up with when you drive a diesel dual cab. I did have an SV6 Holden ute as a company car for a short time - I sure did love driving that over any dual cab…

[Tins]

I did have an SV6 Holden ute as a company car for a short time - I sure did love driving that over any dual cab…

The Aussie offerings were pretty good really.

[scarry]

Seriously though my mate has a Colorado (Holden version of Mux), and he says the engine is loud and prefers driving his old petrol Holden ute.

Recently,one of my brothers went from an 18yr old petrol Prado to a new MUX.

He hated the MUX ,noise was the main issue,and a small fuel tank.In the NT a large fuel tank is very handy.

I don't know why he bought the MUX,maybe the salesman was good at his job.

Anyway,back in a new Prado,and he is happy.

[Homestar]

He did well getting 18 years out of a Prado without breaking the chassis. I've seen so many at around 10 to 12 years crack in the front behind the engine mounts it's not funny. Yota even have a factory fix for it if you love your car that much you'll pay half the price of a new one for the repair. [biggrin]

[Tins]

He did well getting 18 years out of a Prado without breaking the chassis. I've seen so many at around 10 to 12 years crack in the front behind the engine mounts it's not funny. Yota even have a factory fix for it if you love your car that much you'll pay half the price of a new one for the repair. [biggrin]

Bet you don't see much about that on the "It's Unbreakable" 'yota forums.

Actually, my step daughter has one of the things. Wonder if she knows.

[scarry]

He did well getting 18 years out of a Prado without breaking the chassis. I've seen so many at around 10 to 12 years crack in the front behind the engine mounts it's not funny. Yota even have a factory fix for it if you love your car that much you'll pay half the price of a new one for the repair. [biggrin]

That Brother would be flat out changing a wheel and the vehicle was serviced at the dealer.

So until the front fell completely off,nothing would probably be noticed....:Rolling:

It certainly did more than it's fair share of miles on dirt roads,and had huge mileage on it when it was sold.

They were pretty reliable if serviced properly.If not coolant often appeared where it wasn't suppose to be.[bigsad][biggrin]

[Tombie]

On the way to work I don't bother with youtube, as I'm too busy reading my paper while trying not to spill my cornflakes. [biggrin]

Seriously though my mate has a Colorado (Holden version of Mux), and he says the engine is loud and prefers driving his old petrol Holden ute.

Colli and Mux are different beasts now. Engines etc aren’t shared anymore.

[Tombie]

One thing on the Mux - design fail.

Try lowering sun visor! It covers the mirror

[gromit]

One thing on the Mux - design fail.

Try lowering sun visor! It covers the mirror

I found it 'clipped' the rear view mirror rather than covered it.

Colin

[Homestar]

Well it's finally a done deal. Papers signed off and now the wait begins. I think the Rep will sleep well tonight - I put him through his paces for the last week and secured a pretty good deal and is fixed price - they wanted us to sign paperwork allowing them to put the prices up if their costs went up 'That's standard for all OEM's now' he smoothly pointed out - that took some doing but I bought 2 of them and there's 6 techs Hiluxs that will need replacing at some stage so I think the lure of that made them bend in the end - it was a hard no until I gave them a hard no and I was back at the Yota dealership when they called saying they may be able to help us... Always be prepared to walk away... [thumbsupbig]

I told them that very much depends on them not ****ing this order up and what I think of the car after 6 months of driving it, so there's plenty that could still make this a one off purchase but I'm mostly happy - getting out of a dual cab would have been ideal but after 12 years of driving Hiluxs I can try something different that had more features than just pedals and a steering wheel like the Yota does... [biggrin]

Appreciate everyone's input as always - happy for this thread to go back to an Isuzu and Yota slanging thread now. [bigwhistle]

[3toes]

You have done well to have them agree a fixed price. Here in the UK prices have gone up as the supply demand equation has flipped due to lack of supply. Last 10 years massive over supply with manufacturers fighting for all sales. UK was only part of ‘Europe’ who were buying so they all wanted some of the sales pie to keep the factories going.

Manufacturers subsidies had reached 20 to 30% are now gone. Seen a small van monthly payment go up by £100 per month as a result. Add to that long lead times and they are no longer guaranteeing prices to the dealers. So you do not know what the price or payment will be until vehicle reaches the dealer in a few months time.

What you can guarantee is that once you have ordered it will not go down. No fun for the customer or the dealer. How do you sell something when you do not know what the price is going to be?

[Tins]

I'm still not clear on what it is you actually chose...[bigwhistle]

[ozscott]

I'm still not clear on what it is you actually chose...[bigwhistle]Dmax I reckon Tins. Cheers

[Tins]

Dmax I reckon Tins. Cheers

I "reckon" too, but he's always a little cryptic. [bighmmm]

[chuck]

I'm still not clear on what it is you actually chose...[bigwhistle]

That makes two of us - lol

[Homestar]

Keep up you two - a couple of pages back is a pic of the X terrain Dmax - that’s identical to what I’m getting. [emoji16][emoji106]

[DoubleChevron]

That makes two of us - lol

DId you miss it .... He got himself a brand new V8 range rover sport with all the fruit. [bigrolf] [thumbsupbig] [bigwhistle]

[scarry]

DId you miss it .... He got himself a brand new V8 range rover sport with all the fruit. [bigrolf] [thumbsupbig] [bigwhistle]

That will be a huge long wait,a mate just cancelled an order as there are more delays on their way.
And more costs and less fruit[bigsad]

FWIW,the next model,just around the corner is EV only[bigsad]

[RANDLOVER]

The latest to enter the fray in Aus.......F150 Pre-Order - Q Ford (https://www.qford.com.au/new-f-150/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuZrn-unl_QIVq41mAh3n7Q8IEAEYASAAEgJ4-PD_BwE) priced from $120 000 from what I can tell.

[3toes]

In the late eighties a customer was always complaining about how long the dealer required to have their F150 when in for a service. Turned out it was because it was a bit unusual and the workshop manager was using it it as a training exercise with the mechanics

[Tins]

The latest to enter the fray in Aus.......F150 Pre-Order - Q Ford (https://www.qford.com.au/new-f-150/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuZrn-unl_QIVq41mAh3n7Q8IEAEYASAAEgJ4-PD_BwE) priced from $120 000 from what I can tell.

The automotive equivalent of turning on ALL your lights at home on Earth Day.

[Homestar]

Update - The Dmax arrived a few weeks ago and Ive got a couple thousand KM on it now including a couple of 4 plus hour drives. Got to say it’s a **** load more comfortable overall than the Hilux - ride is similar to most dual cabs but the seats are miles ahead (heated too. [emoji4][emoji106]) and in cab noise levels are better.

Had an ARB Accent canopy fitted and I’ve put a nudge bar and driving lights on it which is sort of a necessary as the high beams are garbage.

Overall a decent car and will do what it needs to for me and also should be noted it was over $6K cheaper than an SR5 Hilux

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[Tins]

Update - The Dmax arrived a few weeks ago and Ive got a couple thousand KM on it now including a couple of 4 plus hour drives. Got to say it’s a **** load more comfortable overall than the Hilux - ride is similar to most dual cabs but the seats are miles ahead (heated too. [emoji4][emoji106]) and in cab noise levels are better.

Had an ARB Accent canopy fitted and I’ve put a nudge bar and driving lights on it which is sort of a necessary as the high beams are garbage.

Overall a decent car and will do what it needs to for me and also should be noted it was over $6K cheaper than an SR5 Hilux

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How do you find the mirrors? They are big enough for sure, but I hate convex mirrors on the driver's side, and even at 185 cm I sit low enough that they form a huge blind spot.

[Homestar]

How do you find the mirrors? They are big enough for sure, but I hate convex mirrors on the driver's side, and even at 185 cm I sit low enough that they form a huge blind spot.

I don’t find an issue with them - they are almost identical to the Hilux I think. No blind spot at all that I’ve found - by the time I can’t see a car in the mirror I can see it next to me - both sides. I’ve turned the stupid blind spot detection off as I don’t see why it’s needed and find it a distraction.