The front Puma axle saga continues.

[spudfan]

This is the latest on this on Defender2 and I think it is most disturbing. This post here says a lot about Land Rover and customer safety/care . I have a Defender 2.4 with the single seam weld so I am in the "should be concerned" category. Land Rover did fit the magic brackets to my axle that is supposed to some how negate this issue. We all know what a puncture is like when you are driving but I dread to think what it would be like if the weld on the axle decided to give up. Somehow I do not think the magic brackets would do much to mitigate things if you are driving at 60mph.
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* UPDATE*
Well its been a 6 months battle, I wish i had sum positive news but sadly not the case. The more i have dug deeper the more disturbing it get. So here is the current breakdown :
1, Insurance company has inspected the vehicle twice with 2 different engineers both reports come back catastrophic failure of the axle caused by incorrect welding, dirty weld practice and poor quality metal. The axle was x-rayed and was showing to have cracks all over the casing, This was also pointed out that the casing molding was not up to vehicle spec for the weight and the vehicle being a 4x4. The report says the casing levels was less than legally needed for a small trailer.
2. After a long fight with Landrover and a few emails to the CEO i got two landrover engineers sent from the UK to France to carry out a inspection. Both L/R engineers agreed with the Insurance engineers. But what i find out next is the disturbing point !!!!
3, Following quoted from one engineer !! The axles were made in India by the order of TATA due to a parts plant there needing more work or it would be closed down. If it was closed down TATA would have to pay to much money to the Indian government due to past cash injections in to the plant.
The axles went for friction welding to mig welding to reduce cost. Anyway after 6 months of the new axles coming form India Landrover were fully aware that their was a serious problem. Their was also two new defender at landrover offroad experience that had snapped axles with under 2000 miles on the vehicle.
Landrover then checked futher and found that they had a very big problem. The following re-call was made as we are all aware but !!!!!! these are the scary bits
1, Only 110 -130 were recalled even when the 90 was fitted with the same axle ( Their view the 90 was less weight so it could hold better )
2, Only 100 vehicles were re-called per 1000 produced ( that's 900 vehicles still with faulty axles per 1000 driving around ) This was to save cost as to replace all axles as advised by the DVSA safety branch was to costly plus the modification to all vehicles was also to costly.
3, Landrover after the re-call informed DVSA and other market vehicle safety dept EU etc that all vehicles had been modify or had replacement axles. ( They lied to the governments )

So me I am no further forward Landrover offered me the cost of my vehicle direct transfer to my bank if i sign a non disclosure agreement and say nothing to anyone !! Landrover are trying to brush this under the carpet. Plus a further person in the UK which as had the same in the past months has also been offered this by them. We have both declined as its extremely worrying and dirty business practices.

The lawyer will deal with it and the press now.

But on another point that was found out by the investigation !! We all underseal are vehicles and my vehicle was undersealed. It was found that the underseal stops the showing of cracks and due to its rubber feel it had also stopped any pre leak from the axle. ( So be very aware what is happening under the underseal on these welds as it may look ok but the crasks are hidden.

Sorry for the long post but that is were we are currently, I feel every owner has a right to know. Plus there as been in the last 3 years 34 accidents across Europe due to this axle problem. They are now starting to re-exam accident reports with defender crashing on motorways etc.
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DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - Puma 2012 Front Axle (https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic55655-60.html)

[spudfan]

Re the above,
This is in complete contrast to Mercedes over here. I don't know the exact model but whichever model it is has a bad disintegrating rear sub frame. This is due to cheap steel bought from FIAT who initially bought it in bulk from RUSSIA. Mercedes are fitting complete new rear subframes to models even 10 years old once the car is presented to a main dealer for inspection. No main dealer service history needed. That is the way to do things. I hope Land Rover are told to get this sorted, the correct way. Owing to the small number of vehicles involved they should be more than capable of doing this.
Surely they realise once the name "DEFENDER" becomes tarnished with this issue it will be associated with the NEW DEFENDER too even though it does not have live beam axles. Such will be the public perception. This might be the only way they will take this matter seriously.

[Slunnie]

The roads in Ireland are good compared to Australian ones too. Whats the fix for you? A Td5 type Defender front axle?

[spudfan]

Don't know. I do not know what causes the failure to kick in. Wondering if there will be any more action by Land Rover.

[Robmacca]

Is there any reports of this happening to Defenders here in Australia??

I haven't heard of any and most 2.4 Tdci's would by now have a fair few kms on them so if this was a issue here in Australia, I would have thought it would have raised its head by now...

thoughts... ?

[spudfan]

Like I said earlier I have a vehicle with the built in potentially self destructing front axle but I do not dwell on it. There are other hazards on the road that I have to contend with. It is when I see posts like the above that it resurfaces in my brain but what really annoys me is Land Rover's attitude. Defects will happen, that is the way of the world but it is how you deal with them that counts.
Some people have had trouble with the Puma intermediate shaft which can be serious too but I have not. There are the Discovery engines that are disintegrating so other people have things to worry about too. I could also be driving a "normal car" with the potential of dying of boredom. I was out in my Puma with the potentially self destructing axle earlier today and I am going back out in it now. It is parked on concrete so I check for leaks every so often. My series 111 is parked on concrete too and there are some leaks from that but it is not from a potentially self disintegrating front axle. Hopefully things will be O.K. when I am out in the Puma but even with a 100% perfect vehicle that is no guarantee of safety. A case in point being earlier today while driving the Puma in a nearby town. I happened to notice a girl walking in a summer top with the most amazing "suspension kit" and well if I'd lost control of the Puma it would have nothing to do with a self destructing front axle. I only wish Land Rover had a better attitude to the issue. Now where are those keys?

[DiscoMick]

Do we know if this only affected 2012 Defenders or were other years also affected? Was it only 6 months of dodgy axles?
Mine is a 2009.

[spudfan]

It seems to be a short window where things got shoddy. I'd say 2009 should be fine, If you look at your axle if it has a double weld seem i.e. two parallel welds about 3 cm apart you are fine. There is a lot of info in the Defender2 link if you go through it.

[gromit]

It seems to be a short window where things got shoddy. I'd say 2009 should be fine, If you look at your axle if it has a double weld seem i.e. two parallel welds about 3 cm apart you are fine. There is a lot of info in the Defender2 link if you go through it.

Do you mean 3mm apart ?
Originally friction welded where one part is rotated and pushed against the other, metal gets red hot and spews out. The rotation is then stopped and pressure held till it cools a bit. You end up with two ridges of material that have been forced out.

Rotary Friction Direct Drive Welder for Tube Axle Housings - Model 60T - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_kD3giEiec)

Colin

[spudfan]

Yes that is the accurate way of putting it. Still my 2011 has one of the non correct welds and it is still going.

[DiscoMick]

Thanks for that advice.

[DazzaTD5]

*I've only seen the effected VIN with the brackets already fitted.
*Have your seen the bracket? it would likely take the full weight of the vehicle if needed, they are substantial to say the least.
*If brackets are fitted, if it did crack, you are likely to see oil leaking before anything else.

*The Land Rover brand name has been **** for many a decade, to believe JLR are going to jump all over this to save their brands reputation is laughable.
*They have done the "fix" as in the brackets, that's as far as they will ever go.

*The poor build quality on Land Rovers from what I have seen continues...

*New Defender, fitting the rear recovery loops, removing the 4 mounting bolts, threads already rusty.
*New model Range Rover Sport (3.0lt V6 diesel) removing bolts on engine bay cross braces and the nutserts on the suspension towers that the bolts screw into fell out. This has happened on every one of these models when I've done the rear timing belt.

[spudfan]

I had the brackets fitted to the 2011 Puma. I assume all suspect vehicles would have at least have had the brackets fitted. If you want a photograph of the brackets as fitted, I'll put one up. (Actually I'll get the technical department i.e. the wife, to do it)

[spudfan]

Well they are issuing a recall in Australia regarding the front axle
Land Rover Defender recalled | CarExpert (https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/land-rover-defender-recalled)
I presume they will fit the brackets rather than change the axle.

[Larry]

Well they are issuing a recall in Australia regarding the front axle
Land Rover Defender recalled | CarExpert (https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/land-rover-defender-recalled)
I presume they will fit the brackets rather than change the axle.

Thanks for the link (list). My 90 is on the list so we'll see what the rectification is.[bighmmm]

[Lagerfan]

Thanks for sharing. We're not on the recall list (but very close date & VIN wise) have just had a good look and definitely looks like a single seam weld, should I be worried?

[filcar]

Well they are issuing a recall in Australia regarding the front axle
Land Rover Defender recalled | CarExpert (https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/land-rover-defender-recalled)
I presume they will fit the brackets rather than change the axle.

My vehicle is on the list, but Topix advises no outstanding campaigns, I would have thought Topix would have the recall listed for affected vehicles?

[rgty_kmj]

This should have been picked up in 2015 and fixed under warranty. See attached a snip from TOPiX in November 2015 for my vehicle which had the brackets installed shortly after.
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[rgty_kmj]

Pictures attached180581180582

Kerry

[DiscoMick]

Appears it does not affect my 2009, but I'll crawl underneath tomorrow for a look, just to be sure.
It's good they are actually acting.

[Slunnie]

Pictures attached180581180582

Kerry

Might be a good part for those who have Defenders that get worked hard.

[spudfan]

This is the latest on this from Defender2.
"Hi everyone,
This is a quick update for you all.
My legal team have started the legal process towards JLR regarding this safety fault. The following is what as happened over the last few weeks. You can draw your own answers from this but its extremely disturbing.
1. I was offer 2 offers of money to shut up and sign a disclosure agreement on this subject i have refused both.(By Landrover)
2. Landrover are refusing to give under a court order the landrover engineer report on the axle. ( I have also been told that they will destroy the report and be fined by the court so it does not get out in the public knowledge )
3.The faulty axle was also fitted to 90 & 130 Confirmed.
4. The recall was not carried out correctly by the law, DVSA & EU was lied to by Landrover as they stated that all axles had been removed from service.( which is incorrect)
5. I've also been threatened by their executive team take the money and shut up or get nothing!!!!!

This is a dangerous company. There is also the possibility that a couple of accidents that caused death could have been caused by this fault. ( this is currently being investigated with the information available.

Sorry for the down post but you have a right to know"

[spudfan]

Not the same but I wonder if we will ever see something loke this, but the American legal system is different.
MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/toyota-initial-settlement-over-defective-fuel-pumps-reaches-150m/ar-AA11FcbH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=29f6a998343648dba58ba144486ebc2c#image=AA11F7 g3|2)

[spudfan]

Latest from Defender2
Safety Gate for dangerous non-food products (https://ec.europa.eu/safety-gate-alerts/screen/webReport/alertDetail/10006914?lang=en)

This is the interesting bit "Defective welding involving the vehicle's axle may cause the weld to break which can lead to a loss of mechanical resistance and the axle flange becoming detached, increasing the risk of an accident.
The product does not comply with the Regulation on the approval and market surveillance of motor vehicles and their trailers, and of systems, components and separate technical units intended for such vehicles."
"Measures ordered by economic operators (to: Manufacturer)
Recall of the product from end users
Date of entry into force 25/07/2022"
So the vehicles have to be recalled, obviously the EU were not convinced that the brackets fitted by LR were the solution. Wonder what LR will do with the recalled vehicles?

[spudfan]

There have been more developments. Please see these links on Defender2.
DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - MY2011/2012 Recall Action P047/048 Front Axle Case (https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic33029-210.html)
DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - Puma 2012 Front Axle (https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic55655-165.html)

[DiscoMick]

Pleased to see our Defender is not in the recall range, but if it was I wouldn't be satisfied with the brackets, I would want a replacement casing.

[carpdvl]

Has anyone had any correspondence with JLR Aus on this? I'm in the range on defender2 and have the brackets fitted

Feel like it'll be like pulling teeth to get anything done though

[gromit]

Pleased to see our Defender is not in the recall range, but if it was I wouldn't be satisfied with the brackets, I would want a replacement casing.

Do you really think Land Rover's recall range & the dodgy axles actually correspond ?
Have a look at your axle, it's easy to determine whether they were friction welded or not.

Colin

[sweepy]

My VIN is on the recall list but when I rang JLR they said I was not subject to the recall.

Not sure how this could happen…

[gromit]

My VIN is on the recall list but when I rang JLR they said I was not subject to the recall.

Not sure how this could happen…

Maybe because Land Rover Australia are not owning up to there being a problem ?

The brackets seem to be a cheap fix, looking at the design I wonder if they would stop the weld cracking or just stop a catastrophic failure.




Colin

[gromit]

Has anyone sent information & links to Vehicle Recalls in Australia ?
I'm not sure what they will do but it could be worthwhile making them aware of the situation and that LR locally deny there is a recall.
If a recall is taking place in the EU and not in Australia they might ask LR why this is the case ?

I could do this but it would be better coming from someone with a vehicle that is actually involved.

Contact us | Vehicle Recalls (https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/contact-us#consumers)




Colin

[sweepy]

Is this recall different to the axle / bracket issue?

REC-005494 - JAGUAR LAND ROVER AUSTRALIA PTY LTD - LAND ROVER Defender 90, 110 & 130 2010 - 2012 | Vehicle Recalls (https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005494)

This is the one I was referring to where I’m on the list of VINs subject to recall, but not on JLRs internal list.

[gromit]

Is this recall different to the axle / bracket issue?

REC-005494 - JAGUAR LAND ROVER AUSTRALIA PTY LTD - LAND ROVER Defender 90, 110 & 130 2010 - 2012 | Vehicle Recalls (https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-005494)

This is the one I was referring to where I’m on the list of VINs subject to recall, but not on JLRs internal list.

That would appear to be the same problem.

Maybe take it up with Vehicle Recalls. Let them know that Land Rover don't seem to be honouring the recall.
Problem is that I don't think the dodgy looking bracket 'fixes' the problem, it just stops a catastrophic failure. It might not stop the axle cracking at the weld but stops it progressing and the end of the axle coming adrift. So the axle might crack & drop the oil without you knowing instead....


Colin

[Larry]

That would appear to be the same problem.

Maybe take it up with Vehicle Recalls. Let them know that Land Rover don't seem to be honouring the recall.
Problem is that I don't think the dodgy looking bracket 'fixes' the problem, it just stops a catastrophic failure. It might not stop the axle cracking at the weld but stops it progressing and the end of the axle coming adrift. So the axle might crack & drop the oil without you knowing instead....


Colin

Like Sweepy, my Defender is also on the VIN list, but when I spoke to JLR this morning I also got the 'it's not on our list' so they are not intending to do anything.
I can have it inspected at a dealer (at my cost), but as far as they're concerned, end of story.

As Colin suggested, I have emailed Vehicle Recalls this afternoon & informed them that JLR are not even prepared check if my vehicle is ok or not.

If I get any reply back I'll let you know. :wallbash:

[spudfan]

It has been over a week now since I sent details of the recall together with a copy of the recall order to our minister for transport. As of yet I have not even had an acknowledgement. He is too busy in Egypt at COP27 trying to save the planet to bother to reply.

[spudfan]

Subsequent to the above. I have contacted our "Competition and Consumer Protection Commission" with the details to see if they have any interest in pushing it.

[Larry]

Well the people at vehiclerecalls.gov.au have been very helpful & contacted JLR on my behalf & today have come back with a reply from JLR.


"I was advised from the supplier the below:

This recall hasn’t been launched by the UK yet. And retailers are unable to carry out the recall until it is active.

As soon as we receive notification it is launched and active we will notify the customer directly via email / letter to bring his vehicle into his local retailer for repairs.

You will be contacted as soon they do."


It seem odd that an Australian government department know of what the potential problem is, & has a list of the vehicles that may be affected, but JLR UK hasn't started anything?:Thump:

Am I the only one starting to smell the BS?

[gromit]

Well the people at vehiclerealls.gov.au have been very helpful & contacted JLR on my behalf & today have come back with a reply from JLR.


"I was advised from the supplier the below:

This recall hasn’t been launched by the UK yet. And retailers are unable to carry out the recall until it is active.

As soon as we receive notification it is launched and active we will notify the customer directly via email / letter to bring his vehicle into his local retailer for repairs.

You will be contacted as soon they do."


It seem odd that an Australian government department know of what the potential problem is, & has a list of the vehicles that may be affected, but JLR UK hasn't started anything?:Thump:

Am I the only one starting to smell the BS?


Sounds like the Government Recall Dept has no real power if they are just relaying the BS from JLR.
The recall is on the Government website but not 'active', WTF ???

People have had the dodgy looking bracket installed in the UK (has anyone here had that done ?) so is that the recall or not ? Worthwhile pointing this out to the Dept.

If as many affected people as possible contact the Dept they might eventually get the point......

Best of luck with it !


Colin

[DazzaTD5]

People have had the dodgy looking bracket installed in the UK (has anyone here had that done ?)




Colin

I have had plenty of customer Defenders in with the brackets installed, i cant say i would call them dodgey though, its a very big solid bracket.

[JDNSW]

Yes. From the pictures I have seen, if the bracket is installed in a way that "preloads" it, this would reduce the stress on the weld.

[gromit]

As JDNSW suggested, its only useful if it pre-loads to take the stress off the weld.
Seems that in Europe this may have been deemed not to be an adequate fix !




Colin

[Larry]

Sounds like the Government Recall Dept has no real power if they are just relaying the BS from JLR.
The recall is on the Government website but not 'active', WTF ???

People have had the dodgy looking bracket installed in the UK (has anyone here had that done ?) so is that the recall or not ? Worthwhile pointing this out to the Dept.

If as many affected people as possible contact the Dept they might eventually get the point......

Best of luck with it !


Colin
I again contacted Vehiclerecalls & asked how is it that they have the details of what the problem is & a list of potentially affected vehicles without JLR having an 'active' campaign?

Their reply was: "Because the supplier must notify the Department within 2 days of taking voluntary recall action if the vehicle or component was supplied in Australia."
The notice from Vehiclerecalls is dated 22nd August 2022, so in the 12 weeks since, JLR hasn't even contacted owners, let alone inspected or done any type of rectification. Mustn't consider it a serious problem.[bighmmm]

[gromit]

I again contacted Vehiclerecalls & asked how is it that they have the details of what the problem is & a list of potentially affected vehicles without JLR having an 'active' campaign?

Their reply was: "Because the supplier must notify the Department within 2 days of taking voluntary recall action if the vehicle or component was supplied in Australia."
The notice from Vehiclerecalls is dated 22nd August 2022, so in the 12 weeks since, JLR hasn't even contacted owners, let alone inspected or done any type of rectification. Mustn't consider it a serious problem.[bighmmm]

That doesn't give you any faith in the recall system in Australia !

Does the fact that vehicles are getting the bracket fitted in the UK but it's not actively being carried out in Australia concern the Department ?

I hope you and others concerned get some resolution, ideally a replacement axle with correct welds but I can't see JLR doing that due to the cost.

Just found this on the Defender2 site, it's from an Australian

Thanks pieschipsandpees, I've tried Landrover Australia and got a standard reply because of the technical nature of the query I need to take my car to an authorised mechanic. I've replied my vehicle is with an authorised mechanic and the instruction is not to drive the vehicle. I've questioned if the P048 bracket is a satisfactory solution why is my vehicle now rendered unsafe to drive? No response for several days.

Anyhow, I contacted the regulatory body responsible for safety recalls in Australia and the response has been timely and positive. Fingers crossed I can get the car back on the road asap and all associated vehicles get an adequate solution. Realistically the only safe solution is to replace all the Axel casins in the production period.

Another one from Australia

The axel casing on my 2011 defender has cracked through the sub-standard weld. It started with a weep some time ago. A few weeks back I noticed the front left wheel was leaning in. I had a quick look and couldn't see anything obvious. Then I noticed the steering wheel was off centre so on further inspection I saw the Axel flange was resting on the "SAFETY BRACKET" and the weld had opened up. The car was still driving relatively well. Had I not noticed the wheel leaning I'd still be driving it.

At the moment in Australia the recent recall only covers selected vehicles and mine isn't included. My local garage(who has always been very good) contacted landrover and landrover have offered to cover/discount about 1/3rd of the repair. I'm not satisfied with that. I have contacted landrover in Australia and will see what progresses. It's very disappointing the way this is being handled.

Something funny going on.....

Colin

[Larry]

That doesn't give you any faith in the recall system in Australia !
................................................. Something funny going on.....

Colin

That sums it up really.[bigsad]

[DazzaTD5]

Vehicle recalls in Australia in the most part are voluntary.

its all under the Dept. of infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development, Communications and the Arts ...
**** me it looks like all the left over **** in one **** sandwich, hell I'm sure there is room for a few more things.

This whole thread really if it wasnt potentially dangerous is laughable to believe a **** corporation like Jaguar Land Rover or any Gov. Dept. is going to do anything more than the absolute minimum.
Just keep doing what you are doing, post it on social media, tell everyone you know and the most important thing is to not buy another **** Land Rover product and make sure your relatives and everyone you know doesnt buy a **** Land Rover product. The newer models havent got any better with build quality, its still ****.

the end point is, more fool you if you buy a Land Rover.

and just to add to that, more fool you if you end up buying a new Toyota because they seem to be on that down hill slide towards Land Rover **** build quality.

[spudfan]

Update. I finally got a reply from the Minister for Transport who informs me that someone else is responsible for safety issues and included links. So I checked these links. The only issue being pursued by Land Rover are the following.
Jaguar Land Rover Ireland Limited recalls certain Land Rover Defender, Discovery, Discovery Sport, Range Rover Sport and Range Rover Velar vehicles
31 August 2022

Jaguar Land Rover Ireland Limited is carrying out a voluntary recall of certain Land Rover Defender, Discovery, Discovery Sport, Range Rover Sport and Range Rover Velar vehicles.

The issue has been identified whereby a manufacturing defect identified on certain front seat belt pretensioners that had caused damage to the pretensioner tubes during assembly. This could result in a reduced level or complete loss of pretensioning in the event of an accident and increase the risk of occupant injury.

There are 79 vehicles affected in the Republic of Ireland that were produced between 5 January 2022 to 24 May 2022.
and
aguar Land Rover Ireland Limited recalls certain Land Rover Discovery passenger vehicles
24 March, 2022

Jaguar Land Rover Ireland Limited is carrying out a voluntary recall of certain Land Rover Discovery passenger vehicles.

The issue has been identified whereby on affected vehicles, due to a manufacturing issue, the fuel feed hose assembly may have been incorrectly routed and as a result could split. This may lead to a fuel leak into the engine bay. A fuel leak in the engine bay compartment may result in an engine bay fire. A vehicle fire could increase the risk of injury or death to vehicle occupants, other road users or bystanders.

There are 72 vehicles affected in the Republic of Ireland that were produced between 2018 - 2019.
Which means that they still do not regard the axle issue as a safety concern.
Automotive Market Surveillance Authority (AMSA) (https://www.rsa.ie/services/vehicle-owners/automotive-market-surveillance-authority-(amsa))
I have contacted the RSA about the alert for the axle.

[travelrover]

Our 90 is on the list (August 2012) but have heard nothing from JLR since they request confirmation of our ownership as they still had the original purchasers details when I registered per the recall instructions. That was back on 30/08, radio silence since then.

[spudfan]

I have been in contact with another party affected by this and Land Rover are digging in. By the time we are finished with this up hill battle we will be able to climb Everest!

[spudfan]

Update 2/12/2022
I have been in contact with a number of bodies over here who deal with safety issues etc. I got a reply from one of them today who contacted Land Rover Ireland on my behalf. Land Rover Ireland have stated that my vehicle is not effected by the recall despite the fact that it was recalled to have the safety brackets fitted!
I just checked the calender to make sure this is not April 1st. To be continued....

[spudfan]

This appeared on Defender2 today

"Well at last I have a reply from my local main dealer....

It's not good, in fact it's the last straw for me.
Apparently, the brackets cannot be fitted due to the fact that the vehicle has a replacement, non-standard chassis. Also it has been Poly-bushed. Neither Land Rover or the dealership have any further responsibility in regard to the N706 recall.

Thus they decline to do any work on the vehicle.
Where this leaves me is in an impossible position: The recall still shows outstanding at JLR & DVSA.
In the event of an accident the insurers would use this as a complete get-out. I cannot remove the recall from either of the databases, even if there is a work-around.

The only reason the 110 has a newly fitted Marsland chassis is because the original LR 'kit-Kat wrapper' chassis rotted through at 30,000 miles.
So, here I am , an OAP living totally 'out-in-the sticks', totally reliant on this vehicle (& trailer), as this is the only way that anything larger than a weekly shopping load can be got here!

All sensible & reasonably priced solutions welcome. For now the vehicle is grounded.
Surely I cannot be the only person on this forum with an N706 recall and a vehicle with a replacement chassis?"
DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - MY2011/2012 Recall Action P047/048 Front Axle Case (https://www.defender2.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1015236#1015236)

[Larry]

I again contacted Vehiclerecalls & asked how is it that they have the details of what the problem is & a list of potentially affected vehicles without JLR having an 'active' campaign?

Their reply was: "Because the supplier must notify the Department within 2 days of taking voluntary recall action if the vehicle or component was supplied in Australia."
The notice from Vehiclerecalls is dated 22nd August 2022, so in the 12 weeks since, JLR hasn't even contacted owners, let alone inspected or done any type of rectification. Mustn't consider it a serious problem.[bighmmm]

It's only take JLR 13 months to pull their finger out & go from telling me there is no issue to "URGENT SAFETY RECALL" which arrived yesterday in the mail. It will be interesting to see if they have the bracket already in stock, or I have to wait for someone else to get their act together.
I will update when I contact a dealer on Tuesday.:bangin:

[Larry]

The 90 is going to the dealer in a couple of weeks, giving them time to acquire the brackets.

[Larry]

The dealer fitted the 'catch' brackets to both ends of the front axle yesterday.
Apparently I can now drive confidently that nothing bad will happen. [bighmmm] if only it was that simple.:Thump:

[oldyella 76]

Ckickie they did my 2012 about 7 or 8 years ago.
Lindsay.

[travelrover]

Ckickie they did my 2012 about 7 or 8 years ago.
Lindsay.

Still waiting for my 2012 to be done.

[Larry]

Still waiting for my 2012 to be done.

Have they sent you the recall notification?

[travelrover]

Have they sent you the recall notification?

No they haven’t. I approached them in August 22 when the recall was first announced and after some farting about (I had to prove I was the legal owner as they only recognized the original purchaser) they confirmed that the vehicle was indeed in the recall. Subsequent enquires via email I get this standard reply

“Jaguar Land Rover Australia, in due course, will send formal communication to our customers with affected vehicles once the recall campaign is launched, confirming any action which needs to be taken.”

And that’s it! Pretty poor really but about what I have come to expect from them.

[puma]

I just got my recall notice for our 2012 90.

I would kind of rather do the 'fix' myself as I service everything else on the car. Also annoying it has to be a dealer as my usual garage does a great job (they did my clutch).

Oh well off to the dealer we go.

[spudfan]

Another incident has been reported on Defender2.

[travelrover]

Reminds me I need to chase up LR re our 90 and see if they respond.

[cuppabillytea]

Does any one know which vehicles are affected. This is the first I've heard about this recall. Mine's an October 2013 build.

[cuppabillytea]

Just looked it up. 2010 to 2012. I'm not affected,,,well not by that anyway.

[gromit]

Just looked it up. 2010 to 2012. I'm not affected,,,well not by that anyway.

I wouldn't be relying on 'build dates'.
Have a look at your front axle, it should be very easy to determine if yours is correctly friction welded. I posted a video link in post #9 if you watch this you'll understand the process if you haven't seen it before.

There should be two ridges of metal where material has been forced out just behind the flange on each end of the axle housing. I've attached a photo of a Series I axle.




Colin

[cuppabillytea]

I wouldn't be relying on 'build dates'.
Have a look at your front axle, it should be very easy to determine if yours is correctly friction welded. I posted a video link in post #9 if you watch this you'll understand the process if you haven't seen it before.

There should be two ridges of metal where material has been forced out just behind the flange on each end of the axle housing. I've attached a photo of a Series I axle.




Colin
Thanks Colin I'll have a look.

[DazzaTD5]

Here are two pics...

The one with the single weld highlighted with the paint mark is a MIG weld. (which are the problematic ones)
The other pic with the two welds highlighted with the two paint marks is friction welded, which is how they have done them since the dawn of time.

[cuppabillytea]

It would seem that friction welding ceased to be a thing at LR.

[JDNSW]

Rather, the supply of axle housings was outsourced, if I remember correctly, to India.

Perhaps worth pointing out, that there is no inherent reason why one production method should be stronger/more durable than the other - it is a matter of production QC.

[spudfan]

My 2011 2.4 had the magic brackets fitted during the three year warranty period, I cannot recall exactly when. This makes me wonder, if mine was done that long ago, why are some only being recalled now?

[DazzaTD5]

This makes me wonder, if mine was done that long ago, why are some only being recalled now?

Because like any scumbag Company they only do the absolute minimum to meet any any obligation with regards to liability or gov requirements.

[DazzaTD5]

Rather, the supply of axle housings was outsourced, if I remember correctly, to India.

Perhaps worth pointing out, that there is no inherent reason why one production method should be stronger/more durable than the other - it is a matter of production QC.

I absolutely agree with you John, but lets not fall into the, oh it was outsourced so it's not Land Rovers fault.

Jaguar Land Rover did the outsourcing no doubt to cut costs. Jaguar Land Rover QC always has been and still is verging on averagely poor to terrible.

I would say the only exception to this was 1948 and the years that followed during the production of the Series 1 Land Rover. When there was a purpose and a goal to build a great vehicle.

[JDNSW]

In other words, more or less while Rover was an independent company (up to 1967).

[cuppabillytea]

What gets me is the "fix". Surely if the axel was engineered and or manufactured with integrity, there would be no need for the bracket. Otherwise it would have been there from the outset.
Just looks bodgy to me and adds to the unsprung weight, which can't be a good thing.

[cuppabillytea]

Actually have a good look at the whole thing. There is no gusset where the flange meets the tube either, on the old one there is, so there's another weak spot. Good thing the breaks aren't too flash.

[spudfan]

When the Wilkes brothers were in charge of Rover the engineering side of things was paramount. Sadly things changed when the accountancy department began laying down the law.

[spudfan]

Boeing to JLR. "We are having some issues with some of our planes and we were wondering if you could suggest a quick fix for us?"

[travelrover]

Our 2012 90 is booked in next week to have the ‘fix’ fitted. I have been chasing Land Rover since the recall was first published. Their interest/enthusiasm to help me has been less than encouraging. I had to prove I was the owner, provided my address email and phone number, but was only after I chased them again last week they advised me to book it in for the work to be done which I have.

Then a couple of days after this instruction I received a registered letter stating this is the fourth and final attempt to contact me re recall.

What a coincidence eh? After two years of chasing them this is just crap.

[jwb]

For info: Just acquired a 2011 90 and on checking with Topix the axle brackets campaign was noted as outstanding.
Called my local dealer in Melbourne and they confirmed the issue and booked it in and completed within the same week.
We are the 3rd owner.