Open up your wallets

[oldyella 76]

If you are chasing a landcruiser ute there is a good one going in Bendigo. It is a 2020 model, with 43,000 K's on the clock. Now wait for it, a discount price of $239,000 drive away. Get in quick as it won't last long at this price.

Google Plaza Auto Sales Bendigo.
Lindsay.

[RobMichelle]

Sheez …. Yeh naaah

[BradC]

price of $239,000 drive away. Get in quick as it won't last long at this price.

Dual cab conversion, upgraded GVM, V8 with all the fruit. I reckon they'll get it or close to.
I wouldn't, but there are plenty out there who would.

[AK83]

I think at that price, the original owner, or owner that had the LC200 modded in that manner, would have lost some $s ... for sure.

[RANDLOVER]

Open your wallets....and let the moths escape?

[trout1105]

2020 Toyota Landcruiser VDJ200R LC200 GXL (4X4) Wagon - Plaza Auto Sales (https://plazaautosales.com.au/k002135-1013314-toyota-landcruiser-2020.html)
2022 Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 Auto AWD MY23 (carsales.com.au) (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-land-rover-defender-110-p525-v8-auto-awd-my23/OAG-AD-20753621/?Cr=4)

Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4?
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job?
Which one has a prooven track record for reliability and capabillity?
Which one can you get parts and service ANYWHERE in Australia?

[shack]

2020 Toyota Landcruiser VDJ200R LC200 GXL (4X4) Wagon - Plaza Auto Sales (https://plazaautosales.com.au/k002135-1013314-toyota-landcruiser-2020.html)
2022 Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 Auto AWD MY23 (carsales.com.au) (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-land-rover-defender-110-p525-v8-auto-awd-my23/OAG-AD-20753621/?Cr=4)

Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4?
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job?
Which one has a prooven track record for reliability and capabillity?
Which one can you get parts and service ANYWHERE in Australia?Easy choice for me...

[Max Headroom 2.3m]

2020 Toyota Landcruiser VDJ200R LC200 GXL (4X4) Wagon - Plaza Auto Sales (https://plazaautosales.com.au/k002135-1013314-toyota-landcruiser-2020.html)
2022 Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 Auto AWD MY23 (carsales.com.au) (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-land-rover-defender-110-p525-v8-auto-awd-my23/OAG-AD-20753621/?Cr=4)

Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4?
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job?
Which one has a prooven track record for reliability and capabillity?
Which one can you get parts and service ANYWHERE in Australia?


Easy choice for me...

Me too......but clearly I am not risk averse given the vehicles I drive [tonguewink]

[Tombie]

2020 Toyota Landcruiser VDJ200R LC200 GXL (4X4) Wagon - Plaza Auto Sales (https://plazaautosales.com.au/k002135-1013314-toyota-landcruiser-2020.html)
2022 Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 Auto AWD MY23 (carsales.com.au) (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-land-rover-defender-110-p525-v8-auto-awd-my23/OAG-AD-20753621/?Cr=4)

Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4?
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job?
Which one has a prooven track record for reliability and capabillity?
Which one can you get parts and service ANYWHERE in Australia?

Agree with some of your comments however those vehicles are apples and oranges… a 400 would be a closer comparison and much cheaper.

Track record is slowly being eroded by more recent models by that brand, more and more issues.

As for service, yes many mechanics - many rural who have no idea of the modern vehicles will still “have a go” on a Toyota and stubbornly baulk at touching a Landy.

As for parts - tried getting anything other than filters for a modern Toyota lately? It’s damn hard work!

[scarry]

Track record is slowly being eroded by more recent models by that brand, more and more issues.

But still generally way ahead of the rest,particularly if you look at the % of issues to the number sold.

In Aus they have sold over double any other manufacturer for many years,and market share is continuing to grow,last year was huge for them,this year looks even better,with a bigger market share %.Biggest seller of vehicles for almost 20yrs.

They have also recently taken over as the biggest seller of vehicles in the US.

Ford,as an example of another huge volume seller have had that many recalls and problems in the last few years its rediculous.VW are not far behind either.Some of the issues have been on overseas models.

Anyway,back on topic,a mate just sold a 79,stock standard,over 200 000Km on it,used it for work,so didnt get an easy life,for $35K more than he paid for it new in 2017.
Seems rediculous to me,some buyers must be desparate.
Those things are like a Tractor to drive(Trout may disagree),they need a number of mods to make them reasonably comfortable,and have a turning circle similar to a 110 Defender.[biggrin]

THe chopped LC200 is the better option by a country mile,if you can put up with the extra lenght,they are not much fun parking at the shops.

[V8Ian]

2020 Toyota Landcruiser VDJ200R LC200 GXL (4X4) Wagon - Plaza Auto Sales (https://plazaautosales.com.au/k002135-1013314-toyota-landcruiser-2020.html)
2022 Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 Auto AWD MY23 (carsales.com.au) (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-land-rover-defender-110-p525-v8-auto-awd-my23/OAG-AD-20753621/?Cr=4)

Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4? The Defender.
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job? Without a doubt, the Defender.
Which one has a prooven track record for reliability and capabillity? Depends to whom you are talking and what their conformation bias is.
Which one can you get parts and service ANYWHERE in Australia?Again, depends who you asask and how knowledgeable they are. I've never had a problem sourcing Land Rover parts, generally within twenty-four hours.
It's amazing how when you had your Land Rover, it was the best car, driven by the best driver, serviced and maintained by the best mechanics. Since you relinquished the car, you haven't stopped bagging it.
Q1. A mate has an LC 100 with remarkably similar mods, he'll be the first to admit that the mods have seriously, negatively impacted the off road abilities of the car with the front axle totally unable to carry its share of the GVM upgrade.
Q2. Suited and kitted out are not mutually beneficial. See the above remark re suitability. Without a doubt the Toyota is better kitted out thanks to the aftermarket modifications, but it has converted it to an expensive posemobile, detracting gravely from its off road prowess.
Q3. Again, depends who you ask. Dependability, it's easier to find a barely competent mechanic, familiar with old Tojos, than a switched on tradesman who can service and repair a vehicle upon which he has not been specifically trained. All vehicles can and do break down.
Capability, there has never been any doubt, out of the box, Land Rover's off road abilities are superior to any mainstream 4X4.
Q4. Neither has an advantage over the other, if the owner is "in the know" and has a modicum of common sense.

There has to be a good reason for the original owner to have had a fire sale on a vehicle costing the best part of quarter of a million bucks, that has accumulated less than 17,000km a year.
The rich, bogan mods are great from a posing, show off on the main street, point of view, but have wrecked the off road abilities of a previously capable vehicle.

[trout1105]

It's amazing how when you had your Land Rover, it was the best car, driven by the best driver, serviced and maintained by the best mechanics. Since you relinquished the car, you haven't stopped bagging it.

I DID very much enjoy driving my D2a BUT after spending well over $20K on repairs and maintenance over the 6 odd years that I owned it I decided to cut my losses and part with it.
The D2a was by FAR the Most unreliable 4WD that I have ever owned regardless of its excelent capabillity and comfort.
It WAS maintained by excellent mechanics (Whyatts in Geraldton) who worked on in on countless occasions due to the frequency of the problems that I had with it.

[ozscott]

I DID very much enjoy driving my D2a BUT after spending well over $20K on repairs and maintenance over the 6 odd years that I owned it I decided to cut my losses and part with it.
The D2a was by FAR the Most unreliable 4WD that I have ever owned regardless of its excelent capabillity and comfort.
It WAS maintained by excellent mechanics (Whyatts in Geraldton) who worked on in on countless occasions due to the frequency of the problems that I had with it.Trout it's a 20 year old vehicle with a lot of tech. It's still more advanced in many areas (and therefore likely to have more issues particularly with age) than a 79 series. So sure, most unreliable 4wd you have owned but also the oldest most advanced you have owned. Context is everything matey. Worth keeping in mind in my view.

Cheers

[trout1105]

Trout it's a 20 year old vehicle with a lot of tech. It's still more advanced in many areas (and therefore likely to have more issues particularly with age) than a 79 series. So sure, most unreliable 4wd you have owned but also the oldest most advanced you have owned. Context is everything matey. Worth keeping in mind in my view.

Cheers

My D2a was a good 4WD and it did what I asked of it but the running costs became overwhelming because as you say it was a 20 year old vehicle and it became a matter of When not IF it was going to let me down again.

When we sold the big Jayco van the missus wanted a smaller 4 cyl 4WD which left me with a choice of keeping the 2004 D2a or the 2007 79 Series because keeping both wasn't an option.
The 79 Series uses at least 5l per 100km of fuel Less than the D2a, The only thing that has had to be fixed on the 79 Series was the alternator over the same period that I spent thousands on the D2a and the 79 Series has a massive canopy on it that I can utilise much better than the rear of the D2a.
The 79 Series also has much more "Grunt" than the D2a had also a much higher payload as well.
Both vehicles are good 4WD's but in my opinion the 79 Series is better, stronger and Far more reliable for my needs thats why I chose the 79 Series over the D2a.

I am NOT "Bagging" the D2a, All I am saying is that in MY opinion the 79 Series is a better 4WD for my needs all things considered.

[ozscott]

Good post Trout. Cheers

[scarry]

"Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4? The Defender.
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job? Without a doubt, the Defender."

Sure the Defender is probably kitted up pretty well for towing out of the box.

But when towing the big weights,it is easily overloaded,and has no GVM upgrade available,and there won't ever be one in Aus, due to the current rules.

As a few on here,and other places,have found out, even towing less than 3.5T,they are running right on the limits of the vehicles rear axle.

The 130 is probably worse,due to the lever affect of the longer body and same wheelbase as the 110.

Its all horses for courses,every vehicle is a compromise one way or the other.

Whatever suits one person will not necesssary suit another,if it did it would be a very boring world.[biggrin]

[Tombie]

"But when towing the big weights,it is easily overloaded,and has no GVM upgrade available,and there won't ever be one in Aus, due to the current rules.

As a few on here,and other places,have found out, even towing less than 3.5T,they are running right on the limits of the vehicles rear axle.

GVM upgrades shouldnt be allowed anyway... [thumbsupbig]

Certainly not a fan of them, having seen the "upgrade" fitted to the Toyotas etc...


If a vehicle cant do what is needed weight wise, then the vehicle isnt suitable.


And a modern van shouldnt ever need to be so heavy in the "standard" size ranges... thats part of the industry failing, people being ridiculous with thier desires (although who wants to tow something that heavy with something of such similar or less mass) and pushing out ridiculous van set ups.

[ozscott]

[QUOTE=scarry;3161365]"Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4? The Defender.
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job? Without a doubt, the Defender."

Sure the Defender is probably kitted up pretty well for towing out of the box.

But when towing the big weights,it is easily overloaded,and has no GVM upgrade available,and there won't ever be one in Aus, due to the current rules.

As a few on here,and other places,have found out, even towing less than 3.5T,they are running right on the limits of the vehicles rear axle.

The 130 is probably worse,due to the lever affect of the longer body and same wheelbase as the 110..."

You are talking new Defender right?

Cheers

[scarry]

GVM upgrades shouldnt be allowed anyway... [thumbsupbig]

Certainly not a fan of them, having seen the "upgrade" fitted to the Toyotas etc...


If a vehicle cant do what is needed weight wise, then the vehicle isnt suitable.


And a modern van shouldnt ever need to be so heavy in the "standard" size ranges... thats part of the industry failing, people being ridiculous with thier desires (although who wants to tow something that heavy with something of such similar or less mass) and pushing out ridiculous van set ups.

Not being a fan won't stop people doing it,there are tens of thousands around with upgrades,not just travellers,but also those that need it for work.( I do see your point,though)[smilebigeye]

Very little issues,and the smaller increases,up to say, 500KG are peice of mind for those running close to the limit.If there were heaps of issues i am sure the authorities would be onto it,hopefully.Well,maybe.

A heap of engineering and testing goes into getting them approved.

I agree 100%,some have rediculous desires,but that is the way it is,they will just keep rolling along as long as its legal.

Yes, Ozscott,new Defender was the one we were talking about.

[Max Headroom 2.3m]

GVM upgrades shouldnt be allowed anyway... [thumbsupbig]

Certainly not a fan of them, having seen the "upgrade" fitted to the Toyotas etc...
I am pretty sure the original manufacturers would have been all over it, if it was a good idea. I find the word “upgrade” problematic as it implies improvement. Perhaps “GVM compromise” might be a better reflection but prollly isn’t half as marketable.


If a vehicle cant do what is needed weight wise, then the vehicle isnt suitable.


And a modern van shouldnt ever need to be so heavy in the "standard" size ranges... thats part of the industry failing, people being ridiculous with thier desires (although who wants to tow something that heavy with something of such similar or less mass) and pushing out ridiculous van set ups.
I try to apply the Buddist phylosophy of Sunyata: the less you have the freer you are :soapbox:

[trout1105]

I try to apply the Buddist phylosophy of Sunyata: the less you have the freer you are

That only applies to undies[bigwhistle]

[ramblingboy42]

undies ? what are they? you wanna be free? be a freebagger.

[AK83]

My D2a was a good 4WD and it did what I asked of it but the running costs became overwhelming because as you say it was a 20 year old vehicle and it became a matter of When not IF it was going to let me down again.

When we sold the big Jayco van the missus wanted a smaller 4 cyl 4WD which left me with a choice of keeping the 2004 D2a or the 2007 79 Series because keeping both wasn't an option.
The 79 Series uses at least 5l per 100km of fuel Less than the D2a, The only thing that has had to be fixed on the 79 Series was the alternator over the same period that I spent thousands on the D2a and the 79 Series has a massive canopy on it that I can utilise much better than the rear of the D2a.
.....

Did you upgrade the alternator to a sealed version? If not, expect it WILL fail again very soon.
Had you had a TD5 D2(or defender), I reckon you would have seen another 5l/100 less fuel usage than the 79! [biggrin]

That always surprised me about your situation with the D2a .. why you kept the V8 rather than switch it to a TD5, considering your location and the places you traveled too and driving type you commented about.

[scarry]

I am pretty sure the original manufacturers would have been all over it, if it was a good idea. I find the word “upgrade” problematic as it implies improvement. Perhaps “GVM compromise” might be a better reflection but prollly isn’t half as marketable.:

You are on the money,there are rumours when the 70’s ‘return’,if they ever do,they will be rerated at a higher GVM,but the reason for this is safety regs,so they will be pushed up into another class and won’t have to comply,not much else.

They can’t be ordered ATM.

Anyway,see what happens.

[Homestar]

Would love to see the return of the 70’s - the Decade that is, not the Yota…

[Max Headroom 2.3m]

You are on the money,there are rumours when the 70’s ‘return’,if they ever do,they will be rerated at a higher GVM,but the reason for this is safety regs,so they will be pushed up into another class and won’t have to comply,not much else....

So they will be a truck in every sense of the word.[bighmmm]
I guess it just cuts out the middle man.

[goingbush]

2020 Toyota Landcruiser VDJ200R LC200 GXL (4X4) Wagon - Plaza Auto Sales (https://plazaautosales.com.au/k002135-1013314-toyota-landcruiser-2020.html)
2022 Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 Auto AWD MY23 (carsales.com.au) (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2022-land-rover-defender-110-p525-v8-auto-awd-my23/OAG-AD-20753621/?Cr=4)

Which one would you choose as a tow tug/touring 4x4?
Which one is better suited and kitted up for the job?
Which one has a prooven track record for reliability and capabillity?
Which one can you get parts and service ANYWHERE in Australia?


That $285,000 POS not available, sold ???, stupid people & their money are easily separated.

wait , forgot to check the Toyota, they are both sold , wow !

[scarry]

And another...

2021 Toyota LandCruiser LC200 VX Automatic DUAL CAB UTE | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Brisbane North East - Eagle Farm | 1300581432 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1300581432?utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=ios_VIP&utm_medium=social&utm_source=sms&fbclid=IwAR2retdwuOma3U2jlmhPsUsowlGJW-2CqHj6_GmdeHPSyjXp0-NKrCJtVhk)

[V8Ian]

What was it Daryl used to say?

2000 Land Rover Discovery V8 (4X4) for sale $14,990 | Autotrader (https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/12560709/land-rover/discovery/act/fyshwick/suv)

Oh, that was it "Tell 'im 'e's dreamin'."

[ozscott]

What was it Daryl used to say?

2000 Land Rover Discovery V8 (4X4) for sale $14,990 | Autotrader (https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/12560709/land-rover/discovery/act/fyshwick/suv)

Oh, that was it "Tell 'im 'e's dreamin'."Mmmm Ian. High, but compared to the silly prices for old Defender, still not bad. [emoji1787][emoji106]

[V8Ian]

Quite so, Ozscott.

[ozscott]

Quite so, Ozscott.I see there is one for sale in South Brisbane. Auto V8 7 seater. Just under 90,000klm for $18k cash. Not my favourite colour for them in my eyes - a light green but neat as a pin. Cheers