Another dead engine

[RoundaWhile]

2007 D3 2.7D 203k ks.

Need some advice please.

I know there are several broken motor threads but I am far from home (Brisbane) and have no idea of Sth Aus suppliers.

I left Brisbane 12 days ago on a lap of Oz towing a 3 tonne caravan. I had just left Quorn SA and was heading to Wilpena Pound in the Flinders Ranges when the engine decided that it didn't want to play anymore. I'm with racq so car and van were towed to Hawker about 20ks away. Mechanic agreed that cactus would be the best description as it seems the timing belt has let go.

So I have no real option other than to replace the motor. My thinking at the moment is that perhaps it would be better to get the car to Adelaide to get it fixed there, or the other possibility is get a replacement engine shipped up and replaced by a mechanic here. I have always done my own mechanical work but replacing a D3 engine in a caravan park somehow doesn't seem like a good idea [bigwhistle]

So what I probably should have asked up front is where can I get an engine in SA? Would be just as happy with a Ford Terry motor if that is doable.

With xmas fast approaching it looks like I will be a Sth Aussie person for the next couple of months.

Cheers

[Graeme]

Try TRS in Adelaide.

[101RRS]

So I take it you did not upgrade the oil pump when the cam belt was done some time back - have you confirmed the cam belt tensioner on top of the oil pump failed or was it the belt itself that failed.

In some circumstances the engine can be rebuilt but in some not. I guess you need a fix as soon as possible and yes, as a long engine and some of your ancillaries a Territory engine can be used. TR Spares are in Adelaide a source for parts.

[RoundaWhile]

So I take it you did not upgrade the oil pump when the cam belt was done some time back - have you confirmed the cam belt tensioner on top of the oil pump failed or was it the belt itself that failed.

In some circumstances the engine can be rebuilt but in some not. I guess you need a fix as soon as possible and yes, as a long engine and some of your ancillaries a Territory engine can be used. TR Spares are in Adelaide a source for parts.

It only happened around noon today so the only analysis I have been doing is what colour is the bottom of a beer can [bawl]

Tomorrow I will have a look but I am in a caravan park so I won't be pulling the engine apart to have a look, which is really frustrating.

And thank for your recommendation, I will contact them on Monday

[josh.huber]

It only happened around noon today so the only analysis I have been doing is what colour is the bottom of a beer can [bawl]

Tomorrow I will have a look but I am in a caravan park so I won't be pulling the engine apart to have a look, which is really frustrating.

And thank for your recommendation, I will contact them on Monday

Silver

[RoundaWhile]

I bought the car with 173K on the clock from a car yard. While the rest of the service history was there they hadn't done the 168k service so I said do that service and I will buy it. Which they supposedly did.

After watching LR Time and others recently I was determined to see if the oil pump was was AC or AE. Haha too late. I will tell you when the dead engine is removed. If I knew then what I know now I would have got them to replace the oil pump regardless. the things you learn.......

[RoundaWhile]

Silver

Haha Grey

[josh.huber]

I bought the car with 173K on the clock from a car yard. While the rest of the service history was there they hadn't done the 168k service so I said do that service and I will buy it. Which they supposedly did.

After watching LR Time and others recently I was determined to see if the oil pump was was AC or AE. Haha too late. I will tell you when the dead engine is removed. If I knew then what I know now I would have got them to replace the oil pump regardless. the things you learn.......

Might be with investigating a warranty job with whoever did the work

[DiscoJeffster]

Might be with investigating a warranty job with whoever did the work

Absolutely. Statutory warranty with purchase ( well at least in WA you get one for 3 months). This would absolutely be covered.

[kelvo]

Absolutely. Statutory warranty with purchase ( well at least in WA you get one for 3 months). This would absolutely be covered.
No stat warranty if over 12 years old in WA Used car warranties | Department of Mines, Industry Regulation and Safety (https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumer-protection/used-car-warranties)

[loanrangie]

Run your hand down the right side of the timing cover and feel for a bump or crack, mine was obvious once I felt it.
Luckily I was in my driveway when it went so suffered minimal damage and 23k later still going strong.

[Tins]

Might be with investigating a warranty job with whoever did the work

Hmm.. Correct me if I'm wrong, cos I don't know, but isn't the 168k service the "body off" one? If so, and it wasn't done, and the dealer agreed in the contract to do it, then there may be grounds. Otherwise I'd doubt it.

Certainly worth a follow up though.

[scarry]

No body off doing the belts.

3.0L is more difficult than 2.7L,but still the body does not have to come off.

[Graeme]

Timing belts change doesn't require the body to be removed.

[Tins]

Timing belts change doesn't require the body to be removed.

But the belts would be changed on this service? If so, there should be evidence of them having been done.

[rar110]

I think most states regulatory warranty is for vehicles under 160,000km and 10 yes old.

[Tins]

I think most states regulatory warranty is for vehicles under 160,000km and 10 yes old.

True.

If the belts were done then it's possible a call to the Consumer Affairs Dept in the State of purchase might achieve something, but it's a frustrating process and even if successful would likely only cover the cost of the belt replacement, and not the subsequent damage caused by failure.

If the belts weren't done and it was in the contract that they would be then pursuing the trader for breach might be worthwhile. It probably would be in Vic, dunno about Qld.

Doesn't hurt to try though. Sounds like the OP has some time on his hands.

[shack]

It's unlikely the belt has snapped, how many snapped ones have been reported?

The most common failures would be the oil pump housing - but only after a belt change, and only if the pump wasn't changed, the pump change is not mandatory, and some owners don't want to pay the extra.

Next would be a spun bearing or snapped crank.

If a new pump was requested and not fitted, then the mech would be responsible.

But all this is impossible to diagnose remotely really, with these exceptions..

If the motor still runs but is rattling, spun bearing or snapped crank, if it won't run.. Broken oil pump housing (or snapped belt, but extremely unlikely).

If there were no funny noises and the motor just stopped, HPFP could be the culprit.


And TRS would be open this morning, Saturday morning that is.. unless they've changed opening hrs.

[DiscoDB]

Or could be the tensioner mounting bolt has failed. Have been cases of this bolt snapping off if not renewed when doing the timing belt.

[RoundaWhile]

True.

If the belts were done then it's possible a call to the Consumer Affairs Dept in the State of purchase might achieve something, but it's a frustrating process and even if successful would likely only cover the cost of the belt replacement, and not the subsequent damage caused by failure.

If the belts weren't done and it was in the contract that they would be then pursuing the trader for breach might be worthwhile. It probably would be in Vic, dunno about Qld.

Doesn't hurt to try though. Sounds like the OP has some time on his hands.

Unfortunately I no longer have a copy of the contract to even know if it was in there. Also warranty on a 14 year old car was 1 month or 1000ks, which is all that is required in Qld.

[loanrangie]

Or like mine the tensioner mount broke before the first belt change, I had the new pump ready to fit but missed by about a week.
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[RoundaWhile]

Or like mine the tensioner mount broke before the first belt change, I had the new pump ready to fit but missed by about a week.
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Yeah it is pretty unfair when that happens.

[Tins]

Unfortunately I no longer have a copy of the contract to even know if it was in there. Also warranty on a 14 year old car was 1 month or 1000ks, which is all that is required in Qld.

Darn. I wish you luck with it.

[shack]

Or like mine the tensioner mount broke before the first belt change, I had the new pump ready to fit but missed by about a week.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221203/472280022a9d5e00a8e43da795094546.jpgThat's pretty unusual I have to say, they don't usually break until they've had the bolt undone and done back up with a belt change.

[PerthDisco]

Sounds same scenario as what happened to Outback Discovery some time after the timing belt change without changing the early pump is the primary failure mode. Probably with a good heave on the bolt. The spec of 23nm feels incredibly light. Best wishes for a good outcome.

[RoundaWhile]

After a lot of research this morning the best two options are a new motor from TRS for $9900 or an upgraded (crankshaft, oil pump & belts) low-ks used engine from Aztec in Perth for $6500. TRS are here in Sth Aus so single freight of 370ks. Aztec engine is exchange so two lots of 2500ks freight. Both options would entail getting the local mechanic to install, probably after xmas.

So is it worth the extra roughly $2500 for a new engine?

[Jeffoir]

Hi Roundawhile,
I feel your pain.
I would be replacing with new and I presume a New Engine Warranty.
peace of mind.
it should also be a selling point when you sell.
Best wishes.
jeff

[Graeme]

Note that its really a body off job to R&R the engine and best done by a workshop that has such experience otherwise the time taken can easily become excessive, where hours become days. While the body is off, change any normally hard to access coolant hoses.

[Aussie Jeepster]

So sorry to hear of your issues.
At least Hawker is a nice town, and the Teagues will look after you as much as they can - good country hospitality.
As others have suggested, Triumph Rover Spares in Lonsdale would be the first port of call. Failing them, Sovereign Motors in Kent Town.
There is also PCB Land Rovers but he is so booked up, its very unlikely he could help.
If you go with TRS, there is a caravan park at Brighton, about 10km away, or a big park at Marion maybe 12km away.
We live 10km from TRS, so I do know the geography.
If you want any more help, give me a call - Alan 0407135110

[RoundaWhile]

So sorry to hear of your issues.
At least Hawker is a nice town, and the Teagues will look after you as much as they can - good country hospitality.
As others have suggested, Triumph Rover Spares in Lonsdale would be the first port of call. Failing them, Sovereign Motors in Kent Town.
There is also PCB Land Rovers but he is so booked up, its very unlikely he could help.
If you go with TRS, there is a caravan park at Brighton, about 10km away, or a big park at Marion maybe 12km away.
We live 10km from TRS, so I do know the geography.
If you want any more help, give me a call - Alan 0407135110

Thank you Alan, that is very useful info. Buying the new engine from TRS and getting sovereign to install sounds like a viable option. I will call them on Monday to get a rough price.

[RoundaWhile]

So sorry to hear of your issues.
At least Hawker is a nice town, and the Teagues will look after you as much as they can - good country hospitality.
As others have suggested, Triumph Rover Spares in Lonsdale would be the first port of call. Failing them, Sovereign Motors in Kent Town.
There is also PCB Land Rovers but he is so booked up, its very unlikely he could help.
If you go with TRS, there is a caravan park at Brighton, about 10km away, or a big park at Marion maybe 12km away.
We live 10km from TRS, so I do know the geography.
If you want any more help, give me a call - Alan 0407135110

Sorry I just reread your post, are you saying TRS will install as well?

[Narangga]

So sorry to hear of your issues.
At least Hawker is a nice town, and the Teagues will look after you as much as they can - good country hospitality.
As others have suggested, Triumph Rover Spares in Lonsdale would be the first port of call. Failing them, Sovereign Motors in Kent Town.
There is also PCB Land Rovers but he is so booked up, its very unlikely he could help.
If you go with TRS, there is a caravan park at Brighton, about 10km away, or a big park at Marion maybe 12km away.
We live 10km from TRS, so I do know the geography.
If you want any more help, give me a call - Alan 0407135110


Sorry I just reread your post, are you saying TRS will install as well?

My BIL has a D4 and TRS will no longer service it as they have closed their workshop. I do not know if they replace engines but I doubt it. They will refer you (like they did to my BIL) to another indie a little closer to the city (can't remember where but might be Seacombe Heights).

[Tins]

Sorry I just reread your post, are you saying TRS will install as well?

TRS do most things. Biggest advantage is they know the cars backwards, which IMO is huge. Their engine will have a warranty, and so will their work.

The other issue is of course the time of year.. Can they fit you in?

*** I see from their website that their service department is "permanently closed"***

Doesn't hurt to call them, they would probably recommend a shop to do the fitment.

[loanrangie]

After a lot of research this morning the best two options are a new motor from TRS for $9900 or an upgraded (crankshaft, oil pump & belts) low-ks used engine from Aztec in Perth for $6500. TRS are here in Sth Aus so single freight of 370ks. Aztec engine is exchange so two lots of 2500ks freight. Both options would entail getting the local mechanic to install, probably after xmas.

So is it worth the extra roughly $2500 for a new engine?


I don't see the value in a new motor when you can get a territory motor from $2500 and up, save yourself a fortune for when the trans needs doing which will come soon enough.

[RoundaWhile]

I don't see the value in a new motor when you can get a territory motor from $2500 and up, save yourself a fortune for when the trans needs doing which will come soon enough.

How easy is it to fit the terry motor compared to the original?

[Aussie Jeepster]

Thank you Alan, that is very useful info. Buying the new engine from TRS and getting sovereign to install sounds like a viable option. I will call them on Monday to get a rough price.

Fitting you in will be their only issue! Time of year, and all that.
Good luck.

[RoundaWhile]

Fitting you in will be their only issue! Time of year, and all that.
Good luck.

Yeah I don't expect anyone will be able to fit me in before xmas.

[loanrangie]

How easy is it to fit the terry motor compared to the original?Strip both motors and fit most of the disco parts to the Terri motor, there are a few write ups here about what's involved.

[shack]

As far as I know TRS no longer have a workshop, they are parts only.

If as mentioned above you can find a territory motor for $2500, that would be the obvious choice...I didn't you will though, they'd have to be worth similar to the LR one in price.

Cheers
James

[RoundaWhile]

Strip both motors and fit most of the disco parts to the Terri motor, there are a few write ups here about what's involved.

Unfortunately I am in a little town in a caravan park, I won't be doing anything with the motor. Asking the local mechanic to play mix and match with motors is going to be an expensive exercise I think.

Being a Grey Nomad certainly has its disadvantages.

[RoundaWhile]

As far as I know TRS no longer have a workshop, they are parts only.

If as mentioned above you can find a territory motor for $2500, that would be the obvious choice...I didn't you will though, they'd have to be worth similar to the LR one in price.

Cheers
James

Thanks to this forum I have a reasonable understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of our motor, I know nothing about the territory motor. Are they reliable? What are its weak points? Are they plug and play with our ECUs?

I need to get back on the road, the sooner the better, and I think that going to a territory motor is severely complicating things in my current situation.

As it is I am looking at at least 7 weeks not going anywhere.

[shack]

Thanks to this forum I have a reasonable understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of our motor, I know nothing about the territory motor. Are they reliable? What are its weak points? Are they plug and play with our ECUs?

I need to get back on the road, the sooner the better, and I think that going to a territory motor is severely complicating things in my current situation.

As it is I am looking at at least 7 weeks not going anywhere.The territory motor is the same as the 2.7 land Rover motor, some ancillaries need swapping between the 2, there is a list on this forum somewhere. The territory one however should have the updated oil pump from factory, one thing I don't know is if the EU3 and EU4 2.7 are the same, i.e. Injectors etc, someone on here will know.

It's perfectly doable, in fact the motor in our D3 is a territory one with about 300k km on it now, taking the car to a grand total of 510k km.... We have had a fantastic run TBH.

[NavyDiver]

Thanks to this forum I have a reasonable understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of our motor, I know nothing about the territory motor. Are they reliable? What are its weak points? Are they plug and play with our ECUs?

I need to get back on the road, the sooner the better, and I think that going to a territory motor is severely complicating things in my current situation.

As it is I am looking at at least 7 weeks not going anywhere.

Sorry to hear of your issues. My replacement D3 was no where as nice as my original D3 and has replacement engine in it. The damage to mine still bugs me. It was on my front lawn with an empty trailer[bawl]

Grant Walker Parts ((03) 9762 7233) might be worth a try for an engine IF you can or get some one else to fit it. They refitted mine with out taking the body off. My usual goto place suggested it was to cheap[bighmmm]

[shack]

As it is I am looking at at least 7 weeks not going anywhere.

If I was "stuck" in Hawker for 7 weeks, I'd end up being extremely fat, and extremely poor.

Head over to Flinders food co. and order something from the menu that you've never heard of and enjoy..

Dougal and crew make tremendous meals, as good or better than I've had anywhere.

See, there's always a silver lining... that along with your research into the colour of the bottom of beer cans should go nicely!

[RoundaWhile]

If I was "stuck" in Hawker for 7 weeks, I'd end up being extremely fat, and extremely poor.

Head over to Flinders food co. and order something from the menu that you've never heard of and enjoy..

Dougal and crew make tremendous meals, as good or better than I've had anywhere.

See, there's always a silver lining... that along with your research into the colour of the bottom of beer cans should go nicely!

Haha I'll give it a go [smilebigeye]

[Arapiles]

Apparently the V6 diesel in the new Ford Everest is a later version of the 2.7/3.0 litre diesels in the Discoveries.

[Aussie Jeepster]

If I was "stuck" in Hawker for 7 weeks, I'd end up being extremely fat, and extremely poor.

Head over to Flinders food co. and order something from the menu that you've never heard of and enjoy..

Dougal and crew make tremendous meals, as good or better than I've had anywhere.

See, there's always a silver lining... that along with your research into the colour of the bottom of beer cans should go nicely!

Don't forget the Ghan Restaurant!

[RoundaWhile]

The territory motor is the same as the 2.7 land Rover motor, some ancillaries need swapping between the 2, there is a list on this forum somewhere. The territory one however should have the updated oil pump from factory, one thing I don't know is if the EU3 and EU4 2.7 are the same, i.e. Injectors etc, someone on here will know.

It's perfectly doable, in fact the motor in our D3 is a territory one with about 300k km on it now, taking the car to a grand total of 510k km.... We have had a fantastic run TBH.

I've been on this forum for nearly nine years and I still get frustrated with the search function [bawl]

Can somebody point me to a territory engine swap thread please

[shack]

I've been on this forum for nearly nine years and I still get frustrated with the search function [bawl]

Can somebody point me to a territory engine swap thread pleasehttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/231168-comprehensive-guide.html

[Tins]

Here’s one: Territory TDV6 into Disco (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/240010-territory-tdv6-into-disco-3.html)

[DiscoJeffster]

I've been on this forum for nearly nine years and I still get frustrated with the search function [bawl]

Can somebody point me to a territory engine swap thread please

Go to google

Type in your search brain fart and then append site:aulro.com and it will google search the entire site for you. Simples.

[incisor]

Or use the custom form down the bottom of most pages if using a browser

[Falcon500]

Regarding your queries on using a Territory engine in your D3, it is more straight forward if your D3 is a EU4 emissions level; as you can use the Territory high-pressure fuel system etc. If your D3 is an EU3 then using a Territory motor is still doable but there are more parts that you will need to swap over. For more info on the EU3/EU4 differences have a look at Outback Discovery on YouTube: DISCOVERY 3 ENGINE BUILD PT 3 , Fuel system , intake manifold clean, glow plugs - YouTube (https://youtu.be/KMxbuGI6USI)

In terms of using a Territory engine in your situation (ie. being away from home with limited workshops around) - it should be absolutely no issue if the Workshop is familiar with Land Rovers. Otherwise, it may take them a little longer to work out what needs changing which would probably add to the labour cost.

Once the Territory motor has had the LR ancillaries, wiring harness, etc, put onto it, there is no messing around with ECU etc; as it is the "same" motor, your ECU will not notice the difference :).

I just recently finished installing a Territory motor in my D3 (MY08 EU4), so if you have any questions feel free to let me know, my memory isn't the best but I took a heap of pictures during the work :)

[maxperformance]

I just recently finished installing a Territory motor in my D3 (MY08 EU4), so if you have any questions feel free to let me know, my memory isn't the best but I took a heap of pictures during the work :)

This should be the treasure of the world.
Please get some coffee, relax, remember most of the steps, put all of photos and steps in a writing and share it to the forum and the world. I believe at least 50 years later people still find it and appreciate your work.

[Tins]

This should be the treasure of the world.
Please get some coffee, relax, remember most of the steps, put all of photos and steps in a writing and share it to the forum and the world. I believe at least 50 years later people still find it and appreciate your work.

I second that. In fact, I believe that there should be a section in "The Good Oil" dedicated to the Territory conversions, and Falcon500's would be a good place to start.

This thread's OP would benefit, as would those who have yet to experience the need. D3/4s are filtering down to the cheap seats, and I imagine this conversion will only increase in popularity.

[Falcon500]

This should be the treasure of the world.
Please get some coffee, relax, remember most of the steps, put all of photos and steps in a writing and share it to the forum and the world. I believe at least 50 years later people still find it and appreciate your work.


That is a good idea and the comments from you guys is inspiring :)

I will look into this - I did the work over the course of about a year but most of the engine stuff was done in the last couple of months. I leveraged a lot of info that was on this forum already but a document with everything in one place would be very useful.

[DazzaTD5]

A AULRO member did a whole thread on the Territory engine into a D3 years ago somewhere, very useful, I believe I even chirped in a few comments too.

[RoundaWhile]

So I have made up my mind, based almost exclusively on what I can afford.

I really wanted to send it to Darren at Aztec in Perth as RACQ would subsidise the transport, but unfortunately not enough. With the extra in freight, a flight from Adelaide to Perth, and fuel and accommodation back to Hawker to pick up the van it was blowing my budget big time.

A new motor is out. TRS can no longer source them and GWP want around $15000 for one, plus installation.

So a second hand engine it is, sourced from TRS (they confirmed they no longer have a workshop) and installed by Chris's Mechanicals here in Hawker. If I was doing it myself, back home, with access to tools and a garage I would definitely gone with the Territory engine. However it would have been too costly to get Chris to spend so much time to convert everything over.

So that's where I am. The engine will be shipped up from Adelaide after they put in new timing belts, plus Chris is booked out at the moment so they won't be able to start until the 9th January. So I get to spend the next 6 weeks or so here in Hawker.

Thank you everyone for your contributions and I will keep this updated as things progress.

[loanrangie]

Just make sure they fit the new upgraded oil pump as well otherwise it will be another 6 weeks in a ghost town.

[RoundaWhile]

Just make sure they fit the new upgraded oil pump as well otherwise it will be another 6 weeks in a ghost town.

Yes TRS are supplying the engine with the updated oil pump.

[haydent]

So I get to spend the next 6 weeks or so here in Hawker.

Thank you everyone for your contributions and I will keep this updated as things progress.

well done and good luck, enjoy the enforced lockdown

[RoundaWhile]

So the mechanic is saying he can pull the engine and gearbox together body on quicker than doing a body off.

Is he brilliant or is this not going to be as easy as he thinks?

[DiscoJeffster]

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[ramblingboy42]

ahhh Loanrangie.....better get your SA tourist guide out.....

Hawker is no ghost town , in fact it's a great place to perch and have a look at the surrounding towns around the foothills of the Fantastic Flinders Ranges

Loanrangie said ....otherwise it will be another 6 weeks in a ghost town.

[101RRS]

So the mechanic is saying he can pull the engine and gearbox together body on quicker than doing a body off.

Is he brilliant or is this not going to be as easy as he thinks?

The engine can be changed with body on but is a labourious process - with the correct high lift it will probably be quicker and easier to lift the body and gain easy access - it is designed for that.

[RoundaWhile]

ahhh Loanrangie.....better get your SA tourist guide out.....

Hawker is no ghost town , in fact it's a great place to perch and have a look at the surrounding towns around the foothills of the Fantastic Flinders Ranges

Loanrangie said ....otherwise it will be another 6 weeks in a ghost town.

If I had a vehicle to see the surrounds it would be alright, don't fancy walking though [bigrolf]

[RoundaWhile]

The engine can be changed with body on but is a labourious process - with the correct high lift it will probably be quicker and easier to lift the body and gain easy access - it is designed for that.

The labourious part body on mainly is separating the engine from the gearbox. If you don't have to take off the crossover pipe or worry about the transmission loom by doing them together then maybe it wouldn't be too bad?

[loanrangie]

ahhh Loanrangie.....better get your SA tourist guide out.....

Hawker is no ghost town , in fact it's a great place to perch and have a look at the surrounding towns around the foothills of the Fantastic Flinders Ranges

Loanrangie said ....otherwise it will be another 6 weeks in a ghost town.I know been there numerous times, a little tongue in cheek but still 6 weeks is a long time especially when the heat kicks in.

[NavyDiver]

After a lot of research this morning the best two options are a new motor from TRS for $9900 or an upgraded (crankshaft, oil pump & belts) low-ks used engine from Aztec in Perth for $6500. TRS are here in Sth Aus so single freight of 370ks. Aztec engine is exchange so two lots of 2500ks freight. Both options would entail getting the local mechanic to install, probably after xmas.

So is it worth the extra roughly $2500 for a new engine?

Do we know a truck in WA[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

[NavyDiver]

So the mechanic is saying he can pull the engine and gearbox together body on quicker than doing a body off.

Is he brilliant or is this not going to be as easy as he thinks?

GW parts did it for me. I guess its a bit tricky to learn how to - clearly possible and done

[loanrangie]

The labourious part body on mainly is separating the engine from the gearbox. If you don't have to take off the crossover pipe or worry about the transmission loom by doing them together then maybe it wouldn't be too bad?Not sure if it's doable on a D3 but I use to remove the engine mounts on my rangies for easier access to the top bell housing bolts.

[RoundaWhile]

OK I have answered my own question.

Tdv6 engine removal body on | Page 3 | LandyZone - Land Rover Forum (https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/tdv6-engine-removal-body-on.376843/page-3?_params=Array)

So for people that don't have a hoist this would seem like a possible option.

[loanrangie]

OK I have answered my own question.

Tdv6 engine removal body on | Page 3 | LandyZone - Land Rover Forum (https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/tdv6-engine-removal-body-on.376843/page-3?_params=Array)

So for people that don't have a hoist this would seem like a possible option.Yes, been done plenty of times before.

[DazzaTD5]

So the mechanic is saying he can pull the engine and gearbox together body on quicker than doing a body off.

Is he brilliant or is this not going to be as easy as he thinks?

maybe he is that good... his workshop, his choice.
my guess is he has done heaps and really is that good (and likes the hassle of doing body on) or ... he has never done one.
while yes doable... my question is why... so easy and simple body off.

Either way, for the sake of yet another Discovery 3 or 4 owner stuck with a failed engine that its a hassle free job for you.

my suggestion is stay out of his way, dont tell him how to do his job. The end result may well be cheaper.

[RoundaWhile]

maybe he is that good... his workshop, his choice.
my guess is he has done heaps and really is that good (and likes the hassle of doing body on) or ... he has never done one.
while yes doable... my question is why... so easy and simple body off.

Either way, for the sake of yet another Discovery 3 or 4 owner stuck with a failed engine that its a hassle free job for you.

my suggestion is stay out of his way, dont tell him how to do his job. The end result may well be cheaper.

Wise words and yes that is what I will be doing.

[loanrangie]

I have to ask, what is the rest of family (i assume your not solo) doing in the mean time ?

[RoundaWhile]

I have to ask, what is the rest of family (i assume your not solo) doing in the mean time ?

I'm actually by myself unfortunately.

[loanrangie]

I'm actually by myself unfortunately.A blessing I think.

[Tins]

A blessing I think.

Has its pros and cons. I've been on my own for five years now. You get used to it, but some company can be nice.

I'll be travelling alone in the OKA if I ever go.

[Narangga]

maybe he is that good... his workshop, his choice.
my guess is he has done heaps and really is that good (and likes the hassle of doing body on) or ... he has never done one.
while yes doable... my question is why... so easy and simple body off.

Either way, for the sake of yet another Discovery 3 or 4 owner stuck with a failed engine that its a hassle free job for you.

my suggestion is stay out of his way, dont tell him how to do his job. The end result may well be cheaper.

You'd like me as a customer. My mother's mantra was 'What the eye doesn't see, the heart won't grieve'. [smilebigeye]

[haydent]

The fact you can get more common 'affordable' replacement engines for d3 in form of territory gives it great appeal and longevity.

[Tins]

I recall a certain person, owner of a LR shop I won't name, attempting to install a Peugeot PSA engine in one. Dunno how he got on in the end. I guess Territory engines were harder to come by back then[bigrolf]

[loanrangie]

I recall a certain person, owner of a LR shop I won't name, attempting to install a Peugeot PSA engine in one. Dunno how he got on in the end. I guess Territory engines were harder to come by back then[bigrolf]

Not far since the poojo engine is designed for FWD with a completely different bellhousing pattern.

[Tins]

Not far since the poojo engine is designed for FWD with a completely different bellhousing pattern.

I suppose that would put it in line with the rest of his work.

[Gravy]

Just listed on Facebook is a LR3 for 13.5K, engine has been replaced with one that has purportedly only done 47K. Maybe this is another option for a dead motor if you have the perseverance and facilities to part out the parts of the vehicle that are unused doing an engine swap.

[PerthDisco]

A good body off engine swap video

Land Rover Discovery 4 3.0 Engine swap - YouTube (https://youtu.be/3NEkIdUg4mw)

[Jeffoir]

A good body off engine swap video

Land Rover Discovery 4 3.0 Engine swap - YouTube (https://youtu.be/3NEkIdUg4mw)

This video is very good. For your helpful mechanic in Hawker, I suggest that he views at the video. It will just save SO much valuable time with the engine extraction and refit.
Once the bumpers etc are removed, there are just 10 bolts holding the body to the chassis. You can see that the mechanic in the video, "About the Build" is removing a few of the bolts at 2min10sec.
Thank you for the updates. Your commitment is FIRST CLASS. It will be worth it.
Very best wishes to you on this mission.
Jeff

[PerthDisco]

This video is very good. For your helpful mechanic in Hawker, I suggest that he views at the video. It will just save SO much valuable time with the engine extraction and refit.
Once the bumpers etc are removed, there are just 10 bolts holding the body to the chassis. You can see that the mechanic in the video, "About the Build" is removing a few of the bolts at 2min10sec.
Thank you for the updates. Your commitment is FIRST CLASS. It will be worth it.
Very best wishes to you on this mission.
Jeff

Yes it has a backyard DIY feel.

[DazzaTD5]

Another option maybe:

Sydney Jaguar & Land Rover Specialist (https://automotiveskills.net.au/) on ebay list a rebuilt engine for $11K

this actually looks really good and my guess is they prolly would do the installation, BUT, I have never got an engine from them and never heard of anyone that has used this business, so I have no idea.
But if someone else was a guinea pig and all went well i'd prolly get an engine from them.

[ozscott]

Another option maybe:

Sydney Jaguar & Land Rover Specialist (https://automotiveskills.net.au/) on ebay list a rebuilt engine for $11K

this actually looks really good and my guess is they prolly would do the installation, BUT, I have never got an engine from them and never heard of anyone that has used this business, so I have no idea.
But if someone else was a guinea pig and all went well i'd prolly get an engine from them.They get very good Google reviews at least. Cheers

[johnp38]

2005 Land Rover Discovery 3 SE Silver 6 Speed Sports Automatic Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Holdfast Bay - Somerton Park | 1303118690 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/somerton-park/cars-vans-utes/2005-land-rover-discovery-3-se-silver-6-speed-sports-automatic-wagon/1303118690)

Buy a whole car for the cost of a motor and move on

[RoundaWhile]

2005 Land Rover Discovery 3 SE Silver 6 Speed Sports Automatic Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Holdfast Bay - Somerton Park | 1303118690 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/somerton-park/cars-vans-utes/2005-land-rover-discovery-3-se-silver-6-speed-sports-automatic-wagon/1303118690)

Buy a whole car for the cost of a motor and move on

Thanks for the idea, however I have already purchased a second hand engine from TRS Adelaide, which is now sitting at the mechanic here in Hawker ready to be put in starting the 9th January. I also got TRS to put in a new timing belt.
Cheers

[johnp38]

Thanks for the idea, however I have already purchased a second hand engine from TRS Adelaide, which is now sitting at the mechanic here in Hawker ready to be put in starting the 9th January. I also got TRS to put in a new timing belt.
Cheers

That's right, you did say that few posts back and I clean forgot !

And I thought I was onto something !

I need to take up drinking again, 30 years of abstinence has done nothing for my brain or the satisfaction of fat ugly chicks.

[discomatt69]

2005 Land Rover Discovery 3 SE Silver 6 Speed Sports Automatic Wagon | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Holdfast Bay - Somerton Park | 1303118690 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/somerton-park/cars-vans-utes/2005-land-rover-discovery-3-se-silver-6-speed-sports-automatic-wagon/1303118690)

Buy a whole car for the cost of a motor and move on

To me that is a prime example of what the car market thinks of LR, they are so cheap in such an over inflated market its insane.
I love my D4, great car and does everything well but living with the constant nag that it could cost me 30k next time I start it makes ownership tiresome but what to do when anything that is remotely close to capability, comfort and size is more than double the price[bawl]

[ATH]

To me that is a prime example of what the car market thinks of LR, they are so cheap in such an over inflated market its insane.
I love my D4, great car and does everything well but living with the constant nag that it could cost me 30k next time I start it makes ownership tiresome but what to do when anything that is remotely close to capability, comfort and size is more than double the price[bawl]
My thoughts exactly and the main reason that I'm going Tojo rather than spend what I consider to be an excessive amount for a D300 Defender. My Disco won't be neglected while I wait and wait for its replacement though, being an oil nut it'll still get serviced as frequently as it always has been plus new tyres although I know it won't attract anywhere near what it's worth when compared with some of the overpriced stuff around nowadays.
AlanH.

[Aussie Jeepster]

Seems they shipped the crank separately with the new engine!
182683

[Tins]

Seems they shipped the crank separately with the new engine!
182683

What's the bet it breaks?

[scarry]

What's the bet it breaks?

Nah,it looks same design as the 1-VD,so it will be fine.[bigwhistle]

[discorevy]

Seems they shipped the crank separately with the new engine!
182683


Nah, here's a spy shot of their 4cyl upgraded version, based on the proportions of the TDV6, but strengthened,
https://uploads.bmw2002faq.com/monthly_2016_11/IMG_4037.thumb.JPG.2dcb9bd7807c0ba411e6a4b9c648836 2.JPG


Nah,it looks same design as the 1-VD,so it will be fine.[bigwhistle]

I've often wondered why even Tojo themselves thought their engine was just a little bit poxy, to give it that designation[bigwhistle][biggrin].

Hope it all goes smoothly Roundawhile:BigThumb:

[scarry]

I've often wondered why even Tojo themselves thought their engine was just a little bit poxy, to give it that designation[bigwhistle][biggrin].

Hope it all goes smoothly Roundawhile:BigThumb:

I suppose Holden did jump the VD dunnydore model…..

[Tins]

I suppose Holden did jump the VD dunnydore model…..

Chrysler wisely made the same decision with the vigilante.

[Tins]

So, how's life in Hawker?

[RoundaWhile]

So, how's life in Hawker?

Hot, and quiet.

The town and the people are really nice, however you hardly see the locals. Mind you the last couple of days have been over 40 degrees, and it is the silly season.

But without a car I am pretty much limited to visiting the local general store and the pub.

Hopefully only another two weeks :BigThumb:

[Tins]

Hot, and quiet.

The town and the people are really nice, however you hardly see the locals. Mind you the last couple of days have been over 40 degrees, and it is the silly season.

But without a car I am pretty much limited to visiting the local general store and the pub.

Hopefully only another two weeks :BigThumb:

Two weeks isn't so bad. Maybe another few days to see how things go before hitching up the house and moving on?

[RoundaWhile]

Two weeks isn't so bad. Maybe another few days to see how things go before hitching up the house and moving on?

Yes I will venture up to Wilpena Pound which is only about sixty ks from here, and do day trips so I can gain some confidence before doing longer trips.

[RoundaWhile]

The mechanic started back today, Yeaaahhhhhh!!!!

The cause of the problem was the usual, a broken oil pump housing. The timing belt wasn't broken so I can't blame the car yard where I purchased it. Given that I have done about 27,000 ks since I bought it, this would suggest that they did replace the belt. Ironically maybe I would have better off not insisting on them replacing it. I wonder if the old belt would have lasted longer than the oil pump?

The replacement engine has the upgraded pump and new timing belts (front and back), not much more I can do.

I am hoping that maybe it will be finished this week.

[loanrangie]

The mechanic started back today, Yeaaahhhhhh!!!!

The cause of the problem was the usual, a broken oil pump housing. The timing belt wasn't broken so I can't blame the car yard where I purchased it. Given that I have done about 27,000 ks since I bought it, this would suggest that they did replace the belt. Ironically maybe I would have better off not insisting on them replacing it. I wonder if the old belt would have lasted longer than the oil pump?

The replacement engine has the upgraded pump and new timing belts (front and back), not much more I can do.

I am hoping that maybe it will be finished this week.The belts would definitely last longer than the pump, my belt looked as new when the pump went before it's first belt change.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230109/e8cf33e831983b034635c46431e0f9de.jpg

[RoundaWhile]

The engine has been replaced and I am back on the road [bigsmile1]

[Tins]

The engine has been replaced and I am back on the road [bigsmile1]

That's awesome! Happy trails!

[Aussie Jeepster]

Congratulations mate - very happy to hear. If you come down to Adelaide, give me a ring and maybe we can have a cold one.
Alan

The engine has been replaced and I am back on the road [bigsmile1]

[Jeffoir]

Well done!
your patience rewarded.
Safe travels.

[RoundaWhile]

I'm still in Hawker.

The car is fine, I just happened to have grown fond of the place. So much so that on Monday I start as the manager at the hotel.

So if any one is passing through Hawker drop in and say Hi.

Cheers

Tony

[Tins]

I'm still in Hawker.

The car is fine, I just happened to have grown fond of the place. So much so that on Monday I start as the manager at the hotel.

So if any one is passing through Hawker drop in and say Hi.

Cheers

Tony

That's possibly the bestest, funniest thing I've read in ages! Talk about silver linings. Congrats.

[loanrangie]

Would be even funnier of you bought the pub .

[RoundaWhile]

Would be even funnier of you bought the pub .

Hahaha I wish I had that much money. The pub is actually up for sale if you're interested [bigsmile]

[Tins]

Hahaha I wish I had that much money. The pub is actually up for sale if you're interested [bigsmile]

It's tempting, but I'm not sure about the new manager.

[shack]

I'm still in Hawker.

The car is fine, I just happened to have grown fond of the place. So much so that on Monday I start as the manager at the hotel.

So if any one is passing through Hawker drop in and say Hi.

Cheers

TonyI refer you to post #44..

All the best!

[SimmAus]

What an awesome, serendipitous result. All the best.

[haydent]

this is a great story

[loanrangie]

A bit of Stockholm syndrome i think [bigrolf].

[Narangga]

A bit of Stockholm syndrome i think [bigrolf].

:Rolling: :Rolling: :Rolling: