Oh, please...

[Tins]

182671

[scarry]

Unfortunately that is what the world is coming to.

We haven't seen much over 35 degrees for the last few summers here,once we start getting the hot ones back,that is 38 to 42 degrees,for a couple of weeks,it is going to be panic stations for many,including the local media.

People generally have short memories.

We will get a few more jobs at work as well,many installers just shove refrigeration condensing units,and AC outdoor units anywhere,some in areas that get very little ventilation and or recirculate their own air.
I can hear the customer now " it worked fine for the last few years"
Sure it did, but we didnt have any temperatures over 35 degrees,today it is 42.[bighmmm]

[Tins]

In 2009, the day my house caught fire, it was 44°. OK, given it was only a couple of weeks after Black Saturday, there was some cause for consternation, but it was not unusual for Melbourne in Jan/Feb. Summer temps like that are what I grew up with. 32° is SPRING here.

Things like those I pictured are designed to "educate" us that certain agendas are correct, that the zeitgeist is infallible.

As you say, short memories. I think I'll ditch the weather app. The weather is what it is, and no app will change that.

[Tins]

32° is SPRING here.



When it's not raining, that is[bigsad]

[Tins]

it is going to be panic stations for many,including the local media.



It gives them something to do. Panic is the purpose of the media. They have no other reason for their existence.

[p38arover]

32 is just warm.

[vnx205]

Are they claiming 32 is extreme heat or are they just warning that extreme heat is coming later?

[Tins]

Are they claiming 32 is extreme heat or are they just warning that extreme heat is coming later?

Burrow a little deeper and the claim is for the day, and is not localized to here alone. Mid to high 30s in areas such as North West Victoria might be expected. In Victoria in Summer there's nothing "extreme" about that.

[jonesfam]

32 Degrees, nice winters day.
Probably only need a sleeveless pullover but definitely your fluffy thongs.
Jonesfam

[JDNSW]

The day has started to cool off here, now just below 36.

[discomatt69]

Typical sensationalism and fear/anxiety type media for a soft cotton wool society that laps it up

[Tins]

Typical sensationalism and fear/anxiety type media for a soft cotton wool society that laps it up

No need to lap it up, they get it spoon fed.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Unfortunately that is what the world is coming to.

We haven't seen much over 35 degrees for the last few summers here,once we start getting the hot ones back,that is 38 to 42 degrees,for a couple of weeks,it is going to be panic stations for many,including the local media.

People generally have short memories.

We will get a few more jobs at work as well,many installers just shove refrigeration condensing units,and AC outdoor units anywhere,some in areas that get very little ventilation and or recirculate their own air.
I can hear the customer now " it worked fine for the last few years"
Sure it did, but we didn't have any temperatures over 35 degrees,today it is 42.[bighmmm]

We had our air con installed in the roof about 2 years ago, this was manly to help Mario as he couldn't regulate his body temp. We did have a split system in the lounge room, but we now needed the whole house cool for him.
The system had it first service a week ago as I knew when the heat finally hit us every one would want air con installed or have a service done. These days you have to strike when the iron is hot and dont wait

[Tins]

My neighbours are complaining about the heat. They moved here from Lismore, NSW to "get away from the heat". To MELBOURNE[bigrolf]. Be as rude as you like about the weather here, but it knows how to get hot. They haven't seen a hot summer here, and this is their fourth. We're about due.

[POD]

This is why we have to have such nonsensical things as a fire danger rating called 'catastrophic'; keep lowering the threshold for the adjectives that fit the context, eventually you need to borrow adjectives that don't make sense.

[Slunnie]

You low landers all showing off about your extreme temperatures, you all need to have an altitude adjustment! :lol2:

It tops out at about 34 here, but unusually this year people were still wearing warm tops until early-mid December. :blink:

[Homestar]

What will everyone do when we have multiple 40+ degree days again? I thought yesterday was lovely - 33 at our place. Today probably getting warm with an expected top of 36 so the AC may even get a run at some point.

We were all complaining about Summer not being here and within 2 warm days the media are calling it a heat wave - give me strength….

[jon3950]

We were camped up on Bryce Plain on Christmas Day & Boxing day. The forecast for Monday was 25 degrees, with an extreme heat warning.

[drivesafe]

People generally have short memories.

I can remember getting a push bike for Christmas, in the late 1960s, and when riding it in the street, and it was so hot, my shoes stuck to the melted tar on the road.

Yes road surfaces have changed but I can not remember anything like that for many years now!

[vnx205]

Days like that were good. It meant you could dig up melted tar from the road to seal the holes in the used corrugated iron that you had used to build a canoe.

[POD]

We were camped up on Bryce Plain on Christmas Day & Boxing day. The forecast for Monday was 25 degrees, with an extreme heat warning.

The snowflakes at my work would agree with that; anything above 24 degrees will see them sitting in the vehicle with the windows up, engine running, a/c blasting. Does my head in.

[Tins]

many installers just shove refrigeration condensing units,and AC outdoor units anywhere,some in areas that get very little ventilation and or recirculate their own air.


Probably quite close to that area's Stevenson Screen... "Oh look, the temperature has gone up". Urban heat island effect strikes again.

[Tins]

It's extreme-er today. I don't have aircon, what am I to do??[bigsad]


182679

[V8Ian]

It's extreme-er today. I don't have aircon, what am I to do??[bigsad]


182679
Buy a fan. [wink11]

182688

[Arapiles]

.... within 2 warm days the media are calling it a heat wave - give me strength….


Actually it's the BOM calling it a heatwave:


http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/heatwave/

[Geedublya]

32c in the Huon Valley today. My family who complained about Tasmania being too cold now tell me it's too hot and they want a pool [bigrolf]. We may even have to turn on the heat pump to cool things down in the house so they can sleep....

[Tins]

Buy a fan. [wink11]

182688

I have lots, although possibly not on here...

[V8Ian]

I have lots, although possibly not on here...
Awe, you're ok John. [biggrin]

[Tins]

Awe, you're ok John. [biggrin]

Shucks..:wub:

[Homestar]

Actually it's the BOM calling it a heatwave:


http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/heatwave/

Which goes against their own definition - “The Bureau of Meteorology defines a heatwave as three or more days in a row when both daytime and night-time temperatures are unusually high”

2 warm days and one warm night does not constitute a heatwave - everyone needs to take a teaspoon of cement.

http://www.bom.gov.au/metadata/catalogue/19115/ANZCW0503900601#:~:text=The%20Bureau%20of%20Meteor ology%20defines,climate%20and%20the%20recent%20pas t.

[Tombie]

Wow, thats a cute number there [bigrolf]

We had a nice and dry 43c yesterday

[Tins]

If you like that, you're going to love this...

182706

[Tins]

The app displays warnings issued by the BOM. These speak in terms like "life threatening". If that were the case then the warnings would be appreciated, but all they do is get people running around with their hair on fire over what are actually below average temps for Victoria at this time of year. So we get a "the sky is falling" attitude while at the same time desensitising people to the real purpose of warnings of that nature.
Mike says its 43° where he is. While not an everyday occurrence, temps like that are not unheard of in Melbourne. That's when we need warnings if we must have them. The CFA uses "Code Red" for those days. They really are "life threatening", because that's when we get bushfires.

182707

[RANDLOVER]

I think the wide spread use of A/c especially in peoples homes and cars has contributed to the rapid expansion of the population in Qld, as a lot of people wouldn't live here without a/c. I always advise people moving here from cooler climes to get a car with a/c, but one of my mates ignored me and bought one without, luckily he was a mechanic so bought an a/c system from a wrecker and installed it in his car.

[trout1105]

I don't know what all the fuss is about, it regularly gets to 40C+ here during summer.
We are in Australia and it is Summer so of course it is going to get Hot.

[Tins]

I think the wide spread use of A/c especially in peoples homes and cars has contributed to the rapid expansion of the population in Qld, as a lot of people wouldn't live here without a/c. I always advise people moving here from cooler climes to get a car with a/c, but one of my mates ignored me and bought one without, luckily he was a mechanic so bout an a/c system from a wrecker and installed it in his car.

Funny. When I moved from Melb to SEQ in the early 80s I wondered what everyone was on about. Melbourne gets WAY hotter than anything I experienced there. But it doesn't do it all day, every day. I also used to laugh at my workmates moaning about winter mornings. 12°!! Brrrr.. Where I come from that's the maximum in July! They knew it would get to mid 30s during the day.

A/C was only for the rich. I sure didn't have it.

Somerset Dam, 1982. The wall is a couple of hundred metres behind me. Lovely 38° day. Dogs were hardly panting. They'd just had their weekly Asuntol bath for ticks. Given how much they loved baths, so had I.

182710

[gavinwibrow]

Funny. When I moved from Melb to SEQ in the early 80s I wondered what everyone was on about. Melbourne gets WAY hotter than anything I experienced there. But it doesn't do it all day, every day. I also used to laugh at my workmates moaning about winter mornings. 12°!! Brrrr.. Where I come from that's the maximum in July! They knew it would get to mid 30s during the day.

A/C was only for the rich. I sure didn't have it.

Somerset Dam, 1982. The wall is a couple of hundred metres behind me. Lovely 38° day. Dogs were hardly panting. They'd just had their weekly Asuntol bath for ticks. Given how much they loved baths, so had I.

182710



Lurve the exhaust pipe tip

[Tins]

Lurve the exhaust pipe tip

Hey, it was a 307. Nothing but the best for it.

[V8Ian]

Hey, it was a 307. Nothing but the best for it.
HT should have been a 308, was the 307 retro-fitted?

[Tins]

HT should have been a 308, was the 307 retro-fitted?

Nope. Early HT used up existing supplies of the 307, Powerglide combo, prior to the 308 Trimatic. It's possibly a rare car, well it could be if I still had it. That particular car was fitted with a ute ratio diff, so acceleration was surprising. Even in those days though, fuel costs were also surprising.. 60 MPH ( no pansy kilometres for that car ) would see it run out of breath.

[p38arover]

A/C was only for the rich. I sure didn't have it.

Dunno about that. When we bought our first home in late 1971, we soon (by 1972) had ducted A/C installed. We weren't rich, I was a young technical officer.

We've lived in Ceduna and Carnarvon so we do know about warm days but I'm not sure it ever got as hot there as it does here in Penrith where 45 deg isn't uncommon in summer.

[JDNSW]

I have never lived in a house with airconditioning. But my current house was designed to be reasonably comfortable without it.

Having grown up just north of Parramatta, one of the things that has struck me in recent years, since they started routinely reporting temperatures in a number of places in Western Sydney, is that temperatures there are rarely much different to what they are here (at the same stage of the weather system, might be a day or two late).

When I was young, we only had one thermometer, and it was designed for a chicken brooder, which meant a limited temperature range, about 80°F - 110°F. But it commonly went off scale in summer.

[350RRC]

I have never lived in a house with airconditioning. But my current house was designed to be reasonably comfortable without it.

Having grown up just north of Parramatta, one of the things that has struck me in recent years, since they started routinely reporting temperatures in a number of places in Western Sydney, is that temperatures there are rarely much different to what they are here (at the same stage of the weather system, might be a day or two late).

When I was young, we only had one thermometer, and it was designed for a chicken brooder, which meant a limited temperature range, about 80°F - 110°F. But it commonly went off scale in summer.

I'm 64, never lived in an air con house, primary and secondary school didn't have air con, cars didn't have air con.

It's no surprise to me that there is a certain demographic group, younger than me, whinging about how hot it is @ 32C, especially when they've most likely spent most of their lives indoors.

DL

[vnx205]

Perhaps there is some justification for the term "life threatening" at lower temperatures than we might expect.

Temperatures that most of us might just find mildly uncomfortable frequently cause deaths amongst the elderly and people with certain medical conditions. Perhaps the warning is aimed at those who are actually at risk.

Just because we are not at risk does not mean that someone else's life isn't threatened.

[JDNSW]

I'm 64, never lived in an air con house, primary and secondary school didn't have air con, cars didn't have air con.

It's no surprise to me that there is a certain demographic group, younger than me, whinging about how hot it is @ 32C, especially when they've most likely spent most of their lives indoors.

DL

Yes. None of my schools - primary, secondary, tertiary had aircon, or, for that matter, heating! Nor did any of my workplaces until i was in my thirties.

One of my memories of excessive heat was my first visit to Melbourne in the summer of 1959-60, when we were there as a family. In the city, the only public cool places we found were a movie theatre and the crypt of the war memorial. It was 41°C in Melbourne that day from memory. And yes, we found it hot!

[Tins]

I'm 64, never lived in an air con house, primary and secondary school didn't have air con, cars didn't have air con.

It's no surprise to me that there is a certain demographic group, younger than me, whinging about how hot it is @ 32C, especially when they've most likely spent most of their lives indoors.

DL

I'm 69 and ditto. My step daughter always took her family to the big shopping complex or maybe a golden arch joint when it got over say 38°. She saw this as normal....

Back in the 70s, the bloke I worked for in a garage in an office building was kind of a Dutch Arthur Dailey, always peddling something. He spent weeks trying to convince one of the advertising VIPs ( yeah, right) that he needed a sunroof in his S Class. Bloke finally cracked it and said "Bob, I live in an air conditioned house, I drive an air conditioned car to my air conditioned office. Why the **** would I want a sun roof?" I actually felt sorry for him.

[Epic_Dragon]

I can't see the image as they don't work on the app for some reason so dont really know exactly what this thread is about, but I hate the heat [emoji28] I can't regulate my body temp with my disabilities.
I only struggle as there's no air con here at home and it gets very hot inside and I get very unwell really quickly. Anyone with air con is really lucky! I'm grateful such things exist
Hopefully we get actual air con soon to stay comfortable inside. The heat isn't too bad then

[Tins]

I can't regulate my body temp with my disabilities.
n

Can't the NDIS help? Oh, wait. Stupid question.

Stay well, Leonie.

[p38arover]

Yes. None of my schools - primary, secondary, tertiary had aircon, or, for that matter, heating! Nor did any of my workplaces until i was in my thirties.

None of my schools (including tech college) had aircon - unlike today's schools. But everywhere I worked after that (and during field training away from tech) was airconditioned. One of the advantages of working with electronic equipment that generated a lot of heat.

[Tins]

None of my schools (including tech college) had aircon - unlike today's schools. But everywhere I worked after that (and during field training away from tech) was airconditioned. One of the advantages of working with electronic equipment that generated a lot of heat.

Went to school in a big old bluestone pile. Never hot in summer, but those Melbourne winters?? In the Army the closest thing to aircon was the front vents in a IIA.

[p38arover]

I remember winter at Albury Primary School in winter - the teacher would have a roaring fire going in the claasroom. He also collected the class' school milk, poured it into a large pot, put it over the fire, and made us hot chocolate for recess.

[Tins]

I remember in the early 70s I was stationed at Penrith. Base was near the station. Seems to be an estate now, with something called Ron Mulock Oval in it.. Poor bloke, you'd think they could at least have made it an oval; the thing is circular. It could get cool there of a mornin'.

[vnx205]

Went to school in a big old bluestone pile. Never hot in summer, but those Melbourne winters?? In the Army the closest thing to aircon was the front vents in a IIA.

The joke sounds better in imperial units.

Cars of that era were sometimes said to have 460 air conditioning.

It meant "wind down all four windows and drive at 60mph".

[V8Ian]

Went to school in a big old bluestone pile. Never hot in summer, but those Melbourne winters??
Bluestone College? [tonguewink]
182839

I'll wager, those describing unspectacular weather events with exaggerated intensifiers, wear XXXM Reg Grundies. [bigrolf]

[Tins]

Bluestone College? [tonguewink]
182839 [bigrolf]

That was uni.

[4bee]

Unfortunately that is what the world is coming to.

We haven't seen much over 35 degrees for the last few summers here,once we start getting the hot ones back,that is 38 to 42 degrees,for a couple of weeks,it is going to be panic stations for many,including the local media.

People generally have short memories.

We will get a few more jobs at work as well,many installers just shove refrigeration condensing units,and AC outdoor units anywhere,some in areas that get very little ventilation and or recirculate their own air.
I can hear the customer now " it worked fine for the last few years"
Sure it did, but we didnt have any temperatures over 35 degrees,today it is 42.[bighmmm]



So, it becomes "your Fault"? Nothing like clients where the owners have no or short memories, eh?[bigrolf][biggrin]

The Media keep going on about "Heat waves" Heart waves be bolloxed, it is a normal old school summer.[bighmmm]

[scarry]

So, it becomes "your Fault"? Nothing like clients where the owners have no or short memories, eh?[bigrolf][biggrin]

The Media keep going on about "Heat waves" Heart waves be bolloxed, it is a normal old school summer.[bighmmm]

I remember at state school the teacher used to move the class outside under a tree as it was cooler than being in the classroom-if the temp was over 38 degrees.

Today the classrooms all have AC,I bet if it breaks down they probably all go home.[biggrin]

[4bee]

I remember winter at Albury Primary School in winter - the teacher would have a roaring fire going in the claasroom. He also collected the class' school milk, poured it into a large pot, put it over the fire, and made us hot chocolate for recess.

Today that Teacher would be up before a Board of Inquiry for not having the milk tested for bacteria & possibly making Little Johnny crook in the guts & **** his pants. [biggrin]

[4bee]

I remember at state school the teacher used to move the class outside under a tree as it was cooler than being in the classroom-if the temp was over 38 degrees.

Today the classrooms all have AC,I bet if it breaks down they probably all go home.[biggrin]


Tell me about it! Here the bright sparks of PBD back then installed Ducted Swampies in the rooms & then sealed the windows with rubber strips never thinking that one days the box would break down & parts could take a month to arrive. Yes I know, a Pump & a Vee Belt & a motor
Oh yes PBD staff were not the greatest when it came to possible "planning" for such emergencies back then & probably still aren't.

PBD = Public Buildings Department. Responsible for School Building Maint.

[Tins]

Today that Teacher would be up before a Board of Inquiry for not having the milk tested for bacteria & possibly making Little Johnny crook in the guts & **** his pants. [biggrin]

Not to mention the Carbon Police. Can't have fires.

[4bee]

That was uni.


Pentridge eh. Must have had the stonework steam cleaned. I recall as a 11 year olde being driven past there a couple of times a day when my Aunt or Uncle drove from or to West Preston to Essendon Aerodrome to retrieve my Unc who was a Skymaster Pilot for ANA


The doors have changed but I guess it wasn't meant to be a Fun Park establishment . Big heavy ****ers they were then but what a miserable joint to be casterated in. (sic)[smilebigeye]

I think our mate Ned Kelly was banged up in that joint.


I believe it is /was a Tourist Attraction these days.

[p38arover]

Today that Teacher would be up before a Board of Inquiry for not having the milk tested for bacteria & possibly making Little Johnny crook in the guts & **** his pants. [biggrin]

Ahh, remember the days of school milk being dropped off early by the milko and it sitting in the sun for hours then being forced to drink it.

[RobMichelle]

Yep I remember growing up, stuffed in Mums car no aircon heading for a 2/12 hour drive to the beach, to get hot full of sand drive home to house with no air con, I’m now 54 have a house with air con, cars with aircon and love aircon, I appreciate what we have and I’m glad we have it.

[scarry]

Tell me about it! Here the bright sparks of PBD back then installed Ducted Swampies in the rooms & then sealed the windows with rubber strips never thinking that one days the box would break down & parts could take a month to arrive. Yes I know, a Pump & a Vee Belt & a motor
Oh yes PBD staff were not the greatest when it came to possible "planning" for such emergencies back then & probably still aren't.

PBD = Public Buildings Department. Responsible for School Building Maint.

They are less smarter here.
They put out tenders for the cool school project just before summer promising to would all be completed by the time the Christmas school holidays had finished.
What AC company is not absolutely flat out at that time of the year,and has staff on holidays,yet alone the availability of thousands of new AC units.

Eventually the units went in over the next year or so but someone forgot most schools didn’t have enough power.
So the power authority had to put in numerous new substations and many schools had huge electrical upgrades.
That didn’t happen overnight,and many schools were left with classrooms that had the fans removed and AC units not operational due to not enough power for them.
So when summer arrived,that situation became a political football,as the schools were in a worse situation than they were before all this started.

And the contractors that installed the AC units wanted to be paid even though the units could not be run.
So then at huge cost the Govt had to hire generators to test run all the AC units,or pay contractors to modify existing circuits temporarily to run each unit to test and commission them,so the contractor could be paid.

Many of the AC units were out of warranty before they were eventually powered up and could be operated by the school staff.

Then there was a huge argument as the schools complained their budget would not be big nough to cover all the repairs yet alone the maintenance of hundreds of AC units.

All fun and games,and one expensive cock up.

[JDNSW]

Yep I remember growing up, stuffed in Mums car no aircon heading for a 2/12 hour drive to the beach, to get hot full of sand drive home to house with no air con, I’m now 54 have a house with air con, cars with aircon and love aircon, I appreciate what we have and I’m glad we have it.

For two or three years around 1950 we went camping next to the beach at Narrabeen. We were in an ex-army A tent, and travelled therein the Ford T truck (top speed 15mph) - mum and dad in the cab, and the three kids in a sort of nest at the front of the tray. (the cab was only wide enough for two, and had no doors.)

[V8Ian]

Pentridge eh. Must have had the stonework steam cleaned. I recall as a 11 year olde being driven past there a couple of times a day when my Aunt or Uncle drove from or to West Preston to Essendon Aerodrome to retrieve my Unc who was a Skymaster Pilot for ANA


The doors have changed but I guess it wasn't meant to be a Fun Park establishment . Big heavy ****ers they were then but what a miserable joint to be casterated in. (sic)[smilebigeye]

I think our mate Ned Kelly was banged up in that joint.


I believe it is /was a Tourist Attraction these days.
Des, are you confusing Pentridge and Old Melbourne gaols?
I believe ol' Ned was hung in (Old) Melbourne goal, before Pentridge was built.

[4bee]

Des, are you confusing Pentridge and Old Melbourne gaols?
I believe ol' Ned was hung in (Old) Melbourne goal, before Pentridge was built.


Since you mention it, it seems I may be but I was sure he had been.


Ok, forget Ned but the rest of my post is accurate.

Ta.

ED. Seems he was & he wasn't.
Did Ned Kelly serve time in Pentridge?



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[B]In 1873, Ned Kelly served part of his three-year sentence at Pentridge for “feloniously receiving a horse”. In 1929, Kelly's remains were transferred from Melbourne Gaol to a mass grave at Pentridge, which was returned to Kelly's relatives in 2011 after a DNA test.18 Jan 2022

[scarry]

For two or three years around 1950 we went camping next to the beach at Narrabeen. We were in an ex-army A tent, and travelled therein the Ford T truck (top speed 15mph) - mum and dad in the cab, and the three kids in a sort of nest at the front of the tray. (the cab was only wide enough for two, and had no doors.)

Sounds worse than being in the Series 1,we travelled all over the countryside,three kids in the back,the youngest which was not me,always had the front middle seat.Often the wooden trailer in tow.
We sat amongst all the gear ona pillow,yes tha same one we used when we slept at night in our camp beds.
Had a huge canvas tent with center pole,pretty common in the day,with wooden poles.

Anyway,no complaints,or we got a good clip around the ear….

[Tins]

Des, are you confusing Pentridge and Old Melbourne gaols?
I believe ol' Ned was hung in (Old) Melbourne goal, before Pentridge was built.

Whichever one, I reckon Des' auntie was directionally challenged, because neither would be on that route. Course, the roads could have changed a bit since those days. Horses used to go their own way.[bigwhistle]


Old Melbourne is over the road from the old Russell Street cop shop, where D24 used to be. And yes, Ned was hanged there.

[4bee]

Sounds worse than being in the Series 1,we travelled all over the countryside,three kids in the back,the youngest which was not me,always had the front middle seat.Often the wooden trailer in tow.
We sat amongst all the gear ona pillow,yes tha same one we used when we slept at night in our camp beds.
Had a huge canvas tent with center pole,pretty common in the day,with wooden poles.

Anyway,no complaints,or we got a good clip around the ear….


In the Sea Scouts we had an annual camp at Williamstown( in the hills not Victoria.) Scoutmaster was a Goods Carrier & owned a Diamond T Flat top truck. No sideboards though. We would leave Adelaide about 6PM sitting on & bouncing around on the tray with normal truck springing. Had a folded tent but nothing else to sit on Never lost a lad in about 6 years that I knew of.[bigrolf]

In later years he had a lift on lift off seating "module" which was quite common in those days to transport groups to picnics, Races etc. That in turn was bolted or clamped down but that was later after I had changed Troops.

Ahh Happy Days.[bigrolf]

[V8Ian]

Whichever one, I reckon Des' auntie was directionally challenged, because neither would be on that route. Course, the roads could have changed a bit since those days. Horses used to go their own way.[bigwhistle]


Old Melbourne is over the road from the old Russell Street cop shop, where D24 used to be. And yes, Ned was hanged there.
Probably using Google Maps. [bighmmm]

[4bee]

Whichever one, I reckon Des' auntie was directionally challenged, because neither would be on that route. Course, the roads could have changed a bit since those days. Horses used to go their own way.[bigwhistle]


Old Melbourne is over the road from the old Russell Street cop shop, where D24 used to be. And yes, Ned was hanged there.


That right? Today I am sure the roads have changed in 75 years. We did pass Pentridge no mistake. Russell St .Big Radio Tower on top down the road from Pharlap.[bigrolf] Aunt Joan & Unc Doug knew where they were. Had a little MG which had a very small luggage compartment. They drove me down to Cobden with me crammed in the back & at one time reaching 100MPH WOW! :rulez:[smilebigeye]

[Tins]

reaching 100MPH WOW! :rulez:[smilebigeye]

Sure you're not thinking of Phar Lap again?

[350RRC]

Used to do a major fish survey in western Vic around the end of Feb, did it maybe 5 or 6 times.

It did get hot sometimes............. 40......42ish.

We learnt really fast not to have the air con on in the car going from site to site, doing the gear and recording, from 6am till we'd finished for the day around 7pm. You're body just gets used to the ambient as the day warms up.

Early in the piece if the air was on and we arrived somewhere to set / retrieve gear it was like getting hit with the contents of an oven when the car door was opened and your body couldn't adjust.

These days a lot of the clients (CMA's ,etc) have a knock off @39c mandated in inductions, based on risk assessment.

Air con off if I'm doing the job. DL

[JDNSW]

Sounds worse than being in the Series 1,we travelled all over the countryside,three kids in the back,the youngest which was not me,always had the front middle seat.Often the wooden trailer in tow.
We sat amongst all the gear ona pillow,yes tha same one we used when we slept at night in our camp beds.
Had a huge canvas tent with center pole,pretty common in the day,with wooden poles.

Anyway,no complaints,or we got a good clip around the ear….

Strangely enough I still have the ridgepole of that army tent. About twelve feet long, nearly three inches in diameter, and made of hardwood, with a steel sleeve at each end with two holes for spikes on the end of the uprights. I think we sat on the tent, perhaps with a mattress under it, with the tent fly covering the rest of the load, and able to be pulled over us if it rained or the sun got too hot.

One year one of our older cousins made us a propeller on a stick that he nailed to the back of the (wood) cab sticking up in the breeze.

On another occasion we complained loudly enough about hunger that Dad stopped and got a loaf of fresh bread and gave it to us. The three of us pulled it in two and ate the fresh bread by the handful, followed by the crust. (The only "fast food" that existed then was fish and chips or pies and sausage rolls, and the family could rarely afford these - it was just after the war and we were still in austerity mode.)

[4bee]

Sure you're not thinking of Phar Lap again?


He was quick but not that quick.[bigrolf]

[Tins]

He was quick but not that quick.[bigrolf]

I wouldn't remember..[bigwhistle]

[4bee]

They are less smarter here.
They put out tenders for the cool school project just before summer promising to would all be completed by the time the Christmas school holidays had finished.
What AC company is not absolutely flat out at that time of the year,and has staff on holidays,yet alone the availability of thousands of new AC units.

Eventually the units went in over the next year or so but someone forgot most schools didn’t have enough power.
So the power authority had to put in numerous new substations and many schools had huge electrical upgrades.
That didn’t happen overnight,and many schools were left with classrooms that had the fans removed and AC units not operational due to not enough power for them.
So when summer arrived,that situation became a political football,as the schools were in a worse situation than they were before all this started.

And the contractors that installed the AC units wanted to be paid even though the units could not be run.
So then at huge cost the Govt had to hire generators to test run all the AC units,or pay contractors to modify existing circuits temporarily to run each unit to test and commission them,so the contractor could be paid.

Many of the AC units were out of warranty before they were eventually powered up and could be operated by the school staff.

Then there was a huge argument as the schools complained their budget would not be big enough to cover all the repairs yet alone the maintenance of hundreds of AC units.

All fun and games,and one expensive cock up.

I bet the person who stuffed it all up kept his/her job on full pay & eventually got a big fat Bonus for being so "thorough" . Not only tha,t but trained up a junior wannabee to take over one day when Engineer #1 retired. And so it gets repeated down the years, a bit like Council Employees who learn incompetence from the old lags, so follow suit.

Who said History doesn't repeat itself? :Thump::Rolling:

[Tins]

I bet the person who stuffed it all up kept his/her job on full pay & eventually got a big fat Bonus for being so "thorough" . Not only tha,t but trained up a junior wannabee to take over one day when Engineer #1 retired. And so it gets repeated down the years, a bit like Council Employees who learn incompetence from the old lags, so follow suit.

Who said History doesn't repeat itself? :Thump::Rolling:

I recall that, during the Global Financial Crisis ( remember that one? ), part of the "plan" called on building stuff to stimulate the economy. We got "pink batts"; in the belfry, presumably. We got "tuck shops" that couldn't tuck. And, in one notable example, a footy club wound up with more full storage hot water systems in the shower block than they had actual players. High fives and promotions all round, chaps. Err, can I still say 'chaps'?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Epic_Dragon]

Can't the NDIS help? Oh, wait. Stupid question.

Stay well, Leonie.I can access some discounts on the costs of running heating and cooling but need air-conditioner itself. I'm trying to get my own accessible grannie flat type home and it will definitely have air con when I do

[Roverlord off road spares]

We got a discount for cooling and heating, because Mario couldn't regulate his body
temperature we filled a special form from our energy company which drop the price down. Also since I had a part pension from centrelink I had a heath care card which gave us more discounts on the cooling and heating. Most companies will have there own guide lines on who can get the extra discount. You need to contact your energy company to get these form. Heather

[scarry]

Who said History doesn't repeat itself? :Thump::Rolling:

I think it is probably us humans are not that smart at times.[tonguewink]

That is why history keeps repeating itself.

[scarry]

And, in one notable example, a footy club wound up with more full storage hot water systems in the shower block than they had actual players. High fives and promotions all round, chaps. Err, can I still say 'chaps'?

They put those Heat pump HW systems in at one of the places of Paradise out Wacol way.

Twelve were put in one plant room,replacing gas systems,so they recirculated their own air,and it was that cold in the plant room,the walls were covered in condensation.So the first few cold days,hot showers became a thing of the past.[biggrin]
So then contractors were engaged to put two huge noisy fans in the ceiling to pump the cold air out through the roof.That didnt work either.Someone had forgotten that to get air out,it has to get in.
So then two huge holes were cut in the side outside wall of the plant room,and covered with heavy duty mesh.
Now there was hot water for the showers,but the fans had to be fitted with time clocks,that cycled them off at night, so the non paying tenants could get some sleep.

I could write a book about all the stuff ups i have seen over the years.Some have been huge.
In another life,when i did comissioning,very often it was up to us to explain to the consultant engineer why this (whatever it was) had no chance of ever working.
In those days,some of the engineers were very good,but these days finding one that has any idea is like looking for rocking horse poo.

[4bee]

They put those Heat pump HW systems in at one of the places of Paradise out Wacol way.

Twelve were put in one plant room,replacing gas systems,so they recirculated their own air,and it was that cold in the plant room,the walls were covered in condensation.So the first few cold days,hot showers became a thing of the past.[biggrin]
So then contractors were engaged to put two huge noisy fans in the ceiling to pump the cold air out through the roof.That didnt work either.Someone had forgotten that to get air out,it has to get in.
So then two huge holes were cut in the side outside wall of the plant room,and covered with heavy duty mesh.
Now there was hot water for the showers,but the fans had to be fitted with time clocks,that cycled them off at night, so the non paying tenants could get some sleep.

I could write a book about all the stuff ups i have seen over the years.Some have been huge.
In another life,when i did comissioning,very often it was up to us to explain to the consultant engineer why this (whatever it was) had no chance of ever working.
In those days,some of the engineers were very good,but these days finding one that has any idea is like looking for rocking horse poo.


To those of us in the know, Air Out equals Air In. One doesn't really even need a brain to figure that out.

Years ago in SAPOL HQ Data/Radio Equipment Room I was tasked to install a High Wall split as a standby for the ducted outlet already installed in the ceiling but the PBD had not explained to SAPOL that it wasn't a "Both on Together" gig but a one or the other as explained by the obvious red printed Label attached to said equipment stating "Emergency Backup System" DO NOT USE WITH INSTALLED DUCTED SYSTEM" I billed PBD for that call & expected an argument but they paid without a murmur after it was explained to them that is what their Spec Called for.

TWITS!


DUHH.:rulez:


Just a late thoughtie. TiC. Paul, I suspect those "engineers" were so inept at the design stage that the only Plant Room they had ever been in was always stinking hot & they had never experienced the latest trends in HEAT pumps so believed it was always the way. Blowing Cold air was someone else's problem & it would soon get fixed. Design Specs? Who reads those?:Rolling:

[350RRC]

.................
In those days,some of the engineers were very good,but these days finding one that has any idea is like looking for rocking horse poo.

The generic engineering drawings for a shed I built about.5 years ago had all the footing holes combined with the slab at about 4 times the volume of what was the norm (inspected) around here 10 years ago.

Seems like all they learn at uni is how to cover their arses by doubling or quadrupling the size of everything.

IME a person can learn a lot in the real world that never gets taught in 5 years at uni.

cheers, DL

[scarry]

Seems like all they learn at uni is how to cover their arses by doubling or quadrupling the size of everything.

IME a person can learn a lot in the real world that never gets taught in 5 years at uni.

cheers, DL

My experience is an Engineer that has been a Tradie for a good few years previously,is more than likely a very good engineer.
They have usually been there, done that,and have a much better understanding of the industry than one that has just been to school,then Uni.
Its all about experience in that particular industry.

Talking about stumping,we recently had a place re stumped,it is on north Coast of NSW.
I asked the stumper what size footings are you going to put in.
Once we got back home,i checked the size of the footings on an extension that was put on the property 18 yrs ago,and the restumper was spot on.

[V8Ian]

The recent cool spell in North East USA, may or may not have been extreme, but warnings were taken seriously.

We in Buffalo received a weather warning today advising anyone travelling to be sure to carry Shovel, blankets, sleeping bag, extra clothing including scarf, dry socks and a 24 hour supply of food and drink, a de-icer, 5 kgs: of rock salt a torch and spare battery a first aid kit and jump leads - I felt a right prat on the bus this morning,

[JDNSW]

Australia simply does not have weather like this North American experience. this is because we are insulated from the worst effects of polar air by thousands of kilometres of the southern ocean. This might not be very warm, but is never below freezing.

Go to North America, and you can (and sometimes do) have a surface covered with ice or snow all the way from the north pole to the Mexican border (and beyond). And if you get a prolonged NW wind, the surface temperature just keeps dropping and it keeps getting colder.

[Tins]

Good thing we had that extreme heat the other day or nobody would believe it's summer... well, except for Melburnians.

182969

[Saitch]

Australia simply does not have weather like this North American experience. this is because we are insulated from the worst effects of polar air by thousands of kilometres of the southern ocean. This might not be very warm, but is never below freezing.

Go to North America, and you can (and sometimes do) have a surface covered with ice or snow all the way from the north pole to the Mexican border (and beyond). And if you get a prolonged NW wind, the surface temperature just keeps dropping and it keeps getting colder.

John, may I use this post as a defence in my not wanting to go to North America, Canada and Alaska, later this year, as my dear wife has planned?[bigsmile1]

[JDNSW]

John, may I use this post as a defence in my not wanting to go to North America, Canada and Alaska, later this year, as my dear wife has planned?[bigsmile1]

You may, although it is perhaps not really a problem from about the beginning of June to the end of September.

[3toes]

Easily solved by careful use of error of omission in messaging

[Tins]

John, may I use this post as a defence in my not wanting to go to North America, Canada and Alaska, later this year, as my dear wife has planned?[bigsmile1]

Show her this, Steve.


https://youtu.be/4H79ziD7WCY

[Tins]

They're at it again. 35°C is NOT "Extreme heat". Even here, in the cooler than Melbourne Dandenongs 40°C is not uncommon at this time of year. 35°C is a nice day.

[DiscoDB]

They're at it again. 35°C is NOT "Extreme heat". Even here, in the cooler than Melbourne Dandenongs 40°C is not uncommon at this time of year. 35°C is a nice day.

That is just click bait by media organisations that don’t understand the BOM warning ratings.

There is no Extreme Heatwave warning in Victoria at present. Yes, there is a current heatwave warning but it is not rated “Extreme” as some parts of the media would state.

[Tins]

That is just click bait by media organisations that don’t understand the BOM warning ratings.



Thank you for making my point for me.

[DiscoDB]

There is also an anomaly with iPhone which brings up an “Extreme Heat” warning based on what appears to be the US definition for Extreme Heat - which in some parts can be defined as 2-3 days in a row above 90degF (32degC).

This seems to be a coding error on Apple devices, probably coded to suit US weather alerts but then linking to the BOM alerts.

[Tins]

There is also an anomaly with iPhone which brings up an “Extreme Heat” warning based on what appears to be the US definition for Extreme Heat - which in some parts can be defined as 2-3 days in a row above 90degF (32degC).

This seems to be a coding error on Apple devices, probably coded to suit US weather alerts but then linking to the BOM alerts.

That's true. I hadn't considered if it was coding or 's previous use of the Weather Channel, which they don't seem to use now. However, look at the bottom of this pic to see who issued the alert. Don't think it's fair to blame 

189255

[DiscoDB]

The BOM and Weatherzone apps use the words “Heatwave Warning”. Only Apple appears to rename it as “Extreme Heat”.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240310/9241de65914cac5be9e0f36068492d7c.jpg

Click on the link to the offical BOM alert and you will find it differs to what Apple used, including the threat level and recommended advice.

[Tins]

The BOM and Weatherzone apps use the words “Heatwave Warning”. Only Apple appears to rename it as “Extreme Heat”.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240310/9241de65914cac5be9e0f36068492d7c.jpg

Click on the link to the offical BOM alert and you will find it differs to what Apple used.

I have that app as well. Are you saying that Apple invented the BOM reference in the pic I posted?

[DiscoDB]

I have that app as well. Are you saying that Apple invented the BOM reference in the pic I posted?

Yes - I am saying they have modified the official statement. They have even changed the safety advice. Probably a case of merging US coding with the BOM alerts. The link to the offical alert is correct.

[disco gazza]

Tassie has had a heatwave warning for the last 3 days and we've still got today and tomorrow as well.
Here in Ulverstone the temp has been around 24-25 degrees and they call that a heatwave down here.
Yes it does feel warm when your out in the garden or walking around the streets,but its a lot better than the high 30's- low 40's with high humidity that is common in Sydney during the summer early autumm period.
Me thinks the "bom" has gone to woke for its on good, no wonder all the farmers and others have gone to
more professional services for there weather forecasts.

cheers
DG

[Tins]

Yes - I am saying they have modified the official statement. They have even changed the safety advice. Probably a case of merging US coding with the BOM alerts. The link to the offical alert is correct.

Fair enough. Maybe they have. Their app is not the only place I have seen the "Extreme Heat" warning. Maybe more people use Apple than we think.

Unconnected with this particular topic, I tend to agree with DG about the BOM though. I lost all respect for them when it became clear they were manipulating the data, when they are expected to be unbiased and apolitical. So, about 15 years ago. I'll go no further here, or it'll be CA.

[4bee]

Fair enough. Maybe they have. Their app is not the only place I have seen the "Extreme Heat" warning. Maybe more people use Apple than we think.

Unconnected with this particular topic, I tend to agree with DG about the BOM though. I lost all respect for them when it became clear they were manipulating the data, when they are expected to be unbiased and apolitical. So, about 15 years ago. I'll go no further here, or it'll be CA. .... oR Gaol, not Jail.



It was often believed that BOM picked the Horse Racing results while the Racing mob picked the Weather Forecasts. Makes sense to me the way both **** up their Jobs. :bat: [bigrolf]

[Tins]

.... oR Gaol, not Jail.



It was often believed that BOM picked the Horse Racing results while the Racing mob picked the Weather Forecasts. Makes sense to me the way both **** up their Jobs. :bat: [bigrolf]

So, don't take Cup tips from them either?

[4bee]

[QUOTE=Tins;3219297]So, don't take Cup tips from them either?[/QUOTE


Perzactly. My next one will be my first. Not even on Adelaide Cup Day (today)[bigsad][bigrolf]

[3toes]

Think it is the media. Here in the UK since December we have had what seem like constant headlines saying that we are going to have a snow bomb in a couple of days which will stay and cause travel disruption for the next 2 weeks

So far (and snow can arrive until the end of March) we have had ……. one day where there was snow from midnight and it was melted and gone by lunch time

Perhaps someone should dust off the story the little boy who cried wolf and add it to the training program

[Tins]

Perhaps someone should dust off the story the little boy who cried wolf and add it to the training program

They're all too wrapped up in Henny Penny* and the sky is falling...


*Chicken Little to our North American friends.

[4bee]

They're all too wrapped up in Henny Penny* and the sky is falling...


*Chicken Little to our North American friends.


Even here in the cooler AD Hills they get it wrong so many times. ""Horrific fires expected
& then bugger all happens. & all that sort of guff.


CFS adore it, it seems.
I only go to their site so I can tell what day it is. :Thump::Rolling:

[4bee]

They're all too wrapped up in Henny Penny* and the sky is falling...


*Chicken Little to our North American friends.



Or a little sign saying like " Please do not read the following Safety Warning 'cos it is all Bollocks." :rulez: [bighmmm]

[Tins]

'cos it is all Bollocks." :rulez: [bighmmm]

Don't get me started, Des. I haven't had an infraction for two years now....:soapbox: [bigwhistle]

[4bee]

Don't get me started, Des. I haven't had an infraction for two years now....:soapbox: [bigwhistle]


Infraction? Interesting word, Is it code for summat else & unmentionable here?:Rolling:

PS. I got one of those & by Mistake too. **** happens.[bighmmm][smilebigeye]