Worst Diesel Engine on the Planet?

[p38arover]

For you TDV6 owners:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3moekbW6z8

[p38arover]

See also:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGvQAbM_YQY

[Spel1]

Off topic, but.. That was a hugely entertaining video, thanks p38. I don't have a TDV6, but their delivery was riveting and fun. Also, I have never liked Castrol - in my mind it always evaporates quicker than other oils. Not my trusty old 3.9 RRC which doesn't consume oil, but in my 2011 Audi A4 1.8t - I went from spec 0-30 Castrol to 5-30, now 10-40 Penrite and it uses so much less oil per 1000km. Yes I know the B8 engine is flawed, but every bit helps. Was interesting to hear the specs for the oil types which I never usually pay attention to.

[Tins]

For you TDV6 owners:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3moekbW6z8

That explanation of the oil supply to the big ends is a real eye opener.

[Bulletman]

5w dumbass oil... what a classic line.

Bulletman

[Tins]

5w dumbass oil... what a classic line.

Bulletman

Who says the Germans don't have a sense of humour?

[Tombie]

That explanation of the oil supply to the big ends is a real eye opener.

Not entirely uncommon though, and purely his hypothesis. in bearing design you have the bearing surface and opposed to it what is referred to as the reservoir. As long as that remains there is no issue.

Oil pressure and volume are more important. So about the only real thing to take away from his rant is - change your oil pump when you do belts (or if your pressures are low)

[ozscott]

Belts intervals are what, every 100k? If you can pick up a low K D3/4 with zealous oil changes (and close to or below 100k) and then treat it the same way and do the oil pump replacement then and then with belts it might be a keeper. Cheers

[incisor]

Not entirely uncommon though, and purely his hypothesis. in bearing design you have the bearing surface and opposed to it what is referred to as the reservoir. As long as that remains there is no issue.

Oil pressure and volume are more important. So about the only real thing to take away from his rant is - change your oil pump when you do belts (or if your pressures are low)

volume creates pressure... as i am sure you are probably aware

these motors are pretty rock solid in ford territories and the major difference appears to be the flywheel weight and thickness. not the mention the territory has belt changes at 10 years or 165000 for the timing belt and 245000 for the fuel pump belt.

when doing belts it appears your best doing oil pump, water pump as well as the belts

penrite recommend 5w-40 after the vehicle is out of warranty, which is what peugot and the other european partners recommended for use in temps above 30deg Celsius back in the day.

and thats what i am using in mine [biggrin]

[scarry]

It will be very interesting to see how the V6 goes in the new model Ranger,and what changes have actually been done.
The have dropped oil changes back to 15,00Km/12 months,which is a good start.

[Discodicky]

volume creates pressure... as i am sure you are probably aware

these motors are pretty rock solid in ford territories and the major difference appears to be the flywheel weight and thickness. not the mention the territory has belt changes at 10 years or 165000 for the timing belt and 245000 for the fuel pump belt.

when doing belts it appears your best doing oil pump, water pump as well as the belts

penrite recommend 5w-40 after the vehicle is out of warranty, which is what peugot and the other european partners recommended for use in temps above 30deg Celsius back in the day.

and thats what i am using in mine [biggrin]

There is an old "given" when discussing hydraulics (as for example used in earthmoving equipment) : If you increase the flow, then the pressure decreases, and vice versa.

[DiscoDB]

So about the only real thing to take away from his rant is - change your oil pump when you do belts (or if your pressures are low)

It was a rant wasn’t it - a lot of vile and hatred which was totally out of character. I suspect he has lost his passion for Land Rovers.

Must be playing it up for the Toyota owners. [emoji48]

Anyway - credit where credit is due - good to see he does read LR forums and learn something from the experts. As the saying goes - “Land Rovers - turning owners into mechanics since 1948.” [emoji847]

[BradC]

these motors are pretty rock solid in ford territories and the major difference appears to be the flywheel weight and thickness.

To be fair, the motor in the Terry is of the same age/generation as the 2.7 D4, and they don't seem to break either. Aside from the oil pump housing, there must have been some evolution over the 2.7 production life as the later they get the less they seem to have bearing/crank issues.

As for flywheel, is the flex plate in the Terry materially different to the flexplate in the Disco? I know the dual mass flywheel in my D3 weighs a lot more than the flexplate, but it still snapped a crank before it hit 80,000 Miles. I wonder how the DMF/Clutch weight compares to the flexplate/torque converter?

[ozscott]

To be fair, the motor in the Terry is of the same age/generation as the 2.7 D4, and they don't seem to break either. Aside from the oil pump housing, there must have been some evolution over the 2.7 production life as the later they get the less they seem to have bearing/crank issues.

As for flywheel, is the flex plate in the Terry materially different to the flexplate in the Disco? I know the dual mass flywheel in my D3 weighs a lot more than the flexplate, but it still snapped a crank before it hit 80,000 Miles. I wonder how the DMF/Clutch weight compares to the flexplate/torque converter?Changing the oil pump with the belt wouldn't have helped that 2.7 [emoji23]. I can laugh because I assume it would have been warrantied at those k's.

I don't know that he has lost his passion. The frustration probably evidences his passion. I have been there as I am sure many have. That feeling of why couldn't they have just made (insert component) to last because the vehicle is so fantastic when it works.

Cheers

[DiscoDB]

I don't know that he has lost his passion. The frustration probably evidences his passion. I have been there as I am sure many have. That feeling of why couldn't they have just made (insert component) to last because the vehicle is so fantastic when it works.


I get this, but if he stopped using the cheapest parts he can find and having to change them out twice he may find it lasts longer and works better.

All makes for good videos but it is not always good advice.

I do wonder though what was the trigger for this rant and why is he suddenly jumping on the worst engine design bandwagon if it isn’t purely to be click bait.

[BradC]

Changing the oil pump with the belt wouldn't have helped that 2.7 [emoji23]. I can laugh because I assume it would have been warrantied at those k's.

Nope. A late 2007 build, UK registered and then personal import to Aus. It popped the crank in about 2011/2. The couple that owned it were relocating back to the UK and sold it on the back of the flatbed to a mechanic who "did it up". I didn't buy it until 2017 and there was another owner between me and the mechanic. When I traced back and asked the mechanic who sorted it whether it was a timing or crank failure they said it was definitely a crank. I'm told it has a second hand engine of similar mileage from a write off.