TD5 clutch, Transmission woes....

[3 Lions]

Hi all,

Probably a few years since I posted on here.... anyhow.

Right I understand the saying 'No such thing as a silly Question' but anyhow, I'm not a mechanic, and have limited knowledge on how it goes, do basic servicing, repairs etc.. and as 'Moriarty' said to 'Oddball' in Kelly's Heroes 'I only ride them, I don't know what makes them work'

So coming back from a weekend away camping on Sun afternoon I lost all power on the freeway all of a sudden, managed to get over to the hard shoulder off the main freeway.
Upon engaging the clutch into gear, was making a nasty noise, no drive/power in any gear upon releasing the clutch. Engine still runs okay, ended up getting flat bedded home with Defender and trailer.

So am thinking clutch has s**t itself possibly, hoping not gearbox???

My questions are:

(A) Is there any way of telling whether it is the clutch before getting it trucked to a mechanics or is it a case of they won't know until it's there and stripped down.

(B) If it is the clutch and hasn't done any more, worse damage am I better off upgrading to a heavier Duty clutch, dual mass plate?

It has done a bit of towing in its life not a great deal, but possibly in next 6 months may start to be doing a bit heavier towing a lot more regularly all the time.

It is a Nov 2006 110, 155km on the clock, ECU was chipped/remapped by a guy on here from Whyalla (Tombie?) years ago if that makes any difference...

I look forward to some advice from the more knowledgeable folk on this site!!

Kind Regards,

Col

[discorevy]

I'd be making sure it hasn't just jumped out of high range first

[Tins]

I'd be making sure it hasn't just jumped out of high range first


When I had just fitted a trans, in the dirt, on my back, with assorted issues, and finally drove the thing it went bang, and failed to proceed.... after copious swearing I gave it about 5 seconds of rational thought and tried the H/L lever. Phew!

[3 Lions]

Sorry, have checked that already and again...Is firmly in High Range.When it is in neutral and depress the clutch is makes the funny noises, before even selecting a gear. Put it in gear and release clutch and nothing......

[Tins]

OK, what happens if you engage 4WD? Just trying to eliminate the rear diff and axles. If it moves, well....

Otherwise it sounds like the gearbox is coming out regardless. 2006, so it's a TD5? R380 box? R380s are sensitive to low oil. A highway failure is quite possible due to overheating. This happened to one of ours due to a cooler leak. As you can see, it got rather hot, and the failure was sudden:
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A clutch failure isn't impossible, but they usually fail when setting off when they are under the most pressure, not when just driving along. I take it there was no clutch slipping prior to this event?

[3 Lions]

OK, what happens if you engage 4WD? Just trying to eliminate the rear diff and axles. If it moves, well....

Otherwise it sounds like the gearbox is coming out regardless. 2006, so it's a TD5? R380 box? R380s are sensitive to low oil. A highway failure is quite possible due to overheating. This happened to one of ours due to a cooler leak. As you can see, it got rather hot, and the failure was sudden:
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A clutch failure isn't impossible, but they usually fail when setting off when they are under the most pressure, not when just driving along. I take it there was no clutch slipping prior to this event?

It actually looks like this could be the case mate.....

[3 Lions]

Okay an update...

finally found a LR garage close to me who could fit it in and was prepared to work on it. Got it trucked there, a week later he rang me and i visited, gearbox was out, main shaft snapped. His suggestion was that there could, prob ably would be a lot more damage inside, and the easier, potentially cheaper option would be a reco gearbox, with 18 month warranty for $3700, my only stipulation was that as long as it was from a reputable gearbox resupplier?

So I agree on this, 2 weeks later no contact still, I pop into see him, as im getting concerned as I've heard nothing and he had indicated it would not take long, despite me stating a couple of times I was in no particular rush and would rather him take his time then him be pressured and under the pump to return it to me asap.

He is typically under the pump, workshop full, my Landie still up in the air on one of the two four poster hoists. We have a brief chat and he mentions about the gearbox external cooker pipes and the replacement defender gearbox not having the external fittings to be able to have these pipes fitted?? He then asks to i do a lot of towing??.....

I do not have a chance to have a proper discussion as he clearly does not have time.....

My worry, concern now is that as i understand , ROW and Aust TD5 Defenders had these fitted as standard and UK spec didn't. I think he is angling to not fit these as he cant with the box he has purchased, will these make a huge difference not fitted? I understand that the bigger , more capacity for oil the better lubrication, cooling, and i don't want to make it more susceptible to overheating in the future..... What other options do I have for better cooling/lubrication... I strongly suspect I have had a loss of oil as in the above post...

Kind Regards,

Col

[3 Lions]

Hoping someone has any advice with the oil cooler pipes scenario.

Ive had this TD5 from 39km, has never been worked hard or towed hard, now has 155km on clock....

But to be honest im a Pom and love my Land Rovers..but this has done **** all kms, but has had a new Turbo, new fuel pump and now am looking at a clutch and gearbox... I'm getting to the stage of getting fixed and moving away, on from LR...something i thought id never say.

[Tins]

If your R380 had cooler pipes then there should be an adapter on the side of it, PN FTC2687. These things are rather costly so you will want him to take yours off the box and install it on the new one.

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[ashtrans]

as above, all R380's are drilled to accept an oil cooler, if you don't have one, ie UK and Europe spec you just fit an oil loop, don't blank the holes off, the oil must flow from one to the other

[DazzaTD5]

on a Defender, TD5, R380
Australian spec did not have a transmission cooler, most have the side adaptor as noted with the pipes running to the front of the engine and doing a loop back.
Some in place of the cooler pipe adaptor had a bypass adaptor (so no pipe loop), as noted so oil flows from one hole to another.
FTC2104 is likely what your replacement gearbox has in place of the cooler pipe adaptor, both are inter-changeable.


Discovery 2 TD5, R380 has the cooler pipe adaptor and pipes running to a front cooler and back.