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[Pedro_The_Swift]

Anyone know anything about these...
Yes its an Isuzu.
yes its a V10 diesel.. supposedly 330HP?
from 1988 actually
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[Pedro_The_Swift]

I figure its based on "Super Cruiser HD P-LV719R"

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[V8Ian]

Bet it's dear to run.
I'll make some enquiries, if you're seriously considering it, Pedro.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

240K on speedo, low K Jap import, has had recent injector service, and compression on all those cylinders were "good"
fuel rate towing a DMax is 28L per 100.
Which is 3.5 kays per litre.
Which is about what the BSL got...[bigrolf]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Any observations on fuel runs with late 80's coaches?


Owner ( who is just up the road in Waikerie) says it had a service 5k ago, also new front brakes then, a Pit inspection found rears were good. Next set of filters come with it.

[V8Ian]

Did you catch up with Digger while you were there?

[V8Ian]

Any observations on fuel runs with late 80's coaches?


Owner ( who is just up the road in Waikerie) says it had a service 5k ago, also new front brakes then, a Pit inspection found rears were good. Next set of filters come with it.
How long's a piece of string?
European: Scania, Volvo, Mercedes, MAN.
Will be amongst the best, but Merc rating is based on very small equine species.

USA: Cummins, Detroit, Caterpillar.
Cummins L10 and M11 will be up with the Euros, but I think the Merc engineers rated the L10's horsepower. N14 is a great engine but would never be considered for an economy run in this segment.
Detroit Series 60 are very economical but getting old, parts are dear and can be hard to find. Don't even think of a V6 or V8 Detroit unless you own an oil well or two.
Caterpillar 3208, an honest plodder but getting rare. Cat haven't made road transport engines for about ten years.
Japanese, Hino entered this segment earlier than their Asian competition, but all Japanese engines seemed to rely on large cubic numbers to achieve respectable horsepower figures for the advertising brochures. Reliable, yes, overengineered, yes, torque, all talk, is there a word for torque in Japanese?

There are so many variables contributing to economy and at 15~20 tonnes those variables are so much wider than they are with smaller vehicles. The greatest influence on economy is driving style but uncontrollable factors such as terrain and weather are also major considerations. Anyone who has driven a truck across the Nullabour or Barkley knows that there is always a headwind, regardless of which way they are driving.

For this segment, 10~12 litres @ 200~250 hp seems to be the sweet spot, others may have different opinions.
I'd like to see some input from Tins, he has more experience than me.

[Tins]

Dunno if you do FB, Pedro... Log in to Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/930780893762477/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=2586951181478765)


My experience here is mainly with the Swedes, and Detroit two bangers. Detroits sound awesome, for as long as you can pay for the fuel. Mostly they also had crash boxes, which can be tiresome if you don't have the experience.

The Scania 93 series are cheap to run ( relatively of course ), but quite underpowered. The 113 are better. ( the 9 means 9 litre, 11 logically means 11 litre. The 3 is the series. ) Fuel is about the same if you drive sedately, as the bigger engine has to do less work for the same result. Straight six, good torque. Scania engines had individual heads for each cylinder, which can make some repairs cheaper. Scania gearboxes from that era were pretty reliable, way better than the fancy later ones. Never tried an auto. If you choose to buy one they were sent here as a complete chassis kit. The coachbuilders varied hugely. IMO if you could find one from NorthCoast or MotorCoach you would be happy, regardless if Scania or Volvo.
MAN and Benz have reduction hubs, which could be getting expensive to fix these days, but don't quote me.

I agree with Ian re the Japanese offerings of the era. Spent a week in a Hino in Thailand ( in true Thai fashion it was badged as a Volvo,, but the badge was the only Ovlov part on it ) and it was gutless and rode terribly. Something else the Swedes do oh so well is the ride. Airbags all round, and they handle well also.

Unless you go heavy I would avoid the Tag axle variants. They have pros and cons, but seem to me to be an unnecessary complication for a motorhome. But again, that's down to the weight.

These are just some quick thoughts. But if I was going down this route I'd pick a Scania, with the body from the builders I mentioned if I could find one. The 113 would have had around 320-350 HP depending, the 93 maybe 230-270. I can't help with actual fuel figures as I wasn't paying....

[Tins]

Mercedes, MAN.
Will be amongst the best, but Merc rating is based on very small equine species.



Merc, MAN, peas in a pod.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I just tried to explain 19L to Diane with milk cartons and scared myself....:o

[V8Ian]

I just tried to explain 19L to Diane with milk cartons and scared myself....:o
:Rolling:
Cummins KT? You'll need at least a tag. [biggrin]

[Tins]

I just tried to explain 19L to Diane with milk cartons and scared myself....:o

Try XXXX cans next time...

[BradC]

I just tried to explain 19L to Diane with milk cartons and scared myself....:o

I get nervous around any piston larger than my head.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Already driven it home!! 6speed syncro, might have been the wind, or the runnels in the road, or the newb driver but man does this thing wander....
sits on 1850rpm at 100.
The previous owner has been collecting engine info and has left a nice fat folder.
The solar power is amazing.. 2.5Kw of solar, and this---

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[DiscoDB]

Pedro the Silver Fox!

[scarry]

Already driven it home!! 6speed syncro, might have been the wind, or the runnels in the road, or the newb driver but man does this thing wander....
sits on 1850rpm at 100.
The previous owner has been collecting engine info and has left a nice fat folder.
The solar power is amazing.. 2.5Kw of solar, and this---

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188467

Looks good,replacing the RRS for touring?

Note:stay on the black top,or concrete,particularly in caravan parks.[smilebigeye]

That one our friends had,i recon we helped recover it more times than i have fingers[bigsad][biggrin]

[V8Ian]

He bought an...Isuzu! :eek2:

[incisor]

EBBSL 🧐

[scarry]

He bought an...Isuzu! :eek2:

The 4BD1 was probably the most reliable diesel ever fitted to an LR....

So all should be good[bigrolf]

[V8Ian]

The 4BD1 was probably the most reliable diesel ever fitted to an LR....

So all should be good[bigrolf]
So it's five Perente engines, all joined up? [biggrin]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Cannot get rid of the RRS...
So its now sort of a Pre-runner, rather than another rego and more $$ for a suitable trailer that may or may not keep me under the 4T towing cap on the Isuzu.
Think along the lines of Smokey and The Bandit [bigrolf][tonguewink]

[Slunnie]

Anyone know anything about these...
Yes its an Isuzu.
yes its a V10 diesel.. supposedly 330HP?
from 1988 actually
188371

Very nice!

[p38arover]

Pedro, did you end up towing the L494 or did you get rid of it?

If towing, is it trailered or flat-towed?

If flat-towed, do you have to disconnect the propshaft or just put the transfer case and gearbox into neutral?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The bus is QLD Mod plated for ONE seat,, because it only has ONE seatbelt,, how the previous owners traveled is a mystery..
Diane and the dogs will clear the way ahead in the RRS...