What do you think? Wheel Nuts

[101RRS]

My car has the standard LR 18" alloy wheels with the original wheel nuts. Over the years of ownership I have had a few of the stainless covers on the wheel nuts slip and I have replaced them with originals.

Thankfully all these have happened in the driveway where I have the tools to get the nuts off. During the week I had to replace some CV boots and had to remove a wheel where on of the covers again failed despite using a proper wheel brace with 6 point socket.

I thought what would happen if I was out on the road and got a flat and was not able to get the wheel nut off with the tools I had so I thought I would replace all wheel nuts with solid ones.

I went online and spotted these 20 x Extreme 14x1.5 Alloy Wheel Lug Nut fit Landrover Discovery Series 3 4 & 5 (https://www.bits4blokes.com.au/products/20-x-extreme-14x1.5-alloy-wheel-lug-nut-fit-landro) and ordered 20.

I received them and they looked good but then compared them with the originals.

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They area about 8mm shorter than the originals which is all in the threads. The new ones still have about 12mm contact with the stud threads compared with the originals about 20mm.

So what do you think? Is the 12mm contact enough (safe?) or should I return them?

Thanks

Garry

[DiscoJeffster]

My car has the standard LR 18" alloy wheels with the original wheel nuts. Over the years of ownership I have had a few of the stainless covers on the wheel nuts slip and I have replaced them with originals.

Thankfully all these have happened in the driveway where I have the tools to get the nuts off. During the week I had to replace some CV boots and had to remove a wheel where on of the covers again failed despite using a proper wheel brace with 6 point socket.

I thought what would happen if I was out on the road and got a flat and was not able to get the wheel nut off with the tools I had so I thought I would replace all wheel nuts with solid ones.

I went online and spotted these 20 x Extreme 14x1.5 Alloy Wheel Lug Nut fit Landrover Discovery Series 3 4 & 5 (https://www.bits4blokes.com.au/products/20-x-extreme-14x1.5-alloy-wheel-lug-nut-fit-landro) and ordered 20.

I received them and they looked good but then compared them with the originals.

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They area about 8mm shorter than the originals which is all in the threads. The new ones still have about 12mm contact with the stud threads compared with the originals about 20mm.

So what do you think? Is the 12mm contact enough (safe?) or should I return them?

Thanks

Garry

My brain is working overtime on this (blame the wine), but there are two important mating faces of the nut I believe.

The first is the flat face pulling the wheel against the hub. The second is the tapered face which centres the lug on the wheel (as much as the wheel self centres itself via the central bore locator/matching wheel to hub size.

In this case, isn’t the flat face going to meet with the wheel, but the taper will be sitting away from the matching taper of the wheel?? This sounds bad to me!!!

[DiscoDB]

The general rule is you need as a minimum the same depth of thread engagement as the diameter. So for a 14x1.5 stud you should get a minimum of 9.33 full turns.

You will however find plenty say 6-7 full turns is enough.

Interesting that the original is much more than this. The original design is then probably based on 1.5 times the diameter - which would be considered a good practice (as it exceeds the minimum).

[LRD414]

I would return those and purchase from Tuffant

TuffNuts for Alloys - 14x1.5 (pack of 5) | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/tuffnuts-for-alloys-14x1-5-pack-of-5)

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/3f16be_f53868c0db80493484bcaa57ec0d8d17~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_479,h_575,al_c,lg_1,q_80,enc_auto/3f16be_f53868c0db80493484bcaa57ec0d8d17~mv2.jpg

[Eric SDV6SE]

Id check the taper of the tuffants as well. The ones youve bought seem a bit longer in the lug body, but they are short where it maters. Check the material grade as well, should be minimum Gr8, better G10.

The UK suppliers like Rimmers and Terra Firma do full steel lug nuts as well, perhaps check them out?

[Graeme]

The general rule is you need as a minimum the same depth of thread engagement as the diameter. So for a 14x1.5 stud you should get a minimum of 9.33 full turns.Not just a general rule, it's a legal requirement.

[Narangga]

I would return those and purchase from Tuffant

TuffNuts for Alloys - 14x1.5 (pack of 5) | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/tuffnuts-for-alloys-14x1-5-pack-of-5)

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/3f16be_f53868c0db80493484bcaa57ec0d8d17~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_479,h_575,al_c,lg_1,q_80,enc_auto/3f16be_f53868c0db80493484bcaa57ec0d8d17~mv2.jpg

Great bit of kit and definitely worth the extra money. :BigThumb:

[Graeme]

Some time ago I bought an after-market set supposedly LR specs. However the threads were very sloppy so I subsequently purchased enough replacement OEM nuts ex Duckworths (UK) and keep the sloppy ones strictly for emergency use.

[101RRS]

The second is the tapered face which centres the lug on the wheel (as much as the wheel self centres itself via the central bore locator/matching wheel to hub size.

In this case, isn’t the flat face going to meet with the wheel, but the taper will be sitting away from the matching taper of the wheel?? This sounds bad to me!!!

The taper has nothing to do with tightening the wheel - the hole in the wheel is cylindrical - no taper at the bottom. The taper on the bottom of the nut is just to guide the wheel to the correct position when tightening.

Cheers

Garry

[DiscoJeffster]

The taper has nothing to do with tightening the wheel - the hole in the wheel is cylindrical - no taper at the bottom. The taper on the bottom of the nut is just to guide the wheel to the correct position when tightening.

Cheers

Garry

Yes, now you say it and now I’m sober I can see it. Cheers Garry.

[101RRS]

I would return those and purchase from Tuffant

TuffNuts for Alloys - 14x1.5 (pack of 5) | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/product-page/tuffnuts-for-alloys-14x1-5-pack-of-5)

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/3f16be_f53868c0db80493484bcaa57ec0d8d17~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_479,h_575,al_c,lg_1,q_80,enc_auto/3f16be_f53868c0db80493484bcaa57ec0d8d17~mv2.jpg

They are the same nuts as I have.

[DiscoJeffster]

They are the same nuts as I have.

What do you mean? You said you had factory and then bought some new ones off eBay? The link you shared isn’t for these?

[101RRS]

What do you mean? You said you had factory and then bought some new ones off eBay? The link you shared isn’t for these?

Do you think Tuff Ant make their own nuts? I did not say I bought off ebay - I bought online from a supplier in Melbourne. The Tuff Ant nuts are the same as I got off my supplier.

[DiscoJeffster]

Do you think Tuff Ant make their own nuts? I did not say I bought off ebay - I bought online from a supplier in Melbourne. The Tuff Ant nuts are the same as I got off my supplier.

Sorry. You linked to “bits for blokes”

I’m not sure how you think these are the same? End profile different a little? Length??

Tuffant
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240303/d785234e55ef9f78aeb3a67a73c7fcaa.jpg

Your picture

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[DiscoDB]

These are the dimensions for the original LR nuts:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240303/3b96ad6a08973897423020a2a90fc123.jpg

These are the dimensions for an aftermarket solid steel nut which match the LR dimensions and look to be the same style as the Tuffant nuts:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240303/775b83040cf853cfb84c02936a81474b.jpg

And these are an alternative which have a shorter shank and similar to the style sold by Bits4Blokes:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240303/2e0ebb695a88819209b4d1e484e5e390.jpg

What is not shown is the dimension for the threaded section within the shorter shank nut. As long as there is enough additional thread, and the stud sits proud of the rim to give a starter thread, then they may achieve the minimum 9.33 turns with a thinner hub rim.

[LRD414]

The Tuff Ant nuts are the same as I got off my supplier.
Not the same at all. The Tuffant nuts have matching dimensions to the factory nuts in every respect, except they’re solid where the socket sits. The thread length, taper and shoulder are all the same as factory

[DieselLSE]

Not the same at all. The Tuffant nuts have matching dimensions to the factory nuts in every respect, except they’re solid where the socket sits. The thread length, taper and shoulder are all the same as factory
Yep. If you want solids (and you should because they're fail safe) go Tuffant.

[101RRS]

Well the feedback on the Tuffant Nuts seems overwhelming so I will have to concede to the points made. I have emailed the seller on the nuts so will wait to see what they have to say.

Thanks for all the input.

Garry

[LR1953]

Friends, may I chime in?
I think the taper on the end of the shank would allow use of this nut to fasten a pressed steel wheel if necessary, say a non-standard, or speed-limited spare.
Cheers, rob S

[loanrangie]

Friends, may I chime in?
I think the taper on the end of the shank would allow use of this nut to fasten a pressed steel wheel if necessary, say a non-standard, or speed-limited spare.
Cheers, rob S

I have seen them used as such but as there was no steel wheel option apart from a space saver in some markets i'm not sure they were designed for it.

[Tombie]

Those shorter nuts are incorrect, that guys been taken to task before. They arent right. Send 'em back

[Tins]

Dunno about you, but I only want my wheels to come off when I take them off. I've had it happen the other way and it is NOT fun.

This vid is OT, so watch it or not, but Eric has stern words about ebay parts 26:00


https://youtu.be/smux_8uumFU'si=hk1Q0IMZip-kp2vF&t=1560