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[scrambler]

For debate:

I got into Land Rovers by mistake. My original thought was to buy a 40 Series Toyota (and I hope I don't get sent to the Mud Pit for saying that out loud). In those days of my ignorance I thought that Land Rovers didn't rust and that old Toyotas did.

Now I've discovered that 40 Series Toyotas are essentially impervious to body rust - because all of their body panels, including tub, have been replaced by fibreglass. Then, apparently, they are underpowered so you have to put in a 351 Chev V8 just to get around, with uprated everything. I gather the original axle housings are ok.

In short, for the extra money it turns out that while a 25 year old Land Rover is actually 25 years old, probably down to the exhaust system, a 25+ year old Toyota is only about 5 years old taking the average of the age of its parts.

Makes you wonder whether the Land Rovers are such good value after all.

Steve

[Frenchie]

:eek:

[one_iota]

:lol2:

I think that we will need the AULRO Actuary to argue this one;)

[numpty]

For debate:

In short, for the extra money it turns out that while a 25 year old Land Rover is actually 25 years old, probably down to the exhaust system, a 25+ year old Toyota is only about 5 years old taking the average of the age of its parts.

Makes you wonder whether the Land Rovers are such good value after all.

Steve

Steve,
I reckon that argument is good only if you are buying.
If you own a 25yr old Landie, it is 25yrs old.
If you own a 25yr old Toyo...it is only good for sardine cans by then anyway!!

Numpty's missus ( who really should join under her own name)

[Ace]

Yeah but the poor bugger who bought that cruiser in the first place and spent all that money changing it would have been better buying a 25yr old landy and running is standard (still better than the modded cruiser, maybe not as quick but as good off road) and saved the money he spent doing the cruiser up to buy camping gear, fuel and beer. :D

[scrambler]

Numpty's missus,

You are clearly a woman of discernment. After dipping my toes in the Landie waters I'm not going back to any Japanese imitators.

My point was that we all know Toyos rust, but the solution the misguided owners use is to replace the rust with fibreglass panels. So when you buy an old one, you are often buying what amounts to a fibreglass reproduction of a Toyo, quite possibly with a lot of non-standard parts.

Who would buy a fibreglass 4wd new? So why do people buy them 2nd hand?

My other puzzle is why people say Toyotas are reliable and then pay big bucks for vehicles that contain little more than Toyo axle casings and chassis with the rest replaced with assorted bits. Even if you buy an all-original example, no 20+ year old vehicle is reliable. Again - why are people paying so much money for an obviously inferior product?

Steve

[scrambler]

Ace,

Was playing devil's advocate about the value.

I'll need to use a spicier title next time I try a debate topic!

Steve

[Ace]

Mate, i enjoy a good debate.

I will agree with you on the buying a toyo cause they are so reliable and then the first thing they do is go out and replace half of it. Doesnt make much sense to me. Matt

[LRHybrid100]

sshhhhhhh - dont tell everyone, or all the blinded Tojo / Nissan drivers will catch on!!!

I for one like being different - and annoying the Jap 4WD brigade.

LRH

[Yabbie]

For debate:

Then, apparently, they are underpowered so you have to put in a :bat: 351 Chev V8 :bat: just to get around, with uprated everything. I gather the original axle housings are ok.


I'll have to inform Chevrolet of the increase in engine size.

Unless of course it was a typo:whistling:

[scrambler]

Perhaps I'm talking though my hat Yabbie? Any other technical errors? Since I was overstating everything else...

Steve

[p38arover]

Umm, 350 Chev or 351 Ford?

Ron

[Ace]

Perhaps I'm talking though my hat Yabbie? Any other technical errors? Since I was overstating everything else...

Steve

Ignore the resident wooden spoon (as in stirrer) steve, he is a kid its his job. :D

[scrambler]

Thanks Ace, had picked that up about Yabbie, but since I wouldn't be able to tell a Chev from a Ford engine in the flesh either, not too troubled by it. No idea really what people throw in their Toymotors other than they seem to like large and American. Of course, Landie drivers would never have those sorts of thoughts... other than small-block American V8's built in UK and bored and stroked to 5L ... or huge Diesels ... ar anything they could fit, really.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Guys
Funny this subject pops up,I had the same conversation with Baz over many several pints after firewood cutting this arvo.
Baz is a tojo boy.
I pointed out my first 4x4 was a softop shorty forty with the obligatory 350 chev implant.He rekoned I went downhill from there.
I pointed out the tojo had 1 or 2 better points but it couldnt do what my first Landy,a shorty 88 with a 186 could do.Shame tojo shame,long live the Landy.
Andrew