Alloy coolant outlet for TDV6

[loanrangie]

These look good for the price.

A member of the UK FB group has just fitted one and says quality is good.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006782123571.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3 KYdERxSri4uCfjCscNa2WiJjK6Xb0VCAQLB_BkhzXLctbYOAO0 HWVeL8_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw

[Narangga]

These look good for the price.

A member of the UK FB group has just fitted one and says quality is good.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006782123571.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3 KYdERxSri4uCfjCscNa2WiJjK6Xb0VCAQLB_BkhzXLctbYOAO0 HWVeL8_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw

A tad more than the one I bought. TDV6 2.7 / 3.0L BILLET WATER OUTLET - Triumph Rover Spares (https://triumphroverspares.com.au/product/water-outlet/)

I don't do my own maintenance and so paying labour for a plastic one to be changed every 3 years (due to the heat up here) it has paid for itself. I note the Ali-express version is screwed together.

[loanrangie]

A tad more than the one I bought. TDV6 2.7 / 3.0L BILLET WATER OUTLET - Triumph Rover Spares (https://triumphroverspares.com.au/product/water-outlet/)

I don't do my own maintenance and so paying labour for a plastic one to be changed every 3 years (due to the heat up here) it has paid for itself. I note the Ali-express version is screwed together.

Its $52 inc postage versus $550 ? TRS one is also screwed together.

[Narangga]

Its $52 inc postage versus $550 ? TRS one is also screwed together.

Indeed it is. Mine is not screwed together. They did stop selling them for a while AFAIK so that may have been when they changed construction. I would say the $52 plus postage is no more of a lottery than using the plastic original part...

[loanrangie]

Indeed it is. Mine is not screwed together. They did stop selling them for a while AFAIK so that may have been when they changed construction. I would say the $52 plus postage is no more of a lottery than using the plastic original part...

Quite possibly, looks like they did a direct cast of the plastic part.

[Narangga]

That's what mine certainly looked like. Bought in August 2018.

[BradC]

I've just ordered one. ~$50 delivered. Frankly all it has to do is have adequately machine surfaces for the car side and decent seals between the two housing halves and it can't be more fragile than the OE plastic model.

[loanrangie]

I've just ordered one. ~$50 delivered. Frankly all it has to do is have adequately machine surfaces for the car side and decent seals between the two housing halves and it can't be more fragile than the OE plastic model.

Yep, i was going to buy one but i put a new genuine one on last year so shouldn't need one any time soon - good for a spare though.

[RANDLOVER]

Even new plastic ones can crack and leak a few days after installation!

[Tombie]

Even new plastic ones can crack and leak a few days after installation!

Not if done correctly...

[RANDLOVER]

Even new plastic ones can crack and leak a few days after installation!


Not if done correctly...

Not installed by me but my mechanic who's had 2 or 3 crack, and has looked after my Disco's for around 20 years and is an LR expert of over 30 years' experience, probably 40 years in the trade, even JLR send him cars and I mean both types, Jag's and LR's, I don't know what I'm going to do when he retires, I'll probably buy an electric car.

[PerthDisco]

That’s a pretty dodgy OEM manufacturer original part if true. I’m sure LR would have updated the part pretty quickly if so.

[Tombie]

Not installed by me but my mechanic who's had 2 or 3 crack, and has looked after my Disco's for around 20 years and is an LR expert of over 30 years' experience, probably 40 years in the trade, even JLR send him cars and I mean both types, Jag's and LR's, I don't know what I'm going to do when he retires, I'll probably buy an electric car.

A genuine part doesnt just do that - theyre more robust than that.

Overtension could do it, or misalignment. Or trying to torque it down with the threaded holes containing coolant will leave them out of tension / alignment.


Years arent a sign of quality either - not picking on your guy - we have 40 year experience engineers here and I wouldnt rate some of them

[Tins]

A genuine part doesnt just do that - theyre more robust than that.

Indeed. Even Lada did better.





Years arent a sign of quality either - not picking on your guy - we have 40 year experience engineers here and I wouldnt rate some of them

Who hasn't heard the proverbial "I've been driving for forty years and never" garbage. Also not picking on RL's guy.

[DazzaTD5]

IMHO...

*top coolant outlets often fail just after a timing belt has been done (if its not replaced) as the removal of the top coolant hose flexes it.
*obviously age/mileage, I recommend my customers get them changed out at that half way point between timing belt changes.
*I've not seen a genuine outlet fail after what was it a few weeks? must be flexing on that top outlet.

*the alloy ones that I have come across are complete ****, the bottom machine grove for the orings are poorly done, the outlet at the back for the fuel cooler oring is too big, EVERY one I have come across had sealant on it to try and stop it from leaking, one of the bolts has too be removed to fit one of the 4 bolts to the head.
*another workshop close to me said the same thing, they remove them and fit a genuine one.

[RANDLOVER]

That’s a pretty dodgy OEM manufacturer original part if true. I’m sure LR would have updated the part pretty quickly if so.


A genuine part doesnt just do that - theyre more robust than that...........

Not a genuine LR part but one from a big OEM outfit with over 100 years in business and a parts catalogue of over 40 000 parts, LR parts all the way back to 1948, massive market share in some items, and in some countries, up to 85% in one instance. My mechanic can't get any of them at the moment so maybe they had a bad batch, or used them up at quite a rate, if they had to replace a lot under warranty, or quietly withdrew them.

[Tombie]

Not a genuine LR part but one from a big OEM outfit with over 100 years in business and a parts catalogue of over 40 000 parts, LR parts all the way back to 1948, massive market share in some items, and in some countries, up to 85% in one instance. My mechanic can't get any of them at the moment so maybe they had a bad batch, or used them up at quite a rate, if they had to replace a lot under warranty, or quietly withdrew them.

Stop with the riddles and name the brand...

An OEM outfit doesnt necessarily "OEM" a certain marques parts - and at that point theyre a Pattern Part maker...

Given a Genuine part is like $120 why would anyone even consider an alternative...

[DiscoJeffster]

I still find it funny how we’ve normalised that these components are consumable. It really shouldn’t be hard to make a part to have a life longer than seven years.

[RANDLOVER]

Stop with the riddles and name the brand.......

The only way I'm going to be able to tell you is if I chew through my lawyer's hand over my mouth!

[DiscoDB]

Not a genuine LR part but one from a big OEM outfit with over 100 years in business and a parts catalogue of over 40 000 parts, LR parts all the way back to 1948, massive market share in some items, and in some countries, up to 85% in one instance. My mechanic can't get any of them at the moment so maybe they had a bad batch, or used them up at quite a rate, if they had to replace a lot under warranty, or quietly withdrew them.

They probably should have stuck to making clutches……

[RANDLOVER]

They probably should have stuck to making clutches……

You know your stuff.

[DiscoDB]

To be fair, Borg & Beck don’t make the coolant outlet.

That blame would go to the company that bought them out in 2006. And even then the actual manufacturer of what is effectively an aftermarket product of unknown origin remains a mystery.

Good to know what brand to avoid. [emoji41]

[RANDLOVER]

To be fair, Borg & Beck don’t make the coolant outlet.

That blame would go to the company that bought them out in 2006. And even then the actual manufacturer of what is effectively an aftermarket product of unknown origin remains a mystery.

Good to know what brand to avoid. [emoji41]

I know it's sad you just can't seem to trust big business anymore. [biggrin]

[DiscoDB]

That’s where these forums are worth the price of admission.

But the whole Genuine vs True OEM vs Defacto OEM vs Aftermarket is fraught with danger.

It is hard enough when a genuine engine manufacturer with over 100 years in the business gets it wrong……(yes looking at the blue oval).

[RANDLOVER]

Yes, they are all going to say "made to OEM spec" so you can't really argue with that.

[DiscoDB]

Hopefully it was just a bad batch at the time as I am pretty sure I fitted the same brand coolant outlet to mine.

[Tombie]

I still find it funny how we’ve normalised that these components are consumable. It really shouldn’t be hard to make a part to have a life longer than seven years.

Why? I never had a cast alloy thermostat housing last 7 years on any Holden, Ford or Mitsubishi....

[DiscoJeffster]

Why? I never had a cast alloy thermostat housing last 7 years on any Holden, Ford or Mitsubishi....

I’m sorry you’ve owned both Holden and Ford.

[V8Ian]

I’m sorry you’ve owned both Holden and Ford.
Holden and Falcon/Fairlane, the most reliable, albeit amongst the most appliance like, cars I've ever owned.
I've never had to replace a thermostat housing on any vehicle I've owned.

[loanrangie]

Why? I never had a cast alloy thermostat housing last 7 years on any Holden, Ford or Mitsubishi....

Part of that i would think is the better coolant available these days and most owners of old hold'n together and foulcans probably just used tap water most of the time.

[DiscoJeffster]

Holden and Falcon/Fairlane, the most reliable, albeit amongst the most appliance like, cars I've ever owned.
I've never had to replace a thermostat housing on any vehicle I've owned.

Same. And I’ve owned them a long time. I have seen pitted ones, but not on my cars.

[BradC]

Why? I never had a cast alloy thermostat housing last 7 years on any Holden, Ford or Mitsubishi....

No, the old alloy thermostat housings were sacrificial. They were effectively the anode for the cooling system and designed to be replaced in preference to the other metal parts the coolant was exposed to.

[DiscoDB]

No, the old alloy thermostat housings were sacrificial.

With the TDV6 they just made the entire engine the sacrificial bit! [emoji12]

[Tins]

Why? I never had a cast alloy thermostat housing last 7 years on any Holden, Ford or Mitsubishi....

But any Ford I ever owned* changing the housing was a 15 minute job. TDV6 not so much.

*Admittedly all Falcons bar one Cortina.

[Tins]

No, the old alloy thermostat housings were sacrificial. They were effectively the anode for the cooling system and designed to be replaced in preference to the other metal parts the coolant was exposed to.

Except six cylinder Falcons had alloy heads from the XD update in 1980. Of course, there are some who would say the entire head was sacrificial on the XD.....

But my 1968 FIAT ( and many subsequent models ) also had an alloy head. With correct coolant corrosion wasn't an issue.

[V8Ian]

The "alloy head" badge, on the XE, always amused me, I was waiting for the model bearing a "rubber tyres" badge. [bigrolf]

[BradC]

Except six cylinder Falcons had alloy heads from the XD update in 1980. Of course, there are some who would say the entire head was sacrificial on the XD.....

But my 1968 FIAT ( and many subsequent models ) also had an alloy head. With correct coolant corrosion wasn't an issue.

Might have had an alloy head, but it still had an iron block. The pot metal they cast the thermostat housings out of had a high zinc content which protected both the head and the block. I tried to TIG one once as an experiment. It sure as heck wasn't aluminium.

[Tombie]

The "alloy head" badge, on the XE, always amused me, I was waiting for the model bearing a "rubber tyres" badge. [bigrolf]

Yep. Some of the old marketing was great.

Remember RTS :)

[PerthDisco]

Crossflow also

[DiscoJeffster]

Yep. Some of the old marketing was great.

Remember RTS :)

Radial Tuned Suspension yeah? Lolz

[BradC]

I've just ordered one. ~$50 delivered.

So it was marked "delivered" 3 days ago. Looks like the seller is an Aliexpress scammer. I've noticed the tracking information changing "delivery failed due to recipient changing delivery time" to "delivered". If I get a refund (and I always do) I'll order one from another seller. Still interested in comparing the obviously cheap casting against an original.

[Discodicky]

So it was marked "delivered" 3 days ago. Looks like the seller is an Aliexpress scammer. I've noticed the tracking information changing "delivery failed due to recipient changing delivery time" to "delivered". If I get a refund (and I always do) I'll order one from another seller. Still interested in comparing the obviously cheap casting against an original.

Mine arrived yesterday after two weeks.
Very well made.
Compared it to an OEM plastic and identical.
Placed it on to a 3.0 V6 from an RRS sitting in the workshop (which had thrown a rod at 104,000 klms almost certainly because the previous service person changed the oil filter but not the "O" ring which caused a massive oil leak and the owner's wife driver was unaware of the oil leak and noise...) and it fits perfectly with everything lining up ok.
Very impressed and definitely the way to go due to cost and presumably long life.

My guess is that this component and the alloy inlet manifolds are made by same company, the castings have that "look" about them.

[Tombie]

Let’s hope the alloy used is a good spec. If it is they’ll do well

[PerthDisco]

Mine arrived yesterday after two weeks.
Very well made.
Compared it to an OEM plastic and identical.
Placed it on to a 3.0 V6 from an RRS sitting in the workshop (which had thrown a rod at 104,000 klms almost certainly because the previous service person changed the oil filter but not the "O" ring which caused a massive oil leak and the owner's wife driver was unaware of the oil leak and noise...) and it fits perfectly with everything lining up ok.
Very impressed and definitely the way to go due to cost and presumably long life.

My guess is that this component and the alloy inlet manifolds are made by same company, the castings have that "look" about them.

I can’t see the item from the previous link. Can you confirm exactly the link you ordered please?

Are the items on Aliexpress that look like they are LR original parts fakes or real?

[Discodicky]

I can’t see the item from the previous link. Can you confirm exactly the link you ordered please?

Are the items on Aliexpress that look like they are LR original parts fakes or real?

I used the link which LoanRangie provided on page 1 of this post.
But I see there are quite a few on E-bay which to me seem legit.

[Disco4TT3]

Mine arrived yesterday after two weeks.
Very well made.
Compared it to an OEM plastic and identical.
Placed it on to a 3.0 V6 from an RRS sitting in the workshop (which had thrown a rod at 104,000 klms almost certainly because the previous service person changed the oil filter but not the "O" ring which caused a massive oil leak and the owner's wife driver was unaware of the oil leak and noise...) and it fits perfectly with everything lining up ok.
Very impressed and definitely the way to go due to cost and presumably long life.

My guess is that this component and the alloy inlet manifolds are made by same company, the castings have that "look" about them.

Oooh have you tried the alloy inlet manifolds before or just fitted to the same engine that's on the floor?

What a great idea to replace plastic with alloy engine components...

I just ordered one of these outlets.

[Discodicky]

Oooh have you tried the alloy inlet manifolds before or just fitted to the same engine that's on the floor?

What a great idea to replace plastic with alloy engine components...

I just ordered one of these outlets.

I haven't tried the alloy manifolds, they became available after I'd replaced mine with the latest Genuine LR ones.
Mine didn't leak (at 190,000 klms) but I was about do do a 12,000 klm mainland caravan trip last June and I wanted to eliminate potential probs whilst away.
Otherwise I'd have definitely used the alloys 'cos I've since seen two other engines with them; they have been using them for some months now and no probs.
I've had a good look at them prior fitment and they are nicely made.
As the alloys become more popular I'll bet the price goes up, best to get in now 'cos they are dirt cheap.

[eddy]

Or stock up on plastic ones,they are cheap enough.....made in UK?https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006341910973.html?ug_edm_item_id=1005006341910 973&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21AUD%21AU%2415.53%21AU%2415.53%21 %21%21%21%21%400bf8c79017201435471794249e2293%2112 000036824296320%21edm%21%21%21&edm_log_data=edm-item-list-three-columns.store-product-log-link&tracelog=rowan&rowan_id1=lg_des_arrive_20240613_1_en_US_2024-07-04&rowan_msg_id=7313819047558462$5566ab408d924d218f1a 722850d6dab4&ck=in_edm_other190640

[BradC]

Or stock up on plastic ones,they are cheap enough.....made in UK?https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006341910973.html?ug_edm_item_id=1005006341910 973&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21AUD%21AU%2415.53%21AU%2415.53%21 %21%21%21%21%400bf8c79017201435471794249e2293%2112 000036824296320%21edm%21%21%21&edm_log_data=edm-item-list-three-columns.store-product-log-link&tracelog=rowan&rowan_id1=lg_des_arrive_20240613_1_en_US_2024-07-04&rowan_msg_id=7313819047558462$5566ab408d924d218f1a 722850d6dab4&ck=in_edm_other190640

"Original " : $84.75
"Copy" : $15.89

Near enough to genuine price I'd rather buy from a UK based supplier.

In other news, I've placed another order for an alloy one, so let's see if this one makes it. Got a refund on the last "no show".

[DazzaTD5]

Stop with the riddles and name the brand...

An OEM outfit doesnt necessarily "OEM" a certain marques parts - and at that point theyre a Pattern Part maker...

Given a Genuine part is like $120 why would anyone even consider an alternative...

Yes completely agree...

if its not genuine, its a Britpart or one of their brands which includes Allmakes.
Britpart (as you and others are aware) make good parts, OEM parts and rubbish parts.

[Disco4TT3]

Mine arrived yesterday and looks good. Mating surfaces seem flat with no rough edges that I can see.

Getting prepped to do the swap and watched this great vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swv0YLL-rEU

Thanks D Landy :)

He suggests replacing the oring/seal on the oil cooler which connects into the water outlet pipe:

190721

The comment section mentions part# Lr013151 - but I think this is for the two seals on the water outlet itself (which came with the new part).

Googling suggest it may be this one:
ESR1594L

Can anyone confirm?

[Tombie]

It’s just a Viton O’ring.

Any hydraulic seal company / most bearing companies can supply.

[DiscoDB]

Viton BS211V o-ring.

(Credit to Tombie who posted it once before).

[Disco4TT3]

Thanks both! I swung past an LR dealer today and they gave me LR013151, so the comment in the vid was correct :)

[twr7cx]

He suggests replacing the oring/seal on the oil cooler which connects into the water outlet pipe:

...

Googling suggest it may be this one:
ESR1594L

Can anyone confirm?

The part number is BS211 if I recall correctly. As Tombie stated, any bearing shop or the like should be able to supply.

[DiscoJeffster]

Installed my AliExpress jobbie plus a new top hose also from Ali ( more cuts so more cover trimming), new throttle body seals (also Ali) plus new coolant bottle, wait for it, also from Ali. All went in fine. Lost more than a litre in the process and topped up with distilled for now. Will get some LR coolant to top up (that’s what was put in by my Indy last time when they changed the EGRs and flushed it. All in all, went surprisingly well

[Graeme]

DJ, how is the aluminium water outlet holding-up please?

[DiscoJeffster]

DJ, how is the aluminium water outlet holding-up please?

No problems at all [emoji1360]
Everything is sweet