Locks and wireless locks- security

[NavyDiver]

Running past high fences some times makes me chuckle at the perception of security. Very low side fence or ones anyone could climb around I mean.

Saw a lock cracking thing for a Key Lock box which made me go wow. Oddly I put a key in a lock box several years ago so I will be testing that in a few weeks I had used one for my Disco keys when running long distances at several events assuming that was safe[tonguewink][tonguewink][tonguewink][tonguewink]

8000 plus Landrovers stolen in the UK? The most stolen car caught my eye this morning during a break.

Land Rover tops list of Britain’s most stolen cars (thenationalnews.com) (https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2023/05/23/land-rover-tops-list-of-britains-most-stolen-cars/#:~:text=Among%20the%20896%2C948%20licensed%20Land %20Rovers%20in%20the,Velar%20R-Dyn%20found%20to%20be%20the%20most%20targeted.)

The security or NOT of keyless entry has always been interesting. Ditto for remote controls and even our phones, credit cards and a bit more for some hacking types it seems[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

I am not paranoid usually[bigrolf]

This might make me a bit more so[bigwhistle]

"[B]Keyless car thefts[B]The insurance provider warned about the increased sophistication of thieves, who are now using high-tech methods such as key cloning or relay theft to circumvent advanced vehicle security systems.
[B]In this scheme, thieves use transmitters to capture the unique signal from car keys and redirect it to another transmitter that is then aimed at the car.
These transmitters have evolved to such an extent that they can clone a key’s signal from outside of the house."

[V8Ian]

We'll all be needing a secret Faraday cage, in our houses.

[Tombie]

I have a couple of little "electronic gizmos" that can manipulate a lot of things :)

[prelude]

Heh, yes it's good "fun".

I used to sit at McDonalds with my 70cm VHF radio keyed at 433.950mhz. Since it put out 50watts into a nice and resonant antenna I would block all car remote's in a very large radius. People opening their car doors with the key, alarm would go off, immobiliser wouldn't turn off etc. Of course the large antenna on the roof was suspect to some people who came knocking on the window but when you showed them that you were eating your burger with both hands... They "understood" it was not you :)

All quite innocent, but indeed, recording the bleeps on that frequency is not that hard and playing them back is also quite easy these days. What we need is two way communicating devices with their own certificates and rolling encryption, a bit like SSL works. I wonder why that was never implemented, probably costs or because it is slightly more complex and thus no manufacturer would want to implement it first getting a bad name in the process.

I like that I have a very unknown car alarm, at least for Europe, from the US. Sure it operates at a frequency that is technically not allowed... but no thief is prepared for it and thus they simply skip it. They only go for low hanging fruit like in the UK where the Land Rover is ubiquitous and investing in tools/knowledge will bear fruit.

For a very long time I have simply parked my car up and left the key in and got out. It has worked for, oh, 14 odd years and never a problem. I wonder why some cars are more suspect than others?

Cheers,
-P

[p38arover]

They only go for low hanging fruit like in the UK where the Land Rover is ubiquitous and investing in tools/knowledge will bear fruit.

Something like 600 Land Rovers are stolen each year in the UK. The newer keyless systems make it quite easy.

[3toes]

Part of the Land Rover ‘problem’ is that they were already a high level target for thieves. This is just a reflection of that. Their security was no better or worse than the others. Being in demand for stolen for export made the targeting of the keyless locks a bigger priority for those who wanted to steal them which then became a media story.

Previously it was Peugeot 405 and 406 that were stolen so often there were almost none left in the London region. Imagine it is the same organizations that are now targeting Land Rover for export

Problem with them being stolen has even impacted finance companies. They have extra checks due to the levels of fraud. They take the finance company cash for a bogus sale then export the car. Double payout on the one vehicle

Even if you find them can be difficult to recover. Know of one country where stolen Range Rovers had been located. Went to local police to arrange recovery. Were then told that based on evidence supplied this was now an active investigation. Police had issued the ‘driver’ with documents to say that the vehicle was the subject of an investigation and the driver had been made responsible for the vehicle while the investigation progressed. You can guess how much investigation occurred

[Arapiles]

We'll all be needing a secret Faraday cage, in our houses.

Inadvertently created one when we insulated our entire house with foil bubble insulation. Mobile phone calls can be quite difficult at times.

[superquag]

We'll all be needing a secret Faraday cage, in our houses.

... or go back to old school. MECHANICAL locking locks...[biggrin]

[Tins]

[bigwhistle]
... or go back to old school. MECHANICAL locking locks...[biggrin]
Which are easy pickings [bigwhistle]

[Tins]

Not sure what the issue is, I doubt if anyone can open my D2, even with the key fob. I usually can’t.