1.6l Engine Hoist Points

[McBrain283]

I will soon be ready to lift the engine and gearbox out.

What are the recommended hoist points to lift it on an engine crane? I'm guessing best to use a strap around it rather than a bolted connection, but want to make sure it's not going to roll-over on me!

[McBrain283]

By the way. Gearbox number has no suffix. Is that correct?

191644

[NobbyTD5]

Mc
Hi
i had a look at the new James Taylor book on 80" models
and it says

1952 Gearboxes (I guess start with)
2610-0001 RHD
2613-0001 LHD


1951's start with a 1
1953 start with a 3

So I think its a 1952 era Gear Box


cheers

Stuart


By the way. Gearbox number has no suffix. Is that correct?

191644

[NobbyTD5]

Mc
Hi
i had a look at the new James Taylor book on 80" models
and it says

1952 Gearboxes (I guess start with)
2610-0001 RHD
2613-0001 LHD


1951's start with a 1
1953 start with a 3

So I think its a 1952 era Gear Box


cheers

Nobby


By the way. Gearbox number has no suffix. Is that correct?

191644

[Old Farang]

I will soon be ready to lift the engine and gearbox out.

What are the recommended hoist points to lift it on an engine crane? I'm guessing best to use a strap around it rather than a bolted connection, but want to make sure it's not going to roll-over on me!

For me putting a strap around an engine to lift it out would just about guarantee it would roll over and probably break more than just you! Lifting anything heavy should ensure that the centre of gravity is kept well below the attachment lifting points, unless using a frame designed to lift from the bottom.
The attachment point should also be such that it cannot slip or fall off, ie; bolted on, or a closed hook or shackle.
Have a look at some options here:

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Can't help you with the gearbox number.

[gromit]

I will soon be ready to lift the engine and gearbox out.

What are the recommended hoist points to lift it on an engine crane? I'm guessing best to use a strap around it rather than a bolted connection, but want to make sure it's not going to roll-over on me!

Not a recommended solution but.....

I usually use 'Telstra' rope, several loops, round the manifold or whatever brackets are high up on the engine.
This method was recently used on a Land Rover 6-cylinder engine without issue.
Don't put any part of yourself between the engine & the ground and keep an eye on the rope.

I made a frame for moving engines around and I use 'Telstra' rope on this as well.


Colin

[McBrain283]

By the way. Gearbox number has no suffix. Is that correct?

191644

yep, car is 1952 so that sounds right for the gearbox.

I was concerned about ordering the correct parts for the gearbox rebuild. Some suppliers don't specifically call-out series 1. I think that gears, seals, bearings are the same as later series 2? Does no suffix mean it is Suffix A? Suffix 'nothing'?

[McBrain283]

Thank you for the responses on engine lifting.

Looks like I need to ID suitable bolts into the block for attachment of lifting chain.

Thank you

[McBrain283]

Managed to do it with straps around the manifolds

191665

Gearbox out too

191666

[McBrain283]

So on removal it seems the flywheel ring gear teeth are chewed-up in 2 locations. Looking at the starter motor, the casing is a bit wonky and this may have caused a mis-aligned mesh of teeth between the starter and flywheel?

Whare are my options with this flywheel? It is one-piece. I read that you can machine it off and shrink on a new ring gear. Sounds expensive.

I mighty need to visit the UK for business next year so another option may be to find one there.

191667191668191669191670

[5380]

So on removal it seems the flywheel ring gear teeth are chewed-up in 2 locations. Looking at the starter motor, the casing is a bit wonky and this may have caused a mis-aligned mesh of teeth between the starter and flywheel?

Whare are my options with this flywheel? It is one-piece. I read that you can machine it off and shrink on a new ring gear. Sounds expensive.

I mighty need to visit the UK for business next year so another option may be to find one there.

191667191668191669191670

If you can find the right siamese bore flywheel locally with healthy teeth, that would be the best outcome. Just be aware that spread bore engines ('55 on) have a different flywheel.
You could use the later flywheel, but you would also have to use the matching starter motor and flywheel housing.
If a flywheel is not available, replacing the ring gear is the next step. A machine shop set up for this type of work will make short work of it if you can find the correct ring gear. Make sure the flywheel face is still in spec before you go to the expense of any repairs. See the Reclamation Section in the workshop manual.
A helpful hint. Clean your timing marks and highligt them with some white or yellow paint before refiiting it. Good luck! Mike (5380)

[McBrain283]

Thank you Mike, that's good info.