TD5 Aircon Thermistor

[CapeLandy]

Hi All

My aircon thermistor is open circuit and I found after I cut it open that it was all bits and pieces of the "bulb" in the end of the pocket/housing.

Anyone know how to overcome this little bit of unobtanium ?

[shack]

Not sure what you mean about unobtainium, but I'd just stay with genuine or well known aftermarket ones, you could try retrofit something else but probably not worth the effort.

Search for: jtf100280

[CapeLandy]

Not sure what you mean about unobtainium, but I'd just stay with genuine or well known aftermarket ones, you could try retrofit something else but probably not worth the effort.

Search for: jtf100280

Thanks a million - couldn't find that part number for the life of me.

Will order from the UK

[shack]

Thanks a million - couldn't find that part number for the life of me.

Will order from the UKIn your signature it says you have a 2006 Kalahari defender with 300tdi. Is that a miss type?

[CapeLandy]

That is correct. Here is SA they sold a few hundred TDi engined defenders with similar parts to a TD5 so it's a bit of a mixed bag of different components. Mine was also converted back from a game viewer using TD5 doors etc.

[shack]

That is correct. Here is SA they sold a few hundred TDi engined defenders with similar parts to a TD5 so it's a bit of a mixed bag of different components. Mine was also converted back from a game viewer using TD5 doors etc.I wondered....

So your AC will have a little ECU that controls it?

Does your motor have a little ECU that controls pump timing and a sensor on the number 4 injector?

[CapeLandy]

Yes, there is a small PC board in the AC which is linked to the thermistor.

The TDi has no sensor's on the injectors no - simple 300 TDi motor block produced in Argentina which is apparently quite good

[LuckyLes]

Thanks a million - couldn't find that part number for the life of me.

Will order from the UK

Go to any wreckers and find any jap wreck with airconditioning from about the year 1990 on. It should have a thermistor in the evaporator.
Plug will most likely be the same in earlier ones, if not just cut and shunt. I think you will find it will work.
Cheers
LuckyLes

[shack]

Go to any wreckers and find any jap wreck with airconditioning from about the year 1990 on. It should have a thermistor in the evaporator.
Plug will most likely be the same in earlier ones, if not just cut and shunt. I think you will find it will work.
Cheers
LuckyLesHi Les,

I have no doubt you are right.

All I'll add to it is that I can't actually see any reason to have that setup on a 300tdi!

It's overly complex when you consider that the 300 has no ECU itself. So an old school 2 wire thermostat with variable positions has been replaced by an ECU, thermistor and 3 position temp control switch!

I've actually added an a thermostat override switch in my TD5 that keeps the pressure switch and still triggers the engine controller to run the AC and condenser fan.

I nearly went old school thermostat myself.

In fact, unless all the TD5 defenders I've used all had problems with either the AC ECU or the thermistor, I don't think they are well calibrated for the job. Much cooler if I use the override (probably uses more fuel and could also freeze the evaporator, but I don't care because it cools the car!)

But the wrecking yard thermistor will likely do the job.

[shack]

Yes, there is a small PC board in the AC which is linked to the thermistor.

The TDi has no sensor's on the injectors no - simple 300 TDi motor block produced in Argentina which is apparently quite goodYou wouldn't happen to have a wiring diagram for that would you?
Does the car have a factory alarm?

If so what is it? An AS10 or something else?

I'm always intrigued by the "parts bin specials"!

I'm guessing quite a few running around S.A..

[CapeLandy]

You wouldn't happen to have a wiring diagram for that would you?
Does the car have a factory alarm?

If so what is it? An AS10 or something else?

I'm always intrigued by the "parts bin specials"!

I'm guessing quite a few running around S.A..My factory alarm system was removed before I got her.

They only made about 300 odd of the Kalahari in 2006 so it's difficult when carrying out repairs as I keep having to switch between manuals.

[LuckyLes]

Hi Les,

I have no doubt you are right.

All I'll add to it is that I can't actually see any reason to have that setup on a 300tdi!

It's overly complex when you consider that the 300 has no ECU itself. So an old school 2 wire thermostat with variable positions has been replaced by an ECU, thermistor and 3 position temp control switch!

I've actually added an a thermostat override switch in my TD5 that keeps the pressure switch and still triggers the engine controller to run the AC and condenser fan.

I nearly went old school thermostat myself.

In fact, unless all the TD5 defenders I've used all had problems with either the AC ECU or the thermistor, I don't think they are well calibrated for the job. Much cooler if I use the override (probably uses more fuel and could also freeze the evaporator, but I don't care because it cools the car!)

But the wrecking yard thermistor will likely do the job.

Manual thermostat will do the same and I have replaced many that way, but in reality the thermister is far more reliable and a much easier fix.

[CapeLandy]

My brother in law is visiting Africa in a week so I sent one to him from John Cradock which he will put in his luggage.

[shack]

Manual thermostat will do the same and I have replaced many that way, but in reality the thermister is far more reliable and a much easier fix.Why is a thermistor more reliable?

Genuine question as I don't know!

I guess we have had a thermostat or 2 die over the journey, but still curious.

[LuckyLes]

Why is a thermistor more reliable?

Genuine question as I don't know!

I guess we have had a thermostat or 2 die over the journey, but still curious.

There are no contacts, or gas filled capillary to vibrate and crack. Electronics don't generate as much heat or use as much current to operate, and have a far lower failure rate.

[shack]

Thanks for that explanation Les.

[CapeLandy]

So I fitted the new OEM thermistor, replaced all O-rings and fitted a new Filter drier.

Ran a vacuum for 24 hours and confirmed no vacuum leaks.

Added 2 cans of refrigerant totaling 560 grams. Little bit short of full 600 grams. Going to top up with a third can when I get.

Noticed that I still have a strange sequence of compressor cutting in.

I turn the fan switch to position 1 but the compressor only clutches in when I turn the temperature to full.

When I turn the temp back down to position 1 the compressor still remains clutched in but does not cycle no matter how high I turn the fan switch.

It is pretty warm today so maybe the cab does not get cold enough.

The compressor only clicks off when I turn the fan and temperature both to off position.

Does anyone have the correct sequence of positions of both switches as to what is supposed to happen as the manual I have does not go into much detail.

Before I played with my system it was filled by my refrigeration team at work by feel and not by measuring but my probe in the air stream used to go down to minus 5'C but now reaches about zero degrees.

[shack]

Noticed that I still have a strange sequence of compressor cutting in.

Before I go into the rest of the post, can you explain what you mean here?

Are you saying that the original problem was the funny operating of the switches?

[CapeLandy]

The original problem was a squeaking fan bearing as to the reason I stripped everything. Was a very annoying sound.

I also thought at the same time I may as well strip everything to see why my compressor never cycles and suspected the thermistor, but during removal I damaged it so was not sure if it was already broken or just happened when I pulled it out the evap coil.

Now I am confused as to where the fault lies as the switches are fine but yet the compressor doesn't cycle. Could it be the little ECU box that's faulty ?

[shack]

The original problem was a squeaking fan bearing as to the reason I stripped everything. Was a very annoying sound.

I also thought at the same time I may as well strip everything to see why my compressor never cycles and suspected the thermistor, but during removal I damaged it so was not sure if it was already broken or just happened when I pulled it out the evap coil.

Now I am confused as to where the fault lies as the switches are fine but yet the compressor doesn't cycle. Could it be the little ECU box that's faulty ?Yes, it's most likely the little ECU which will be next to one of the speakers.

You could replace the thermistor and the ECU with an old school thermostat, that is what I would probably do.

There is a little "module" that most 300tdis in Australia had when they were fitted with AC, I don't know what function it served and can't really see why it would be required, it was in the battery box.

The little ECU you have isn't really necessary on a 300 as there is no signal to send to the main ECU.

[CapeLandy]

Thanks mate.

Although the engine is a 300 TDi the body and Aircon is from a TD5 being a Kalahari defender.

Don’t feel like taking it all out again. Might just live with it and just turn it off now and again to let the iced up evap defrost now and then.

Over and out