ford ranger super duty

[gofish]

Any thoughts on the new ('26) Ranger super duty ?

[Tins]

There's been a bit of discussion on the Grenadier (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/european-manufactured/253877-ineos-grenadier-do-you-reckon-itll-take-off-post3244534.html#post3244534) thread. Given the GCM, the potential range, the equipment level and the ball weight and other scales* fitted I reckon it will be a game changer. Pricing, and of course whether Ford can pull it off will be very interesting.

* No more excuses for poor load distribution.

[grey_ghost]

Definitely something to look into…

[Fluids]

Can it be driven on a std drivers licence or will you need a Class X? licence ?

[Tins]

I imagine Ford will finesse the numbers...

[TonyC]

Can it be driven on a std drivers licence or will you need a Class X? licence ?

Everyone is talking 4,500kg gross, that's a light rigid licence.
I'm betting it will be 4,495kg gross that's a car licence.

Tony

[scarry]

Any thoughts on the new ('26) Ranger super duty ?

They are saying the 3.0L TDV6 is going to pull it around.

Interesting.

They really need to get reliability and quality control better than it is as well.
That comment is from our own experience with Rangers used for work,not what someones Girlfriend's Uncle saw on FB.

A mate actually sent a pic today of his work Ranger,i should throw the pic on here but won't,as it is sign written.It is on a tilt tray for the second time in the last 12 months,it is 2yrs old.
This time it is something to do with intercooler hoses he thinks.[bigsad]

[scarry]

Everyone is talking 4,500kg gross, that's a light rigid licence.
I'm betting it will be 4,495kg gross that's a car licence.

Tony

Car license is up to and including 4.5T

And after some research,it dodges NVES(New Vehicle Emission Standards) as well,but hopefully they will vanish in a month or two anyway..

[ozscott]

IF, and it's a big if, Ford could sort the reliability of the Super Duty versus the lighter Ranger, it would be a thing of beauty and would give the Grenadier a spanking. Like a modern 130. Ford say they have fixed the turbo issues etc but I would not be holding my breath. I am also suspect about that V6 pulling around big weights. I can't see how they could have improved it sufficiently over the D4 with the inherent crank design to get it strong enough. The cost will be eye watering for the Super Duty, but for those springing for a Grenadier or new Defender it won't be. Cheers

[Slunnie]

Can it be driven on a std drivers licence or will you need a Class X? licence ?

Standard licence

Licence classes | NSW Government (https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/driver-and-rider-licences/licence-classes-and-conditions/classes)

[Slunnie]

I reckon it will be a game changer.

Hopefully other manufacturers respond to it.

I think it will be a game changer too, especially for caravaners and boat owners.

Its a shame they didn't fit a bigger motor to it.

[Tins]

Hearing $75-90 K depending on trim. Ford say car licence.

[Tins]

A bit hyperbolic, but...


https://youtu.be/gJDDJTZOxms'si=wFkDpPccgJ_v70h2

[ozscott]

Hearing $75-90 K depending on trim. Ford say car licence.

I hope it is in this range mate. I have heard anything from just under the Wildtrack price to $140k. if they keep the dual cab under 100k it will walk out the door. They will have to do a higher trim at some stage with heated seats to secure the more senior van brigade. Cheers

[RANDLOVER]

Even the Americans are jealous as they won't be getting it.

The Australian Ford Ranger Super Duty Is a Right-Size Workhorse We Wish We Had (https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-australian-ford-ranger-super-duty-is-a-right-size-workhorse-we-wish-we-had)

[Tins]

Yeah. In the official Ford YouTube teaser a LOT of the comments are from north American folks clamouring for it. One commenter nailed it though. Ford probably won’t do it because it might knock the “F” truck off its perch. Can’t have that.

[Tins]

If Ford gets it right then they won’t be able to make enough of them.

[Tins]

I hope it is in this range mate. I have heard anything from just under the Wildtrack price to $140k. if they keep the dual cab under 100k it will walk out the door. They will have to do a higher trim at some stage with heated seats to secure the more senior van brigade. Cheers
Yeah, proof will be in the pudding. Pricing will be VERY interesting,

[scarry]

Yeah. In the official Ford YouTube teaser a LOT of the comments are from north American folks clamouring for it. One commenter nailed it though. Ford probably won’t do it because it might knock the “F” truck off its perch. Can’t have that.

Sales of Rav4 Knocked the F 150 off in the US last year.
And sales have been way ahead of Ranger for quite a few months here as well.

The comment from the sales boss at Toyota Aus a few months ago, was that SUVs will take over from utes going forward.
And no one brand will dominate the ute market.

The Chinese utes are selling like hot cakes,companies are now using them in their fleets.
How they will hold up used for work,who knows,but i would think re sale values won't be great.

Ford are vulnerable,more so than say,as an example, Toyota as they only have a couple of models,Ranger and Everest,,that is one reason they brought out this bigger ute.
Also with this NVES garbage(my opinion only),Fords TDV6 may end up being dropped in the Ranger and Everest,and as i have said before,it will be fine in the bigger ute as it is in a different class,and therefor exempt.

[Slunnie]

I think the Ranger Superduty sales will be felt by the big American trucks. Although it wont tow as well as the American trucks, it is able to tow those types of weights and at the same time it will still be a really usable daily driver as opposed to the Yank Tanks that wont turn a corner or fit in a car park.

Such a great new niche in the market.

[scarry]

As much as some of us hate this guy,this is pretty good,particularly the engineering around towing.

https://youtu.be/EJJjIJ-iMsU'si=bLGqFw4nXt0tUOkO

[RANDLOVER]

Toyota used do a similar thing a 1.5 ton ute called a Stout or Stallion.

Toyota Stout - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Stout)

Facelifted and modernised in March 1979, the 1.5-ton Stout now used the front pressings of the smaller Hilux but still fulfilled the same role as before. The bed used the same pressings as for the previous Stouts, meaning that there was a pronounced difference between the front and rear bodywork.

[V8Ian]

Where I did my apprenticeship we had a Stout and Lite Stout (second gen. according to the Wikipedia article linked), both had the early ubiquitous 1900 four as seen in everything from Coaster to Crown and Tiara, the former obviously car derived but the latter had split 16" wheels, a greater payload and possibly driveline.

[loanrangie]

I hope that the SD takes sales away from the big yank , overpriced, oversized trucks.

[Tins]

I hope that the SD takes sales away from the big yank , overpriced, oversized trucks.

As do I. I wonder if a fifth wheel hitch would be plausible on the SD.

[RANDLOVER]

As do I. I wonder if a fifth wheel hitch would be plausible on the SD.

Probably not on a dual cab, but possibly on a single cab or king cab even.

[V8Ian]

Probably not on a dual cab, but possibly on a single cab or king cab even.
Depends on pin depth and turntable location.

[ozscott]

Sales of Rav4 Knocked the F 150 off in the US last year.
And sales have been way ahead of Ranger for quite a few months here as well.

The comment from the sales boss at Toyota Aus a few months ago, was that SUVs will take over from utes going forward.
And no one brand will dominate the ute market.

The Chinese utes are selling like hot cakes,companies are now using them in their fleets.
How they will hold up used for work,who knows,but i would think re sale values won't be great.

Ford are vulnerable,more so than say,as an example, Toyota as they only have a couple of models,Ranger and Everest,,that is one reason they brought out this bigger ute.
Also with this NVES garbage(my opinion only),Fords TDV6 may end up being dropped in the Ranger and Everest,and as i have said before,it will be fine in the bigger ute as it is in a different class,and therefor exempt.

LDV: ACCC alleges ute brand's claims of 'durable and tough' cars was misleading (https://www.9news.com.au/national/ute-brand-taken-to-court-for-alleged-misleading-advertising/ee880c84-7ea5-4ed7-b296-8bdb5019ff39?ocid=Social-9News&fbclid=IwY2xjawJ253xleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHgGIoTWZ37eUS z_B9WtyV3It4fE6HNl-riqOx_qA_YPhRp1yA_qLhBPfaSNd_aem_mjfplWAmfC0Q4uGYm TOTmw&sfnsn=mo)

Cheers

[Slunnie]

As much as some of us hate this guy,this is pretty good,particularly the engineering around towing.

https://youtu.be/EJJjIJ-iMsU'si=bLGqFw4nXt0tUOkO

I thought this was going to be Andrew st Pierre White!

I think its just John Cadogens first 10mins of dribble and crap that does my head in. If you skip that, the rest has been good for the couple of his videos that I've watched. I thought this one was a great analysis.

[ozscott]

Simon when you sift the Codogen vids he gives some good analysis and info. Another one who gives very good analysis (but who cuts to the chase without humour) is Robert Pepper. Cheers

[Slunnie]

Simon when you sift the Codogen vids he gives some good analysis and info. Another one who gives very good analysis (but who cuts to the chase without humour) is Robert Pepper. Cheers

I used to watch Robert Pepper, but I stopped. He's genuinely having a good crack, but he just had too many flaws and bias's in his analysis and reviews where I think John Cadogan has nailed it in the ones I've watched.

[austastar]

Hi,
I think the content of many such videos suffers from the pressure of 'publish or perish'. The need to be current takes a toll on the quality where the print and film presentations of yesteryear took hours of preparation for minutes of final cut.
They are also working with fewer crew involved from concept to production.
Something has to give.
Cheers

[scarry]

Simon when you sift the Codogen vids he gives some good analysis and info. Another one who gives very good analysis (but who cuts to the chase without humour) is Robert Pepper. Cheers

Yes Robert Pepper probably does the best 4X4 vehicle write ups and comparisons, at the moment.One of his latest on the Lexus GX550 is very good(in my opinion) only...

Although he does get a bit deep into things at times,and gets a bit boring.

He was actually a member on here many years ago.

[RANDLOVER]

Yes Robert Pepper probably does the best 4X4 vehicle write ups and comparisons, at the moment.One of his latest on the Lexus GX550 is very good(in my opinion) only...

Although he does get a bit deep into things at times,and gets a bit boring.

He was actually a member on here many years ago.

I like Robert Pepper's analysis and bought his book on 4wds when I got my first Land Rover, as I saw he had an orange Defender IIRC. I found his stuff on winch forces pointing out you only need about 300kgs (IIRC) of force to pull a vehicle spinning a wheel in a hole on level ground enlightening , so a 12 000 lbs winch is not always required as a lot of you tubers believe.

[Slunnie]

I like Robert Pepper's analysis and bought his book on 4wds when I got my first Land Rover, as I saw he had an orange Defender IIRC. I found his stuff on winch forces pointing out you only need about 300kgs (IIRC) of force to pull a vehicle spinning a wheel in a hole on level ground enlightening , so a 12 000 lbs winch is not always required as a lot of you tubers believe.

12,000lb or double line pulls are a very different and realistic scenario! I rather have enough winch power than less, although mine is only 9000lb. I immediately think of when a friend got bogged at the old Jardine crossing at what they called croc creek. 2 of us simultaneously parallel snatching couldn't get it out, until he restarted and assisted us. Mud is when you need all of that winch mumbo!