Clowns in Car yards, Do they think we are stupid?

[sclarke]

I was out yesterday looking at Bathroom stuff as i'm doing up the Bathroom. Well while i was driving i spotted a Fender Ute in a yard in Melb, Dandenong to be exact.....
Well i went in and found it like all the rest had not been cleaned or detailed.... thats good for spotting problems, but who would buy a dirty car???? well i suppose i would...
Anyhow i went over and asked about it.
1996, 300tdi, tray Ute. Rough..... Real Rough,...
220k on the clock, but no logbooks... so its done more....
He started it and i stepped back when i heard the Tappety rattle..... it was top end, but could just be adjustment or worse....
Its been in the yard for2 months and he has had no offer over 5k.... Laugh... its not worth that...
He tried to tell me a rebuild was only $1k, i told him a timing kit for the 300 was $500 so how was a rebuild an extra $500 including gaskets and rings and labour... He looked blank.... that was better then the looks he was giving my missus... where is a lump of 4x2 when you need it...
Then i asked to drive it, he said as long as i was going to buy it i could drive it. I said Bite me.....
I looked further to find the Tray was welded to the chassis, and 2 of the out riggers broken clean off, the back was twisted and the tank was new..... Weird....
No panel was straight and the trim was shagged....
220k???? no way........
Doors did not shut properly and some bolts were missing from the body to chassis.....
Steering arms bent and he claimede it had a lift of 2"
Mmmmm with Std markings on the coils.... dont think so...
I tried to coorect him several times about things he "KNEW" but he just argued......
Anyhow i told him it was overpriced at $8k and said i was not interested unless he dropped $5k off it. He was insulted and Discusted and walked off......
What is wrong with these guys.....
Sad engine, bent steering, damaged body, chassis welded directly to???
Its stuffed.....
The classic quote from him.
"All Landrovers are built like this and all have the body and Trays welded to them"

So anyhow the best thing about it...... Near new Cooper ST's

And the $8k was without a RWC.......

DREAM ON.

[p38arover]

.... that was better then the looks he was giving my missus... .

This thread is useless without pix! :D

Ron

[Ace]

Yeah, they do, but he will keep telling the same story and eventually some poor bastard will be stuck with it, sounds to me as though its a rebirth or something and its been bolted together from a couple of written off vehicles to make one whole one.

They will tell you anything though. A mate of mine went into a holden dealership and asked to buy a car just like Mark Skaife races. He walks him over to the SS on the show room floor and points to it, here you go, exactly the same but no roll cage. 5.7L motor (yeah right, i but skaife wishes his was 5.7L), he did get the 6 speed box bit right but thats where the similarites end. My mate pointed out all his mistakes and left the salesman there to ponder what had happened and walked out.

It ****es me off cause people who know nothing about cars take what these guys say at face value and get ripped off big time.

Matt

[Dinty]

G'day All , that reminds me of a clown who had a car yard in Kurri Kurri about 10 klicks from home, I had seen a Stage 1 for sale in the yard and i knew it had been modified to have a Range Rover coil spring front end instead of leaf springs. So I told this dum s**t that I was just curious and wanted to look at the modifications that had been done to this vehicle, the slaes jerk insisted that it was a factory modified Land Rover done just prior to the 110 release hence the coil sprung front end, I started to tell him that no such vehicle ever existed, he went on to great lenghts to convince me that this was a really scarce Land Rover. What a jerk some poor sod who knew stuff all about Land Rovers could have been sucked in by this clown, imagine a scarce Land Rover factory modifed that no-one else knows about except for this clown that is trying to unload it on some unsuspecting person, would you buy a Stage 1 V8 with coil front end and the Dumb Irons still hanging out in front and the shackle bush still in the chassis as a real "BUY" then I told him I knew the bloke who did the conversion,:p I left before he blew a gasket stupid 'B' anyway they will try anything cheers Dennis:wasntme:

[Ace]

G'day All , that reminds me of a clown who had a car yard in Kurri Kurri about 10 klicks from home, I had seen a Stage 1 for sale in the yard and i knew it had been modified to have a Range Rover coil spring front end instead of leaf springs. So I told this dum s**t that I was just curious and wanted to look at the modifications that had been done to this vehicle, the slaes jerk insisted that it was a factory modified Land Rover done just prior to the 110 release hence the coil sprung front end, I started to tell him that no such vehicle ever existed, he went on to great lenghts to convince me that this was a really scarce Land Rover. What a jerk some poor sod who knew stuff all about Land Rovers could have been sucked in by this clown, imagine a scarce Land Rover factory modifed that no-one else knows about except for this clown that is trying to unload it on some unsuspecting person, would you buy a Stage 1 V8 with coil front end and the Dumb Irons still hanging out in front and the shackle bush still in the chassis as a real "BUY" then I told him I knew the bloke who did the conversion,:p I left before he blew a gasket stupid 'B' anyway they will try anything cheers Dennis:wasntme:

Thats it, they dont care who they upset, as long as someone eventually swallows the story and he makes a sale, to someone who thinks they are getting a rare land rover. Matt

[f_b]

I agree mate. I have been sucked in a few times myself but not with a landy I must admit. But then again thats what happens when you are in the "extremely cheapie" market as I have been in the past. BUT what about jokers selling landies on the web as well. And these arent dealers but private people coming out with the most absurd prices and stories of their landies. Im just amazed at some of the prices these people want for their landies. And im not talking discos or defender. SII and SIII at unbelievable prices :eek: :eek:

Saw a ad this weekend for a restored SII in the local paper for $13,500. Mate at that price it needs to be made of GOLD. Or how about this bloke in South Australia that wants $8750 for a S3 game on Trading Post. Huh... thats the better part of 10K for a 1978 Game! Yes they were a limited release but there were a LOT more made than 250 as he claims in the ad.. and somebody will fall for the story I suppose!

Others are serious rust buckets with a ton of things wrong and they all say "But Land Rovers are made of aluminium and cant rust". Yea right... :cool: :cool:

Cheers

[isuzurover]

New car dealers are just as bad. I went with my sister to help her buy a car (toyota corolla). One large toyota dealer just north of the city (Brisbane), tried to convince us (after supposedly phoning around) that there were no vehicles available anywhere in OZ (nor would there be for the next 2 months) except for the higher spec model they had in their lot. We walked out, and went to another toyota dealer who not only had three of the same vehicle (but the base model) in their lot, they also gave my sister the choice of any colour she wanted - and for a very good price!!!

[sclarke]

This thread is useless without pix! :D

Ron

Ron,
Try the MudPit........:)

[muddymech]

we had a look at freelander over parramatta way, we asked for test drive but had to agree to buy the car if we test drove it, then had to hand over driving licnce and credit card.
whilst this was happening the diesal engine on the freelander just ran away, lou shut it off before it went to far, the dealer said the choke needed adjustment, i suggested that there was no choke on a diesal and eventually had three sales men telling me i was stupid and what did i know. needless to say we left the dealer fully aware that car dealers here are as trustworthy and honest as the uk.

[charliebrisbane]

Blokes, I agree. Ibought a jeep a year and ahalf ago and I said that I didn't want it for the price if the wheels on it (American racing wheels 15") were not 15 x 8's. I got under there and looked and could not find the size. It had 31" tyres on it so they could have been 7" or 8" wide but the dude said that he was sure they were 8" wide rims and even asked the guy who suppossedely bought them for the previous owner (the service manager) and he came out and said that they were definately 8" wide. So I buy the car and it turns out after a few months that I put some spring spacers in and when I take the wheels off lo and behold they are 15 x 7" wheels which means that even if I wanted to I couldn't fit larger width tyres. Which is originally what I wanted to do when I bought the car. They will tell you anything to make a sale they even said that it had a 2" body lift and pointed to the rubber pads betwen the body and the chasis. Which by the way I saw on every new car on the floor. What a bunch of bullshutters.

Thank god I bought the car I had been dreaming of for 10 years a p38. At least all of its shortcomings are fixed with copious amounts of cash.

Charlie

[one_iota]

needless to say we left the dealer fully aware that car dealers here are as trustworthy and honest as the uk.


Yards full of Arthur Daly's :D

[harro]

Yards full of Arthur Daly's :D

Thats exactly right!
What else would you expect.
They are just trying to sell something!
Trust none of them and don't talk to them unless you have already decided to buy it.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
I thought this was all just common sense. but then again there is nothing common about sense.:p

[one_iota]

When I bought mine there were very few for sale second hand privately.

I resorted to the Car Yard...the bloke was a creep...in fact I think it was his surname...tried to sell me a V8 Discovery;) .

After the deal was done I felt grubby.

[George130]

Yep look what they did to my beastie. #$%^#$ the head and quickly stuck it all back together. With enough crap to make it last the waranty period.
I have seen the oposite though. Friend bought a car that the dealer claimed needed a new engine as it was seized. Friend put oil in it and we towed it out. On the way home he tried to tow start it to see what would happen. Wow it started and went for 3 years before he got rid of it.

[harro]

After the deal was done I felt grubby.[/quote]

A better word would be 'tainted'.
The only other more soul destroying experience than coming in contact with Used Car Salesmen is Real Estate Agents.

A blight on them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bat::bat::bat:

[one_iota]

A better word would be 'tainted'.
The only other more soul destroying experience than coming in contact with Used Car Salesmen is Real Estate Agents.

A blight on them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bat::bat::bat:

I have a school aquaintance who has been running a Prestige Yard for over 25 years selling Black Mercs and the odd RR. I dropped in to say hello one day...his interest extended to "do you see any of the old boys...if you, do tell them I have a few man traps here" :eek:

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I was considering buying a car once and was working with this salesman... who was ok. Anyway with me this process can take some time. I went back there and all the people said sorry... Fred has retired to work on his boat.

I went to the next Ford dealership in town and there he was ... LOL

[FenianEel]

They're all bad & there are plenty of good real estate agents out there too.

But yeah, there are a few sharks.
When we were looking for a Disco, (2 Disco's back), we saw this average 95 V8, very dirty, tatty interior, but cheap price :eek: at a dodgy place in Moorooka.
Wanted to go for a test drive, so the salesman just said he'd just go the servo and put some fuel in it, then I can drive. We go to the servo, he puts some fuel in.
It seemed to run rough on the way, then even worse on the way back. There was surging, spluttering, engine rattle and driveline shudder.
"Mate, this things no good" I said
Nah, it's just the fuel from the servo, they said there tanks were low, etc, etc, bS*t etc.
I dont think so mate.
Then just as we're approaching my car, which was parked up the street, he says well, the boss took it camping up the beach on the weekend and he said it went great.
Can you pull over here for a minute? he does, and I said thanks mate, see you later, got out and walked away:p

[p38arover]

Ron,
Try the MudPit........:)

Oohh! Is she there? :twisted:

Ron

[p38arover]

Yards full of Arthur Daly's :D

Arthur Daly's what? Cars?

(The Apostrophe Man has struck again). :)

Ron

[dobbo]

Arthur Daly's what? Cars?

(The Apostrophe Man has struck again). :)

Ron

Watch it Ron else we'll have to get Terry on to you!

[dobbo]

It could be worse, you could have Del Boy trying to sell you a Brand new prototype D4, on special due to to much stock, but it only comes in hot pink and to seal the deal chuck in a playstation PS4.

[Frenchie]

My wife and I were in a cheapie yard once buying her a runaround, the salesmen all looked like rejects from Duran Duran, mullets and long coats. One of them asked what I did for a living and when I said a weather forecaster he started making smartarse comments.

My wife turned to him and said, in a very derisory tone - "What do people say when you tell them you're a car salesman?" :twisted:

[one_iota]

Arthur Daly's what? Cars?

(The Apostrophe Man has struck again). :)

Ron

:D

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde:

There is one thing worse than having your written English corrected by Ron and that is not having it corrected.

Mind you I think that a yard full of Arthur Daly's (cars) is great bit of Cockney.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

My wife and I were in a cheapie yard once buying her a runaround, the salesmen all looked like rejects from Duran Duran, mullets and long coats. One of them asked what I did for a living and when I said a weather forecaster he started making smartarse comments.

My wife turned to him and said, in a very derisory tone - "What do people say when you tell them you're a car salesman?" :twisted:

I like her work :)

[ATH]

When I was looking around for a Defender I went into a large LR dealer here in the West to check out a fairly nice example in their yard.
Oh dear, I couldn't stop the salesman from constantly ringing me at work whinging and moaning about how I'd shopped his price around and he accused me of being "un-principled"!!!!!
Can you imagine that........ a b. carsalesman calling someone else un-principled!!!!
In the end I had to be a bit nasty and told him to eff off.
And then there's their so called service manager.......... I can't comment on that bloke without being done for slander or something equally horrible and expensive.
Actually they rang me this morning to see when I'm taking the thing in for it's next service.
I told the girl the truth without being rude, but it was difficult.
Alan H.

[rmp]

My wife hates going to car yards or dealers with me because I get impatient with the sales guys. Classics:

"If you engage 4WD in the Landcruiser and lock the hubs you get more grip onroad"

"Sorry. we don't have any Troopies in stock. But the RAV4 is a good 4WD too"

"This handles better than my roadcar" ['this' being an XC90. God knows what his roadcar is]

"I don't know how many gears are in the gearbox. Let's count"

And the usual never-ending stream of suck-up platitudes and comments like "very well built car" "rides beautifully".

I'm no longer allowed to ask them any questions other than pricing.

I just find it irritating I end up knowing more about their product range than they do, probably like most people here.

[one_iota]

The first law of selling:

Know your customer first and then find a product to sell to them. If your client is a fool then you could sell them rusty rabbit traps.

[harro]

My wife hates going to car yards or dealers with me because I get impatient with the sales guys. Classics:

"If you engage 4WD in the Landcruiser and lock the hubs you get more grip onroad"

"Sorry. we don't have any Troopies in stock. But the RAV4 is a good 4WD too"

"This handles better than my roadcar" ['this' being an XC90. God knows what his roadcar is]

"I don't know how many gears are in the gearbox. Let's count"

And the usual never-ending stream of suck-up platitudes and comments like "very well built car" "rides beautifully".

I'm no longer allowed to ask them any questions other than pricing.

I just find it irritating I end up knowing more about their product range than they do, probably like most people here.

Yes, but my favorite is starting up the stone cold car sitting in the yard and then revving the crap out of it to show you how good it goes.:mad:

[sumo]

Makes you laugh , but car salesmen and me are like a match & a stick of dynamite!!, as soon as they open their mouth i"m on the defensive!.

took the daughter into a yard looking for her first car, this smart ar..se salesman walked up and said " Jeez Luv I don't think that hand bag will have enough cash to buy one of these"! *I Looked at him and said " theres to much in that handbag for the f....k.g crap your got here mate" and walked straight out the gate, another maybe lost sale?.

Cheers Sumo:D

[Utemad]

I looked at many Discos before buying mine. Only a few in yards as they were always overpriced and made of gold when you made an offer.

I lost count of the times I heard "This is a lot of car for the money".
Then when you point out the problems they say "yes but they all have that".

I love that insulted look they give when you make an offer and say they can sell it to another dealer for more than that. Then you see it in their yard months later.

[Blknight.aus]

On the days when we were poor in sydney (read off pay week) me and SWMBO used to have some fun with the local dealers...

We'd go in in my clapped out rover, dressed to the nines for us, claiming that weve just inherited some money and we'd like to upgrade, Im a mechanic by trade and Im not too worried about what i get so long as its got on demand permanant 4x4 is in good nick and you'll let me put it up on the hoist and have a nosey at the underside... but honestly I still prefer my old rover vut as long as my love and strife is happy well......

SO swmbo goes and has a sticky in the yard while I watch drinking coffee and discussing the "tech and history" of the vehicles shes looking at with the service guy. At this point we have at least 2 of the staff tied up and we're being really friendly with everyone, like we really want a nice easy deal.

one gets picked out, test drive done up on hoist sometimes to be yeah I like that shes all sweet other times, nahh im a bit concerned about that crack/mark/worn bush there. Have you got anything similar? or if I picked the car when Im all happy SWMBO pipes in with... but i dont like the color.

Then as they're filling out the paper work We'll spot something more expensive that we'd rather have and we'll ask questions while one rings the others mobile. One quick fake conversation about something urgent at work and without leaving a number we promise to return later to complete the transaction.

always good for a free coffee or 2 and fill in a saturday.

[Bigbjorn]

Someone oncetook a survey of peooples occupations. They discovered that the occupations held in lowest esteem by Australians are:- Prison warders, police informers, military policemen, used car and real estate salespersons.

[dobbo]

Someone oncetook a survey of peooples occupations. They discovered that the occupations held in lowest esteem by Australians are:- Prison warders, police informers, military policemen, used car and real estate salespersons.

You forgot politicians, Tax office workers and my favorite public transport employees.

[harro]

You forgot politicians, Tax office workers and my favorite public transport employees.

He could only include people in the survey!

[p38arover]

He could only include people in the survey!

That rules you and I out, Dobbo.

Ron

[dobbo]

That rules you and I out, Dobbo.

Ron

It's all your fault Ron your not letting the team down enough. I'm doing my part.

[Andrewpv01]

I can understand the rest but why prison warders? They do a #@*) of a job and have to put up with constant crap from inmates:confused:
And I'm not a prison warder - and I don't think I know any:D

Andrew

[JDNSW]

I can understand the rest but why prison warders? They do a #@*) of a job and have to put up with constant crap from inmates:confused:
And I'm not a prison warder - and I don't think I know any:D

Andrew

I think it is the type of person the job attracts - my son's mother in law is one - and I have to say the job suits her personality exactly.
John

[Utemad]

When I test drove the last car from a yard the salesman asked me to leave something there with him such as my licence. As I was getting it out he casually asked which car I came in. When I told him he said I could leave the keys to that instead. Sure I'll leave you the keys to my $70k work truck so I can test drive your $7k Disco (the brakes were scary, master cylinder was leaking).
He was offended when I laughed and said no way.

[incisor]

I think it is the type of person the job attracts - my son's mother in law is one - and I have to say the job suits her personality exactly.
John
if they arent that way when they start the system soon moulds them into the required shape...

bit sad really...

[crash]

We all have our stories about the used car saleman.
Somtimes you can struck it lucky and find them on a bit of a busy day, a car has sat on the yard a bit too long, and is not a dog, and they just want to get rid of it and are actaually willing to deal, on your terms.
I went looking for a used dual cab ute a few years ago, and the yard did not have any used but offered a drive in a new one, so of course I took it for a spin, buy mistake. I spent the next hour arguing with him that I was not going to buy his vehicle because I could only afford a 2nd hand. Only reason I did not walk out as they had my keys giving my trade in an appraisal.
I found with some would not bargain on price as they stated " some one will buy it at this price"
My favorite was when one sales man asked why I was buying a 4wd and I said to go bush he replied " You might get it scratched", wehn i said "thats my intentions" he just looked at me with disbelief.

[VladTepes]

Isuzurover !


You coming back and going to Perth ! I mean there's nothing wrong with the place but what will the lads do without you in Brissie mate ?! Dragging Rebecca to all corners of the world, I don't know....



:D

[DiscoDan]

Ah the car salesman, (use to do car detailing)

I read the responses and thought to myself YUP I can relate to this.

However I work in the servicing side of photocopiers and work with salespeople all the time.............

and you can't trust any of them!!!!!!!:angrylock:

If it wasn't for people like us then :o


I hate to think