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fernockulated
15th September 2006, 03:56 PM
Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would
sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding "a wake."

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of
places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house" and re use the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be saved by the bell" or was considered a "dead ringer."

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath
in May, and though they still smelled pretty good by June, they were
starting to smell. So brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the
house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women, and finally the children. Last of all, the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying,"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood
underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained, it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This
posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt.
Hence the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entranceway. Hence the saying a "thresh hold."

(Getting quite an education, aren't you?)

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that
always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added
things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite
special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid
content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom
of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper crust."

And that's the truth... Now, whoever said that History was boring ! :D

scrambler
15th September 2006, 04:30 PM
Tosh, ferno.

History was never that interesting. :p

http://www.classbrain.com/artteensb/publish/article_328.shtml

http://historymedren.about.com/od/dailylifesociety/a/bod_intro.htm

My personal favorite is the little bells so the undead can let you know they're still with you. These should be worth quite a bit of money now, I should think. :angel:

Steve

numpty
15th September 2006, 05:05 PM
I recall reading somewhere that people still get mistaken as dead even though they are alive. Sad but true and it seems has happened quite recently in India. A fact brought to mind recently when a doctor at work asked for an ECG (electrocardiograph) on a recently deceased person. Guess he wasn't taking any chances...needless to say we refused to do it...the person was very obviousely deceased!!

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Not at all sure those stories are quite true but they sound reasonable. Probably some reflection on how the sayings really came about ;)

scrambler
15th September 2006, 05:21 PM
Guess he wasn't taking any chances...needless to say we refused to do it...the person was very obviousely deceased!!

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Why didn't he ask for an EEG, NM? Maybe the person wasn't BRAIN dead despite their lack of circulation and breathing?

Steve

scrambler
15th September 2006, 05:23 PM
Bother all this debunking. Now I've discovered "Ring-a-ring-a-rosie" ISN'T about Plague. :(

DiscoDave
15th September 2006, 05:32 PM
Just goes to show the urban myth isn't a modern invention.:p

numpty
15th September 2006, 05:36 PM
I am right into all this history stuff especially from the 1600's and especially medical stuff.
Did you know Samuel Pepys had a bladder stone removed? No anaesthetic. Tied to the table while the surgeon made a cut between his b***s and anus, into his bladder, pulled the stone out with forceps. No stitching. They just packed the wound and hoped it healed. In his case it did but he had terrible trouble for the rest of his life. Most blokes ended up with infections and died. Bet you've all got you legs crossed :p

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discoute
15th September 2006, 05:40 PM
Bored are we. ;) ;) ;)

glen

scrambler
15th September 2006, 06:03 PM
Most blokes ended up with infections and died.

Which is why the Hippocratic Oath says "I will not cut for the stone."


Bet you've all got you legs crossed :p

I think you'd appreciate that orthopaedic surgery is what sets my nerves on end, not bladder stones. All the appeal (without anaesthetic) of excruciating pain and (worse) nails running down a blackboard.

Steve

gruntfuttock
15th September 2006, 06:10 PM
There was a case a few years ago in Germany, a man was sick and a Dr. called. He called the ambulance they took him to the hospital, there he was pronounced DOA and put in the morgue. There was to be an autopsy the next day but when they went down to do it, the body was gone.

The search of the hospital could not find him however he did explian to the police that he passed put and woke up naked and cold in the basement of the hospital and seeing gthat he could not find any clothes he just snuck out to go back home. :8

numpty
15th September 2006, 06:57 PM
I think you'd appreciate that orthopaedic surgery is what sets my nerves on end,

Steve

You an ortho then Steve? Nothing better than the sound of broken bone ends making contact :eek: Not!!

scrambler
15th September 2006, 07:16 PM
You an ortho then Steve? Nothing better than the sound of broken bone ends making contact :eek: Not!!
No, Numpty's Missus, trying to be a GP after a decade of odd (and I mean odd) jobs for Governments. Just still have that tingling sensation in the back of my neck from seeing the "angle grinder" taken to limbs. Apologies to those who feel unwell :D

Not sure I could have been a "sawbones" before anaesthetics.

Steve

harry
15th September 2006, 07:26 PM
look what you started al,
they all are stupified by your initial post.
don't do that again!

numpty
15th September 2006, 07:29 PM
No, Numpty's Missus, trying to be a GP

Steve

Ah ha!! Work hard at it then Steve. They keep telling us we need more GP's ;) You'd earn more if you were an ortho :D

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scrambler
15th September 2006, 07:42 PM
(Just to get the thread back on track)

Back when I was in high school a fellow used to come and do live-action shows.

He was a little into the whole swords and armour thing.

The first year he did the Middle Ages - learnt heaps of stuff of no immediate use - like how to defeat chain-mail armour (archery) and the origin of the one-finger salute (French threatened to cut the fingers off any English archer- the archers used to show the French they still had them).

The next year he did Romans, and I learnt a heap more - again of no immediate use. I learned why officers carry pistols (summary execution), that the plate armour you see in the movies was worn by a small minority of Roman soldiers, that a Legion was 600 not 1000 men (and a Century 60 not 100) and so on.

He was perhaps a little mad, definitely a little disinhibited and I don't think I'll forget the stuff ever. Seeing a few of my classmates run 100m in armour while he shot arrows over them to indicate the superiority of archery over hand-to-hand combat was memorable, as was when he got half-a-dozen kids with spears to form a line, told them he was going to get through them (he was being the Norman knight, they the Saxon infantry) AND THEY SHOULD TRY TO KILL HIM :eek:

The second year, during a "slave auction" he flicked up the back of one of the girl's skirts to "demonstrate the merchandise." He was just playing the part, but he didn't come back again.

Steve

fernockulated
15th September 2006, 08:08 PM
:o keep that up and this will end up in the mud pit:D



(just kidding)

p38arover
15th September 2006, 09:54 PM
.....and the origin of the one-finger salute (French threatened to cut the fingers off any English archer- the archers used to show the French they still had them).

Funny you should mention this. I came across this item last week: http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.htm


Secondly, for a variety of reasons, it made no military sense whatsoever for the French to capture English archers, then mutilate them by cutting off their fingers.

You need to read all the reasons.

Ron

scrambler
15th September 2006, 10:06 PM
Interesting, very interesting. Not least because my informant said it was 3 fingers (and the salute changed over time) and made no mention of any associated words. And he gave a reason for it, tied it to Agincourt, but AFTER Agincourt not before.

His story: After Agincourt the French claimed that the English archers were poisoning their arrows. They did this based on the high number of knights that died not of their wounds but of high fevers days or weeks after the battle. As a result, he claimed, the French took revenge by mutilating any archers they captured because as they saw it the English had started the dirty tactics. And cutting off three fingers didn't make the person useless, just useless as an archer. And the poisoning? Agincourt was fought in a cow paddock, and the English archers stuck their arrows point-first into the softest ground (or substance on the ground) they could find. This was before germs but after septicaemia (for any Princess Bride fans).

That was his story, not sure if it was history.

Steve

scrambler
15th September 2006, 10:35 PM
OK, at least one source backs him up. No mention of "plucking yew."

http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ajcd/archery/faq/history.html

And a related event

http://kenilworthvoicestwo.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/page2.html

Don't know on this. There's another reference to an earlier threat by the French to mutilate archers that I found on a history forum, but that was the blind leding the blind.

I'd have to say that I'm not going to file this under Myth: debunked or under Fact: proven. Excpet for the "pluck yew" bit - that's just nonsense.

Steve

Blknight.aus
15th September 2006, 11:02 PM
some other things worth knowing...

a 21 gun salute was originally a naval thing... A ship before entering port would fire all of its port side guns when entering a port or all of them before entering a harbour showing that all of its cannons were empty, a sign of peace. (not sure if i have harbour/port in the right places.

to freeze the balls off of a brass monkey was navy term, the ready rounds for a cannon were mose efficiently stacked as a pyramid, to stop the bottom ones from rolling they were placed in a rack, called a monkey and it was made of brass. As brass contracts a lot faster than iron when it gets cold it also more readily atttracts ice that can bulk it up. When this happened the cannon balls would fall off...

The whole nine yards has several possable sources...

1. naval... A triple master has 9 yard arms hence a triple under full sail is giving it the whole 9 yards..

2. Historical marriage dresses were made from a 9 yard bolt of cloth. A lot of this was not readily visable so cheaper and quickly made dresses did without... Therefore a quality item had said to be given the whole 9 yards.

3. RAF. The waist guns for the flying fortress had ammunition belts 9 yards long (about 12-15 seconds of firing with the gun on full noise) when asked over the intercom or in a debriefing how the waist gunner knew that he had hit the enemy plane his response would be "because I gave him the whole 9 yards"

The F#$% word is alledgedly ment to stand for

Fornication Under Consent of King..
apparently somewhere STD was rife and suspected so only people considered "clean" by royal medical staff were issued a consent. (makes for some interesting connotations of *#$% me and I'll be %#@&ed.)

Of the three arms of service, Army, Air force and Navy, only navy is an acronym and it dates back to the days of castles. It stands for Nautical Armed Voulenteer Yoeman.. Which also nicely covers the job title Yoeman within the Navy.


That'll do for now..

numpty
16th September 2006, 06:27 AM
OK, at least one source backs him up. No mention of "plucking yew."

http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ajcd/archery/faq/history.html (http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/%7Eajcd/archery/faq/history.html)

And a related event

http://kenilworthvoicestwo.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/page2.html

Don't know on this. There's another reference to an earlier threat by the French to mutilate archers that I found on a history forum, but that was the blind leding the blind.

I'd have to say that I'm not going to file this under Myth: debunked or under Fact: proven. Excpet for the "pluck yew" bit - that's just nonsense.

Steve

The fellows that do the re-enactment at the Abbey Tournie up here near Brisbane tell the same story about "plucking yew". Without laying my eyes on the written evidence personally I take any of this sort of thing with a grain of salt. Sure, there is some degree of truth in any of these stories but we all know about "chinese whispers" !!

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