Potential Changes to NT road rules

[dmdigital]

Well it's starting to happen, tonight on the NT news there was the information regarding the release of a government investigation into NT road issues. The 2 main things the media brought out were: demerit points (which we don't have, and could probably do with) and the introduction of a territory speed limit of 110kph. I suppose its only a mater of time before we get brought in line with the other states :mad:

[rangieman]

welcome to big brother mate

i spose they are a bit slow on the revenue up take thing :D

[dmdigital]

welcome to big brother mate

i spose they are a bit slow on the revenue up take thing :D


They have speed camera's and red light camera's (at least in Darwin, last time I got there). So we have all the modern revenue raisers, just like down south. Makes the tourists feel at home.

[Quiggers]

That's really bad news...

Time to get a lobby group which pushes the reasons to maintain the current road situations...

Question 1, minister: what is the reason behind the (potential) change to the NT highway spped limit?

(Having been in the lobby game, I'll tie you up for years with questions if you need).

Limits in the NT are not acceptable.

If you're really concerned, let us all know, so we can lobby - there's a big civil liberties issue here.

GQ

[dobbo]

They have speed camera's and red light camera's (at least in Darwin, last time I got there). So we have all the modern revenue raisers, just like down south. Makes the tourists feel at home.

Will it really effect you? I don't think they even have a roundabout in Gove do they?

[dmdigital]

Will it really effect you? I don't think they even have a roundabout in Gove do they?

We have A roundabout! Just no traffic lights:D

[Michael2]

Someone should do an injury severity graph for travel speed which shows probability of fatality or serious injury (according to available data) for a given speed.


this I'm sure they already have....... but


then there should be a graph on probability of fatality or serious injury for a given travel time. (relates to fatigue and extra time spent on the road).

Overlay the two sets of data, and then compare the risks in the NT given the distances between major towns.


The faster you travel, the less time you spend on the road, which is a dangerous place to be....


Airlines skew the data similarily to show how safe air travel is. It's safer per km travelled, not per journey. The fact that one journey is equivalent to several thousand car journeys is not mentioned.

[JDNSW]

Someone should do an injury severity graph for travel speed which shows probability of fatality or serious injury (according to available data) for a given speed.


this I'm sure they already have....... but


then there should be a graph on probability of fatality or serious injury for a given travel time. (relates to fatigue and extra time spent on the road).

Overlay the two sets of data, and then compare the risks in the NT given the distances between major towns.


The faster you travel, the less time you spend on the road, which is a dangerous place to be....


Airlines skew the data similarily to show how safe air travel is. It's safer per km travelled, not per journey. The fact that one journey is equivalent to several thousand car journeys is not mentioned.

Actually, in Australia for example, travel by major airline is far safer even on a per journey basis than car travel - there has never been a fatality in Australia with a scheduled jet airliner (although there have been some close calls), and this record goes back forty years. And when you include smaller aircraft the journeys get a lot shorter, so the per journey risk is probably not very different from car travel. But your point is well made about selecting the statistics to suit the point you want to prove. A good example is the case yesterday where the statistics show that the gun buy-back had no effect on gun deaths - prompting an immediate response that there have been no mass murders using guns since the buyback (these were always a rare event). Whether the buyback was successful then depends simply on how you use the statistics.
John

[DirtyDawg]

gonna make travelling time unacceptable and double the uni degreed coppers up there as they will have to use radar...:D:D

[Graeme]

The faster you travel, the less time you spend on the road, which is a dangerous place to be....



I've heard this about intersections....

[dmdigital]

One other fact that came up was that approx. 60% of the NT road toll occurs in speed limited areas. I'd also like to see the statistics on what % of those incidents and fatalities that occur on unrestricted roads involve interstate drivers or drivers unfamiliar with the road.

When you don't have to worry about the speed limit you then concentrate more on the car, what is around you and what the conditions are.

[UncleHo]

G'day JDNSW:)
I agree with you re the fatalities for scheduled jet airliners, BUT there were fatalities from the Fokker Friendship (F15) crash in the 60's off the Qld Coast, and that and others were scheduled commercial flights.
cheers.

[BigJon]

Once again people are jumping on the speed bandwagon without even considering the underlying issue.

The quality of the average Australian driver is absolutely woeful. It is too easy to get a drivers licence and then keep it for years and years without ever having to be retested on skills or road rule knowledge.

If anybody in a position of power had any balls, then driver training would actually occur, rather than people learning how to reverse park.

How can it be that people are happy with the level of expertise required to operate such a lethal machine?

One of the reasons that air travel is safe is because, by and large, the pilots who operate aircraft are actually good at what they do. The average punter behind the wheel of a car is by far the most dangerous piece of the puzzle.

I could rant about this subject for hours on end, because it frustrates me so much. The policy makers seem to think it is better to lower expectations than raise standards. It is easier to do this, but not better. Why treat the symptoms without curing the problem?

Off the soap box.... for now!

[ATH]

We know how drivers get their licences but it's always amazed me how they managed to keep them, but when observing the performance in Perth of the majority of police drivers, the reason becomes obvious.
They ain't too good themselves at ordinary driving, road positioning, signalling etc. but I suppose the priority is always on high speed performance.
I made a complaint some years ago about the driving of a bike cop in Perth and the copper following it up reckoned they give them very in-depth training.
My answer to that was they appear to forget that as soon as they've got behind the wheel of a cops car when they should be setting an example of how it should be done to the rabble they're handing out tickets to.
However, in WA you're unlucky to get a ticket for anything except speeding, so as long as you just plod along with all concentration on the speedo, it's all alright.
Pity about the shocking death rate though isn't it.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/225.jpg
Alan H.

[stevo]

during the xmas holidays the road toll is very low or nil,you would expect at least 1 or 2 over the holidays,I have done the trip from darwin to alice springs a couple of times at speed,I would hate to do it at 110 km's it would be a two day trip and boring

[Ace]

I think it was Wheels Magazine who published an article on a trail in the US where they increased the speed limit on freeways but 10mph to see what effect it would have on the amount of accidents. They actually founds, as someone said above, that the amount of accidents dramatically decreased because people spent less time on the road there minimising the risk of having an accident.

I would also suggest that its not speed in alot of cases its under experienced drivers who shouldnt have a licence who cause these accidents, as someone has also said. Sure fatal accidents are caused on country roads when someone is speeding, but this may only be 10kph over the speed limit which to most people isnt that bad, but if you cant drive to begin with its lethal and thats why we have speed limits. Sure the speed limits in the NT are unrestricted because of the nature of the roads and the distances between towns, and yes people who drive these roads at speed everyday dont have that many accidents but you can say if you are from another state you have to do 110km/h and if you are from the NT do what you want because that will cause accidents.

Look at the Auto Bahns in Germany, relatively accident free because there are strict rules in place for people using them and these are enforced regularly. The major cause of accidents on freeways is because people travel to fast its because they travel to slow in the wrong lanes. People do 90 in the middle lane when the slow lane is empty, do the police enforce this? No they dont because they arent speeding. The fact that it is more dangerous because people go down either side of the car to pass it at much higher speeds is missed. People changing lanes without looking over their shoulder and changing lanes to violently also cause accidents.

Matt

[dmdigital]

Look at the Auto Bahns in Germany, relatively accident free...

Bad example they are reasonably fatallity free (lot to do with quality of safety in the cars) but they have some really major accidents.

That said in Germany I believe learners must also learn to drive at speed on the Autobahn.

As mentioned what we really need is better driver training.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

sometimes its pretty simple,,

I got a lift with a workmate to Hervey Bay for 3 weeks,,

How we survived,, I do not Know.

She had no idea, the turnoff to Boorall rd is marked with a Highway 1 style , Large Green sign,, and she over shot it 3 times in 15 days,,
by over shot I mean--
full-brake-lock-up-turn-the-wheel-and prey.


now you might be wondering why I hadnt intervened before the turn-off??


after the first time,, I thought,, oh! yada yada yada! was to blame

did I mention Mother came along for the ride???


The second time I said " turn left coming up!"
waiting---


squeal,, squeal,,


after she couldnt get between two bowsers,,

I pulled the ripcord and bailed,,



its true--

some people just cant drive.

no!

some people should be prevented from driving!

[Bushie]

We have A roundabout! Just no traffic lights:D
Reminds me of when I was in Alice Springs in 1985 when they opened the first set of traffic lights, was a big event.


Martyn

[cewilson]

during the xmas holidays the road toll is very low or nil,you would expect at least 1 or 2 over the holidays,I have done the trip from darwin to alice springs a couple of times at speed,I would hate to do it at 110 km's it would be a two day trip and boring

Tell me about it!!! Here to Darwin is normally a 2 1/2 hour run. Be stuffed if I'm going to like it when it becomes a nearly 4 hour run at 110km/h. It will drive me nuts!

If they really need a bloody limit - at least make it 130 or 140 or something. Not 110. People are going to go to sleep at the wheel or similar. The road is so long and boring it's not funny.

Oh well - sooner or later the eastern states where always going to catch up with us.