Salesman thinks Jeep is better than D3

[101RRS]

As I have mentioned in previously I will be retiring soon and want to buy a new diesel 4wd but Discos are too expensive and Defenders too rough. So I have been thinking about a CRD Jeep Cherokee.

At lunch time today I decided to have a look at one for the first time at the local dealer who is also the Landrover dealer. The Jeep looks a nice enough car for what I want - surprisingly only the same size as my Freelander and the Jeeps are even cheaper than Freelanders.

Anyway on departing I said to the salesman that it was a shame that the rear suspension was not independent. He went on to say that a beam axle was the best etc etc etc for offroad work - well up until recently I would have agreed - but I said to him the disco is now independent and they would have to be one of the most capable 4wds around off the showroom floor and they have shown that you can have good capability without beam axles etc etc etc

then he said oh - a Jeep Cherokee will outdo a D3 offroad anytime - I argued that I didn't think that would be the case but he went on to say that he has driven both and the Jeep is far superior etc etc etc and that jeeps are always pulling Discos 3 out etc etc etc etc - yeah rite mate and I left with the brochures.

Now tell me - how is Landrover ever going to start selling its products if its own sales people are not pushing the products.

I have read an Australian test comparison between a Freelander TD4 and the previous engined diesel cherokee and overall the TD4 was rated the better vehicle with the jeep rated only marginally better offroad and that is a jeep with low range and a TD4 with no low range. So if the Jeep is only just a bit better than the Freelander offroad then no way is it anywhere near the capability of D3.

It is little wonder so few new Landies are sold in this country!!

Gazzz

[ak]

If the dealership had both brands LR and Jeep which I gather from your post they did the salesman needs a kick up the @#se for bagging one product over the other.

I read I think in 4wd monthly or one of them the one that just came out this week. LR only sold 113 or 133 D3,s last month. As I have been saying too many times before PRICING, PRICING, PRICING. enough said.

[p38arover]

Maybe you need to send that to LRA?

Ron

[Ace]

Hit the nail on the head. There just arent many salesmen around who are genuinely into the brand of vehicle they sell. This guy has probably been a car salesman for numerous dealers selling numerous brands. Either way when sellling a vehicle you shouldnt be doing stuff like that cause now if you dont decide to go with the jeep you wont go back to buy the land rover.

As for the diesel 4wd option, scrap the jeep and go with a DiD Pajero, had a cruise in one at the orange field days last week and reckon they are pretty good. I will also talking to one of the blokes who works with 4x4 Australia, Phil someone can remember his last name but he does most of the 4wdoty tests and runs his own tag-along business and is a highly acclaimed 4wd trainer apparently. He loves land rovers but reckoned for the km's he did it was costing him to much. He now has a pajero and loves it, and for less money than some of the top of the line models in other brands they come will all the gizmos standard and they have a 5yr warranty and 10yr drivetrain warranty. Now i dont swallow all the crap these blokes tell me and i only had a run around a track at low speed for about 15mins but the vehicle was impressive. Matt

[Ace]

Or wait for the new freelander, they have terrain repsone. :)

[Ruslan]

All depends from driver: right line, gear, tyre pressure, experience. My mate drives Mazda Bravo dual cab and pulls all others in our offroad trips (except me :)

[spudboy]

Maybe he gets more commission from Jeep than Land Rover.....

[Ace]

Maybe you need to send that to LRA?

Ron

Either that or a phone call to the dealership and ask for the manager. Matt

[Phoenix]

Just because both brands are at the dealership doesn't mean that it's his job to sell land rovers. I know that many of the dealers here who have multiple brands have different people to sell each brand.

[ak]

Hit the nail on the head. There just arent many salesmen around who are genuinely into the brand of vehicle they sell. This guy has probably been a car salesman for numerous dealers selling numerous brands. Either way when sellling a vehicle you shouldnt be doing stuff like that cause now if you dont decide to go with the jeep you wont go back to buy the land rover.

As for the diesel 4wd option, scrap the jeep and go with a DiD Pajero, had a cruise in one at the orange field days last week and reckon they are pretty good. I will also talking to one of the blokes who works with 4x4 Australia, Phil someone can remember his last name but he does most of the 4wdoty tests and runs his own tag-along business and is a highly acclaimed 4wd trainer apparently. He loves land rovers but reckoned for the km's he did it was costing him to much. He now has a pajero and loves it, and for less money than some of the top of the line models in other brands they come will all the gizmos standard and they have a 5yr warranty and 10yr drivetrain warranty. Now i dont swallow all the crap these blokes tell me and i only had a run around a track at low speed for about 15mins but the vehicle was impressive. Matt

Matt I agree I think the DiD Pajero's even come with rear diff lock as standard a very good value for money package, with top of the range at about $70K ( not on road ) and tag in on someone's fleet hard to go past.

[Ace]

Matt I agree I think the DiD Pajero's even come with rear diff lock as standard a very good value for money package, with top of the range at about $70K ( not on road ) and tag in on someone's fleet hard to go past.

I was really impressed, if i was looking to buy another 4wd for family purposes and keep the disco for off roading i reckon i would look long and hard at the Pajero, of course a D3 would be great but not really realistic. I also read somewhere that the DiD goes better than the V6 Petrol model, use bugger all fuel and are pretty good off road because of the electronics. In terms of value for money they crap all over the Prado, and you cant get Jackeroo's anymore. matt

[Quiggers]

The guy's a Jeep salesman and doing his job - never let the facts get in the road of a good story!

As for the Jeep - gotta find that video where the Cherokee drops its guts on a small berm - gearboxes do really fall out!

Why not get a late model Discovery, there's plenty for sale at half (or less) of the new price and often driven by mums taking the kids to school.

GQ

[FenianEel]

Jeep lesser than a Freelander?:lol2:
Jeep better than a D3:2up: :bat:
Openly advocating the merits of a Paj on aulro:banban: :rocket: :toilet:

As Roy as HG would say "people, you need to go into the house of mirrors, and have a good hard look at yourselves":no2: :zzz:

What's next, I ask? Yeah, you think it's a joke, but before you know it, the rot's set in and someone like Ron, will be considering buying a Tojo:D

[ak]

Jeep lesser than a Freelander?:lol2:
Jeep better than a D3:2up: :bat:
Openly advocating the merits of a Paj on aulro:banban: :rocket: :toilet:

As Roy as HG would say "people, you need to go into the house of mirrors, and have a good hard look at yourselves":no2: :zzz:

What's next, I ask? Yeah, you think it's a joke, but before you know it, the rot's set in and someone like Ron, will be considering buying a Tojo:D

"Point taken" fair comment.

[p38arover]

What's next, I ask? Yeah, you think it's a joke, but before you know it, the rot's set in and someone like Ron, will be considering buying a Tojo:D

Moi? Never! I'd become Irish before that! :D

Ron

[Ace]

Ok, not really the done thing on AULRO, but just helping out with choosing a vehicle when a Land Rover model has been ruled out, not that bad is it? Matt :angel:

[FenianEel]

Moi? Never! I'd become Irish before that! :D

Ron

Who says we'd have ye?!:D:D

[FenianEel]

Ok, not really the done thing on AULRO, but just helping out with choosing a vehicle when a Land Rover model has been ruled out, not that bad is it? Matt :angel:
RELAX PEOPLE, I WAS TAKING THE P*SS:D

[101RRS]

Why not get a late model Discovery, there's plenty for sale at half (or less) of the new price and often driven by mums taking the kids to school.GQ

Just considering options and have considered exactly that but have decided to get a new car for retirement and have an old cheap RR or something like for the trips.

Considering 2wd cars too but like the idea that if I am on a Sunday afternoon drive in the normal car and see somewhere I might want to go like a nice track or beach I would stand half a chance of doing it. Hence 4wds around $40-$45k on the road - something that will be reliable but not bust the retirement dollars. Others under consideration are Vitara, Forrester but they are not diesel. New Freelander will be too expensive and while it will have Terrain Response it will still not have a low range capability.

The Jeep Cherokee seems a good compromise but if Disco sales continue to be average maybe I might pick up a good demo or end of year run out at a good price.

All options are still open for consideration.

Maybe AULRO could take over as Landrover Importers and market and price the things properly :)

Gazzz

Gazzz

[Ace]

RELAX PEOPLE, I WAS TAKING THE P*SS:D

Really where you? I would never have guessed. :D :D I know FE i know.

[Ace]

Maybe AULRO could take over as Landrover Importers and market and price the things properly :)

The strength of the pound over every other currency on earth isnt helping prices for us here at the moment. Thats why the Freelander sells so well in the UK and EU but doesnt sell here. The exhange rate makes it prohibitively expensive here. Matt

[Jamo]

My wife's step-father has a Grand Cherokee 3.0CRD.

Not a bad piece of kit, but generally not put together as well as a Disco3.

I don't know what it's like off-road as his idea of off-roading is parking it on the front lawn.

[1103.9TDI]

Yeah, I'd go for a decent pre-loved TDV6 D3. They seem to loose their value as you drive them out of the showroom, just make absolutely sure it hasn't come out of the panel beaters/or been previously pinched (aka: 4corners).
I, for one don't feel insecure about discussing the virtues of other four wheelers. I know mine is without doubt, far superior in every way!.:D

[p38arover]

Who says we'd have ye?!:D:D

Yair, you're right. I'm an Anglophile.

But to get back on topic, I did consider a Jeep for my wife. The price was right (albeit for the V6 petrol) but, in the end, we went for a Forester as we didn't really need another o9ff-roader.

Ron

[tombraider]

If the dealership had both brands LR and Jeep which I gather from your post they did the salesman needs a kick up the @#se for bagging one product over the other.

I read I think in 4wd monthly or one of them the one that just came out this week. LR only sold 113 or 133 D3,s last month. As I have been saying too many times before PRICING, PRICING, PRICING. enough said.

Thats because they have no stock and sales are based on registrations.

Wait till around Feb/Mar when the big shipment arrives!

[Bigbjorn]

Who says we'd have ye?!:D:D

As they will give an Irish passport to anyone who can claim one Irish grand-parent, I would say the Irish would take anyone who had the price of a passport. Even with dusky complexions, turbans, veils.