2007 Defender - Ford Spare Parts Bin

[solmanic]

I knew I had seen the eyeball vents in the new Defender somewhere before - then it hit me... the Ford FIESTA!

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6507/2007defenderdashku9.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3356/fiestadashjj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So along with the Transit engine, what other parts that may be lying around are Ford going to chuck into the new Defender?

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Cool! I've got some of them already!!. I can confirm they work quite well :)

[crossy]

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http://www.chemistry.msu.edu/facilities/nmr/kermit.jpg

[spudboy]

Well spotted!

[5teve]

all this talk of worry about the engine in the new defender... look at the transit! it has a bad reputation in the UK not for being a poor engine just being a stupidly fast van... even if the defender will be up against a tdv8 twin turbo from other manufacturers... nothing will be able to catch the defender..

your lucky over here that most people have utes/4x4's and trailers the UK its all transit vans wacking around at around 160kmh down the motorways.. and dont even mention the merc sprinters... as i have followed one of those at around 200kmh... then gave up!

im not a big ford fan... but they seem to be doing a good job of the landrover side of things..

Steve

[Phoenix]

Ok that kermit pic confirms that I want one in Green :twisted:

[solmanic]

But I think a Transit van is slightly more aerodynamic than a Defender - and the kerb weight is about 400kg less.

[Scallops]

all this talk of worry about the engine in the new defender... look at the transit! it has a bad reputation in the UK not for being a poor engine just being a stupidly fast van... even if the defender will be up against a tdv8 twin turbo from other manufacturers... nothing will be able to catch the defender..

I tend to think the new engine would appear to be a good replacement for the td5 - I saw another poster complaining that the new engine is a 4 cylinder 2.4l buzzbox plumber's engine:p - well, if I had wanted a V8 I wouldn't have bought a LR, I'd have got a real V8 - a Holden ute! - to me, its part of the genius - a smaller engine that outperforms the 4.2l jap 4X4.:D

[Ace]

I think the new engine will be good, its got the same horse power as the TD5 but has about 50Nm more torque and its more useable throughout the rev range. LROI did a test and were impressed. Matt

[loanrangie]

If you look at the design, 2.4 ltrs spread over 4 cylinders instead of 5 over 2.5 ltrs, it is bound to have a longer stroke which will give it the extra torque, now if they stroked the 2.5 out to 3ltr it would be a rocket !

[MacMan]

I've driven rented or borrowed transits for work over the last 3 years and they go like stink even with a decent payload. Infact, once you are on 110, it is hard not to speed!

[Frenchie]

I've been doing a bit of research since my vehicle blew up and I'm impressed by what I've seen. It's also twin cam, 4 valves per cylinder as opposed to the Td5's single and two, and has a variable vane turbo.

Sure it's not a V8 but it looks as though it will do the job and we all know that off road horse power isn't what's important.

I also like the sound of the 6 speed gearbox and the 40% more efficient aircon. :cool:

[ak]

Nothing wrong with that engine going into the 2007 defender.

Just a shame that they did not put the TdV8 into the defender. It could have been done. The UK mags say that in a few years that the D3 will get that the TDV8 as part of a mid life update.

Just a shame when even toyota are putting a TDV8 into the new Landcruiser's next year including the new 5 door troppie which really won't be a troopie, if you get my drift.

[solmanic]

I suppose another bonus about the Defender dropping a cylinder is that rego will be cheaper. Here in QLD a 5 cylinder engine costs the same to register as a 6 cylinder engine.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I'm watching this with interest. There is nothing in it that makes me feel I need to upgrade now.

However, when the last one rolls out in 2009 or 2010 and we know what's coming next I think I'll definitely be considering it then <flame_suit> as my last chance ever to own a real landrover. </flame_suit> :eek: :eek:

[p38arover]

I suppose another bonus about the Defender dropping a cylinder is that rego will be cheaper. Here in QLD a 5 cylinder engine costs the same to register as a 6 cylinder engine.

They charge based on cylinders? :eek: How archaic. What does a V10 cost, or a V12?

Ron

[Utemad]

They charge based on cylinders? :eek: How archaic. What does a V10 cost, or a V12?

Ron
A 9 to 12 cylinder vehicle will set you back $552.80 plus Compulsory Third Party Insurance (CTP). Including CTP the full cost of registration is a little more than double the rego cost. So I'd guess about $1100-1200.

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTASinfo.nsf/index/registration_fees

[abaddonxi]

They charge based on cylinders? :eek: How archaic. What does a V10 cost, or a V12?

Ron

$1,018.45
Including CTP.

Cheers
Simon

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yes,, its fun owning two v8's in QLD,,,,:(

[disco_nex]

Be interesting what the new Defender will look like. Might be Ford owned, but as long as it is still has a british designer with it and is a real 4WD, it will be good.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I spoke to a LR rep at the Brisbane motorshow last night and he said the new Fender will now be 3/4 quarter if at all. Might not even get here until 2008 :o

I asked him if it was worth updating from mine and he wouldn't outrightly say no, but he said no if you know what I mean :)

[cookiesa]

SA still charge by the cylinder. ($125 3 months in regional SA, city slightly more)

[Scallops]

I spoke to a LR rep at the Brisbane motorshow last night and he said the new Fender will now be 3/4 quarter if at all. Might not even get here until 2008 :o

I asked him if it was worth updating from mine and he wouldn't outrightly say no, but he said no if you know what I mean :)

Well thats amazing - I've paid my deposit for a '07 Fender and am promised it by late June this year - Austral landrover, Brisbane.

They can't take the money and not deliver it.

[cookiesa]

Well thats amazing - I've paid my deposit for a '07 Fender and am promised it by late June this year - Austral landrover, Brisbane.

They can't take the money and not deliver it.
Actually they can! (Check the contract... fine print!) delivery is not their problem.

However you can bet they will be doing everything they can to get you the vehicle ASAP cause they don't get paid till they deliver it to you. (and often have to start paying "floor plan" (finance) on the vehicle as soon as it is released from Landrover Australia

Catch is there is often incentives for salespeople/dealers who take the most forward orders on a new release so sometimes 100% honesty/accuracy in delivery times can be difficult. (If they tell you late 07 early 08 and another dealer says june 07, but you need to get your name in quick... who gets the order?)

Not saying this articular dealer has done that, could be right the guy at the show may have been trying to create urgency to order but not done it well, or may have had no idea and bluffed

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

Of course they would say Late June :) end of financial Year, pay the Deposit and it goes into this years Figures, the balance into 2007-08 figures :cool: that way one can always rely on "Held up on the Docks in UK" awaiting "Aust Customs Clearance" " They all landed in Sydney and will have to be transported to Bris-Vagas" anything that will keep the Customer in the Dark:(

Who says that I worked in the Motor Trade :o ;) :wasntme:

[mcrover]

From the people who gave us the F100 that was as long as 3 110s put together and as wide as 2 of them and as practical as you know what on a bull and the Exploder (Explorer) which as it's nick name says can explode in a rear end accident and the timing belts only lasted 20,000km at best, comes the upgraded Land Rover Defender.

Engine, Same as Transit van where a mate of mine had to remove the intake tube from the aircleaner and shove his jacket in to stop the engine from running off the sump oil.
It was also the thing that gave alot of Ford dealers a lot of headaches for a long time but they may have got them right by now.

Drivetrain, 6 speed gearbox (why?) and electronic transfer case to turn it from a 4wd off road vehical to something you can't risk taking too far from a dealership.

I wont buy one, I wont buy a s2 disco because I don't want problems when in the bush so I'll keep rebuilding the D1.

[Scallops]

From the people who gave us the F100 that was as long as 3 110s put together and as wide as 2 of them and as practical as you know what on a bull and the Exploder (Explorer) which as it's nick name says can explode in a rear end accident and the timing belts only lasted 20,000km at best, comes the upgraded Land Rover Defender.

Engine, Same as Transit van where a mate of mine had to remove the intake tube from the aircleaner and shove his jacket in to stop the engine from running off the sump oil.
It was also the thing that gave alot of Ford dealers a lot of headaches for a long time but they may have got them right by now.

Drivetrain, 6 speed gearbox (why?) and electronic transfer case to turn it from a 4wd off road vehical to something you can't risk taking too far from a dealership.

I wont buy one, I wont buy a s2 disco because I don't want problems when in the bush so I'll keep rebuilding the D1.

Well OK - No one is suggesting you do buy one. Unlike everyone else on this site, I don't have a Land Rover at all - I want a Defender 110 - I can't get a TD5 - I have to get the new one if I want a new vehicle. So I'll get the new one. Most of the press relating to the new model is positive - there is always someone who had a mate, that knew this bloke, who had an uncle, that had a transit engine, that was ****e etc etc etc.

But as I say - if I want a new 110 then I get the ****e box new Ford one - I'll just take that chance - My gutfeel is that the new model will be a far better vehicle - but then I am a mechanical Galah- and a 6 speed gearbox is for better highway cruising - isn't that obvious?

[shorty943]

all this talk of worry about the engine in the new defender... look at the transit! it has a bad reputation in the UK not for being a poor engine just being a stupidly fast van... even if the defender will be up against a tdv8 twin turbo from other manufacturers... nothing will be able to catch the defender..

your lucky over here that most people have utes/4x4's and trailers the UK its all transit vans wacking around at around 160kmh down the motorways.. and dont even mention the merc sprinters... as i have followed one of those at around 200kmh... then gave up!

im not a big ford fan... but they seem to be doing a good job of the landrover side of things..

Steve

Can't agree more Steve. I remember being amazed, at some of the 1970's Castrol footage of crazy Pom's driving early model transit vans on Speedways and Autocross tracks. And passing GT Cortina's and Cooper Mini's doing it. And that was with that dinky little Cosworth V4.

Shorty.

[cookiesa]

Can't be any worse than Land rover! Let's be honest all manufacturers have their problems but Daewoo come close to having better consistent build quality than Land rover did and BMW and Ford's input has got to have improved things,

[hiline]

Well OK - No one is suggesting you do buy one. Unlike everyone else on this site, I don't have a Land Rover at all - I want a Defender 110 - I can't get a TD5 - I have to get the new one if I want a new vehicle. So I'll get the new one. Most of the press relating to the new model is positive - there is always someone who had a mate, that knew this bloke, who had an uncle, that had a transit engine, that was ****e etc etc etc.

But as I say - if I want a new 110 then I get the ****e box new Ford one - I'll just take that chance - My gutfeel is that the new model will be a far better vehicle - but then I am a mechanical Galah- and a 6 speed gearbox is for better highway cruising - isn't that obvious?


mate and i'm sure you'll love it when it does come :D :D

i have a 130 now and if the price is right on a new one next year i'll be ordering one ASAP also:D :thumbsup: :twobeers:

[tombraider]

Lets be more logical about this too...

"If I do right no-one ever notices, when I do wrong no-one ever forgets"

That phrase sums up vehicles too...

When a vehicle stuffs up man do they tell the world... "These things are a load of blah blah blah"

Ford sold HOW MANY Explorers?
Ford sold HOW MANY Transits?

Even if 25,000 of each of them blew up/had troubles/were faulty etc.. that still equates to less than 1% of the total ever sold.

1% failure rate is excellent quality control for a company producing a product from in excess of 8000+ parts from multiple vendors, assembled by numerous employees and robots in less than an hour!

300 vehicles per shift means 1% is 3 vehicles with faults...

Yes it sucks if you get one of the 3, but geez.... lets get realistic here peoples.... that's 297 that are doing a great job.

Combine that with the different owners:
- Mechanically sympathetic
- Semi sympathetic
- Cotton gloves, meticulously maintained.
- 'Its just a car' owners who service by handbook
- 'Its just a car' owners who service it IF they remember to.
- Driven hard but dutifully maintained
- Driven hard and serviced per schedule
- Driven into the ground
- Driven nicely
- Driven at high RPM through all gears all the time

I mean, theres too damn many variables to get it right for everyone all the time....

[dullbird]

Drivetrain, 6 speed gearbox (why?) and electronic transfer case to turn it from a 4wd off road vehical to something you can't risk taking too far from a dealership.


if you dont mind me asking, how do you know that it has a electronic transfer case, i'm assuming you mean an electronic selection.
I think the 6 speed box is for a better spread of ratios, ie higher final drive for noise and fuel burn and allowing even lower gearing for off road use.

[p38arover]

if you dont mind me asking, how do you know that it has a electronic transfer case, i'm assuming you mean an electronic selection.

It might just be an electric motor to drive the selection like the P38A uses.


I think the 6 speed box is for a better spread of ratios, ie higher final drive for noise and fuel burn and allowing even lower gearing for off road use.

It could be that the Transit motor hasn't got as good a torque spread so it needs 6 gears. Dunno.

Ron

[dmdigital]

Isn't the GFT MT-82 gearbox in the new Defender a variation of the GFT MT series gearboxes Ford already uses in the latest Transit vans?

[Scallops]

It could be that the Transit motor hasn't got as good a torque spread so it needs 6 gears. Dunno.

I don't think so Ron - Torque output is higher than the TD5 right across the usable rev range, and the 360 Nm (265 lb ft) peak is delivered at only 2000 rpm; over 315 Nm (232 lb ft) of torque is available from 1500 rpm to 2700 rpm.

And this is from "Landy Online" - The increased engine torque also helps in-gear acceleration, and has allowed the new sixth gear to be set 20 per cent higher than the outgoing model’s top gear. This helps to improve real-world cruising refinement and fuel economy.

[p38arover]

Fair enough.

I have driven the current Transit loaded up with my daughter's furniture and it really does drive quite well - and it was an auto.

I've also driven the Mercedes Sprinter (7m long camper for a week's holiday) and it performed exceptionally well.

Ron

[DiscoTDI]

Are they going to make more leg room in the new one:confused:

[easo]

It's maybe the way the world is going but I still preffer to physicaly put the car into 4wd. With elec switches and the like you sit and wonder if the car is in the mode you want it. If it's manual then you know. I'll still try to convince the stealer that I intrested and take one for a test drive.

[Scallops]

It's maybe the way the world is going but I still preffer to physicaly put the car into 4wd. With elec switches and the like you sit and wonder if the car is in the mode you want it. If it's manual then you know. I'll still try to convince the stealer that I intrested and take one for a test drive.

Not sure I understand your point - a Defender is always in 4 wheel drive - and you do physically put it into low range. There are no special buttons to engage low range., only the little gear shift as per the current model.

[Utemad]

Not sure I understand your point - a Defender is always in 4 wheel drive - and you do physically put it into low range. There are no special buttons to engage low range., only the little gear shift as per the current model.

It is always in constant 4wd. In the current model to lock the centre diff you move the stubby lever left and to unlock move it right. Forwards and backwards is high and low range.

Some vehicles have 4wd lock/unlock on a button and low/hi on a lever.

I prefer the manual lever too.

[muddymech]

the defender has always been a manuel selection, im just wondering were mcrover found out that its now electronic.