Saddam Hung

[LandyAndy]

Apparently they have just hung Saddam.
Watch the yanks drop Iraq like a hot potatoe now!!!!
Andrew

[Sith]

Miss guided justice , they should hang politians , graffiti vandals , sex offenders , paedophiles , car theives , drug dealers ,

Hell all Saddam did was exactly what the CIA and MI6 put in power to do .
Then he wouldn't tow their line ...go figure

TEAM AMERICA .....Fukc Yeah :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[101RRS]

George Bush has killed more Iraqis in an illegal war that Saddam ever did - why isn't Bush being hung - not sayin Saddam shouldn't have hung but it had nothing to do with who is right or wrong - more to do with Might Is Right than justice.

[lokka]

Why not just nuke the whole middle east give em a 1 day warning and hit the button problem solved :twisted::twisted::twisted:

thats my opinion

[stevo68]

George Bush has killed more Iraqis in an illegal war that Saddam ever did No offence and withput getting into to the whole thing, I think you need to check your facts on that one. Secondly, illegal in who's eyes?? Whether there was the Iraqi invasion or not that ***** should have been hung either way, Id suggest do some reading up first. Bottom line these sort of things are always going to be extremely opinionated, though it does help to put forward a comment with at least some factual backup, happy days,

Regards

Stevo

[p38arover]

I think we can expect a lot more terrorism now from Saddam's supporters - and a lot more violence in Iraq.

I'm tempted to say we should get out of Iraq and let them kill each other.

Ron

[dungarover]

Why not just nuke the whole middle east give em a 1 day warning and hit the button problem solved :twisted::twisted::twisted:

thats my opinion

My thoughts exactly :eek:

Trav

[disco_nex]

Geez, Im loving these politics! The point is that one fella has been hung, now just everyone else to be hung....

[rangieman]

Hoo bloody ray:wasntme:

[numpty]

Opinions are just that___ Opinions! We all have them. I happen to agree with the opinon that we shouldn't have gone there in the first place. It was an invasion pure and simple and the yanks have once again made a rod for their own backs and again dragged us in. They put Him there in the first place and knowing a little bit about how the Middle East operates, why would they be so surprised that it all went pear shaped.

Only my opinion of course.

[Slunnie]

Apparently they have just hung Saddam.
Watch the yanks drop Iraq like a hot potatoe now!!!!
Andrew

Yep, hes a gonner.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/saddam-executed-in-iraq/2006/12/30/1166895509954.html

[101RRS]

No offence and withput getting into to the whole thing, I think you need to check your facts on that one. Secondly, illegal in who's eyes?? Whether there was the Iraqi invasion or not that ***** should have been hung either way, Id suggest do some reading up first. Bottom line these sort of things are always going to be extremely opinionated, though it does help to put forward a comment with at least some factual backup, happy days,

Regards

Stevo

Death rates because of the war far outweigh death rates under Saddam - under international law the unilateral invasion by the coalition without a UN mandate is illegal - the UN has said as much - as I said Might is Right - the US just wanted to take out Saddam so went and did it - not even the UN could stop them - that what makes it illegal - in 2003 waging war is illegal - we no longer live in a society that can just pick on who it choses - it may not be perfect but it is a start - there were other ways of dealing with Sadam and the US undermined the UN rather than giving it the teeth that it needs.

I can assure you - I know my facts. As you and others have said -we all have our opinions.

Cheers

Garry

[Jamo]

Well, I think the 150,000 Kurds that he killed and the 300,000 shi'ites that he killed might have something to say about that! Not to mention other Iraqis.

No matter who should've done or not have done whatever, an evil pathological killer is now no longer with us

Any views on any other polliticians/despots etc is a separate argument.

[Mud_Bogger6]

Why can't they do that to the polititions as well? :-(

[Mick-Kelly]

One less politician at least. A bullet when he was hiding in his hole would have been a lot cheaper than a farsical trial that could have no other outcome.

[Bigbjorn]

I have a friend who did most of his growing up and early adulthood in the Emirates and Kuwait. His father had a senior job with an oilfield support company. He reckons sand n-----s should be declared outside the protection of law. His father has an even lower opinion, "shoot on sight" says dad.

[DirtyDawg]

Why not just nuke the whole middle east give em a 1 day warning and hit the button problem solved :twisted::twisted::twisted:

thats my opinion

Man all that sand it would end up being one hell of a sheet of Glass.....:D:D:D
Well Now Saddams gone to join his sons, we can line up the Iraninan and north korean Despots otherwise all the senators Money shares in boeing,colt and westinghouse will drop if no more weapons are needed:mad:

[RobHay]

Well, I think the 150,000 Kurds that he killed and the 300,000 shi'ites that he killed might have something to say about that! Not to mention other Iraqis.

No matter who should've done or not have done whatever, an evil pathological killer is now no longer with us

Any views on any other polliticians/despots etc is a separate argument.

Want to bet? He is alive and well and living in the White House!

The Bush Administration has broken just about every rule in the book, when it come to wageing war,

[feral]

Want to bet? He is alive and well and living in the White House!

The Bush Administration has broken just about every rule in the book, when it come to wageing war,

Oh come on RobHay....

As long as you espouse 'Democracy, Freedom and Liberty' you can invade any country you want, kill as many people you want, destroy any infrastructure, impose foreigh policies and laws as long as you are big and might. As the President who ultimately issues and takes responsibility of orders given I see no difference in Saddam and George W. Bush. The US has sponsored terrorism worldwide for years to accomodate their own objectives.

But you will never see these guys up for war crimes......

[MickS]

Look at Iraq's recent history under Hussein and I don't think too many will shed a tear over his death.

The U.S.'s interest in the Persian Gulf is simple - oil/petroleum. Bush is doing, rightly or wrongly, what his predecessors have done previously. Defending those interests. Jimmy Carter said in 1980 - "Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force."

Iran vs Iraq, Afgahanistan vs USSR, Israel vs the Palestinians. Religion vs politics, religion as politics. Pick a side. I can't see the problems in the middle east ever being overcome. People will continue to die.

Just makes you thank your God, whoever he or she maybe, that we are living in the best country on the planet, with the freedoms and liberties we enjoy. But maybe that should be another thread.

Just my opinion.

[MickS]

IMHO he has been hung as he deserved. Good outcome. :)

Agreed....

[dobbo]

I think he got off lightly being hung, life in prisonment with one of RobHays sexual predators could have been a better punishment.

[Bigbjorn]

What can you do with a people who have allowed their adherence to a vicious, cruel and ruthless medieval fable to dominate their law, culture, behaviour, & day to day life, and is keeping them in subservience to their religious leaders, and their countries in the dark ages. Even Roman Catholics have mostly broken away from the religious control exercised over them up until quite recent times.

[Grizzly_Adams]

Look, it's just like dealing with teenagers.

You can't tell them anything, nor can you force them to do anything.

If they want to change, they will. Else we will just have to be patient. They are the only ones who can change and they will only change if they want to change.

Forcing our idealogies and dogma's onto them only strengthens their resolve to resist and do things their own way.

One must try to lead by example and hope.

[Jamo]

Want to bet? He is alive and well and living in the White House!

The Bush Administration has broken just about every rule in the book, when it come to wageing war,

Read the post again!

[feral]

The Iraq war unleashed ethnic and sectarian forces suppressed by Saddam, and the genies can't be put back in the bottle, writes Paul McGeough.


When it came, the news was quite stunning. Despite all the certainty that Saddam Hussein would swing from the hangman's noose, the first reports confirming that he was just another of the corpses that litter liberated Iraq was a powerful reminder that justice of some kind catches up with all.
But the former dictator's execution was more of a traditional revenge killing than what Western legal experts like to describe as justice being done, and also being seen to be done.
Such was the violent intimidation and political interference in Saddam's trial that no appeal court in the US, Britain or Australia would allow the verdict to stand.
However, in the hearts and minds of many Iraqis, the death of the former dictator satisfies the simple, if brutal, requirements of the system of tribal justice that prevails in much of the Arab world. Pity, though, that Saddam swung in what was to be George Bush's new democracy beachhead in the Middle East
Some will be tempted to use Saddam's death to debate the merits of capital punishment, but the only sensible prism through which to view this execution is its likely impact on the level of sectarian death and destruction.
Does it provide a circuit-breaker or, like so many post-2003 milestones that Washington insisted were "turning points", does it again reveal how Washington has lost any control over events in Iraq?
Sadly, it's the latter. What Washington did not appreciate when it insisted that Iraq had to become the main battlefield in the so-called war on terror was that Saddam was a product of Iraq, not the reverse.
Now, when it is too late, there is a sense in the commentary and analysis coming out of Washington that the Iraq-made-Saddam equation is better understood in some quarters. But now it is being used to whip the Iraqis as, increasingly, they are blamed for all that has gone wrong since the US-led invasion in March 2003.
It's as though it all being "their fault" somehow justifies rising demands in the US for Washington to quit Iraq and to leave the "ungrateful" Iraqis to "fix their own mess".
In the early years of Saddam's rule, Iraq was a model nation in the Middle East; secular, investing its billions of dollars from oil in services for the people while it enjoyed rising political and cultural influence in the region.
But Saddam's opportunist madness drove him to war with Iran and, later, the invasion of Kuwait at the same time as his brutal security apparatus steadily enmeshed Iraqi society in a straightjacket of fear and repression.
oday, few Iraqis are starry-eyed about the Saddam years, but they do long for one single element of the dictatorship - the rigid law and order that allowed many of them to get on with their lives as long as they kept their mouths shut. Since the US-led invasion, the ethnic and sectarian forces that Saddam had effectively suppressed have erupted with explosive force to confound Washington's attempt to impose a democracy that, it hoped, would be the first element in a reverse domino theory that would transform the Middle East and stabilise oil supplies to Western economies.
Key figures in Washington genuinely expected US troops numbers to be down to about 30,000 who would be on a "watching brief" within a few months of the invasion. There are still 140,000 in the country and the Bush team is seriously considering another 30,000 in what it describes as a "surge" to wrest control of Baghdad city, which then, so the argument goes, would allow significant US troop cuts before the 2008 US presidential election.
The fear among many Iraqis and others is that it is all too late. Spend time, as The Sun-Herald did earlier this month in the company of the leader of one of the Shiite death squads now pushing a bloodied sectarian broom through entire Baghdad neighbourhoods, and you understand that the explosive forces unleashed by the US-led invasion are beyond control.
Observe the ease with which they call on the US-provided and funded resources of the new Iraqi security forces and you understand that, instead of creating single national institutions, the US has merely established training academies at which Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds are provided with the skills needed to fight each other. The Iraqi political process is stalled, trust does not exist between any of the parties and, in the absence of law and order, Iraqis are again locking themselves in their homes or leaving for areas of greater safety among greater numbers of their co-religionists.
Thousands of Iraqis and Americans are dead; tens of thousands are injured and billions of dollars have been poured into an infrastructural black hole in a failed attempt to reconstruct Iraq.
Despite some contrite rhetoric, there is little evidence that Bush is ready for a major policy shift, or that the new Democratic majorities in Congress will be able to move him.
Bush and his allies, including Australia, have made an unbelievable mess of Iraq. It is impossible to see how the death in Baghdad of a man called Saddam Hussein can alter any of that.
Source: The Sun-Herald


This article sums it up.

Cheers.

[numpty]

The Iraq war unleashed ethnic and sectarian forces suppressed by Saddam, and the genies can't be put back in the bottle, writes Paul McGeough.
This article sums it up.

Cheers.

EXACTLY.:nazilock:

[Disco300Tdi]

He is dead.......

A video of his hanging.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch'search=&mode=related&v=sroZVwS_jxo
Explicit material...it might offend you

You need to log into "Youtube" to confirm you are over 18

[CraigE]

Good ridance, he was a murderer, even though US foreign policy put him into power. George Bush should be next. This moron does not even mind sending his troops and ours to their deaths for no real reason. Another Vietnam.
About time we learnt to live in peace and respect each other.
:mad:

[VladTepes]

I think we can expect a lot more terrorism now from Saddam's supporters - and a lot more violence in Iraq.


Unlikely. There can't be a higher level of terror than "complete".



I'm tempted to say we should get out of Iraq and let them kill each other.
Ron

Go on then Ron, you know you want to !






I don't agree we should nuke them.

It would make it harder to go in and get the oil with all that radioactivity hanging about !


Seriously though, I (as did at least one other on this site) used to live in the middle east. There are PLENTY of lovely people there, and I sometimes wonder how it go so F***d up.

They make good tea, too.

[Mud_Bogger6]

IMHO he has been hung as he deserved. Good outcome. :)

Woulda been better if he hadda got the chair,:D :angel:

[LandyAndy]

And only had the voltage set real low and SLOWLY wound up.
Andrew

[Mud_Bogger6]

Hell yeah

[Chenz]

Unlikely. There can't be a higher level of terror than "complete".



Go on then Ron, you know you want to !






I don't agree we should nuke them.

It would make it harder to go in and get the oil with all that radioactivity hanging about !


Seriously though, I (as did at least one other on this site) used to live in the middle east. There are PLENTY of lovely people there, and I sometimes wonder how it go so F***d up.

They make good tea, too.

I was in Iran in the early 80's when they were at war with Iraq and talked to many security force personell.

I asked what all the little red tents with photos of kids were on almost every corner of the streets in Tehran and Zehadan. They told me they were the matyrs that had been given up by their parents to help clear mine fileds by running over them armed with nothing but a small key to paradise around their neck.

I also had to watch a video at the border where I had to wait for three days while they decided if they would let me out of their lovely country that showed Iraqis interogating Iranians by tying them up and pouring boiling water over their heads.

I agree the general run of the mill bloke on the street was fair minded and wanted an end to this but how do you educate or stop these people from doing this to themselves, their kids, their communioty and their respective countries let alone what they do in Bali and New your and London.

Get out let them kill each other. They are really good at it.

[Reads90]

Seriously though, I (as did at least one other on this site) used to live in the middle east. There are PLENTY of lovely people there, and I sometimes wonder how it go so F***d up.

.

One Word

religion


the cause of all worlds problems

[Coastie]

Why did they use a scarf around his neck?

Was it to stop rope burn?

[VladTepes]

Why did they use a scarf around his neck?

Was it to stop rope burn?

Yes to stop the flesh being cut.

Can;t have a body looking too poor can we.

(never mind the blokes he tortured etc etc).

The world, eh. Gimme another one please.

[RiverView]

I find it funny how the average bloke on the street goes about his life with little if any involvement in matters of war.

Sure Saddam was responsable for Mass deaths, but so are many of the worlds leaders in one form or another, even in our own country.

Remember Tasmania 1804:


Massacres began 3 May 1804 at Risdon when the 102 Regiment of the British Army shot dead 50 Oyster Bay people, including women and children. The Tasmanians had approached without spears and with green boughs in their hands, as a sign of peace. The commanding officer said afterwards he didn't think the Aborigines would be any use to the British.
'The Black War' lasted seven years - 1824 to 1831. Atrocities were committed by both sides, but although black men were castrated and black women raped, there wasn't any record of rape committed by Aboriginals against any white woman.
Governor George Arthur mobilized all available settlers and convicts to form the infamous 'black line', with 2200 men moving across the island over a six-week period, to try in a pincer movement to herd the remaining Aboriginals to the south east. They captured an old man and a child.
By 1831, 175 Europeans had been killed, 200 wounded, 347 houses plundered or burnt. At least 700 Aboriginals were killed in the war. Meanwhile the European population grew from 5000 in 1820 to 24,000 in 1830.
Many (most?) of the Europeans believed Aboriginals were an inferior race; some that they were the missing link between monkeys and humans; some that they were 'savages' who ought to be exterminated...
In 1830, a builder and Methodist lay preacher, George Augustus Robinson went on a 'Friendly Mission' to negotiate a settlement. The Aboriginal remnant agreed to vacate Tasmania, and moved to Flinders Island (1833-1847). There Robinson tried to make the Aboriginals into Black Englishpeople, built East-London type terrace cottages for them, and taught them a catechism (with graphic questions and answers about heaven and hell). Eg. 'What will God do to the world by and by?' Burn it. What sort of place is heaven? A fine place. What sort of place is hell? A place of torment. But the exile was a disaster: over 200 Aboriginals died, and the 47 survivors were relocated back to Oyster Cove, on mainland Tasmania.

Makes you wonder just how little we have developed as a humans when we still feel the need to kill others regardless of what the reason.

Everyone blames religion as the problem. Maybe people need to face reality, if man was created in God's image then maybe we are the god's. After all we seems to be able to decide who and what lives and dies on our planet.

For those who believe in a eye for an eye. Stop and ask yourself when does that way of thinking stop. eg, You kill my brother so I kill yours, Then you kill ....... so on and so on, sounds a little too familiar to me, like perhaps the cause for the constant war. In short there is no answer.

Killing the guy was wrong, for 2 reasons. Does he fell remorse for what he did? NO, he feels nothing nor will he ever again. Will it truely make a difference if he lived or died? They hung the Nazis they rounded up responsable for mass murders too, hasn't stopped people being Nazi's.

Funny how with most mass murderers we try to study them for an insight into what makes them tick, to do that they need to be alive. To hide information that someone has that can harm those in power, thats easy "Dead people dont tell lies!!"

Just my 2 bobs worth

[VladTepes]

or even more to the point, dead people can't tell the truth either.


Especially handy when the truth is inconvenient.

Like where Saddam got the chem weps that he ended up using on the Kurds.

Weren't the US his big ally at the time?
Wasn't his next trial going to be regarding that massacre ?

Coincidence. Umm, I think not.

[FenianEel]

One Word

religion


the cause of all worlds problems

Oh man, where do I start.....Religion is the EXCUSE used by Imperialists, dominators, dictators and invaders to carry out their will and turn people against each other.
Love one another is the central theme of the Bible and Christianity, and of the Koran and Islam and most of the worlds religions. Fundamentalists, violent interpreters and dictators are the cause.....


Religion vs politics, religion as politics.
What he said!


He reckons sand n-----s should be declared outside the protection of law. His father has an even lower opinion, "shoot on sight" says dad.

Gee why do we have conflicts with opinions and 3rd hand hearsay like this???


Even Roman Catholics have mostly broken away from the religious control exercised over them up until quite recent times.

All hail the all seeing, all wise, all intelligent, open minded enlightened one - BH!! Please free all the Catholics from our naive, sheltered, uneducated brainwashed ways!!
Give me a :censored: break! Generalisations like that are like saying "all Brits are sh*t", even I can say that's not the truth and doesn't help.

Back to the thread itself,

Should've shot him in the field, no show trial.....cue music......


Hell all Saddam did was exactly what the CIA and MI6 put in power to do . Then he wouldn't tow their line ...go figure

TEAM AMERICA .....Fukc Yeah :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Jamo]

Well said FenianEel!!!

Religion (and only in it's fundamentalist form) is one of the many 'tools' used by psychopaths in their quest for whatever! It is not and has never been the base cause for conflict. Even the Crusades were about the money - trade routes and treasure!

Whilst I don't agree with capital punishment, this thread seems to be getting a bit perverse IMO. Basically some here are implying, whether they mean to or not, that nothing should be done about the Saddams of this world either because there are others who get away with it or it's happened before! Tell that to the dead!

[DiscoTDI]

Your all wrong, its down to women, they start wars:p :p :p :p . They make the blokes that control the buttons jealous so they blow the competition up. They make us believe we are in control but we arent:cool:

[ak]

The marjority of American's are good and decent people. My father who fought the Japs in the second world war use to say if it had not been for the yanks Australia would have been stuffed and told me never to forget that.

However Bush and Rumsfield what ever his name is will go down in history as being one of the biggest jokes of the century over the Iraq conflict. I bet if Bush had his time over he would never have invaded Iraq.

Hindsight what a great thing.

[dobbo]

I find it funny how the average bloke on the street goes about his life with little if any involvement in matters of war.

Sure Saddam was responsable for Mass deaths, but so are many of the worlds leaders in one form or another, even in our own country.

Remember Tasmania 1804:



Makes you wonder just how little we have developed as a humans when we still feel the need to kill others regardless of what the reason.

Everyone blames religion as the problem. Maybe people need to face reality, if man was created in God's image then maybe we are the god's. After all we seems to be able to decide who and what lives and dies on our planet.

For those who believe in a eye for an eye. Stop and ask yourself when does that way of thinking stop. eg, You kill my brother so I kill yours, Then you kill ....... so on and so on, sounds a little too familiar to me, like perhaps the cause for the constant war. In short there is no answer.

Killing the guy was wrong, for 2 reasons. Does he fell remorse for what he did? NO, he feels nothing nor will he ever again. Will it truely make a difference if he lived or died? They hung the Nazis they rounded up responsable for mass murders too, hasn't stopped people being Nazi's.

Funny how with most mass murderers we try to study them for an insight into what makes them tick, to do that they need to be alive. To hide information that someone has that can harm those in power, thats easy "Dead people dont tell lies!!"

Just my 2 bobs worth

I'm sure the relatives of his victims either by his hands or from his orders, feel slightly better that they got to see him hanged. I have personal views on the subject but will keep them to myself considering the last time I posted in response to you I seem to have offended.


It does remind me of the old proverb of Dobbo. "One person will be be overwhelmed by the beauty of a Rose, they are the optimist, another only sees it's thorns, they are a pessimist, the last person sees the pile of bullshyte the plant is grown from.

[100I]

[quote=FenianEel]Oh man, where do I start.....Religion is the EXCUSE used by Imperialists, dominators, dictators and invaders to carry out their will and turn people against each other. quote]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MickS
Religion vs politics, religion as politics.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
Even Roman Catholics have mostly broken away from the religious control exercised over them up until quite recent times.


If you think about it, I think Brian's comment actually goes hand in hand with both yours, and more specifically with MickS.
I don't think it's meant to be inflamatory.

[VladTepes]

No, THIS is inflammatory



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