First Service

[geckos]

HI everyone, i own a year old defender (13 339kms) td5 and took it to my local dealer for its first service today. I said thank you got the keys and drove it around the corner and pulled over.........

Clever me I marked all my filters (air, fuel, and oil) last weekend.....


Same filters left on!!!!! New oil and radiator fluid and grease in the drive shafts.... (alll the other places too).

So i went back in and asked them for a list of what they do on the first (20 000kms/12months) service.... The bloke handed me a piece of paper and showed me, and on this service filters don't get changed. The fluids do...

Am i getting ripped off or is this the way LR does it? I think it strange the filters don't get changed.

Anyone care to elaborate or comment?????

[dmdigital]

No the correct interval is 20,000km/12 months on the Td5 under normal conditions. The oil is supposedly 20,000km but most people change it at 10,000 it would seem.

[Rovernaut]

??? did you have a 10k service at the 13 kms on the clock, or did you have a 20k service with 13k on the clock?
If they don't change the filters till 20k then what was your service called? or do you go back in 7 k and get the 20 k service or do you wait till the next service interval after that and get the filters changed?

[geckos]

It was the 20k/12 months service i got at 13k on the car..... The next service (40k/24months) the paper says they will change the filters.....
It seems strange, wouldn't you change the filters the same time you change the oil????????
Cheers Geck

P.S. Is that alright or did i just make it more confusing?

[Scouse]

I'm not professing to be a TD5 expert but I know they have a centrifugal filter as well as a paper element.
I believe the action of the centrifugal filter is very efficient & makes the paper element last a lot longer.
This could be one reason why the marked filter wasn't changed.

[rangieman]

i think you find in your book it will state 20.000 ks or 12 months which ever comes first:D

[dmdigital]

It was the 20k/12 months service i got at 13k on the car..... The next service (40k/24months) the paper says they will change the filters.....
It seems strange, wouldn't you change the filters the same time you change the oil????????
Cheers Geck

P.S. Is that alright or did i just make it more confusing?

If that's the case they should have done an oil change and replaced centrifuge filter. The paper element (oil) 60,000km and the fuel, air are at 40,000/24mths.

Like has been said the centrifuge filter means the paper one doesn't need replacing as often. Fuel and air filter are really on an as needs basis depending on conditions as well.

[Ruslan]

I had first (or pre-first) service at 1,500 km on the clock. Oil and centrifuge filter replaced. Next 20,000km service: engine oil + centr. filter, gear/transfer oil, front and rear diffs oil, air filter, propshafts greased, and etc. according book. I said i'm back from Cape York trip and done 10,000km, so they decided to do all this staff. I paid $362.

Cheers,
Ruslan

[loanrangie]

I would have thought that no matter what the intervals are, a new vehicle coming in for its first service should have all filters replaced, as its wearing in there are usually more contaminants that will be collected by the filters.

[Blknight.aus]

the initial service changes all the filters

with an oil change (by the book) you change the centrifuge filter which is buried and not easily markable and then change the paper filter on the second one..

[geckos]

The centrifuge filter is the one near the exhaust pipe near the turbo right.. If so that wasn't changed Damn It!
My thoughts exactly about the first service.
IT was the first service at 12months (20ks), but only 13ks on the car!!!!
Thanks heaps gents

[dmdigital]

If its any consolation I get my Disco Td5 done at 12 months as I'm not doing a lot of hard work and I only do about 9,000km p.a. (It's almost to 4 years of age and almost to 34,000km on the clock.)

On an annual service I get the centrifuge filter changed, fuel filter changed and air filter if needed. In the 2nd year I got a new "paper" oil filter. I have the oil done every 12 months but monitor it through the year as the car is driven in very hot conditions. I also had the transmission fluid done at 3 years.

[George130]

Yep the intervals are
oil every 20,000km/12months
Centrifuge 20,000km/12months
Paper Filter 60,000km/?
I would be not happy with them over the Centrifuge not being done.
If you do it yourself the filters arn't that hard to do.

[dmdigital]

If you do it yourself the filters arn't that hard to do.

Except for the paper oil filter, I reckon its 60,000km between changes because it takes that long to work out how to get a grip on it.:mad:

[ak]

Graeme Coopers say for engine life change the filter and oil every 10,000k.

When I used to get my TD5 serviced with Landrover even the service manager said it would be better to change the filter and oil every 10,000k.

[numpty]

Yep the intervals are
oil every 20,000km/12months
Centrifuge 20,000km/12months
Paper Filter 60,000km/?
I would be not happy with them over the Centrifuge not being done.
If you do it yourself the filters arn't that hard to do.

When we bought our TD5 Defender last year (May), were informed by the Stealer that services in Aust. are done at 10000 Klm's. Ours was serviced by M.R. in Redcliffe at 10000 and oils and filters changed. I understand 20000 services are the norm in Europe as they are not subjected to the same stresses as here, (apart from the cold of course).

[MT]

Have always had the oil filter (Centrifugal) changed every 20K with oil, unless Hot / Towing, then ' as required'.

The stealer changed all filters at 12 months.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

At our first service (12 months... 16k) they changed the centrifuge..

[BigJon]

At a first service we would change the centrifugal filter along with the engine oil. Air filter would be checked and replaced if required. All driveline oils checked and replaced if required. We did a 110 yesterday, 10 000km service and it got the front and rear diff oils replaced as well as the engine oil and centrifuge.

We replace the spin on oil filter (fitted near the turbo in an akward spot) every 40 000km. Manual transmission oil every 20 000km. Transfer and diff oils every 40 000km. Fuel filter every 40 000km. Air filter as required. Engine oil and centrifuge every 10 000km. 20 000km service intervals are ridiculous, especially in this part of the world.

Hope this helps.

[justinc]

As Big Jon says, but we do both filters, every 10,000km.
I have seen cam wear in these engines from 20,000km interval servicing, even with Mobil 1 synthetic etc.( Dealer serviced from new.)
Filters are cheap enough to do all at the oil change interval.
The Pain is that Tdi's cost almost 50% less to service than the Td5, 1 filter and mineral oils...


JC

[Xtreme]

Interesting question about filter change intervals, and also interesting answers.
I have often wondered about the most suitable interval to replace filters and just how much efficiency they loose after say 10 or 20,000km's.

With this in mind, when I bought my Td5 back in 2003 and first service wasn't scheduled until 20,000km's, however I decided to change the engine oil and both filters at 10,000km's. Once completed, I opened the centrifuge filter for a closer inspection and found about 2mm of paste like deposit around the walls, with plenty of room to collect further deposits if required.

I now wonder if these efficient little filters could in fact be left longer without any loss of efficiency and resultant damage to engine.
I would be interested to hear if anyone else has opened their centrifuge filter and what condition it was in.

At present I am still servicing and replacing filters at 10,00km's but am wondering if I am wasting some of the hardearned on filters and should just be replacing the oil.

[George130]

The intervals will vary depending on your main use as other have said about my post.
My rig is doing mostly long highway runs thats and hour each way commute and 100kmh. This sort of travel would be mild work and minimum wear and tear as its warmed and cooled and not stop/start all the way for short runs. The harder you work the engine and the worse the environment it works in then increase the servicing.
It is Like the cars people buy of the little old lady who only drove to the shops and back. It blows up after a month because its all gummed up and has worn in so when the young guy gives it a bit the rings hit that lip and bang. The oil that comes out of mine after 20,000 is surprisingly clean for a diesel. I vary it the servicing down to 10,000 sometimes if its had a hard time.