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CowsGoMoo
3rd February 2007, 04:45 PM
Thought I'd share my GPS setup in my D2.

Here's the list of components-

Hardware-

Garmin GPSMAP 76S
MPC-425 fanless computer (12VDC, Celeron M 1.5GHz, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD)
CarNetix CNX-P1290 Dual Output 90 Watt 12V DC-DC Regulator
Xenarc 7" Touch Screen
External GPS Antenna
Software-

Windows XP
GarminCity Navigator
Garmin Metroguide
OziExplorer
RAVEThe 7" touch screen is mounted on top of the dash. I've found if you pull out the radio, bolts can be inserted up through the vent from below to allow bolting of the screen. The supplied screen mounting bracked is screwed to a piece of flat MDF which is then bolted using the "through vent" bolts and suitable flat washers. This means I don't have to drill any holes anywhere and the whole thing can be removed leaving no trace. The radio goes back in of course. When parked in the sun I always use a silver windscreen shade to prevent excessive heat build up in the LCD screen. It's been there for a few years now.

The screen has 1 VGA input (for computer video) and 2 composite video inputs that may at a later date be connected to a reversing camera or DVD etc. if I wish. It also has a USB cable which attaches to the computer to allow the touch screen to work. It is powered directly from the vehicles nominal 12VDC. Note that this scrren has proper VGA input. Many of the cheap screens don't have this and are really only good for watching TV, camera video or DVDs etc.

I'm in the process of building a fibreglass cover for the screen. Currently it has a cardboard mockup over the top. The finished product will have a USB outlet in it as well to allow contection of USB memory sticks, camera or whatever else.

The GPS is mounted on a RAM Mount holder next to the gear stick. This is part of a legacy install from before the computer and screen. I usually have a silver cover over the top. This keeps the hot sun off and minimises prying eyes a little. I leave it powered up all the time. I've had an older GPS damaged by the sun getting to the screen and causing a large black mark to slowly creep over one corner of the LCD screen. The GPS is connected to the computer by a serial interface.

I found GPS reception significantly improved by using an external antenna mounted at the rear of the vehicle on the spare wheel mount. The antenna cable is nice and thin and can be run around the door (hinge side) and behind the pockets in the cargo area of the Discovery then under the carpet and door sills. It pops out just at the rear of the drivers seat and then on to the GPS. The antenna was only available in white at the time. I spray painted it matt black.

The computer is a fanless model located under the passengers seat. A mounting plate was made with two strips of 90 deg angle aluminum bolted to it. This plate was bolted to existing floor studs under the seat. The aluminum forms two parallel rails for the computer to rest on. Each rail slots between the case heatsink ridges and holds everything tight. The power supply sits on top and the whole lot is held down with some elastic straps. Been perfect for 18 months it been there.

The computer runs Windows XP SP2 and has been very stable. The CPU is a low power Celeron M 1.5 GHz. 512MB RAM seems to be ample. 40GB HDD has been ample so far as well. There are no fans inside the computer which improves reliability. The CPU is pressed against the case which asts as a giant heatsink. Only moving part is the 2.5" laptop style HDD. I keep image backups of the HDD. I guess on a long trip I could carry a spare and restore the image.

The computer requires a regulated 12VDC to work. Vehicle power is not really suitable, so a DC-DC regulator is employed. It’s connected to an unused plug under the seat which has a constant 12V (nominal) from the battery on it. I guess it’s for electric seats or seat heater or some such thing. There’s a 40 Amp fuse supplying power and a thick (purple) wire so it can take a fair bit. More than my setup needs anyway.

The DC-DC regulator also acts as a startup/shutdown controller for the computer. I have a small switch currently in a jiffy box tucked up near the Hi/Lo range selector. It signals the DC-DC regulator whether you want to start or shut down the PC. It has some added smarts to time the shutdown and kill power if the PC has not shutdown in a reasonable timeframe. Also has low voltage detection.

Around town I run Garmin nRoute with City Navigator maps. This allows turn by turn navigation and works quite well. Has a few hiccups every now and again but it seems most software has its own quirks.

Out of town I can switch to Ozexplorer and whatever topo maps I’ve got for the area I’m in.

Most interaction with the system is by the touch screen and stylus. However I have a small PS/2 keyboard plugged in and sitting just behind the front seats. This allows entering street addresses etc in.

The screen brightness can be adjusted from the screen’s front panel. At night I turn the brightness/backlight right down so it’s not distracting. With it dimmed down it becomes a faint glow. If I’m using nRoute I don’t really look at the screen anyway as it gives spoken directions.

Here are some pics-

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/02/317.jpg
(above) Dashboard with screen running Garmin nRoute and GPSMap 76s




https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/09/840.jpg

(above) Windows XP with custom wallpaper. Amazing how many people think it's a factory install....



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/02/318.jpg


(above) Front view of MPC-425 computer. I didn't get the CD-ROM drive. All connections at rear.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/02/319.jpg
(above) 12V DC-DC regulator with cover off.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/02/320.jpg
(above) External antenna over spare wheel.

If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

dmdigital
3rd February 2007, 05:14 PM
Very nice!

But what's with the cardboard box shroud?

CowsGoMoo
3rd February 2007, 05:26 PM
Very nice!

But what's with the cardboard box shroud?

err, that's the mockup for the fibreglass cover. It's a work in progress....

I'd better get my act together and finish it now ;)

dmdigital
3rd February 2007, 05:32 PM
err, that's the mockup for the fibreglass cover. It's a work in progress....

I'd better get my act together and finish it now ;)

Thought it looked like a work in progress the rest looks really swish. I've thought of one of these PC's myself, but in the end I'm going with a tablet PC most likely - Photoshop, GPS, iTunes, Rovacomlite.

CowsGoMoo
3rd February 2007, 05:37 PM
Thought it looked like a work in progress the rest looks really swish. I've thought of one of these PC's myself, but in the end I'm going with a tablet PC most likely - Photoshop, GPS, iTunes, Rovacomlite.

I've actually got a mold almost finished. Just have to put some nice rounded corners on it.

landrovermick
3rd February 2007, 06:00 PM
I have an old P4 laptop that the screen doesnt work on - was thinking of doing that to it.

i would like tyo strip the guts out of the lappy and mount them in a box of sorts and make something similar i have seen it done on a boyracers website for i think it was carmp3.com or some such.

mick

101RRS
3rd February 2007, 07:38 PM
What a great thread - particularly as I am building up a system myself. Just about to get a touch screen but not sure what to get as I am concerned abouit "computer" resolution vs "TV" resolution.



Gazzz

CowsGoMoo
3rd February 2007, 08:05 PM
What a great thread - particularly as I am building up a system myself. Just about to get a touch screen but not sure what to get as I am concerned abouit "computer" resolution vs "TV" resolution.



Gazzz

I'm not sure you could get a "TV resolution" screen (composite) as a touch screen. I could be wrong. I've never tried looking.

My screen fully supports computer video (VGA). Be aware that LCD's have a native resolution that they will look best at. I'd have to check what I'm running. It's a wide screen aspect as well, not the common 1024x768 or 700x 600.

I found the best thing was run at the native resolution and change to large fonts to make it a little easier to read.

Mine is a rebadged Xenarc screen I bought from a company in WA (now also in NSW). If I had to get one again I'd measure up for the 8" one. I am happy with the 7" one however.

Initially I ran a laptop (with the dash mounted touch screen) for about 12 months before getting the PC.

Graeme
3rd February 2007, 09:27 PM
Did you not like using the on-screen keyboard of XP? I know its slower to use than a real KB, but 1 less piece of stuff about the place.
I use an 8 inch screen that's on a hinge. It sits lower - in front of my CD slot but can be laid back on top of the dash when req'd.
I like you wallpaper - might have to copy it.

p38arover
3rd February 2007, 09:41 PM
Hmm, very nice!

It's giving me ideas. I've an old 233MHz Pentium laptop that doesn't have a working screen (OK on external monitor).

How expensive are the 7" VGA touch screens?

Ron

HangOver
3rd February 2007, 10:29 PM
Hmm, very nice!

It's giving me ideas. I've an old 233MHz Pentium laptop that doesn't have a working screen (OK on external monitor).

How expensive are the 7" VGA touch screens?

Ron

Check out ebay for touch screens there are loads of them.

I'm seriously looking into building one of these things from scratch, PC as well.
I have the basics, donor PC, 12DC power supply, I'm planning to make a custom, (read:DDIY) case I just need to get my ???? into gear.
Once I have the basic PC running I'll get the GPS reciever & screen.
I want to try and get a mobo with an intergrated video card, it would make the PC case much smaller/flatter; "but beggars can't choosers" so I might just end up with a bit of a 'bump' in the top of the case.

CowsGoMoo
4th February 2007, 05:56 AM
Hmm, very nice!

It's giving me ideas. I've an old 233MHz Pentium laptop that doesn't have a working screen (OK on external monitor).

How expensive are the 7" VGA touch screens?

Ron

Hope you are sitting down. At the time they were around $700 for this model. They had cheaper ones without the composite video inputs or touch panel. I decided to purchase from an Australian distributor. Probably could have got it imported for less. Most likely cheaper now.

My research showed there were a number around at the time but the Xenarc/(rebadged Xenarc) may have had a little better reliability. While I'm sure there are many happy campers with other screens, there were also more people with problems. Have a read through the mp3car.com forums.

loanrangie
4th February 2007, 02:28 PM
I have heard that stuffed cd stacker cases work well for a car pc and they have a sort of suspension built in.

CraigE
4th February 2007, 03:01 PM
The 8" touch screens have come down a fair bit in price. A good one can be bought here in Australia for $450-500 or do as I did and get exactly the same unity form Hong Kong for about $200 including freight. Has all the plugs etc usb, vga, rca etc. I think I need a bigger inverter to run the lap top 150w does not seem to be enough.
Whats a better option inverter or a regulator??

weeds
4th February 2007, 09:50 PM
top job

Graeme
4th February 2007, 09:59 PM
The 8" touch screens have come down a fair bit in price. A good one can be bought here in Australia for $450-500 or do as I did and get exactly the same unity form Hong Kong for about $200 including freight. Has all the plugs etc usb, vga, rca etc. I think I need a bigger inverter to run the lap top 150w does not seem to be enough.
Whats a better option inverter or a regulator??

My laptop uses a 12v supply (normally from a 240v power pack) so I just run it off the vehicle's 12v.

tombraider
4th February 2007, 10:36 PM
The 8" touch screens have come down a fair bit in price. A good one can be bought here in Australia for $450-500 or do as I did and get exactly the same unity form Hong Kong for about $200 including freight. Has all the plugs etc usb, vga, rca etc. I think I need a bigger inverter to run the lap top 150w does not seem to be enough.
Whats a better option inverter or a regulator??

Regulator...

Avoid 240v systems in vehicle wherever possible.

(Pop!!! There goes the can of worms)

ladas
4th February 2007, 10:42 PM
Regulator...

Avoid 240v systems in vehicle wherever possible.

(Pop!!! There goes the can of worms)

Totally agree


- you should easily be able to convert any computer to operate on 12v

The internals run on 12v and 5v anyway, there is nothing in a pc/laptop than needs 240v

There are quite a few ciggy adaptors available to run laptops - and the more expensive seem to have the bits in to remove spikes and troughs

walker
5th February 2007, 03:55 PM
Hi, nice setup.

I have something similar with a Liliput sceen (7" in the Disco and 8" in the Rangie) which plug into the laptop which is powered by a DC-DC converter. The main problem is that it is not a good enviroment for the laptop.

How much was the computer you use?

CowsGoMoo
5th February 2007, 05:01 PM
My laptop uses a 12v supply (normally from a 240v power pack) so I just run it off the vehicle's 12v.

I'm not keen on running straight from the vehicle's 12V. It's not very stable for electronic devices.

First off it may drop a fair bit when cranking over the engine. Some systems will drop out due to low voltage. Maybe it will just freeze up every now and again. Then again you might not notice anything but be stressing internal componants which may fail down the track (no pun intended).

Once the engine's running you are going to be feeding in about 14V. Your equipment may cope but then again it may stress the innards and cause problems later.

You'll find many people coming up with solutions to the problem of "surviving the crank". Personally I solved all my problems with the DC-DC regulator. It also handles startup/shutdown and abnormal power conditions for me.

CowsGoMoo
5th February 2007, 05:07 PM
Hi, nice setup.

I have something similar with a Liliput sceen (7" in the Disco and 8" in the Rangie) which plug into the laptop which is powered by a DC-DC converter. The main problem is that it is not a good enviroment for the laptop.

How much was the computer you use?

Best you be sitting down for this one too. It was up around $1200 at the time. The Celeron M put the cost up I seem to remember. However it was a lower power option. The RAM had to be low profile to fit.

There seems to be more choice now so I'd imagine you'd get away paying much less.

The whole computer is about the size of en external CD burner and made of aluminium. The CPU contacts the inside of the case (thermal paste required). Runs silent and there are now fans to fail!

CowsGoMoo
5th February 2007, 05:10 PM
Regulator...

Avoid 240v systems in vehicle wherever possible.

(Pop!!! There goes the can of worms)


Hehehe. I did use an inverter for awhile while I investigated the DC-DC regulator. It was only a temporary thing.

The regulator will be more efficient and you won't have 240V floating about in the car. My inverter also had a fan that was noisy. Drove me nuts.

tombraider
5th February 2007, 06:05 PM
My inverter also had a fan that was noisy. Drove me nuts.

Hence why I dont use an inverter in the defender... Fans just too noisy :angel::wasntme:

walker
5th February 2007, 06:08 PM
LOL.

I would never hear an inverter fan in a Disco bever mind a Defender! :p

If your Disco is quiet enough to hear a fan....tell me what you have done cause I will do it too.

abaddonxi
5th February 2007, 10:35 PM
Totally agree


- you should easily be able to convert any computer to operate on 12v

The internals run on 12v and 5v anyway, there is nothing in a pc/laptop than needs 240v

There are quite a few ciggy adaptors available to run laptops - and the more expensive seem to have the bits in to remove spikes and troughs

More details please.

Ta

Simon

matbor
7th February 2007, 08:37 AM
lots of good ideas at www.mp3car.com (http://www.mp3car.com) and the smaller (cheaper) motherboards are here that everyone uses http://www.mini-itx.com/

stikman
7th February 2007, 09:26 AM
For the people with the DC-DC Regulators where did you get them from and how much?

walker
7th February 2007, 06:34 PM
Jaycar is probably the best place. I got mine on the net from somewhere in perth about 3 years ago. I think it was $30. It is a multi voltage unit.

harryw
5th September 2007, 05:06 PM
Did you ever get the screen?

I am getting interested in using a surplus laptop with a GPS mouse linked to a screen.

best regards

harry

dullbird
5th September 2007, 05:37 PM
yes thinking of having a go at making the one for the new defender

except i'm thinking of using the mini board that takes compact flash as you can get 8g ones now and if i remeber correctly it only needs 2g to run xp something like that

i dont know alot about comps so i'm sure someone will gallop straight in and correct me

the reason i was looking more into a solid state drive was for reliablity i wasn't sure that a hard drive could sustain a long battering on corragated roads with the vibration which is what we will be doing next year to kakadu and that is the whole reason i would like one to store all maps on and use gps

matbor
5th September 2007, 08:00 PM
yes thinking of having a go at making the one for the new defender

except i'm thinking of using the mini board that takes compact flash as you can get 8g ones now and if i remeber correctly it only needs 2g to run xp something like that

i dont know alot about comps so i'm sure someone will gallop straight in and correct me

the reason i was looking more into a solid state drive was for reliablity i wasn't sure that a hard drive could sustain a long battering on corragated roads with the vibration which is what we will be doing next year to kakadu and that is the whole reason i would like one to store all maps on and use gps

Good idea, I suggest putting the HDD in as well, might want to store video/pics or music on it :)