Classic Rangie on gas

[Ace]

Hi all, i am looking at a classic rangie on gas but was wanting to get some feedback on the gas system.

The car is in vic so i am trying to get someone to look at it for me. But i am wondering if anyone can tell me how they go on gas, is there a considerable saving over petrol that sort of thing. matt

[rangieman]

Hi all, i am looking at a classic rangie on gas but was wanting to get some feedback on the gas system.

The car is in vic so i am trying to get someone to look at it for me. But i am wondering if anyone can tell me how they go on gas, is there a considerable saving over petrol that sort of thing. matt
they are ok on gas but they suck the gas my efi use to do about 250 ks on 65 ltrs of gas

[Disco300Tdi]

Hi all, i am looking at a classic rangie on gas but was wanting to get some feedback on the gas system.

The car is in vic so i am trying to get someone to look at it for me. But i am wondering if anyone can tell me how they go on gas, is there a considerable saving over petrol that sort of thing. matt

Where abouts is it ?

[Ace]

Where abouts is it ?


cranbourne, Rangieman is going to look at it for me. Matt

[rangieman]

Where abouts is it ?
:cool: :p

[hiline]

:cool: :p


i wonder how he got your number :tease: :tease: :tease: :whistling:

[Ace]

I just rang him, he reckons did about 550km on $40 worth of gas, i havent worked out the mileage cause i dont know what gas is down there. He reckons without the trailer it would get about 400-450km on a tank of gas. The tank is the 70 or 60L one. Does this sound realistic?

[rangieman]

i wonder how he got your number :tease: :tease: :tease: :whistling:
yeah thanks for the warning mate:p

[Ace]

i wonder how he got your number :tease: :tease: :tease: :whistling:

Vee haf ways of makink you talk

[rangieman]

Vee haf ways of makink you talk
Yeah its called more VB please:p

[Disco300Tdi]

i wonder how he got your number :tease: :tease: :tease: :whistling:

Your the man Chris

[loanrangie]

I just rang him, he reckons did about 550km on $40 worth of gas, i havent worked out the mileage cause i dont know what gas is down there. He reckons without the trailer it would get about 400-450km on a tank of gas. The tank is the 70 or 60L one. Does this sound realistic?

Tell him he's dreaming ! On average a rangie on gas will do 5 klm's/ ltr so for 70 litres you will get approx 350 k's out of it, the best i ever got out of my 81'2dr 4spd rangie was 370 k's, around town approx. 250 - 300 k's . The 85' 3spd auto rangie i just sold was averaging about 280 k's per 70 ltrs to / from work and about 325 - 350 on a long highway run.

[dobbo]

The tank install looks a bit home made, but otherwise looks O.K for the price he wants, hey it does come with a doof doof amplifier, and a chrome gear knob. Don't like the colour though but hey I don't have to drive it.


As for the range on gas, thats crap, best I ever got in a lighter car with a bigger tank was 350km. Remember you can only fill gas to 80% of the holding capacity, is it on the old type gas system or the newer type?

[Ace]

Yeah its called more VB please:p

I think i can be persuaded to supply a carton of VB if the purchase goes ahead and we do the meet at the border deal.

Do those consumption figures above sound plausible to anyone, after what Rangieman said it sounds a bit to much. Thats around 16-18L/100km. What are people getting on petrol?

[Disco300Tdi]

I think i can be persuaded to supply a carton of VB if the purchase goes ahead and we do the meet at the border deal.

Do those consumption figures above sound plausible to anyone, after what Rangieman said it sounds a bit to much. Thats around 16-18L/100km. What are people getting on petrol?

He will tell you at the border.....;) ;)

[Ace]

Tell him he's dreaming ! On average a rangie on gas will do 5 klm's/ ltr so for 70 litres you will get approx 350 k's out of it, the best i ever got out of my 81'2dr 4spd rangie was 370 k's, around town approx. 250 - 300 k's . The 85' 3spd auto rangie i just sold was averaging about 280 k's per 70 ltrs to / from work and about 325 - 350 on a long highway run.

Thanks LR, i didnt realise it had gone to two pages i hadnt refreshed the page for a while. That sounds more realistic. But is that 70L the whole tank and not taking in the 20% for expansion or is that 70L of real gas to do those KM's?

[Ace]

The tank install looks a bit home made, but otherwise looks O.K for the price he wants, hey it does come with a doof doof amplifier, and a chrome gear knob. Don't like the colour though but hey I don't have to drive it.


As for the range on gas, thats crap, best I ever got in a lighter car with a bigger tank was 350km. Remember you can only fill gas to 80% of the holding capacity, is it on the old type gas system or the newer type?

I am after positive in put dobbo, and i am after comparisons with other rangies on gas not a totally different car, thats not really a useful comparison

How the hell can you tell if it is a DIY install?

[Ace]

I think i can be persuaded to supply a carton of VB if the purchase goes ahead and we do the meet at the border deal.

Do those consumption figures above sound plausible to anyone, after what Rangieman said it sounds a bit to much. Thats around 16-18L/100km. What are people getting on petrol?

He will tell you at the border.....;) ;)

Thanks Gav, constructive as always. :D

[Ace]

Are they 4 or 5 speed manuals of the 87 vintage?

[RR5L]

hey Ace,

Mine use to have 72 Litres of usable gas in the twin scuba tanks under the floor and depending on how I drove it I was getting around 4.5 - 5 Klm/ Litre.

[dobbo]

How many professionally installed tanks have you seen on stands in the back of a vehicle, and carpet pulled to the side?
It may have once been installed properly but from the smallish picture I have seen doesn't look right.

[Ace]

hey Ace,

Mine use to have 72 Litres of usable gas in the twin scuba tanks under the floor and depending on how I drove it I was getting around 4.5 - 5 Klm/ Litre.


Thanks mate, much appreciated. Going on these figures it wont be much dearer to run than the Laser, and similar to the disco, given petrol is about 2 and a half times the price of gas.

Gas here at the moment is about 55c/L, petrol is around $1.20.

So the Laser uses about 8L/100km multiply that by $1.20 thats $9.60, if the rangie uses 72L of gas to do 360km thats smack on 20L/100km, cost per 100km is 20x0.55=$11, i think a buck forty is a small price to pay to move up from a laser to a RR. What do you guys think? Matt

[Ace]

How many professionally installed tanks have you seen on stands in the back of a vehicle, and carpet pulled to the side?
It may have once been installed properly but from the smallish picture I have seen doesn't look right.


We will have to wait and see what Rangieman reckons when he has seen it, provided it runs well i dont think it matters.

[dobbo]

hey Ace,

Mine use to have 72 Litres of usable gas in the twin scuba tanks under the floor and depending on how I drove it I was getting around 4.5 - 5 Klm/ Litre.



which equates between 324 and 360km's range on gas but what do I know.;)

[Ace]

which equates between 324 and 360km's range on gas but what do I know.;)

You said a smaller lighter car with a bigger tank. So im not sure.

[rangieman]

matt 87 rangie will have lt77 gearbox 5 speed

and dobbo the gas conversion like that one is a legal setup as long as its vented out side the car and has lockoffs fitted :p
lets hope it has a compliance plate that will make life easier:D

[Ace]

matt 87 rangie will have lt77 gearbox 5 speed

and dobbo the gas conversion like that one is a legal setup as long as its vented out side the car and has lockoffs fitted :p
lets hope it has a compliance plate that will make life easier:D

Thanks mate, 5 speed was what i was hoping for, and yes a compliance plate will help as rego in NSW will be hard without it. matt

[Pedro_The_Swift]

i think a buck forty is a small price to pay to move up from a laser to a RR. What do you guys think? Matt

there are a lot of safety reasons to go with the RR---

so its not just money,,,;)

[rangieman]

there are a lot of safety reasons to go with the RR---

so its not just money,,,;)

oh yeah and that whopping 3.5 V8 as well:p

[Ace]

there are a lot of safety reasons to go with the RR---

so its not just money,,,;)

Thanks pedro, more ammo for the belt. :cool:

And yes the sound of a v8 is hard to beat.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

oh yeah and that whopping 3.5 V8 as well:p

no, I was talking about size of the vehicle--:mad:


Thanks pedro, more ammo for the belt. :cool:

And yes the sound of a v8 is hard to beat.


read above,,,


nearly anything must be safer that a laser

;)

[dobbo]

This is just my opinion and yes you did ask for it.

The only way a Range Rover on gas would be cheaper to run than a Laser would be if the gas the Rangie was running on was fresh air. You have to take into consideration, insurance, maintenance, lubricants for the gas system, cost of tyres, rego costs. etc....

It would be cheaper to put the Laser on gas.

[Ace]

no, I was talking about size of the vehicle--:mad:




read above,,,


nearly anything must be safer that a laser

;)

I reckon you would be right Pedro. Its been a good car but i wouldnt fair to well in an accident.

[wazonthehill]

Maybe I have missed the details on the vehicle but the questions I have
is it duel fuel or gas only
Is it tuned for gas or petrol
Is it carby or injected
Is it points, electronic ignition, or full ECU
What compression is the motor running
Manual or auto

The main reason for poor running on gas is either cheap poor systems, poor tunning or low compression motors (usually last 2)

If it is a high compression motor, tunned for gas, you should get 80% or better L/100kms of petrol, ie 10l/100kms petrol would take 12 l/100km on gas, or 20 goes to 24 etc

I have spoken to people that have put top quality "direct gas injection" in post 2000 P38as and are getting same kms on gas as petrol and have not noticed any performance decrease. The big negative is that it is a cost of towards $6,000 to do.

[Ace]

Maybe I have missed the details on the vehicle but the questions I have
is it duel fuel or gas only
Is it tuned for gas or petrol
Is it carby or injected
Is it points, electronic ignition, or full ECU
What compression is the motor running
Manual or auto

The main reason for poor running on gas is either cheap poor systems, poor tunning or low compression motors (usually last 2)

If it is a high compression motor, tunned for gas, you should get 80% or better L/100kms of petrol, ie 10l/100kms petrol would take 12 l/100km on gas, or 20 goes to 24 etc

I have spoken to people that have put top quality "direct gas injection" in post 2000 P38as and are getting same kms on gas as petrol and have not noticed any performance decrease. The big negative is that it is a cost of towards $6,000 to do.

Hi, the car is a manual, is running dual fuel and is EFI, not sure on ignition method, did 87 rangies have an ECU? or were they electronic igntion, i cant see them being points.

as for how it is tuned i dont know. Speaking to the guy led me to believe it rarely gets run on petrol so i would assume tuned for gas provided it has been tuned at all. I will be getting it tuned if i get it, replace plugs, leads, service everything etc. I will get the timing checked and make sure all is good.

[dobbo]

Hi, the car is a manual, is running dual fuel and is EFI, not sure on ignition method, did 87 rangies have an ECU? or were they electronic igntion, i cant see them being points.

as for how it is tuned i dont know. Speaking to the guy led me to believe it rarely gets run on petrol so i would assume tuned for gas provided it has been tuned at all. I will be getting it tuned if i get it, replace plugs, leads, service everything etc. I will get the timing checked and make sure all is good.



It's EFI (electronic fuel injection) it has an ECU otherwise it would be carby or a mechanical fuel injection.
Unless it's a direct injection method similar to what Wal described, where as the gas system is independant to the petrol system (injection wise) running seperate injectors and ECU mapping for gas and petrol.

Tuning duel fuel cars is a black art in itself. one fuel needs the gas to be retarded the other advanced. Usually duel fuel cars are running on a happy medium as to maintain trouble free switching of fuels, thus effecting the fuel economy on both the petrol and gas.


The way I see it, a good system will cost a high price and take years to repay itself, a cheap system is just a false economy.

[Ace]

Well going by the figures he gave me for km/tank (given they are even remotely close to being true) it sounds as though it has been tuned for gas. But given you only give it a run on fuel every now and then it doesnt really if the tuning favours gas.

[dobbo]

Well going by the figures he gave me for km/tank (given they are even remotely close to being true) it sounds as though it has been tuned for gas. But given you only give it a run on fuel every now and then it doesnt really if the tuning favours gas.



It does matter because if it's tuned to run solely on gas, it will run too rich for the petrol and will not start, period.

I'm not trying to be mean, I have been there and gone through this before. Except I had one advantage, carbie cars are a lot easier and cheaper to tune at home, you loose a lot of acceleration on gas, in theory it should be great offroad due to the fuel equalisation.

[Ace]

It does matter because if it's tuned to run solely on gas, it will run too rich for the petrol and will not start, period.

I'm not trying to be mean, I have been there and gone through this before. Except I had one advantage, carbie cars are a lot easier and cheaper to tune at home, you loose a lot of acceleration on gas, in theory it should be great offroad due to the fuel equalisation.

well it starts and runs so thats something

[dobbo]

Red

[Ace]

Red

red what? what sort of post is that?

[Ace]

It does matter because if it's tuned to run solely on gas, it will run too rich for the petrol and will not start, period.

Ok, firstly i didnt say it doesnt matter if it is tuned to run soley on gas, i said it doesnt matter to much if it is tuned to favour gas.

Secondly it cant be tuned to run solely on gas if it is dual fuel as that would defeat the purpose of dual fuel wouldnt it?

If you are going to comment fine, but at least read what i have said prior before you do.

[dobbo]

Just seeing if you type blue to contradict me. My advice considering you'll be replacing your daily driver with it,
if you have money in your pocket to burn spend it on getting the laser fixed up, you'll be better off financially than buying a V8 gas or no gas.

[crossy]

I've got no advice other than if the rangie has been running on gas for most of its life - there's a good chance that the mtr is in very good condition. Gassed donks last longer. Buy the rangie for the fun not economics. Economics is boring.

[Ace]

Just seeing if you type blue to contradict me. My advice considering you'll be replacing your daily driver with it,
if you have money in your pocket to burn spend it on getting the laser fixed up, you'll be better off financially than buying a V8 gas or no gas.

Who has contradicted you? Ahh stuff it i couldnt be bothered.

Im not stupid dobbo, i know buying a V8 RR is less cost effective than a Laser, thats not the point of buying it. We want something bigger which will be as cheap to run as possible, we have looked at others and another 4wd would be nice, i cant afford a diesel disco and rangies are cheap, if its on gas all the better.

[Ace]

I've got no advice other than if the rangie has been running on gas for most of its life - there's a good chance that the mtr is in very good condition. Gassed donks last longer. Buy the rangie for the fun not economics. Economics is boring.


There we go some positive advice, i understand that a RR is less economical than a Laser, and i understand it will be more expensive to run, but i amjust comparing fuel costs for curiosities sake, fuel isnt cheap at the moment so it needs to be considered no matter what you buy and we all have limits, if what has been posted here this RR should be well within my limits.

[Disco300Tdi]

Who has contradicted you? Ahh stuff it i couldnt be bothered.

Im not stupid dobbo, i know buying a V8 RR is less cost effective than a Laser, thats not the point of buying it. We want something bigger which will be as cheap to run as possible, we have looked at others and another 4wd would be nice, i cant afford a diesel disco and rangies are cheap, if its on gas all the better.

Better buy a Suzuki or Daihatsu...A 87RR will not be cheap to run

[dobbo]

If it's so cheap to run, and such a good car
Why is he selling it?


This car in question was built when petrol was less than 50c a litre, gas was around 17c.


It used to be economical to run.

[hiline]

yeah thanks for the warning mate:p

sorry mate but the cricket is on :D ;)

[Ace]

Better buy a Suzuki or Daihatsu...A 87RR will not be cheap to run

Let me rephrase that- we want another land rover that will be as cheap to run as possible :D


I just freakin want it dobbo, leave it at that.

[dobbo]

Let me rephrase that- we want another land rover that will be as cheap to run as possible :D


I just freakin want it dobbo, leave it at that.



Then do up your series or buy another series. Whatever you buy make it a diesel, V8 and cheap to run as possible don't mix.

[Ace]

Then do up your series or buy another series. Whatever you buy make it a diesel, V8 and cheap to run as possible don't mix.


The series needs a helluva lot more spent on it than what i have at the moment.

As for diesels if you are trying to sell me your diesel series, nice try.

[Utemad]

I would have to say that to replace your daily commuter with a V8 Range Rover would be a little silly. Especially when this seems to be a budget conscious decision.

In our household I have a 1994 manual V8 Discovery and my wife has a 2004 automatic 4 cylinder Corolla. My Disco runs on petrol only as does my wife's Corolla. Even if my Disco was on gas, not in my wildest dreams could I convince myself that it is cheaper to run than the Corolla.

You need to take into consideration everything that goes with it. Plus the fact I would never buy my wife an old Land Rover. That is why she has an ever reliable, well serviced Toyota.

Also think of the cost of the mods that you will no doubt want to do when you get it.

I don't mean to be a party pooper but I think you have already made your decision regardless of what the mighty AULRO machine spits out.

I don't know who currently drives what but if your wife has the Laser and you take the Disco to work will she be happy with the older RR or will she commandeer your newer Disco?

I'm lucky in that work pays for my Disco fuel bills so even with the expense of running about in the Disco we take it everywhere and my wife uses the Corolla when it is just her.

[dobbo]

The series needs a helluva lot more spent on it than what i have at the moment.

As for diesels if you are trying to sell me your diesel series, nice try.



No, it wasn't intended to sound like that, I just stated a series petrol or diesel would be the cheapest economical landy to buy and run

[Ace]

No, it wasn't intended to sound like that, I just stated a series petrol or diesel would be the cheapest economical landy to buy and run

Not really, they can be thirsty aswell, i dont know exact figures but i can see a series petrol costing less (petrol cost only) to run than a V8 rangie on gas. But i could be wrong it happened once before

[scrambler]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion when it was getting so interesting.

Ace, my gas-powered County (carbs, hi-comp stroked motor) is a complete pig on petrol unless it's been run recently on petrol. It seems to need fuel in the floats for 24 hours before it will work. I don't know if this also applies to EFI versions, which comments on this and other forums (fora?) suggest are trickier than carbs to start on gas.

Gas economy is better than what some recent posts have suggested - fuel costs for me are about what they were with my Subaru Forester. You know what the repair/service bills are likely to look like.

I can't see the photos mentioned in early posts, but if the gas installation looks anything but professional I'd be giving it a miss personally. You wouldn't want to have to remove it to get registration.

[Ace]

I would have to say that to replace your daily commuter with a V8 Range Rover would be a little silly. Especially when this seems to be a budget conscious decision.

In our household I have a 1994 manual V8 Discovery and my wife has a 2004 automatic 4 cylinder Corolla. My Disco runs on petrol only as does my wife's Corolla. Even if my Disco was on gas, not in my wildest dreams could I convince myself that it is cheaper to run than the Corolla.

You need to take into consideration everything that goes with it. Plus the fact I would never buy my wife an old Land Rover. That is why she has an ever reliable, well serviced Toyota.

Also think of the cost of the mods that you will no doubt want to do when you get it.

I don't mean to be a party pooper but I think you have already made your decision regardless of what the mighty AULRO machine spits out.

I don't know who currently drives what but if your wife has the Laser and you take the Disco to work will she be happy with the older RR or will she commandeer your newer Disco?

I'm lucky in that work pays for my Disco fuel bills so even with the expense of running about in the Disco we take it everywhere and my wife uses the Corolla when it is just her.

Hi utemade, i havent made up my mind yet, i need to know what needs doing, if anything to get it past rego.

I drive the laser so this vehicle will be for me and its mainly to drive the 10-15km each day to and from work so it wont be doing a huge amount of Km's. As for mods we wont be doing any, i will be using the disco off road, if the rangie does any work off road it would only be fire trail type stuff to take the dogs out for a walk or something.

Stacey would use the disco during the week, the short trips in the disco were coking the engine up, since we bought another car and i have been running that to work the disco runs alot better only doing the longer runs.

In the end you are right, we have in a away made up our mind, i was just interested as to what sort of mileage i would expect from one on gas as this would have affected my decision. I am relatively happy with the figures quoted, and whilst it wont be cheaper to run than the laser is wont break the bank. If it does we can always sell it, with 12 months rego we might even make money on it. :D

[Ace]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion when it was getting so interesting.

Ace, my gas-powered County (carbs, hi-comp stroked motor) is a complete pig on petrol unless it's been run recently on petrol. It seems to need fuel in the floats for 24 hours before it will work. I don't know if this also applies to EFI versions, which comments on this and other forums (fora?) suggest are trickier than carbs to start on gas.

Gas economy is better than what some recent posts have suggested - fuel costs for me are about what they were with my Subaru Forester. You know what the repair/service bills are likely to look like.

I can't see the photos mentioned in early posts, but if the gas installation looks anything but professional I'd be giving it a miss personally. You wouldn't want to have to remove it to get registration.


Yeah, it all depends on the gas conversion. Rangieman is checking it out tomorrow for me, he is familiar with gas set ups so if he reckons its suss i will give it a miss, if not i'll give it ago. Time will tell, watch this space. Matt

[Ace]

I don't know if this also applies to EFI versions, which comments on this and other forums (fora?) suggest are trickier than carbs to start on gas.

I thought that the norm was to start on petrol and flick to gas when running anyway, is this the case?

[p38arover]

The 85' 3spd auto rangie i just sold was averaging about 280 k's per 70 ltrs to / from work and about 325 - 350 on a long highway run.

I get 230-250km on 54 litres in the P38A - around Penrith. I get 300 on the highway.

Ron

[Ace]

I get 230-250km on 54 litres in the P38A - around Penrith. I get 300 on the highway.

Ron

thanks ron. Have you gotten all your other probs sorted?

[Utemad]

Well if it is doing only short trips then the fuel bill won't be so bad. So since you have said that then why the need for gas? You would have a wider choice of vehicles if you didn't go for gas. As for not doing any mods to it. Tell us that again in 12 months ;)

I can also see the need for wanting a RR if you are the Laser driver. One of the main reasons we take the Disco everywhere is I just don't like being in my wife's Corolla. Especially since if I am with her she wants me to drive it. I mean it is a fantastic little car and I encouraged the purchase but it wasn't bought for me.

If I was serious about economy I would have bought a diesel myself. I have done 18000kms in the last 5 months in my V8 while the Corolla has just clocked that in 28 months :cool:

[p38arover]

Not yet, Matt.

That 54 litres is actual fuel - not the tank size. The biggest hassle with my LPG install is the small size of the doughnut tank. Working at Katoomba I have to fuel up every 2.5 days.

Ron

[Utemad]

Where is the link to the sale ad if there is one? We want to see pics :)

[scrambler]

I thought that the norm was to start on petrol and flick to gas when running anyway, is this the case?
That it is, that it is. But in mine, that means priming 4-5 sec then put fuel switch to "off" (neither gas nor petrol flowing), start and immediately switch on gas. If the petrol runs for, say, 8 seconds the carbs flood the engine, and I crank for a minute to clear the excess fuel, end up spitting carbon black everywhere. If the carbs are wet with petrol overnight then they work better, can actually start on petrol, otherwise I start as above, THEN change to petrol.

Another thing to factor into the dual-fuel discussion is that you will probably need premium petrol. Mine certainly does. If the engine's high enough compression for good running on gas you need the knock resistance (unless there's a knock sensor but I don;t think that was fitted to the 3.5 - someone here will correct me I'm sure).

[Ace]

That it is, that it is. But in mine, that means priming 4-5 sec then put fuel switch to "off" (neither gas nor petrol flowing), start and immediately switch on gas. If the petrol runs for, say, 8 seconds the carbs flood the engine, and I crank for a minute to clear the excess fuel, end up spitting carbon black everywhere. If the carbs are wet with petrol overnight then they work better, can actually start on petrol, otherwise I start as above, THEN change to petrol.

Another thing to factor into the dual-fuel discussion is that you will probably need premium petrol. Mine certainly does. If the engine's high enough compression for good running on gas you need the knock resistance (unless there's a knock sensor but I don;t think that was fitted to the 3.5 - someone here will correct me I'm sure).

Thanks, i run premium unleaded in anything that isnt diesel out of habit anyway, so when the car is run on petrol it will be premium.

Here is a link to the add on ebay- remember i found it first so mits off.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/range-rover_W0QQitemZ290081902406QQihZ019QQcategoryZ1355 13QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Ace]

That it is, that it is. But in mine, that means priming 4-5 sec then put fuel switch to "off" (neither gas nor petrol flowing), start and immediately switch on gas. If the petrol runs for, say, 8 seconds the carbs flood the engine, and I crank for a minute to clear the excess fuel, end up spitting carbon black everywhere. If the carbs are wet with petrol overnight then they work better, can actually start on petrol, otherwise I start as above, THEN change to petrol.

Another thing to factor into the dual-fuel discussion is that you will probably need premium petrol. Mine certainly does. If the engine's high enough compression for good running on gas you need the knock resistance (unless there's a knock sensor but I don;t think that was fitted to the 3.5 - someone here will correct me I'm sure).

No worries thanks, i would run it on premium anyway.

Here is a link but remember i found it first so mits off

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/range-rover_W0QQitemZ290081902406QQihZ019QQcategoryZ1355 13QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[100I]

Ace, on average mine returns around 4.5-5K/L on gas & 5.5-6K/L on petrol, but it gets subjected to a great variety of cycles as it is not a DD.
The timing is at 14deg, it may take more but I haven't experimented any further, I'm happy with it. On gas it goes just as well as it used to on petrol with factory advance, and now on 98 petrol it stonks, but would not be happy on 91 (haven't tried, 91 is for lawnmowers).
No large 4wd will be economical compared to a small 4cyl, but in the long run the component life/robustness of the larger vehicle would blur the line.
Ok a 15yr old Rangie is half worn out but I assume your laser is too (I don't know how old it is). IMO even the diesel argument is flawed when you factor the initial purchase cost, servicing costs, their reputed longevity versus the V8's reputed longevity on gas. It takes a lot of km to get a return on your outlay for a diesel versus the petrol alternative which will often be in better condition and lower km. A diesel gives greater range that's all. The V8 is quiet, smooth, flexible and if you really need some sting just flick it onto petrol.

[Ace]

Ace, on average mine returns around 4.5-5K/L on gas & 5.5-6K/L on petrol, but it gets subjected to a great variety of cycles as it is not a DD.
The timing is at 14deg, it may take more but I haven't experimented any further, I'm happy with it. On gas it goes just as well as it used to on petrol with factory advance, and now on 98 petrol it stonks, but would not be happy on 91 (haven't tried, 91 is for lawnmowers).
No large 4wd will be economical compared to a small 4cyl, but in the long run the component life/robustness of the larger vehicle would blur the line.
Ok a 15yr old Rangie is half worn out but I assume your laser is too (I don't know how old it is). IMO even the diesel argument is flawed when you factor the initial purchase cost, servicing costs, their reputed longevity versus the V8's reputed longevity on gas. It takes a lot of km to get a return on your outlay for a diesel versus the petrol alternative which will often be in better condition and lower km. A diesel gives greater range that's all. The V8 is quiet, smooth, flexible and if you really need some sting just flick it onto petrol.

These are factors i have considered, the Laser is an 88, its a great run around but i think the longer runs arent doing it any favours. We use it a bit for the longer runs to bathurst (50-60km away) and it struggles on the hills. Eventually it will go, and i am more comfortable working on a Land Rover than i am a laser however simply, and you can still get any part you want for a rangie. Matt

[p38arover]

I can also see the need for wanting a RR if you are the Laser driver. One of the main reasons we take the Disco everywhere is I just don't like being in my wife's Corolla. Especially since if I am with her she wants me to drive it. I mean it is a fantastic little car and I encouraged the purchase but it wasn't bought for me.

Zackly! My wife has a reasonably new Forester. It's a nice enough car but I much prefer the Rangie to drive. If we go anywhere with me as the driver, we take the P38A.

The Forester was her choice and I encouraged that but that doesn't mean i like driving it.

Ron

[Utemad]

Here is a link but remember i found it first so mits off

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/range-rover_W0QQitemZ290081902406QQihZ019QQcategoryZ1355 13QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That looks like a pretty good price. So long as it isn't requiring heaps of work then go for it. Then when you decide it is more fun than your D1 offroad because you don't mind the damage then do up the RR and flog it to an early grave :)

[Ace]

That looks like a pretty good price. So long as it isn't requiring heaps of work then go for it. Then when you decide it is more fun than your D1 offroad because you don't mind the damage then do up the RR and flog it to an early grave :)

Thats what i thought, looks pretty straight, interior isnt RR 3 quality but is pretty good for its age. If Rangieman reckons its a goer than i will buy it. If the gas system needs some work and the repairs cost less than $2000 i am told i can claim the rebate for that anyway, so it wont be all bad.

I'm off to bed, i will post tomorrow with a verdict. Matt

[Utemad]

What's the deal with the LPG tank being on a stand? I thought the floor was flat so if it isn't to clear a wheel arch or something then it seems a little weird.

[Bradtot]

Hey ACE I have a 89 (343000kms) flapper injected auto rangie same as what you are looking at but yours a manual and from 78 ltres useable gas If I drive nice I get 400 plus ks out of it Once on a club trip at 80/90kms per hr I got 430 ks out of the gas.
Yes your oil stays cleaner longer.
My prev rangie 82 carbie (holly) I got 400000kms plus out of the motor

Being injected changover from petrol to gas is instantanious and vise versa.
I have 80ltrs petrol sill tanks and there aint much difference in power on the 3.5 v8 between gas an petrol.
My 82 was converted in 1993.
My gas tanks are underneath
It costs me on average 40 ish dollars to fill
BEST THING I HAVE EVER DONE
My 89 has all the tanks from my 82 but new convertor and wiring.
I dont worry about how much it costs to run as I know its cheap.

My son has a 89 5 speed manual with the gas tank inside and a 4.2 stroked motor (12,000) on the clock he gets 350kms max out of 68ltrs if he drives nice (not often), same gas convertor as mine on average 320kms per day going the same way and same speeds
Cheers
Brad:)

[Bradtot]

Just had a look at the pics on ebay.
Where that gas tank is located is in my opinion the second best place for it.
First place is under the floor.
You can still fold down the rear seat and sleep in the back if u want, or fold down the seat for any other purpose. The tank is up and out of the way.
this is where the tank is on my sons Rangie.
ACE check the rest of it out and if ok I would be getting it.
Brad:eek:

[Disco300Tdi]

Just had a look at the pics on ebay.
Where that gas tank is located is in my opinion the second best place for it.
First place is under the floor.
You can still fold down the rear seat and sleep in the back if u want, or fold down the seat for any other purpose. The tank is up and out of the way.
this is where the tank is on my sons Rangie.
ACE check the rest of it out and if ok I would be getting it.
Brad:eek:

Unfortunately Ace lives in Lithgow NSW, the car is in Melbourne

[Ace]

Just had a look at the pics on ebay.
Where that gas tank is located is in my opinion the second best place for it.
First place is under the floor.
You can still fold down the rear seat and sleep in the back if u want, or fold down the seat for any other purpose. The tank is up and out of the way.
this is where the tank is on my sons Rangie.
ACE check the rest of it out and if ok I would be getting it.
Brad:eek:


Thanks for the input mate, i am convinced it will be the way to go if Rangieman checks it out and gives it the ok, will know tonight.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

looks nice Ace,,

whats the go with the rims?
were they still put on efi models?

[Ace]

looks nice Ace,,

whats the go with the rims?
were they still put on efi models?

No idea mate, maybe the rangie experts can answer that one.

I reckon it looks pretty good to, thats what drew my attention to it. Lets hope it is as good as it looks and we end up getting it.

[hiline]

looks nice Ace,,

whats the go with the rims?
were they still put on efi models?


i think they changed over to the alloy's in 88 Hiline's

[p38arover]

What's the deal with the LPG tank being on a stand? I thought the floor was flat so if it isn't to clear a wheel arch or something then it seems a little weird.

NO, it is to clear the wheel arch, otherwise you can only get a small tank in there. This is my old HiLine's 70 litre (56 usable) tank:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/08/560.jpg

Ron

[Ace]

NO, it is to clear the wheel arch, otherwise you can only get a small tank in there. This is my old HiLine's 70 litre (56 usable) tank:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2008/08/560.jpg

Ron

So how big would the tank be then if it needs to be above the wheel arch? 100L?

[p38arover]

So how big would the tank be then if it needs to be above the wheel arch? 100L?

It could be a 90 litre tank giving about 70 litres usable.

Ron

[Ace]

It could be a 90 litre tank giving about 70 litres usable.

Ron

He said 70L, so that must be useable that he meant. Thanks ron.

[BigJon]

I have an 88 Hiline and it is vastly superior to drive (for me) than a Discovery I Tdi. Much more comfortable seats, I can see out the windscreen without bending down, the V8 note is impossible to beat and they still have that extra touch of class that a Disco doesn't give.

Provided you are prepared to accept the much higher ongoing maintenance that a Rangie will ask for compared to a Laser, then you will love it.

My other half has a 2001 Laser and for her it is an excellent car. She has taken it to Adelaide and Darwin from here and we both went to Glendambo in it. Cheap to run, ecxellent A/C, comfortable seats, but I still prefer to drive my Rangie!

[Ace]

I have an 88 Hiline and it is vastly superior to drive (for me) than a Discovery I Tdi. Much more comfortable seats, I can see out the windscreen without bending down, the V8 note is impossible to beat and they still have that extra touch of class that a Disco doesn't give.

Provided you are prepared to accept the much higher ongoing maintenance that a Rangie will ask for compared to a Laser, then you will love it.

My other half has a 2001 Laser and for her it is an excellent car. She has taken it to Adelaide and Darwin from here and we both went to Glendambo in it. Cheap to run, ecxellent A/C, comfortable seats, but I still prefer to drive my Rangie!

Thats the way i see it, and the maintenance costs will be offset by the fact that for all bar working on the gas system and anything that needs specialist tools i will do all the work myself. The Disco hasnt really cost me that much in the 2 and a bit years i have owned it because i have sought out non-land rover fixes to make problems go away and done everything from wheel bearing to steering box overhauls to Transfer case seal kits myself, this has made the running costs cheaper, as opposed to someone who uses a mechanic all the time.

Ron- what sort of km's did you get out of a tank in you old one?

[Disco300Tdi]

I know someone in Melbourne who is looking at it also.....:wasntme:

[Utemad]

Another one

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1986-range-rover-duel-fuel-auto-low-reserve_W0QQitemZ320081482777QQihZ011QQcategoryZ10 2341QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Disco300Tdi]

MMMMmmmmmmm,,,,,, not bad

[Ace]

that one isnt bad either, is an option if this other one isnt any good.

Gav- thats something i didnt really need to know. So i will pretend you didnt write it. :cool:

[Ace]

Well, the verdict is in and POS is the result. Rear tailgate is rotted, top half. No front propsaft (crap knows why), steering box is buggered, drivers side front floor is rusted out, interior is much worse than it looks in the photos, roof lining is sagging badly, and it doesnt run on petrol, nor does it run on gas, so he was FOS when he said it ran really well.

A big thanks to rangieman for looking at it for me, i owe you a beer or two when we finally meet. Matt

[rangieman]

Well, the verdict is in and POS is the result. Rear tailgate is rotted, top half. No front propsaft (crap knows why), steering box is buggered, drivers side front floor is rusted out, interior is much worse than it looks in the photos, roof lining is sagging badly, and it doesnt run on petrol, nor does it run on gas, so he was FOS when he said it ran really well.

A big thanks to rangieman for looking at it for me, i owe you a beer or two when we finally meet. Matt
No probs matt:angel:

oh it did run on gas when you stuck a wire on the battery , and no compliance plate for the gas setup

[Utemad]

Best keep looking then :(

[Ace]

Best keep looking then :(


Yeah, we are going to go to orange on wednesday and look at a couple of falcons, it sounds as thought any rangie we buy will need work doing to it in our price range so we are going to hold off for a while until we have the extra cash to buy a better one with a decent gas system, shame cause the photos make it look better than it is. Matt

[UncleHo]

G'day Ace :)

Now you can sus out the other one in Wendourie ;)
or keep looking for one in NSW, as they will turn up from time to time, as far as the bagging about getting a rangie goes, don't worry I know that you are looking at it in a Road Safety point of view;) as I am well aware of the varying road conditions in the local area, my first introduction to snow was when I was carting Explosives to Carcour dam in the late 60's early 70's and driving a J1 Bedford with a Magazine full of Nobel's AN-60 and Kiri Dynamite on fresh snow is INTERESTING to say the least:eek:

cheers

[scrambler]

Won't the handbrake let you get a bike? For 15km commute, and I gather you're not in a high-traffic area, the purchase and running costs would be a LOT less, safety is but still not really risky stuff, and you can have fun, which is more than can be said for a cheap Falcon.

[dobbo]

Won't the handbrake let you get a bike? For 15km commute, and I gather you're not in a high-traffic area, the purchase and running costs would be a LOT less, safety is but still not really risky stuff, and you can have fun, which is more than can be said for a cheap Falcon.


I agree, 15km's isn't very far on a treadley. Might be a bit nippie in winter though

[p38arover]

any rangie we buy will need work doing to it in our price range so we are going to hold off for a while until we have the extra cash to buy a better one with a decent gas system,

Ace, I know of a nice 4.6 HSE P38A on gas and it's not far from you.

Ron

[dobbo]

Ace, I know of a nice 4.6 HSE P38A on gas and it's not far from you.

Ron

I'll swap you for a SIII

[Ace]

Ace, I know of a nice 4.6 HSE P38A on gas and it's not far from you.

Ron

I would if i could afford the repairs when things go wrong, but at the moment i can buy one but couldnt afford to repair a p38a.

A bike is out of the question, to lazy to ride my pushie and i dont want to get a motorbike licence and ride them on the road, i have enough trouble with incompetence around me in the disco where i am protected, i dont want to remove the forcefield. As said above i would be frozen by the time if got there in winter

[Ace]

G'day Ace :)

Now you can sus out the other one in Wendourie ;)
or keep looking for one in NSW, as they will turn up from time to time, as far as the bagging about getting a rangie goes, don't worry I know that you are looking at it in a Road Safety point of view;) as I am well aware of the varying road conditions in the local area, my first introduction to snow was when I was carting Explosives to Carcour dam in the late 60's early 70's and driving a J1 Bedford with a Magazine full of Nobel's AN-60 and Kiri Dynamite on fresh snow is INTERESTING to say the least:eek:

cheers

Not fazed about the bagging, couldnt care less. I am going to hold off for a while and get a falcon or something cheap until we have the cash, i wouldnt mind a post 2000 p38a later on, but im not sure. Matt

[UncleHo]

G'day Ace :)

A P38a :eek: :eek: :eek: I would have thought that Ron;s heartache would have given you an insight into that model's problems,that's why they now Off Road them in UK and Bobtail them as well :cool:

Uncle Ho

[Ace]

G'day Ace :)

A P38a :eek: :eek: :eek: I would have thought that Ron;s heartache would have given you an insight into that model's problems,that's why they now Off Road them in UK and Bobtail them as well :cool:

Uncle Ho

Who knows by then there might be a heap of good used D3's :D