Diff lockers and cost comparison

[Larns]

There have been a few threads lately about diff lockers and types out there and how good they are. As there seemes to be more people than just me out there that are interseted in this, how about an active dicussion.
Lets start with

A. What type You have?

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)

C. Inital impression?

D. Test of time results?

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?

Try and keep it short and sweet, and lets see what the real answers are over the test of time.
I think it'll be quite interesting what people have to say on an overall adverage.

Cheres guys

Larns

[dmdigital]

A. What type You have? ARB Air lockers on my D1

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)? Got it done so don't know

C. Inital impression? Very good

D. Test of time results? Very good, compressor needed regular cleaning and needed to take care of water in air receiver during wet season.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? Nil

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? Do you mean before or after I broke an axle :(

If I put lockers in my D2 or Defender I'll definitely upgrade the axles. as well.

[mns488]

good idea.

I'll be watching this thread.

Another question: have you fitted 1 or 2?

[DRanged]

A lot of your answers will depend on what you are doing with the vehicle, ie off road touring, hard off road, competitions. Also what size tyres etc you intend to run. Dont want to confuss you, but it makes a big differance to the end price & choice of product.

Justin

[weeds]

A. What type You have? ARB Front and Rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) N/A previous owner had ARB install the centres and he plumbed the rest as he wanted to use a different compressor along with an accumulator

C. Inital impression? Great, in my rangie i had to use speed and wheel spin to get up a hill, smae hill with lockers i just idle up, much easier on the passengers and drive train

D. Test of time results? one air leak in the air line, didn't have spare joiners, locker still worked however the compressor ran constantly, now i carry some air line, joiners, olives etc

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? a new front right cv (there is a good chance it was 220K old), upgraded the rear axles dur to the drive flanges being flogged, they were not twisted or brocken

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? :D previous owner picked up the bill

[cmurray]

A. What type You have?
McNamara Rear with 30 spline axles (Over kill for a 90!)

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)
Fitted by McNamara

C. Inital impression?
Good, it worked.

D. Test of time results?
No problems in the six years it has been fitted.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?
I put in a Big Red compressor and a reservoir tank before it was fitted.

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?
$2500 but all the bearing in the rear diff needed replacing and the stub axles needed to be sleeved.

As soon as I have finished strengthening my spare front diff housing, I will be fitting another Mcnamara to the front diff, just not sure what to do about axles and CVs.

[Defender200Tdi]

A. What type You have? Maxidrive front and rear with Maxidrive axles and drive members.

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) Some messing about required with cutting holes in the axle tubes and welding on the mounting blocks, but Maxidrive's instructions are very comprehensive so it isn't beyond the average bloke.

C. Inital impression? Excellent. Does what it says on the box.

D. Test of time results? I don't expect there to ever be an issue with the lockers or axles.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? No extra compressor or anything required, but upgraded AEU2522 CVs (about $300), since trashed and replaced with Ashcroft CVs (about $1000).

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? Lockers and axles about $4000 for front & rear.

[djam1]

A. What type You have? Detroit Locker

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) Easy

C. Inital impression? Couple of scary clunks performance was fantastic

D. Test of time results? Found using heavier oil got rid of clunks overall impressive and would do it again

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? none yet I get nervous about the standard axles gave it a hard time and they didn't twist so I replaced them with brand new genuine ones that I got cheap time will tell I guess.

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? $903 from memory

[isuzurover]

A. What type You have?
Maxi-Drive Salisbury Locker

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)
Very easy - 1/2 day - required tools - spanners, tyre levers, drill, die grinder, MIG.

C. Inital impression?
Fantastic - worth every cent - wish I had done it years earlier

D. Test of time results?
Installed about 6-7 years ago. Has always worked flawlessly.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?
Bought some MD drive flanges at the same time (but just because they are better than stock - not essential)

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?
$1200 for the locker kit.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Hmmm.. I just ordered Maxi's :)

[waynep]

A. What type You have? Rear Maxi
B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) N/A
C. Inital impression? good
D. Test of time results? seems to be reliable
E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? none - HD axles come with the kit - no compressor needed
F. how much did it cost? enough to get me in trouble with SWMBO :o ;) ( but...but we neeeeed it darling ....safety reasons blah blah )

[DiscoDan]

A. What type You have? ARB Airlockers front and rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) Followed the instructions and had nil problems. Fitted rear first.

C. Inital impression? Now throw a hill at me, bugger need front locker

D. Test of time results? Rear in car now for 5 years, front 4 years. Having both lockers has been easier on the car as less momentium is required. I also haven't had to be recovered since fitting both (more luck than management) as I have been able to back out if I have to and pick a different line.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? I broke a CV before lockers and short axle wheelstanding the car (lockers off). Nil other damage but only running 245/75 16 MTR's. The only thing I have noticed is the rear locker does spit diff oil out sometimes. Enough to give the smell of the oil, however not enough to empty the diff or in fact change the level. I could take it back however not effecting the performance.

I hope this helps, as for cost any ARB shop will tell you as I am sure they have gone up.

[discowhite]

A. What type You have?Detroit locker and Detroit True Track

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)2hours for the rear, including setup of crown wheel, new bearings etc. 4hours for the front including setup of crown wheel bearings etc.

C. Inital impression?Flamin brilliant

D. Test of time results?it wont ever break

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?None

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?$1100 front, $965 rear.

G..standard running gear, 285 75 R16 tyres.

H. Tracks medium to Hard.

cheers phil

[worraps]

A. What type You have?
arb air locker rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)
arb install

C. Inital impression?
awsome well worth the money imho

D. Test of time results?
almost 12 months and it hasen't skipped a beat

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?
only extra was compressor sorta needed it lol only other extra will be a front locker hopefully this year

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?
bill from arb was $2450 included locker and fitting air compressor and fitting (with tyre inflation kit) rear wheel bearings and machining of crown and pinion also i beleive



hope this helps you out

[Larns]

Not bad responses. Sounds like people are pretty happy with their lockers no matter what type they have.
Realisticly how how often have people really need the front diff locked?

[rangieman]

i have a rear arb with maxidrive axles i use mine all the time off road if the conditions look difficult:angel:

i engage just incase and mainly cause i have a mate following that drives a GQ and my car never ceases to amaze him:D

i dont have a front locker and dont plan to get one unless my mate in the GQ gets one and then ill have to get one to show him up even more:D

[incisor]

no doubt about you chris :P

i am really interested in this subject as i would love to get at least a rear locker fitted to the 110 when it gets here...

i know MR do the maxidrive kit for $2.5k

what do British Off Road fit?

anyone know who fits detroits in brissy?

[George130]

A. What type You have?
Maxidrive air locker rear + Maxidrive splines front

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)
Previous owner had it done

C. Inital impression?
awsome well worth the money

D. Test of time results?
I have had the vehicle 2 years and only problem was I broke a vacume line in the engine bay.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?
$4 for a pack of T peice joiners to replace the one I broke.

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?
I have been given figures of $4500 and $6000 for the rear diff. It is a salsbury but I don't know the rear costs. I have also been told that no local diff place will touch it when they see it.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

A. What type You have?Maxidrive air locker rear + Maxidrive splines front

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)Previous owner had it done
C. Inital impression?awsome well worth the money

D. Test of time results? I have had the vehicle 2 years and only problem was I broke a vacume line in the engine bay.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?$4 for a pack of T peice joiners to replace the one I broke.

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? I have been given figures of $4500 and $6000 for the rear diff. It is a salsbury but I don't know the rear costs. I have also been told that no local diff place will touch it when they see it.
That's wrong I believe. You should get change out of 6k fitted for both front and rear maxis :) I priced ARB lockers and they were about 3.6 with compressor.

[George130]

That's wrong I believe. You should get change out of 6k fitted for both front and rear maxis :) I priced ARB lockers and they were about 3.6 with compressor.

All I know on the work done is that the receipts I did get total $4,500. It was others that knew the rig who gave me the $6,000 figure. Personaly I find $6,000 hard to beleive. I had enough trouble accepting the $4,500.
Just glad I didn't pay for it:D

I wuold agree with you $6,000 should easily do front and rear.

[dungarover]

Okay, my turn now :twisted:

A. What type You have? Maxi Drives front and rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)? Rear was off one of my previous Rangies I bought, but had it re-fittred to the 87 diff housing by Ricks 4WD. Front was also fitted by Rick

C. Inital impression? Fan-bloody-tastic. I can now give the Rangie a flogging and not worry about breaking **** and haven't done so yet :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

D. Test of time results?

Rear - I have had on 4 Rangies and it originally got hold of it in '98 off my second Rangie (84 pov pack with Chrysler 727 auto).

Front - Fitted in Jan '05 which replaced the ARB air locker (10 spline) as I had planned on going 'up' in the tyre department eventually and did so recently and wanted no axle breakage

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?

Rear - Had to buy a new harness as the old one had gone brittle and was fitted too close to the exhaust by the previous owner :eek: (on the 84 Rangie). The rear actuator played up but was easily rectified by adjusting the grub screw on the selector to prevent it from jamming when it would disengage.

Front - Nil, been trouble free to date

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?

Rear - 'Pawned' off the 84 Rangie, fitted to the 93 Rangie, then on a 83 Rangie and now on the 87 Rangie so really bar the cost of the harness ($60 in 2000) plus the mounting block for the actuator ($40) it's been a cheap

Front - Total inc. fitting was $2350. I also had to buy a new mounting block for the fitment onto the 87 axle housing for $60 so all up it's been $2410. I also used the funds I got for the Air locker I sold ($700) to releive the cost a bit.

They're not cheap, but well worth the money and after you see what work goes into the manufacturing of them you know where your hard-earned is going. I prefer vaccum opperation since it's not reliant on an air compressor. Regardless youcna lock and unlock your maxi-drive even by hand if the actuator plays up.

Maxi's IMO are the only choice for old Rangies and early Discos. Later Discos with 24 spline axles as std an ARB air locker will suffice and you can upgrade to maxi-drive axles later on when you either need to or can afford to.

Trav

[PeterM]

I've put a deposit down on a maxi for the rear. $1630 for the kit, which compared favourably with an ARB with maxi axles.

Fitting shouldn't be a hassle and I'm guessing an ear to ear grin once it's done.

[Defender200Tdi]

If you're going to fit the Maxidrives yourself, this might be of some use:

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=3843


Paul:)

[Redback]

I have a Maxidrive & axles in the rear.

Price for the kit from Maxidrive $2,500 fitted $3,700 at B Davis, could of had it supplied and fitted at Roverland for $2750 but the drive down and back + accomadation would have made it more.

This was the cheapest i could find in Sydney.

How does it work, well it's good if i remember to use it.

George130, is your Maxi differant, the reason i ask is i thought they were vacuum operated not air, mine works off the aircon pump.

Baz.

[dobbo]

George130, is your Maxi differant, the reason i ask is i thought they were vacuum operated not air, mine works off the aircon pump.

Baz.



Baz your right all maxi's are run from a vacuum operation

[waynep]

I have a Maxidrive & axles in the rear.

Price for the kit from Maxidrive $2,500 fitted $3,700 at B Davis, could of had it supplied and fitted at Roverland for $2750 but the drive down and back + accomadation would have made it more.

This was the cheapest i could find in Sydney.

How does it work, well it's good if i remember to use it.

George130, is your Maxi differant, the reason i ask is i thought they were vacuum operated not air, mine works off the aircon pump.

Baz.

That sounds a little pricey my rear MaxiDrive was $2500 fitted. 2 yrs ago ( Range Rove in Melb ) - Ritters quoted me the same.

[p38arover]

I had a MaxiDrive on my '86 RR - I picked up the complete rear end - disc to disc for $800 exchange (I had to give him my old rear axle). I was very happy. :)

I never used it and it was sold on with the car. :(

Ron

[isuzurover]

George130, is your Maxi differant, the reason i ask is i thought they were vacuum operated not air, mine works off the aircon pump.


Maxi-Drive are designed to be vacuum operated, but can be air operated just by switching the pipes around.

I have no vacuum system on my IIA, so mine is operated by an on-board (air con) compressor. The supply for the locker is regulated to 15psi, as Mal said that is the equivalent vacuum pressure, and any higher than 20psi would bend the actuator fork.

[Tank]

Not bad responses. Sounds like people are pretty happy with their lockers no matter what type they have.
Realisticly how how often have people really need the front diff locked?
I have ARB's front and rear with 4.11 gearing with Maxi-Drive axles and Flanges also 110 defender H/D CVs, haven't had anything break, 33" Muddies fitted. I only use the front locker (with the rear of course) on really steep loose rocky tracks just as insurance against sudden slip of the open diff causing extra stress on one axle, with the locks in I haven't found a track that I cant get my 93 Disco through, the seal in the air locker mechanism in the rear diff is allowing diff oil to be sucked up to the compressor, but it is only a matter of a few hours work to fix, would not own a 4WD without them, if there are any sharp turns to be made when going up a track it's a good idea to not lock or disengage the front locker, unless you want to drive straight ahead, very hard to steer, Regards Frank.

[Redback]

That sounds a little pricey my rear MaxiDrive was $2500 fitted. 2 yrs ago ( Range Rove in Melb ) - Ritters quoted me the same.

Roverlands $2750 was the cheapest quote i got for the DII, which didn't include the new rear shaft and spacer to suit.

The Maxidrive and axles from Mal at Maxidrive was $2500 without fitting if i bought them myself.

Baz.

[p38arover]

HAve you seen this advert in the markets? http://www.aulro.com/apc/showproduct.php?product=597&cat=29

Front and back Maxidrive lockers disc to disc $3400.

Ron

[waynep]

Roverlands $2750 was the cheapest quote i got for the DII, which didn't include the new rear shaft and spacer to suit.

The Maxidrive and axles from Mal at Maxidrive was $2500 without fitting if i bought them myself.

Baz.

Hmmmm .... may be dearer for D2 than D1... I dunno ... i'd better go and dig out the invoice to make sure my memory is right.

Well just checked ..... $1831.50 for the Maxi Drive locker/axle kit .... fitting $656 ...sundries $12.50 ... total $2500
But that was August 2005 .. sounds like Mal's upped his price since.

[Redback]

Hmmmm .... may be dearer for D2 than D1... I dunno ... i'd better go and dig out the invoice to make sure my memory is right.

Well just checked ..... $1831.50 for the Maxi Drive locker/axle kit .... fitting $656 ...sundries $12.50 ... total $2500
But that was August 2005 .. sounds like Mal's upped his price since.

I would say the price hike was around that time, cause that's when i got mine, i think you may have been lucky and Range Rov had old stock from Maxidrive.

Baz.

[George130]

I have a Maxidrive & axles in the rear.

Price for the kit from Maxidrive $2,500 fitted $3,700 at B Davis, could of had it supplied and fitted at Roverland for $2750 but the drive down and back + accomadation would have made it more.

This was the cheapest i could find in Sydney.

How does it work, well it's good if i remember to use it.

George130, is your Maxi differant, the reason i ask is i thought they were vacuum operated not air, mine works off the aircon pump.

Baz.
No mine is vacuum operated. I snapped the the T piece in the brake line where they took the feed to the locker.

[mcrover]

Maxi-Drive are designed to be vacuum operated, but can be air operated just by switching the pipes around.

I have no vacuum system on my IIA, so mine is operated by an on-board (air con) compressor. The supply for the locker is regulated to 15psi, as Mal said that is the equivalent vacuum pressure, and any higher than 20psi would bend the actuator fork.

All internal combustion engines have a vacuum system just diesels produce too much for things like boosters so they run a vac pump normally on the alternator on most cars but on the side of the motor on Tdi's.

Air con compressors unless significantly modified are not a reliable compressor as they rely on oil passing through with the gas to lubricate them.

I don't see any reason that running comp air for the maxi's instead of vacuum would be a problem, not a bad idea actually.

[mcrover]

Has any one tried Lokka or Lock right or the like, I think they are a bit like a detroit but a little less aggressive and expensive.

Also does anyone know if they make them for a disco 1?

[Defender200Tdi]

All internal combustion engines have a vacuum system just diesels produce too much for things like boosters so they run a vac pump normally on the alternator on most cars but on the side of the motor on Tdi's.

Air con compressors unless significantly modified are not a reliable compressor as they rely on oil passing through with the gas to lubricate them.

I don't see any reason that running comp air for the maxi's instead of vacuum would be a problem, not a bad idea actually.

Most diesel engines produce far too little vacuum to be effective for brake boosters etc, that's why they have vacuum pumps. Tdis especially spend much of their time on boost, producing positive manifold pressure, not vacuum.

Air con compressors do make excellent on board air systems, the mods are straightforward and pretty well documented, finding the spare room in the engine bay is likely to be the biggest challenge.

As has been mentioned before, Maxidrives can be operated on low air pressure rather than vacuum, but on anything like the 80 odd psi that ARBs use will result in an expensive bill from Maxidrive

Paul:)

[rovercare]

Most diesel engines produce far too little vacuum to be effective for brake boosters etc, that's why they have vacuum pumps. Tdis especially spend much of their time on boost, producing positive manifold pressure, not vacuum.

Air con compressors do make excellent on board air systems, the mods are straightforward and pretty well documented, finding the spare room in the engine bay is likely to be the biggest challenge.

As has been mentioned before, Maxidrives can be operated on low air pressure rather than vacuum, but on anything like the 80 odd psi that ARBs use will result in an expensive bill from Maxidrive

Paul:)

I was about to write the same thing:eek:

[BigJon]

All internal combustion engines have a vacuum system just diesels produce too much for things like boosters so they run a vac pump normally on the alternator on most cars but on the side of the motor on Tdi's.



Most diesels produce very little manifold vacuum as the don't have a throttle butterfly. The throttle butterfly is what causes the pressure drop - pistons going down with inlet valve open sucks, butterfly prevents air from entering, therefore lower pressure (vacuum) is the result. No butterfly, no airflow impediment, no vacuum.:p

[isuzurover]

All internal combustion engines have a vacuum system just diesels produce too much for things like boosters so they run a vac pump normally on the alternator on most cars but on the side of the motor on Tdi's.

Air con compressors unless significantly modified are not a reliable compressor as they rely on oil passing through with the gas to lubricate them.

I don't see any reason that running comp air for the maxi's instead of vacuum would be a problem, not a bad idea actually.

Exactly what BigJohn said - NO vacuum on a diesel unless you have a throttle butterfly, but as diesels are designed to have unrestricted airflow a butterfly really strangles the engine. My (late model SIII) diesel actually had a butterfly fitted (to work a brake booster) but I removed it to improve performance (and the linkages are a PITA).

Air con compressors ARE very reliable as air compressors. The york style have their own sump, so the oil stays in fine. All you need to do for the barrel (sanden) style is to plumb a capillary line from the an oil separator bowl to the air intake to feed the oil around in a continuous loop. That said the "endless" air conversions simply fit a grease nipple to the oil filler, and I know someone who ran a sanden completely without lubrication and it lasted a few years of frequent use.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Most diesels produce very little manifold vacuum as the don't have a throttle butterfly. The throttle butterfly is what causes the pressure drop - pistons going down with inlet valve open sucks, butterfly prevents air from entering, therefore lower pressure (vacuum) is the result. No butterfly, no airflow impediment, no vacuum.:p
THAT SUCKS :o

On second thought no it doesn't :p :D :D

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Well I got another quote on Maxi's and they have indeed gotten more expensive. Apparently they have made changes to how the front works and it is heaps more pricy now. I think it's going to come down to a rear maxi or F&R arb's for me :o I'll know early next week.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

The update from Today is that Maxi's F&R are now 6.7k :eek: :eek:

So, we're looking into ARB's now. Maybe even putting maxi axles with ARB lockers. Has anyone done this? It should be possible, right?

[incisor]

BUGGER..... how much is the rear ?

[weeds]

The update from Today is that Maxi's F&R are now 6.7k :eek: :eek:

So, we're looking into ARB's now. Maybe even putting maxi axles with ARB lockers. Has anyone done this? It should be possible, right?

i have arb front and rear with maxi axles in the rear, get the lockers fitted fitted first and put the axles in after you get a few more miles under the orginal axles

[Captain_Rightfoot]

BUGGER..... how much is the rear ?
2.9k. The front is the big bill. It's 3.9 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

ARB quoted 3.6 with compressor for front and rear. I'd like MR to do it though so we'll see what they come up with.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

i have arb front and rear with maxi axles in the rear, get the lockers fitted fitted first and put the axles in after you get a few more miles under the orginal axles
I'll think about that :)

[isuzurover]

The update from Today is that Maxi's F&R are now 6.7k :eek: :eek:

So, we're looking into ARB's now. Maybe even putting maxi axles with ARB lockers. Has anyone done this? It should be possible, right?

I assume these prices include fitting???

A rear (sals) MD locker was 1.5k (supply) last I checked.

A front MD locker is so expensive because it includes upgraded CVs. But you can source these yourself and save money.

Remember that with the MD lockers you get upgraded axles and CVs. So $800ish for the rear axles and $700ish for the front, plus another $1000ish for the two CVs.

So $3600+2500 = 6100 - that is comparing apples to apples. And you may be able to get cheaper fitting on the MD locker.

[DeeJay]

A. What type You have? ARB Front and Rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) N/A previous owner had ARB install the centres and he plumbed the rest as he wanted to use a different compressor along with an accumulator

C. Inital impression? Great, in my rangie i had to use speed and wheel spin to get up a hill, smae hill with lockers i just idle up, much easier on the passengers and drive train

D. Test of time results? one air leak in the air line, didn't have spare joiners, locker still worked however the compressor ran constantly, now i carry some air line, joiners, olives etc

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? a new front right cv (there is a good chance it was 220K old), upgraded the rear axles dur to the drive flanges being flogged, they were not twisted or brocken

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? :D previous owner picked up the bill

Geez, same for me except I paid for it and use the ARB standard compressor. Did the airline and same CV too..
4-5 years old now:D

[waynep]

TJM have an "air" locker too now - for those getting ARB quotes it might be worth looking at ( not sure if the have them to fit LR though )

[BigJon]

TJM have an "air" locker too now - for those getting ARB quotes it might be worth looking at ( not sure if the have them to fit LR though )

Nissota only, I believe.

[isuzurover]

Nissota only, I believe.

The "TJM Prolocker" may only be available for Nissan or Toyota, but the identical Jacmac locker is available for Land Rovers direct from Jacmac.

Jacmac make the locker for TJM.

[incisor]

http://www.arb.com.au/New_Product_Advices/air_locker_2-for-1.pdf

i cant read it on this machine, but the filename looks good :P

[Captain_Rightfoot]

http://www.arb.com.au/New_Product_Advices/air_locker_2-for-1.pdf

i cant read it on this machine, but the filename looks good :P
It's not quite that good, but if you buy one locker you get a little compressor for free. If you buy 2 you get a big compressor, tyre inflation kit, and tyre repair kit.

How much is one of those compressors worth?

[Diff]

$179 and $399 . Small pump won't do tyres and I think only one locker

[rovercare]

$179 and $399 . Small pump won't do tyres and I think only one locker

Both lockers, No tyres

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I got another quote today, and it looks like the ARB price with this discount is 3300 for both all fitted. :)

[incisor]

thats better!

how much for the maxi axle kit for the rear?

[PeterM]

thats better!

how much for the maxi axle kit for the rear?

I've got one coming on a good deal at $1630 + fitting.

[p38arover]

Less than an hour to go for this: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/range-rover-diffs-rear-with-ARB-air-locker-and-more_W0QQitemZ190086103703QQihZ009QQcategoryZ10234 1QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

range rover diffs complete 1 front,1 rear, the rear diff is fitted with arb air locker macnamara fine spline axles both are in excellent working order. rear a-frame nukle mounting point has been modified for lifted vehicle but will not worry standard height vehicle. replacement costs for air locker is $1,040. to fit it to loose center $231. axles $880 for pair total replacement costs of $2,151. the steel rockcrawling rims will also be for sale after diffs have sold. you are getting 2 diffs for less than the replacement costs of the rear !!!! ITEMS ARE FOR SALE ELSE WHERE SO I DO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REMOVE FROM AUCTION AT ANY TIME. I forgot to place my ph number so her it is 0415252391

[Outlaw]

to push this great thread to the front page again...

Anyone else running truetracs or detroits? Looking at the prices quoted previously on here; how come detroits are dearer than the truetrac (lsd)... been quoted today 1100 for a truetrac straight supply from OL.

[Jezzaol]

A. What type You have? Full Detroit rear & Detroit trutrack Front 96 D1

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) Fairly Straight forward, remove diff Centre, Assemble with new detroit Hemisphere, Set back-lash and tolerence (may need help from experienced person) Refit Re-fill with standard oil and never touch again except for standard diff maintance !

C. Inital impression? Very impressed with both : full detroit rear, no noise, can not tell its there at all when on the black stuff. Front Trutrack : Amazed at how good this is : Worm Drive LSD Style locker, Downfall : Only about 80% Lock : Advantage : Drivability On and Off road, feels beter on the blackstuff than before it went in, Off Road I have full steering and feel ALL THE TIME ! and not fighting the wheel when climbing like with full lockers in the front, and find with a slight amount of brakeing when traction is lost it engage's and works extremely well........... Other advantage : Much nicer on your drive train, having some give your axel's and CV's will last MUCH MUCH longer ................. for an everyday user coupled with a good set of tyres this locker would be a great system for both front and rear diffs !D.

Test of time results? No external failure points, very rare for internal failure would expect normal diff life span. No user error, maximum traction always applied to the ground.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? Would recomend H/Duty CV's and Axels with any full locker regardless of brand (other than trutrack)

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? Between $1000 and $1600 unfitted ea Fitting about $500 for both diffs

[Disco_owner]

A. What type You have? Rear Maxi drive with Diff housing laminated on D1.

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)

Had it installed by ATV Automotive.

C. Inital impression? Excellent. works every time.

D. Test of time results? Very realiable.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? None

F. how much did it cost? about $3300 from memory but that included the Diff housing being laminated which was app $880.

[DirtyDawg]

There have been a few threads lately about diff lockers and types out there and how good they are. As there seemes to be more people than just me out there that are interseted in this, how about an active dicussion.
Lets start with

A. What type You have? ARB front and rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) By ARB with Landrover skills

C. Inital impression?:eek::eek:Like a different friggin car, chalk and cheese woohoo:):)

D. Test of time results?No dramas I just change diff oil more often

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? Complete Sals rebuild

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? about $4800 including the rebuild;)

Try and keep it short and sweet, and lets see what the real answers are over the test of time.
I think it'll be quite interesting what people have to say on an overall adverage.

Cheres guys

Larns
I hope thats short enough Larns;) but definately they are sweet:D

[discopete]

to push this great thread to the front page again...

Anyone else running truetracs or detroits? Looking at the prices quoted previously on here; how come detroits are dearer than the truetrac (lsd)... been quoted today 1100 for a truetrac straight supply from OL.

I've ordered mine TT and DL from DTS in the states. They use trackable sea freight and cost me about $700ish each landed. Make sure you order and have them shipped seperate or you'll be slugged duty and gst.

Cheers,
Pete

[camel_landy]

No lockers fitted to mine, I just learnt how to drive properly... :p

:angel:

M

[mns488]

Just had a rear locker installed in october:

A. What type You have? ARB Rear (with tyre compressor) & Maxi axle

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) N/A

C. Inital impression? great install and used it last week in High Country and very happy with the result and even a little surprised.

D. Test of time results? used once, so far

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? replaced the rear donut with a uni.

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?
installed rear locker, tyre compressor, maxi axle and uni replaced $2900.

[Merv]

Test of time results? No external failure points, very rare for internal failure would expect normal diff life span. No user error, maximum traction always applied to the ground.



Didn't you break an axle at MGG?

[Jezzaol]

Didn't you break an axle at MGG?

Yes, but a small tractor track was trying to recover me by applying EXTREME shock load in jerks ! and from the other side I had a log bigger than half the circumfrence of my 35" tyre, the marshals wanted me to be clear of the obstical and urged me to drive assist the recovery, I stuck the right foot in at that same time a huge shock load was applied and broke my front CV !, THEN THEY BROUGHT OVER THE BIG TRACTOR AND RECOVERED ME !I am sure under those circumstances a unlocked diff would have broke aswell !

[Redback]

A. What type You have?
Maxi-Drive rear Locker

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed)
Installed by Bruce Davis Preformance Landies

C. Inital impression?
Fantastic works well

D. Test of time results?
Installed about 2 years ago. Has always worked well.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker?
None kit comes with axles

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost?
$3,700 for the locker kit and fitting, way too much for fitting.

Would like to get a front Maxidrive, if the install was a bit cheaper.

Baz.

[Tank]

A. What type You have? ARB Airlockers front and rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) Followed the instructions and had nil problems. Fitted rear first.

C. Inital impression? Now throw a hill at me, bugger need front locker

D. Test of time results? Rear in car now for 5 years, front 4 years. Having both lockers has been easier on the car as less momentium is required. I also haven't had to be recovered since fitting both (more luck than management) as I have been able to back out if I have to and pick a different line.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? I broke a CV before lockers and short axle wheelstanding the car (lockers off). Nil other damage but only running 245/75 16 MTR's. The only thing I have noticed is the rear locker does spit diff oil out sometimes. Enough to give the smell of the oil, however not enough to empty the diff or in fact change the level. I could take it back however not effecting the performance.

I hope this helps, as for cost any ARB shop will tell you as I am sure they have gone up.
DiscoDan, I had same problem, if the compressor runs for a long time (longer than it should) it is probably an O ring seal in the actuator in the diff. If the compressor only runs for normal time, check that your diff breather is not blocked, remove the diff end spud and blow it out. My diff breather was blocked and oil was coming out the vent on the compressor, with the smell of oil. Since clearing the blocked breather, no more oil or smells, Regards Frank.

[kingyrules]

hey guys has any one heard of these lokka,
::4WD Systems - LOKKA Automatic Differential Locks:: (http://www.4wdsystems.com.au/html/lokka.htm)
i wonder if there any good. not a plug just wonding.

[rovercare]

hey guys has any one heard of these lokka,
::4WD Systems - LOKKA Automatic Differential Locks:: (http://www.4wdsystems.com.au/html/lokka.htm)
i wonder if there any good. not a plug just wonding.

Pretty sure they dont make them for rovers anymore, the puny little Rover cross pin can't take that form of locker and you get "snappy el crocadile":D

So, no good, although I've installed a couple, one into a 308 hilux with 33" mudzillas, not has 9", with Lokka, 304EFI and 35's

The other was an MQ with 350chev and 36" centipedes, they're not all that bad for the price, but still no good for your rover

[kingyrules]

Pretty sure they dont make them for rovers anymore, the puny little Rover cross pin can't take that form of locker and you get "snappy el crocadile":D

So, no good, although I've installed a couple, one into a 308 hilux with 33" mudzillas, not has 9", with Lokka, 304EFI and 35's

The other was an MQ with 350chev and 36" centipedes, they're not all that bad for the price, but still no good for your rover

bugga!!!!! oh well looks like arb for me then. more cash

[101RRS]

I have no first hand experience - Some people think they were good most thought they were not so good.

My brother in law had them in the front and rear of his hilux and they destroyed his diffs about 3 times - he then took them out with no more smashed diffs bit not as much traction either.

Cheap and nasty as he said.

Garry

[sclarke]

A. What type You have? ARB Salsibury Locker

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) Was installed when i bought the Rear Diff assembly

C. Inital impression? Great, No problems. When its in, its in...

D. Test of time results? 1 year

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? I bought a new compressor and HD line kit

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? Locker in the 130 housing was $1700 and the compressor and lines and switched another $300

[blitz]

[quote=Larns;496372]There have been a few threads lately about diff lockers and types out there and how good they are. As there seemes to be more people than just me out there that are interseted in this, how about an active dicussion.
Lets start with

A. What type You have? ARB front and rear

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) By ARB Darwin

C. Inital impression? They are a traction aid not a recovery aid (got hung up on the diffs first time out):(

D. Test of time results? would never own a 4wd without them

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? err 2 1/2" spring lift kit, dual batteries, long range tank, 265/70/10 BFG AT's etc etc:D:D

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? I havent really kept a individual cost all up I have spent about 20k on upgrades - maxi axles next if I break one of the 24 splines

I use the front and rear as is needed, as I said above I would never own a 4wd without them but then again I would never own a 4wd without a winch either. I am currently using the diso as a tractor to clear scrub from my property and simply couldnt do it with out the lockers.

Cheers Blythe

[rar110]

so is maxi drive lockers still available? I bought the right axles with the intention of buying the locker later?

[weeds]

so is maxi drive lockers still available? I bought the right axles with the intention of buying the locker later?

not sure, however it they don't you can still fit an arb or autolocker

[Chucaro]

for what I have read so far nothing can beat in value truetrac front & back fro $ 1300 the set plus fitting :eek:

[Treads]

Bringing this one back to the top of the list again :angel:

Has anyone recently had a quote/installation for ARB or JacMac lockers? I want to get a F&R install done when the taxman is nice enough to give me some money back this year :p

[cewilson]

Bringing this one back to the top of the list again :angel:

Has anyone recently had a quote/installation for ARB or JacMac lockers? I want to get a F&R install done when the taxman is nice enough to give me some money back this year :p


I've nor long fitted mine.

Prices approx were:

Rover front - $1050
Salisbury rear - $1150
ARB high flow air compressor and tyre kit - $300

I fitted it myself so I can't give fitting prices sorry.

Front bearings were about $50 for the pair
Rear bearing were $100 for the pair

Cheers
Chris



P.S - god damn they are fun though :twisted:

[Treads]

P.S - god damn they are fun though :twisted:

So I've heard :cool:

Thanks

[V8Landy]

My Jac macs were about $1250 each and we fitted them.Used Arb compressor with wiring for lockers pretty easy install.Cheers Brett


Bringing this one back to the top of the list again :angel:

Has anyone recently had a quote/installation for ARB or JacMac lockers? I want to get a F&R install done when the taxman is nice enough to give me some money back this year :p

[rar110]

JacMac recently quoted me $1850 for rear 110 locker.

[peachey80]

Hey guys,
I've been looking at some form of traction aid for the rear of my 85 rangie, Detroit lockers & true tracs are pretty cheap from the states, around $500....

Question I've got is if I'm going to spend some money on a new centre, would it be worth while putting in some better axels to replace the old 10 splines....
I would like to, but as always have to justify the spend. Would it be worth while going all out and putting in maxi axels, or just a pair of later ones from a disco ?

Cheers.

Shayne

[barjop]

A. What type You have? Rear TruTrac

B. How easy was it to install (for those that self installed) Too scared to have ago, but after seeing how, next time I'll do it.

C. Inital impression? Really Really Happy

D. Test of time results? 4 months, I trip to Toolangi, 1 to Lerderderg and 3 nighter from Tom Groggin to Licola.

E. Extras you had to purchase as a result of the locker? Nil

F. And most importantly....how much did it cost? $495 including postage from US & bearings. (note dollar improved since then). $150 to fit TruTrac, I removed and installed the 3rd member from the disco

Barjop
98 D1 Tdi Auto
Rear TT
Ride Pro suspension 2 inch lift

[rovercare]

Hey guys,
I've been looking at some form of traction aid for the rear of my 85 rangie, Detroit lockers & true tracs are pretty cheap from the states, around $500....

Question I've got is if I'm going to spend some money on a new centre, would it be worth while putting in some better axels to replace the old 10 splines....
I would like to, but as always have to justify the spend. Would it be worth while going all out and putting in maxi axels, or just a pair of later ones from a disco ?

Cheers.

Shayne

Fit the axles, spend the money, really:)

[isuzurover]

JacMac recently quoted me $1850 for rear 110 locker.

Standard? 35 spline?

[rar110]

Standard? 35 spline?

standard, center only - no axles.