How did you like Wandin this year?

[mcrover]

Well folks,

I wasn't sure on sunday morning if I were still going as it was said it was going to be 38 deg, bit hot for me but went anyway and took a Pootrol owner with me.

It was pretty good this year I thought with most of the same people there as every year and some new some what over the top modified rigs to ogle at and wish I had the money for.

I got my diehard poo owner to go for a ride in a Defender around the track and we both agreed that we bath need air lockers.

He normally doesn't say much and he didn't really want to come but he didn't shut up all the way home and then started measuring stuff up on his project hilux for some of the mods he saw up there.

Hope you all had fun, I did.

[crash]

This year was my first to Wandin (2hr drive).
Manged to find a couple of things I needed and picked up a few Ideas.
Man, there were some heavily modified rigs, in both car park and at vendor sights which were good to look at.
Only complaint was I did not find the people at the Landrover owners club all that friendly or aproachable regarding the club, which I am mildly interested in joining. They all seemed to be sitting down in the shade and having too good of a time catching up with old friends then to talk to potential club members.
I also did not see anywhere, or hear any anoucements about going for rides around the test track, or what the purpose of the test track was for.
Demos in the main arena were good, what I saw, but found it too hot to stick around for too long at.

[4bee]

Only complaint was I did not find the people at the Landrover owners club all that friendly or aproachable regarding the club, which I am mildly interested in joining. They all seemed to be sitting down in the shade and having too good of a time catching up with old friends then to talk to potential club members.

Yeah, why is that? It's not only Land Rovers either. Seems a bit 'precious' to me. Their loss.:mad:

[hiline]

This year was my first to Wandin (2hr drive).
Manged to find a couple of things I needed and picked up a few Ideas.
Man, there were some heavily modified rigs, in both car park and at vendor sights which were good to look at.
Only complaint was I did not find the people at the Landrover owners club all that friendly or aproachable regarding the club, which I am mildly interested in joining. They all seemed to be sitting down in the shade and having too good of a time catching up with old friends then to talk to potential club members.
I also did not see anywhere, or hear any anoucements about going for rides around the test track, or what the purpose of the test track was for.
Demos in the main arena were good, what I saw, but found it too hot to stick around for too long at.

hmmmmm that doesn't surprise me at all ;)
best advise i can give you save your money :wasntme:

[ladas]

This year was my first to Wandin (2hr drive).
Manged to find a couple of things I needed and picked up a few Ideas.
Man, there were some heavily modified rigs, in both car park and at vendor sights which were good to look at.
Only complaint was I did not find the people at the Landrover owners club all that friendly or aproachable regarding the club, which I am mildly interested in joining. They all seemed to be sitting down in the shade and having too good of a time catching up with old friends then to talk to potential club members.
I also did not see anywhere, or hear any anoucements about going for rides around the test track, or what the purpose of the test track was for.
Demos in the main arena were good, what I saw, but found it too hot to stick around for too long at.

Tend to agree with Hiline on that. Save your money.

Communication skills seem to have by-passed this organisation.

[Dave110]

We tend to go every couple of years and have done for years but I think that this was our last got sick of "you drive what? " (Defender) no we don't make this to suit them ! It used to be a Land Rover show with bits for LR's it gets less and less each year and costs more and more each year!

[D110V8D]

Tend to agree with Hiline on that. Save your money.

Communication skills seem to have by-passed this organisation.

:D :D :D :D I told you, you have to know the secret handshake.;) ;)

[mcrover]

Im not a member and I don't think I even know anyone who is a member of the LOCV or what ever they call them selves but I can understand why on that weekend they may not be all that sociable by Sunday afternoon.

High 30's and a million things to do and only a few people who actually do it normally makes people a bit tempremental as I found when I was involved with some stuff with my parents Lions club.

The landrover based displays were all reasonable but even some of the people on them can be a bit strange and even to the point of rude e.g. do I really have to take money off you and what you want me to help you with that $1500 worth of accessories was the attitude last year so I just made deals this year and a few contacts for the future.

The only thing we bought was a black snake snatchy as Stu broke his pulling out another poo from the crap in Bunyip S/F.

The Idea of the demo track is to see the highly modified Pootrols and Jeeps and the like struggle to get through some of the course while Landrover built trucks just plod around all day without too much effort.

It was great to see a 101 out there making light work of the whole track.

I'll go back next year as Im only 50mins away and I get to catch up with friends in Mt Ev on my way back down.

[sclarke]

Mormons i tell you................

[MacMan]

We went, we walked, we sweltered. I took a total of abnout 4 photos of one of the Discos there to pinch ideas, and bought canvas tool bags. Too hot and bothered to look at the tracks there.

The other thing that would have annoyed the LROCV mob was the volume of the pa speakers on the Snake Handler stall next door. Effin loud, but worth a look.

We would have got more out of it in more favourable conditions, but having all the different camper trailers there was fantastic. We don't know which one, but we know we want one. And 6 months off work...

[ladas]

[quote=mcrover;498650]Im not a member and I don't think I even know anyone who is a member of the LOCV or what ever they call them selves but I can understand why on that weekend they may not be all that sociable by Sunday afternoon.

High 30's and a million things to do and only a few people who actually do it normally makes people a bit tempremental as I found when I was involved with some stuff with my parents Lions club.

quote]

We camped overnight, and I went to the stand at 09:00 Sunday morning - nobody was busy then - and it hadn't got too hot either (mind you by 10:00 it was already heating up)

I just do not think they are very well organised.

[grumpybastard]

I am really peeved!!!!

The website says:

The 2007 Show will go live on
Sunday February 18th
9:00am to 4:30pm

We turned up just before 3pm as our daughter had a birthday party to go to before hand, but a bit over an hour and a half is okay to have a look around i thought.

I handed over my $30 and and headed in, i was suprised that at 3pm some of the exhibitors were packing up, but hey i thought fair enough its bloody hot and all.

I went to have a chat to LROCV, (i was curious to see if it was worth joining) but they were pulling there site down!

Then at 3:30pm an announcement comes over the PA that the show is closed!

WTF!!!!

Now what really ****s me is:

1. LROCV cant even get something as important as the show opening hours correct

2. They took my money (as well as many others) without hesitation even though the show was closing in 30 mins

[waynep]

I am really peeved!!!!

They took my money (as well as many others) without hesitation even though the show was closing in 30 mins

I didn't go this year but when I have been before I noticed they seemed to have closed down the ticket gates later in the day.

If I was you I'd be writing to LROCV - see if you can get a refund. At least you'd let them know of your disappointment. If they are like other Clubs they should read out correspondence at their meetings.

[ladas]

I didn't go this year but when I have been before I noticed they seemed to have closed down the ticket gates later in the day.

If I was you I'd be writing to LROCV - see if you can get a refund. At least you'd let them know of your disappointment. If they are like other Clubs they should read out correspondence at their meetings.

That is of course if they bother to reply

[Disco300Tdi]

I envy you guys that went to the show in the high 30s

It was warmer at Gunbower Island on the Murray for 4 days, low to mid 40s

plenty to drink, plenty of fish :twobeers: :firedevil:

Next year when the Wandin show is on again, I will remember to go back to the Murray River......

[Ace]

With any luck i will be able to make it down next year. I have one question though, WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS?

[Bytemrk]

Interesting reading....

Never ceases to amaze me the small number of people that attend a show like this then come and shytebag it publicly on a forum like this...

Yes it was bloody hot on Sunday..... it was also bloody hot on Saturday and Friday for the volunteers that put the show together.. And on the Monday morning after as well..

No doubt there are things that could be done better... that show is put together by a small number of volunteers that work bloody hard on it.. and instead of bitching in a public forum... maybe some constructive criticism would be more appreciated or appropriate...:mad:

Ladas - aren't I right in thinking you are an LROCV member?...didn't see you there working there either over the weekend or the several working bees before hand to get the show up and running - maybe your 3 negative posts here might have been better handled approaching the club with a suggestion to improve things.. not just having a public whinge.;)

Crash - Signage to the demonstration track wasn't as good as it should have been... but the were buses continually ferrying people there and back - which where marked on the program.. It will be better signed next year. I'm sad to hear you thought those at the club tent weren't very friendly.... not much of an excuse.. but if it was late in the afternoon - maybe they were a bit buggered from the heat... I know I was.

Dave 110 - I agree it would be nice to have more Land rover specific stuff... but the show is a bit limited by the exhibitors that come.. As far as cost goes... it might surprise you to know it actually does cost money to hire that property, the Generators, the toilets, the showers the buses..etc etc etc.. Think about how much all the other shows cost.... it's not that expensive..

SClarke - Mormons:eek::eek::eek: what you been smoking boy?

Macman - yep... we stuffed up the snake pa real good......couldn't get it sorted unfortunately..

Grumpybastard - The show was meant to go through to 4:30 - because of the extreme heat and the fact that there were so many people all ready leaving ( and very few arriving) it was decided to let the exhibitors pack up early as many were requesting. At that time we had a problem - of exhibitors packing up and leaving on tracks full of vistors - which is an obvious worry. I've PM'ed you.


There are definitely things that could be done better at Wandin - but frankly there is a huge amount of work done by a small group of people to make it happen - Sunday saw 1000's of people visit the show and most were happy with it.

Yes it was hot and uncomfortable - but you can't blame LROCV for that!

To the few that choose to whinge and bitch publicly - if you are an LROCV member get involved and actually contribute
- if you are not, try some constructive criticism

Otherwise pull your heads in.

:soapbox:

Mark

[hiline]

Bytemrk how many years has the show been running ????


i think its more than twice ;)

saying that you would think they would have many things already sorted by now :angel:

having people paying $20 for 30mins is a bit stiff :o


i was a member last year and trust me i'll never be one again:twisted: :twisted:

some of them being RUDE is a understatement


yes i did put my hand up for a few things whilst i was a member
but got nothing out of it

even sat by myself on a few trips while the secret hand shake went around:angrylock:

[Bytemrk]

Ray,

It's been going for 29 years,

It's run totally by volunteers - so from year to year - the expertise in different areas changes.

I am not saying it was perfect - of course it wasn't - lots can improve.

I know that being a club member is not for everyone.. it would be strange if we all agreed on everything.
LROCV has about 1000 members - I'm sure some of them are rude... I've just never come across it.

I've already Pm'd Grumpybastard to see if I can help... we are not in the business of ripping people off. Decisions get made in the fly in these situations that have results that weren't planned. They did let people in for free for some time before the exhibitor's started to pack up.. I'm betting GB was one of the last charged..

I don't expect everyone here to agree with me... but it just pi$$es me off when people work hard to make something good - and other negative forumites just $h!tcan it rather than suggesting ways to make it better.:mad:

Mark

[ladas]

Ladas - aren't I right in thinking you are an LROCV member?...didn't see you there working there either over the weekend or the several working bees before hand to get the show up and running - maybe your 3 negative posts here might have been better handled approaching the club with a suggestion to improve things.. not just having a public whinge.;)


To the few that choose to whinge and bitch publicly - if you are an LROCV member get involved and actually contribute
- if you are not, try some constructive criticism

Otherwise pull your heads in.

:soapbox:

Mark

Mark I think if I had read these observations by several individuals I would have thought ' uh, maybe we are doing something wrong.

I had refrained from listing the catalogues of lack of the response from the club I had recieved, but now you have given me the option to come in all guns blazing.

I paid my fees in November, and had to send three emails before I recieved any response, and that was a curt comment on the lines that it's run by volenteers and you just have to wait.

Later - after another request for info I was told that my membership would be discussed / whatever at the next meeting on a certain date, and I would be advised acordingly.

Well guess what, some three weeks after said date still nothing - so again a very polite email requesting the info, and I did get a response

Dear Ladas,
It appears there may have been a glitch in my email and you might not have received this email sent on 14/12/06.
Regards,
Pam

Dear Ladas
At the last LROCV Committee Meeting your application for membership was considered and I am pleased to advise that it was unanimously accepted.

Congratulations and welcome to the club.

I than advised the club, that as my youngest son was attending his very first day at school I was unable to attend the meeting where I was to recieve me membership pack, I could not attend, and asked for my pack to be sent onto me.

After two weeks I again sent a polite email asking if it had been sent, the response was

Hi Ladas,
Your pack was sent over a week ago..
It was sent to X XXX XXXXX, Kyabram 3620
Let me know if this is the right address.

I advised that it had not arrived, and that the address was correct.

No reply

A further two email messages, with no response.

I can if you like post the total content of the email messages with dates, times everything - but that might be even more embaressing to the club.

Had I had a chance of getting any response from the club then maybe I might have offered my services, maybe if I had had my membership pack in time maybe I may have 'felt like' a member and would actually wanted to be part of it.

My visit to the stand to discuss these issues at 09:00 on saturday morning - where I ask can I speak to Pam, response "she's not here" when will she be back "dunno" can I discuss my membership with anyone else, "No Pam deals with that". Can you give me a clue when she's likely to be around "Not a clue, mate"

At that point I gave up, the bruise on my forehead from beating it against a brick wall was getting bigger and bigger.

I like many others had PAID to visit the show, - you know customers, and if you would have read and understood most of the comments then from that you should have worked out that some of the paying CUSTOMERS were not over impressed.

The exhibits were fine, the heat as you say was outside your control, my issue is with the club and now you.

I tried, and tried, and I was not going to expell my full disapointment at the total incompetance in basic pure, easy communications on this forum, but as stated earlier you have given me the perfect oportunity.

Any no I will not "Pull my head in" - I have a point of view, and I am free to air my views on this forum.

But I do know where you can stick you club membership - and it's the opposite end to your head.

[hiline]

we as outsiders have no input into the show

we can only get on here and have our say on how disappointed we were in the show ;)

i myself don't really go for the show itself i only go to meet all the guy's :D :D :beer:


i know how hard it would be to set it all up but after 22yrs you would think it would almost run itself

22yrs is a long time to keep getting it wrong:wasntme:


mark i'm not having a personal attack at you :D

but where the hell were you sunday morning while i was waiting for my egg/bacon rolls:p ;)

[Signal1]

This was the first year I attended. It sure was hot which in a way detracted from the day but obviously couldn't be helped.

I was impressed with the ticketing area and the speed in which we entered and parked. Congrats to LROCV & CFA in this area.

Getting around to all the exhibitors was easy enough. I was mainly looking for general accessories so found a good variety.
Any exhibitors reading this - considering there was going to be a significant number of LR owners there, how about bringing LR accessories and LR vehicles fitted with such accessories. Will help with demonstations and selling next time.

I agree that LROCV members at the marquee seemed a little standoffish but the heat would have been a big factor here.

Main improvements I could suggest would be:
Clearly identifiable volunteers walking the crowd so questions could be asked.
Few more rubbish bins would have been good (not sure if this was an issue for clean-up crews)
Bit more shade on such hot days but again I appreciate this is all cost. I suppose I felt for the parents with young ones in prams etc.

Thank you to LROCV for putting on the event and I will be back next year to see how it goes. Thanks also to CFA volunteers for their time.

Oh - big criticism - I didn't get to see Kenny at the dunnies :p

[Bytemrk]

mark i'm not having a personal attack at you :D

but where the hell were you sunday morning while i was waiting for my egg/bacon rolls:p ;)


;) Chasing the electricians getting the generators running

My young bloke probably served you though :p


Mark

[hiline]

;) Chasing the electricians getting the generators running

My young bloke probably served you though :p


Mark


nope unless he's gone all girlie on ya ;)

[Bytemrk]

nope unless he's gone all girlie on ya ;)

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[D110V8D]

WOW!!!! What a great show it was this year.:woot: :woot:

:angel:

[waynep]

Having been on the Committee of a 4WD Club I undertand the issues that can arise where events are put on - it always seems the same old few volunteers put in all the hard work and it seems everyone else just whinges.

No one here I'm sure is trying to denegrate all the hard work that went in to organising the show.

But it's important for event organising committees to listen to constructive criticism ( no matter where it comes from ) rather than getting defensive about it.

[profpinz]

G'Day All,

I'm a newbie to this Forum but have been lurking for some years, but I thought after reading a few of the latest comments here that it was time I spoke out, in particular about a few comments made re the LROCV.


i was a member last year and trust me i'll never be one again

some of them being RUDE is a understatement


yes i did put my hand up for a few things whilst i was a member
but got nothing out of it

even sat by myself on a few trips while the secret hand shake went around
I was surprised by Rays comments as I've been a member of a number of 4WD Clubs continually since the mid 1970's (Range Rover Club, Diamond Valley 4WD Club, Haflinger Club of Aust etc, etc) and a member of the LROCV for 12 years now and I think it's great.
During that time I have found most members to be friendly, helpful and courteous (sure their are exceptions but they are few and far between) .... and all this despite the fact that I'm NOT strictly a LR fanatic! :)

Yes, I drive a classic RR, but my passion is for PINZGAUERS and HAFLINGERS. .... I have 2 Pinzgauers, 2 Haflingers and a 91 RR.

Despite my affliction, the members of the LROCV have been gracious in accepting me into the fold and while I do cop some "friendly flak" from time to time, I have NEVER found it necessary to learn any "secret handshakes".

As regards the Show, yes the weather conditions condition did make it a difficult year, and we learn a little each year, but in general and in speaking to members of the various Clubs there, and indeed some of the exhibitors, most were happy with the result, despite the conditions .... In general it's strange that most of the flak aired to date has been from LR owners / enthusiasts.

[EchiDna]

thankless task being an organiser ;) sadly, like all things, 95% of the work is done by 5% of the people.

first up I didn't attend but will in future (if within cooee!)

my two cents: digest all the comments - there is a lot of constructive criticism in there, just somewhat veiled!

e.g. - even if the club doesn't like being spoken of as aloof or secretive or disinterested in members... it doesn't mean that others don't see it as such (in whatever way) and this can be tackled.

I'm a member of a public group that as a new member it seems to be highly secretive, BUT the committee has a sub group for introducing new members into the fold - these people only work on helping new members feel welcome. The first meeting I went to I felt like an alien as I'm 34 and the group is dominated by 60+ year olds, but then I found that the people are great, they just feel safer with their own long term buddies...

that said, on a 40 degree day, I can imagine 20 or more club members being in the stand and hanging out with their mates. If not specifically tasked with looking after prospective members, they will ignore the people they don't know - it's normal human behavior... and this is typically seen as being rude because a prospective member believes all they need to do is show up and someone will welcome them into the fold, when that doesn't happen they get insulted to varying degrees depending on the personality of the individual. This might be irrelevant because you already have a new members sub committee - but the effectiveness of member recruitment should not be impacted by the weather as the vic 4x4 show should be THE recruitment event of the year for LROCV- All the active members should be watching for possible new members cruising the stand! if they aren't tell em to pi$$ orf from the stand or give them somewhere else to meet and mingle.

I'll get off my box now :)

good luck with it Bytemrk, there is much to be gained from the comments made by everyone... even if it looks rough the LROCV guys...

[profpinz]

They all seemed to be sitting down in the shade and having too good of a time catching up with old friends then to talk to potential club members.

Crash, just to clarify the situation, I believe you may have wandered into the LROCV volunteers tent (directly behind the grandstand..... We may have to look at cordening it off in the future if that was the case).
This area was for LROCV volunteers to rest and revive (it was sorely needed on the day) after their spell volunteering on the Enterance Gate, Demo Arena, Club tent, Adventure Circuit, Information Booth or any of the other areas that utilise the 150-200 Club volunteers.

The actual LROCV Club tent (next to the "Snake Man's" tent) was manned by 4-5 members who I saw talking to a slow but steady stream of interested people .... I think their was only a few seats in it.

[Bytemrk]

Having been on the Committee of a 4WD Club I undertand the issues that can arise where events are put on - it always seems the same old few volunteers put in all the hard work and it seems everyone else just whinges.

No one here I'm sure is trying to denegrate all the hard work that went in to organising the show.

But it's important for event organising committees to listen to constructive criticism ( no matter where it comes from ) rather than getting defensive about it.

G'day Wayne,

Didn't mean to be defensive... just a bit crapped off by what appeared to be a lot of negativity.. (Probably just too tired;))

Rest assured all the constructive comments made here and other forums will be listened to and considered .... after all - we are much more likely to be successful if we deliver what most people want.. ( It's also easier than thinking up new ideas yourself:p)

Anyway Wandin 2007 is history....

Let's start planning 2008:twisted:

Mark

[hiline]

Crash, just to clarify the situation, I believe you may have wandered into the LROCV volunteers tent (directly behind the grandstand..... We may have to look at cordening it off in the future if that was the case).
This area was for LROCV volunteers to rest and revive (it was sorely needed on the day) after their spell volunteering on the Enterance Gate, Demo Arena, Club tent, Adventure Circuit, Information Booth or any of the other areas that utilise the 150-200 Club volunteers.

The actual LROCV Club tent (next to the "Snake Man's" tent) was manned by 4-5 members who I saw talking to a slow but steady stream of interested people .... I think their was only a few seats in it.


why couldn't they just point them in the right direction :angel:
its not that hard even if they are hot and bothered;)

[hiline]

G'day Wayne,

Didn't mean to be defensive... just a bit crapped off by what appeared to be a lot of negativity.. (Probably just too tired;))

Rest assured all the constructive comments made here and other forums will be listened to and considered .... after all - we are much more likely to be successful if we deliver what most people want.. ( It's also easier than thinking up new ideas yourself:p)

Anyway Wandin 2007 is history....

Let's start planning 2008:twisted:

Mark


shove your stupid show :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


lets hope its cooler next year :D ;)

[mcrover]

I didn't think this would end up being a slag fest against the LRCOV.

As I said before I understand what it is like to organise such events but not on that scale but after 27 years and even with wholesale changes to vollenteers there should stil be at least guidlines that should be followed.

A couple of people I know had stands and were happy with the results of the show and the newbie I took thought it was pretty good but Ive been a few times before and if I wasn't there he would have had no idea that he could catch a bus down to the track as with us the first year we went.

As for LRCOV members being rude, well I would say not very aproachable but not overly rude to me and as such I wouldn't bother joining their club as im naturaly friendly and no one seems to have to much trouble striking up a convo with me but when I didn't get a program at the gate I went to their tent near the snake man and asked for one and they couldn't help me and failing walking back to the gate that granted isn't far I gave up but there was no sorry mate or you can get one at the gate just a quick and blunt cant help you I dont have any.

Again he may have been overly hot and I wasn't offended but it is interesting to hear that there were quite a few people who had similar experiences.

Some of the vendors need an attitude check as well, 1 of the suspention suppliers were far less than helpful when I had a question about some hilux suspention with about 6 people sitting around talking it felt like we'd walked into their lounge room and interupted them.

This is all intended to be constructive as I did enjoy the show and so did my mate and If anyone has anything to say do what I tell my commitee members at the golf course to do and put some good in with the bad to soften the blow.

No one likes to be told what to do when it's their baby but sometimes a little critisism can be excepted as moving forward.

By the way Ray, I PM'd you my Mobi number and you didn't call so you didn't get to meet me :( Doesn't matter maybe next time.

[hiline]

By the way Ray, I PM'd you my Mobi number and you didn't call so you didn't get to meet me :( Doesn't matter maybe next time.

:eek: :eek: sorry mate

but i left the show at around 11am had a mate coming down from Cobram

[mcrover]

Thats cool Ray, we had a good time without you...:D

[rangieman]

Thats cool Ray, we had a good time without you...:D
we did last year cause all he did was sleep all day:p

[mcrover]

Good to see he gets the most out of the show...:)

Must have a comfy swag or something.

[rangieman]

Good to see he gets the most out of the show...:)

Must have a comfy swag or something.
He gets the most out of saturday night beer, food more beer and some freindly company and would you beleive more beer:cool:

[hiline]

to many beers sometimes ;)

[rangieman]

at least you admit it !:cool:

[ladas]

;)
to many beers sometimes ;)

No, I don't think so - he was fast asleep before the night was out:p

......................but then again so was I

[hiline]

at least you admit it !:cool:

i always stand by what i do ;)

good or bad

[Dave110]

Repy to Bytemrk

The thing that set the LROCV show above any other 4x4 show for years, was the fact it was aimed at LR owners by LR owners because they weren't being catered for at any of the other shows. you can see how much the dynamics of the show have changed, in the area we were parked there were only 2 LR ours, a Defender and a Disco. every other 4x4 was Japanese

[cmurray]

Repy to Bytemrk

The thing that set the LROCV show above any other 4x4 show for years, was the fact it was aimed at LR owners by LR owners because they weren't being catered for at any of the other shows. you can see how much the dynamics of the show have changed, in the area we were parked there were only 2 LR ours, a Defender and a Disco. every other 4x4 was Japanese

Dave110,
I think you will find that LROCV have gone to great lengths not to aim at Land Rover owners, as they don't want it to be known as "The Land Rover show". If you look at the brochures, the only reference to Land Rovers is the club Logo at the bottom of the back cover.
What the exhibitors display has nothing to do with the club and never has. As for the number of Land Rovers in the car park, this may reflect a greater number of vehicles in the car park, or a decline in the number of Land Rovers that are actually used for four wheel driving. I don't know which it is, as I haven't seen the car park during the show for about 10 years!

[LRHybrid100]

Its just a pity there were more Jap 4WDs around than LRs!!!

I was shocked to hear most of the LROCV dont drive LRs - maybe its all to do with the hand shake? :D

LRH

[4bee]

Its just a pity there were more Jap 4WDs around than LRs!!!

I was shocked to hear most of the LROCV dont drive LRs -

Maybe a name change is in order? Nippon Owners Club of Victoria?;)

[Dave110]

I realise that LROCV has no control over what exhibitors display but it would be nice for some of the exhibitors to display their LR stuff. for example as far as I know OL are the only importers of the South African made auxillary fuel tank that fits in the rear drivers side wheel arch I would love to take a look at one before buying, the only way I can see one is to order one in from Ol. if I want to see one for any other 4x4 I can see it at any 4x4 accessory place on the other hand Longranger who make fuel tanks for any 4x4 had LR tanks as their display

[Bytemrk]

Its just a pity there were more Jap 4WDs around than LRs!!!
LRH

I guess that has more to do with Land Rovers Marketing department.... sad situation - but a reality of life..




I was shocked to hear most of the LROCV dont drive LRs - maybe its all to do with the hand shake? :D

LRH

Not quite sure where you heard that...... but it is BS.

You do not have to drive a Landy to be a member of LROCV ( if you don't you are an associate member - there is a link on the site that explains membership for those interested http://www.lrocv.com.au/store/page.pl?id=75)

The majority of members do own at least 1 Landy - and some have dozens:twisted:.

Sure there are several other makes, but the vast majority are Land Rovers. I'd be very surprised if the Jap 4x4's make up as much as 5% of vehicles.

Mark

[Bytemrk]

I realise that LROCV has no control over what exhibitors display but it would be nice for some of the exhibitors to display their LR stuff. for example as far as I know OL are the only importers of the South African made auxillary fuel tank that fits in the rear drivers side wheel arch I would love to take a look at one before buying, the only way I can see one is to order one in from Ol. if I want to see one for any other 4x4 I can see it at any 4x4 accessory place on the other hand Longranger who make fuel tanks for any 4x4 had LR tanks as their display

It's a good point Dave, I'll ask if there is a way we can persuade those sorts of exhibitors to include those specific Land Rover items in their display.

Maybe closer to next years show I should post on here - see if I can get some specific requests for the exhibitors.... at worst they can only say no...

That said as Craig mentioned above - it is run by LROCV but promoted as "The Victorian 4WD Show" - no one said it was Land Rover ONLY.

Cheers, Mark

[rmp]

Just a note about the LROCV. I've been a member for three years now. It's a fine club and worth joining for the contacts, trips and events.

However, like any club new members can take a little while to mix in. This is just the way all clubs are, it's not an LROCV-specific thing. When I join a club for the first time I don't let first impressions count, I give them a fair go. That includes not getting annoyed if my membership pack doesn't arrive and other admin glitches happen, because that's what clubs are like.

[mcrover]

RMP I dont think anything that has been posyed in this thread has been unreasonable.

If people treat me like they dont want me there I dont go there and if people dont do what they say they will do and then cant be contacted then it is working against everything that a club is meant to be there for and negative feedback should be expected not dismissed or ignored and definatly this sort of actions buy your members should not be ignored.

If you like your club and think that this is unfair then bring it up at one of your meetings, ask the insisor if you can print it out for club use as this seems to have become pricless feed back that most clubs would love to get their hands on (if they were smart).

If you combat these issues and it seems to be a minority group which is causing the problems then your club will be great.

At the moment it is only great to people that have been accepted into a click within the club.

This is a good thing that you have got feed back use it to your advantage.

[rmp]

I never said the comments were incorrect, or unreasonable. I consider them entirely fair. And I will pass this on to the club president, who I know will be mortified.

My point was that many clubs are poor at accepting new members, and I'd advise everyone, for any club they join, to persevere for a bit. Everyone has their own definition of unacceptable behaviour, and I'm not about to argue that point.

I am also very sorry the LROCV seems to have missed out on members. I believe clubs have a lot to offer people, and the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. But clubs aren't for everyone, even if I think everyone should at least give them a go. In my experience, the more you put in, the more you get out.

[mcrover]

Bit hard to join in if the other members dont accept your there.

A club isn't a club without members and the way LROCV goes about getting members they are doing them selves an injustice and will find it hard in years to come if they dont deal with it now.

Acceptable behaviour is based around the do un to others theory, Im sure you wouldn't like to be ignored when you first join a club or group and im not saying that thats what you do personally but there are members in your club that do.

[Bytemrk]

Bit hard to join in if the other members dont accept your there.

A club isn't a club without members and the way LROCV goes about getting members they are doing them selves an injustice and will find it hard in years to come if they don't deal with it now.

Acceptable behavior is based around the do un to others theory, Im sure you wouldn't like to be ignored when you first join a club or group and im not saying that thats what you do personally but there are members in your club that do.

McRover,

The information from here has already been discussed at length both by the show committee and members of the main committee.

You are right that a club needs to react to negative feedback - and that is exactly what is happening.

Unfortunately sometimes in these forums - only one side of an event is represented... so I'd suggest that while reading this thread you keep in mind that some "facts".. may be what someone thought happened rather than a true fact.

Anyway, as I believe Profpinz raised earlier - the club catering tent ( where many club members gathered to recover from the heat) - was located in a high profile area (as it has been for many years) - we suspect that some potential new members wandered in there... rather than the area we specifically set up to help inform and welcome potential new people..Located at the front of the hill under the big Yellow Land Rover tent
Next year - the club catering will be elsewhere - to avoid any more of these problems.

Also Grumpybastard and I have been communicating off line - to try and make up for his unfortunate experience..

I have only been an LROCV member for 2 years... so I am not one of those who have been around for years and years - I found most in the club very approachable and I do believe you get out of a club what you put in.... a bit like life I guess.

That said clubs are not for everybody - I suggest anyone who does want to join a club - come along to a meeting or two.. meet some members and investigate the club before joining.

Anyway - I just wanted to let you know people are listening and acting on much of this feedback.

We all have a common love of Landrovers - it was sad to see this thread degenerate into a mud slinging match... I suspect I didn't help with my first few posts. I was just rather tired...:bangin:

See you out on the tracks one day...

Mark

[hiline]

Anyway, as I believe Profpinz raised earlier - the club catering tent ( where many club members gathered to recover from the heat) - was located in a high profile area (as it has been for many years) - we suspect that some potential new members wandered in there... rather than the area we specifically set up to help inform and welcome potential new people..Located at the front of the hill under the big Yellow Land Rover tent
Next year - the club catering will be elsewhere - to avoid any more of these problems.

I still dont get it why these members hot or not had to be so rude :angel:

come on really its not that hard to say

sorry guy's your in the wrong tent the members tent is over there :D

[Bytemrk]

I still dont get it why these members hot or not had to be so rude :angel:

come on really its not that hard to say

sorry guy's your in the wrong tent the members tent is over there :D

You're right Ray,... I wasn't there - so I don't know what actually happened (were you?:tease:).

That's why we're changing the locations - to avoid it happening again...

Mark

[hiline]

You're right Ray,... I wasn't there - so I don't know what actually happened (were you?:tease:).

That's why we're changing the locations - to avoid it happening again...

Mark


even put a sign out the front of the tent saying members rest area only;)

then that way they wouldn't need to be rude to people not knowing they were in the wrong area ........Heaven forbid :angel:

[mns488]

even put a sign out the front of the tent saying members rest area only;)

then that way they wouldn't need to be rude to people not knowing they were in the wrong area ........Heaven forbid :angel:


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/138.jpg

your on it there ray. :)

after all these years they are still struggling to get it right...:angel:

but i suppose it is volunteers, and probably different ones each year.

[hiline]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/138.jpg

your on it there ray. :)

after all these years they are still struggling to get it right...:angel:

but i suppose it is volunteers, and probably different ones each year.


thanks mate :D

but i really find this hard to believe that club members are so rude to a simple mistake of tents:twisted: :twisted:


and the guy's on here blaming the heat and the wrong tent :angel:


now i think it was you who approached me in the street out of the blue ??
asking a smartbottom question about putting fires out:D


now that was a hot day :eek:
and ended up chatting for 30mins or so

that wasn't even a show driven drive for new members either;)

[rangieman]

even put a sign out the front of the tent saying members rest area only;)

then that way they wouldn't need to be rude to people not knowing they were in the wrong area ........Heaven forbid :angel:
Well it was the same atitude last year and the year befor

maybe they are better than the rest of us landy owners cause we dont belong to their special little out fit
dont get me wrong my father was a founding member of the lrocv and he left for a similar reason

and if needed i could name a few founding members to back up my info
and one of them is still a memeber and i know him quite well
he has been a close friend of my family longer than i can remember:angel:

[hiline]

Well it was the same atitude last year and the year befor

maybe they are better than the rest of us landy owners cause we dont belong to their special little out fit
dont get me wrong my father was a founding member of the lrocv and he left for a similar reason

and if needed i could name a few founding members to back up my info
and one of them is still a member and i know him quite well
he has been a close friend of my family longer than i can remember:angel:


please rangieman dont my posts wrong in what i'm saying.........

i am not bagging the LROCV club as a club

i'm just stating why these said members were so rude to the general public who got the tents wrong:angel:

reason being they were hot :o

[Bytemrk]

Originally Posted by rangieman https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/08/768.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=504372#post504372)
Well it was the same atitude last year and the year befor

maybe they are better than the rest of us landy owners cause we dont belong to their special little out fit
dont get me wrong my father was a founding member of the lrocv and he left for a similar reason

and if needed i could name a few founding members to back up my info
and one of them is still a member and i know him quite well
he has been a close friend of my family longer than i can remember:angel:






please rangieman dont my posts wrong in what i'm saying.........

i am not bagging the LROCV club as a club

i'm just stating why these said members were so rude to the general public who got the tents wrong:angel:

reason being they were hot :o

Guy's I'm not trying to defend what someone did.. or did not do..:(

I'm just trying to make it better for next time...

The past is the past... I can't change it....

But I can try and help make it better next time... if you blokes will give me a chance..:mad:

Can't we just get on with what we are a lot better at...

Chatting about Land Rovers...:burnrubber::burnrubber:

Mark

[hiline]

if you blokes will give me a chance

:no2: :no2: nope ;)

[mns488]

thanks mate :D

but i really find this hard to believe that club members are so rude to a simple mistake of tents:twisted: :twisted:


and the guy's on here blaming the heat and the wrong tent :angel:


now i think it was you who approached me in the street out of the blue ??
asking a smartbottom question about putting fires out:D


now that was a hot day :eek:
and ended up chatting for 30mins or so

that wasn't even a show driven drive for new members either;)

huh, i asked what now? of who now?

not me, we haven't met in the real world so to speak.

[hiline]

huh, i asked what now? of who now?

not me, we haven't met in the real world so to speak.


:angel: :angel: oh silly me ;)

[mns488]

:angel: :angel: oh silly me ;)

Um, whats a smartbottom question?:angel:

or is that question one of them?:D

[hiline]

Um, whats a smartbottom question?:angel:

or is that question one of them?:D

i guy that came up to me in the street asked me if i'd put the fire out properly
instead of saying smartarse as it wouldn't show up i put smartbottom;)


that was the week the big fires started in the High Country:angel:
and the week after our NE Meet up

[953]

Hi Ray,
Sorry about the smartbottom remark, but as i said b4 the look on your face was priceless:eek: Am hoping to also get along 2 the forthcoming Toolangi tripbut am having clutch probs at the moment,hopefully fixed by then so u will have a chance 2 even the score:D
Cheers Dean.

[hiline]

Hi Ray,
Sorry about the smartbottom remark, but as i said b4 the look on your face was priceless:eek: Am hoping to also get along 2 the forthcoming Toolangi tripbut am having clutch probs at the moment,hopefully fixed by then so u will have a chance 2 even the score:D
Cheers Dean.


i hope i wasn't rude being so hot ;)

look forward to catching up again:D

[grumpybastard]

i received a chq from LROCV last week, thanks for highlighting this issue Bytemrk with the club

I think i will put the money towards becoming a member, one good turn deserves another.....

[Bytemrk]

Glad to help Matt ;)

Mark