Mounting Bilstien shocks

[walker]

Can Bilstiens be mounted up-side down?

If you did mount them upside down do you think it would protect them more?

I was also thinking of putting some of that refigeration pipe foam around the shock to protect it, but was worried it might not allow the heat to escape. What do you think?

[DeeJay]

I'm no real expert but are'nt they valved to work the "proper" way.
Would'nt water get squished out or collect in the base and cause corrosion when not used for a while?
First thoughts anyway:)

[walker]

???? No idea.

I do know that Edelbrocks MUST be mounted upside down and I had heard somewhere that all mono-shocks can be inverted but I was not sure on this.

[PhilipA]

Why not ask the retailer or distributor?
In cases like this they will know better than this forum.

Regards Philip A

[dmdigital]

Why not ask the retailer or distributor?
In cases like this they will know better than this forum.

Regards Philip A

Not always true. Sometimes they will only know what is in the sales brochure or how much they cost.



I think you would need to have shocks without dust shields. Corrosion would be the biggest issue if the valving allowed you to mount them upside down unless you could remove the dust shield.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

if you remove the dust shield....then dust would eat away at the top seal in no time......
resulting in leaking shocks......



why not just fit some shields that can be bought for this purpose.......?

[PhilipA]

Not always true. Sometimes they will only know what is in the sales brochure or how much they cost.


Yes sure , but in the Bilstein case the Aussie distributors rebuild etc and should know their stuff..
I had a look on both the USA site and Europe site and it doesn't say.
BUT Bilstein do make several ranges of inverted shocks.

Regards Philip A

[Slunnie]

Its common for Bilsteins to be mounted upsidedown without problems. Its a side benefit of monotube construction with seperated gas.

[walker]

Simon, you said you run 2x shields on yours....what do you mean by 2x?

[dobbo]

Just out of interest what advantage is there of mounting them this way?

[Slunnie]

Simon, you said you run 2x shields on yours....what do you mean by 2x?
Gday Adam, just that I have 2 shields on each shock. Bilsteins sheilds only cover half of the shock (probably really only 1/3), so I run 2 of them to cover more of the shock. I'n the pic you can just see the gap between the 2.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2009/02/847.jpg

[Slunnie]

Just out of interest what advantage is there of mounting them this way?
It's usually done for fitting reasons, eg, I think the LC shocks when fitted to rovers go in upside down so that the rings match and the pins match. Also, if the shock has a remote canister etc, then the body goes up on most (I think Fox mount their canister to the shock body) to miniise movement between the canister and the shock. You can also run the 7100/6100's Bilsteins (Buggy type) upside down also as the mount on the shaft can be spun off and replaced with a mount to suit D2 fronts unlike the mount on the shock body which has to be cut off and a new one welded back on.

[walker]

Where did you get the shields from and how much were they?

[Slunnie]

I got them from Heasmans in Sydney (Sydney Shocks, Bilstein) and the price just depended on who served me on the day, but they're about $20ea.

[1103.9TDI]

Great idea, I've lost two Bilstein rears, one was punctured right through!. All I'm planning on doing, is fastening some padding to the leading edge, with wire ties....we'll see how it goes......

[walker]

I was thinking of doing this with refigeration pipe insulation. But then I thought if the rock is big enough to dint the body of the shock then a bit of soft insulation probably wont do much.

If I can find a bit of scrap pipe with an inside diameter the same as the outside diameter of the shock then it would be perfect. Just cut it down the middle and tie it to the fron to the shock.

[1103.9TDI]

I have two a side on the rear. I was concerned that heat was an issue, so I decided, fitting some sort of pipe over the metal shock body, may not be the best. The kind of padding I'm looking at, is something like thick concrete expansion joint; a touch of silastic, to stop it from sliding, and two or three large wire ties to hold it in place....

[DEFENDERZOOK]

if a stone hits the shield it will dent it and the shock at the same time......

there should be some sort of gap between the shield and the shock.....this would give the shield space to slow down the stone and reduce impact.....


know anything about an elastic collision......you may have covered it in a science class......



i would put something between the shield and shock such as a few stips of rubber or plastic.....or even wood....just to space the shield off the shock a bit.......

[walker]

I would have thought the same thing.......so why doesn't bilstein do this with their own sheild?

Then again, Slunnie has had his for a while and never had a problem.

[tombraider]

There is a shock guard that spaces away from the shock body.

I think Heasmans now sell it.

[HangOver]

Wouldn't a piece of pipe insulation and a section of steel pipe cut lengthways hose-clipped in place do the job?
I imagine you only need to protect the front edge.

I have billy's on and it never crossed my mind before

[Slunnie]

if a stone hits the shield it will dent it and the shock at the same time......

there should be some sort of gap between the shield and the shock.....this would give the shield space to slow down the stone and reduce impact.....


know anything about an elastic collision......you may have covered it in a science class......



i would put something between the shield and shock such as a few stips of rubber or plastic.....or even wood....just to space the shield off the shock a bit.......
True, but at least its twice as resistant to dent now as it will need to force both the shield and the shock body to dent. If there is a gap the deformation in the shield would dissipate a lot of the impact energy though.

[Redback]

I'm going to put a bit of 50mm poly pipe between the guard and the shock so the poly pipe should absorb the impact if a large rock hits the shock.

Well that's my theory anyway:angel:

Can't hurt:D

I'm putting my rear Bilsteins back on, cause these Pro Comps aren't doing the job with my lift, i might get the Rovertym adaptors for the front too and get the front Billies as well, as the front Pro Comps are bottoming out, i think the extented bumpstops from East Coast Rover are going in too.

Baz.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

finding new limits again Baz?:eek:

[Tusker]

I would have thought the same thing.......so why doesn't bilstein do this with their own sheild?

Then again, Slunnie has had his for a while and never had a problem.

In practice its rarely a problem. Yes you hear of it occasionally, as posted here, on the other hand the billies on my current car, & the last, never had a problem. Got about 200,000 km out of the last set.

I can clearly recall a boys weekend a couple of years ago- 3,800 kms in 4 days, nealy all dirt around the corner country. 3 Defenders, all bilstein shod, no problems.

A decent rock will take out any shock, with or without protection. Thats what spares are for. I wouldn't get too carried away with shields.

Regards
Max P

[Redback]

finding new limits again Baz?:eek:

Yes unfortunately, i don't think there long enough in the travel and closing lengths, even though they said they were.

Max i have to agree as i've done alot of desert travel on my last 2 sets of Bilsteins with no damage, (first set were to short) but i figured it can't hurt so why not, it doesn't take long to fit.

Baz.

[Tusker]

Yes unfortunately, i don't think there long enough in the travel and closing lengths, even though they said they were.

Max i have to agree as i've done alot of desert travel on my last 2 sets of Bilsteins with no damage, (first set were to short) but i figured it can't hurt so why not, it doesn't take long to fit.

Baz.

Performance does drop off with any shock if they get too hot though, billies included.

Regards
Max p

[Pedro_The_Swift]

hey Baz!

do those new billys have a part number you wish to share?:angel:

or is there extra work needed before that stage.

[Redback]

hey Baz!

do those new billys have a part number you wish to share?:angel:

or is there extra work needed before that stage.

Just ask for the 6100 Bilsteins for the D2, Bilstein make them for D2s.

Long travel if you have a lift aspecially on the front, or standards if not.

Rears are eye to eye, and fronts are eye to eye with a crosspin.

Baz.

[Slunnie]

Baz, how have they been setup? Do they still have the rose joints or did they change them to rubber joints? Are the revalved etc???

[Redback]

Baz, how have they been setup? Do they still have the rose joints or did they change them to rubber joints? Are the revalved etc???

Sending a PM.