td5 oil change

[fatcat]

hi all im wanting to change my oil do i need to replace oil fillter it been 5000klm and i have done this for some of my older cars but never a diesel. is it as easy as undoing the bolt and let it drain and then swop the filter over replace the bolt and top up any tips would be great.

thanks .

p.s i live in bris what sort of oil should i put in cheers

[ladas]

If you are changing the oil - you should change the filter - otherwise you'll just be putting muck back into your new oil.

It is the same procedure drain the sump, remove filter, smear a little new engine oil on the sealing ring on the new filter, fit new filter, fill with new oil.

There is a big choice of oils, get the best one that meets the specs that you can afford.

An extra $50.00 on oil is cheaper that $5k for a new engine.

[Slunnie]

No don't. Just change the filter at the prescribed intervals, though do change the oil if thats what you wish.

The filters are not at their best when new, but they improve with a little age. The filtered material that gets caught reduces the filtered particel size. Same with the centrifuge as its a waste of money. Its filtering capability is not reduced as it fills.

This is what the filtering guru on Outerlimits has said anyway.

[ladas]

No don't. Just change the filter at the prescribed intervals, though do change the oil if thats what you wish.

The filters are not at their best when new, but they improve with a little age. The filtered material that gets caught reduces the filtered particel size. Same with the centrifuge as its a waste of money. Its filtering capability is not reduced as it fills.

This is what the filtering guru on Outerlimits has said anyway.

Might agree with that on air filters, but not oil. There is no way oil filters improve with age.

[Graeme]

LR and many others advise to drain then refill the oil then change the filter, to prevent oil lines from being drained and having no oil pressure for longer when restarting. This is especially important for a diesel engine.

[Graeme]

Might agree with that on air filters, but not oil. There is no way oil filters improve with age.

The paper filter is recommended to be changed only at 60k and the centrifugal one at 20k along with the oil. Note that the centrifugal one does not filter the oil, it only collects particles, it doesn't clog like a paper filter but eventually overflows. I change my oil and centrifugal filter at 10k and the paper filter at 30k, just because 20k/60k feels too long, although I wouldn't be surprised if I'm overservicing.

[crump]

hi all im wanting to change my oil do i need to replace oil fillter it been 5000klm and i have done this for some of my older cars but never a diesel. is it as easy as undoing the bolt and let it drain and then swop the filter over replace the bolt and top up any tips would be great.

thanks .

p.s i live in bris what sort of oil should i put in cheers

check out this link, everything you want to know and more.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=33464

[fatcat]

thanks guys but gee now im more confussed i thought it was meant to be done ever 5000ks is there more than 1 oil filter

[crump]

you have the paper element filter on the passenger side of the block,(the white one) and in front of that is a round silver thing with two 10mm bolts holding its lid on, that is the oil centrifuge, inside that is another element.Its up to you if you replace both at every change, but at the price of TD5 motors its cheap insurance.Have you done your fuel filter as well??
Just do it every 5000kms, and play safe.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Fatcat
You should be running synthetic oils in the TD5,not designed for mineral oils.Synthetics actually work out cheaper as the service intervals are greately extended.Pretty sure Landrover say 20000ks for the oil,dont think I would go past 10000ks in mine.
My TD5 has 215000ks on it,synthetic oil since new,the oil stays clean between changes,not BLACK like normal diesel oil.
Andrew

[Slunnie]

Might agree with that on air filters, but not oil. There is no way oil filters improve with age.
Hmmm, found on Outer the same as the comment re the centrifuge and the air filter, but not the oil filter. Now I don't know where that is.

Why is the oil filter different to the air filter in terms of filtering if the media is the same?

[ladas]

Hmmm, found on Outer the same as the comment re the centrifuge and the air filter, but not the oil filter. Now I don't know where that is.

Why is the oil filter different to the air filter in terms of filtering if the media is the same?

Basically because the air filter media is dealing with 'new' supply each time, new air - new dust, and when they get to a certain level they reach total effeciancy - whereas with an oil filter they are recirculating the 'same old' - oil being recycled over and over again, collecting carbon build - up sludge - burnt oil, they get clogged and more clogged over time - finally causing oil starvation over time - and more seroius - stratification / distillation - where oil thins to a point where it fails to be an effective lubricant. They can in worst case senarios break down due to the pure weight of contaminants - and all of a sudden an oil journel or a big end bearing is hit with a big LUMP of solids, oil residues, maybe even swarf and mixed with broken down filter media. Blocks oil journels, roots bearings.........should I go on.

Air filters when new let too much 'stuff' through when new if you were really critical, and when they start to become dust/dirt bound they reduce the amount of ***** that goes through to the engine. Delicate balance between full efficiency and too clean and too dirty.............however when they get too dirty you normally know - missing, running rich etc..

A blocked/clogged oil filter won't say anything ------ until it's tooooooo late

'Scuse me do you hav $5.5 k for a new engine '

An oil filter is $20 - $30 - why would you risk your engine for that. My opinion - it just isn't worth the risk.

[Slunnie]

That all sounds pretty solid to me, but we're talking about changing oil filters at prior to service intervals in comparison to service intervals.

[ladas]

That all sounds pretty solid to me, but we're talking about changing oil filters at prior to service intervals in comparison to service intervals.


Yes but if you are changing oils prior to service intervals - then you should also change the filter.

If you do not remove the filter when you change the oil you will have about 1 ltr of the old oil in the system.

You add 5 ltrs of brand spanking new expensive engine oil that you know is good, and then by not removing/replacing the filter you contaminate your new oil by 20% by leaving the old, dirty stuff in there.

Fine if you want to leave the oil in to follow the dates for change - be it 10, 20 k or whatever..........but some people prefer to change at 5k - which is fine, but why bugger it up by leaving up to 20% of the old stuff in there.

If you are going to change the oil change all of it, and to get almost all of it out you need to remove the filter and the 1 ltr of oil that is in there. So why put a dirty filter ack on.

Not wanting to seem ..eerrrmmm hard line ...............but if you don;t change the oil filter you are only doing half the job.

The centrifuge is slighty different - that should be changed as and when it is dirty. ...however you'll find by changing oil and main oil filter the need to replace the paper filters in the centrifuge could be reduced.

[Slunnie]

Cool, that sounds sensible. Thanks for this Ladas, my thoughts have just been revised.

[td5110]

A blocked/clogged oil filter won't say anything ------ until it's tooooooo late

'Scuse me do you hav $5.5 k for a new engine '

An oil filter is $20 - $30 - why would you risk your engine for that. My opinion - it just isn't worth the risk.

Sorry to run this thread off on a tangent, but I have seen several references now to the cost of replacement Td5 engines, one of which was, from memory (can't find the post) in the region of $18500. This is a scary number.:( Just how much is a new motor?

[fatcat]

thanks guys i gues i will be changing the filter. how much would u think i should spend and should i just get the filter from the landy place i get it suerviced. what money would i pay roughly so i can organize that as well cheers chaps.

[ladas]

thanks guys i gues i will be changing the filter. how much would u think i should spend and should i just get the filter from the landy place i get it suerviced. what money would i pay roughly so i can organize that as well cheers chaps.

The oil filter is about $30.00, the Rotor filter about $35.00

[BigJon]

Sorry to run this thread off on a tangent, but I have seen several references now to the cost of replacement Td5 engines, one of which was, from memory (can't find the post) in the region of $18500. This is a scary number.:( Just how much is a new motor?

Just checked my price list, $17 379.30 :eek: .