2wd Rangie classic

[RRV80]

As above, have been doing some reaserch into some avm front hubs but so far havnt found anything for the classic, i can find the hubs and conversion kits for all the defenders, 10 spline 87 on, 24 spline 94 on etc, but i want to convert a 93 rangie classic to 2wd can i do this?

[loanrangie]

Why ? Absolutely pointless. I read somewhere that they compared fulltime 4wd and part time 4wd vehicles and there is no advantage to a part time conversion.

[ladas]

As above, have been doing some reaserch into some avm front hubs but so far havnt found anything for the classic, i can find the hubs and conversion kits for all the defenders, 10 spline 87 on, 24 spline 94 on etc, but i want to convert a 93 rangie classic to 2wd can i do this?

Just remove one of the prop shafts - hey presto 2wd, but WHY would you want to

[RRV80]

um well yeah i could remove a shaft but then i have to put it back in when i want to go off road, i guess the main reason i want to is becasue a few things we do with our 4wds needs rwd, yeah it illegal on the roads so have a guess, but NM, ill proabably just end up getting a gq shorty to do that.

[p38arover]

There's a 4WD supplier in Adelaide that do a conversion for a Disco. Might fit a RRC.

They advertise often in A4WDM

.... ah, here we are... http://www.4wdsystems.com.au/html/part_time_4wd.htm\

Ron

[rovercare]

I ran mine for years with 2WD although I had a G60 transfer case and an LSD 9" in the rear, It was lots of fun, but the advantages of the constant 4wd made me change back to a rover tranfer case, also stop me being as much of a loony on the road and in the bush(fast stuff):D

You can weld the centre diff, I also have adaptors to suit landcruiser hubs someone gave me, altough they need to be fitted with later CV's so you get the spline into the hub, I personally wouldn't do it as it reduces handling and braking somewhat, although I could keep up with all but the best in 2WD in the fast stuff and when it got to much i'd slip it into 4WD, whereas you'd already have CDL engaged;)

If you only have stock diffs and axles, you'd be a moron to do the conversion, the extra load would demolish the standard rover crap, unless you were sensible, but then that's defeating the purpose:eek:

[DarrenR]

Depending upon the cost of the kit (which I'm going to guess is not cheap) I am very doubtful of the supposed benefits of such a conversion as listed on 4WD Systems website. (Unless of course you are a hoon that needs to get the rear wheels smokin, then it's perfectly understandable).

I'd be mildly interested to know if 80 & 100 series Cruisers suffer the same *clunk* *clunk* drive train backlash like the old Range Rover did. I was in a new 100 series auto about 12 months back and did notice it seemed to have inherited a similar body roll to a 78 Range Rover, I could appreciate the irony of it.

Best regards
DarrenR

[rovercare]

Depending upon the cost of the kit (which I'm going to guess is not cheap) I am very doubtful of the supposed benefits of such a conversion as listed on 4WD Systems website. (Unless of course you are a hoon that needs to get the rear wheels smokin, then it's perfectly understandable).

I'd be mildly interested to know if 80 & 100 series Cruisers suffer the same *clunk* *clunk* drive train backlash like the old Range Rover did. I was in a new 100 series auto about 12 months back and did notice it seemed to have inherited a similar body roll to a 78 Range Rover, I could appreciate the irony of it.

Best regards
DarrenR

They sure do suffer the same, not a common rover thing:o its a common constant 4WD thing;)

[owoodland]

They sure do suffer the same, not a common rover thing:o its a common constant 4WD thing;)

Yeah but if any of you guys have driven the new generation stuff (at least the Disco) they have solved the problem, no clunks between gears now. I assume it has something to do with the computer or engine control rather than any improvement in the metal components because the driveline slack is still there, it's just controlled.

[p38arover]

I've never felt shunting in my P38A but it was common in my '83 manual RR, less so in my '86 auto RR.

Ron

[DarrenR]

Interesting that Cruisers have developed something that was always criticised by 4WDrive mags in early Rangies.

My own 97 manual Disco is by far the smoothest clunk free Rover I've ever driven. I had the good woman drive it last weekend and it still drove relatively well, even with her just about side stepping the clutch. Once I suggested she release the clutch a tad slower it was back to being smooth.

And if my memory serves me, the army 110's, although chunky through the gears, rattly and noisy, they did seem to be clunk free when compared to the 78 Rangie or the 110 County. (but they were also brand spanking new).

Best regards
DarrenR

[DarrenR]

Putting the thread back on topic though :p has anyone done one of these "conversions" to a Rover or Toyota, reason? cost? results?

Best regards
DarrenR

[BigJon]

They sure do suffer the same, not a common rover thing:o its a common constant 4WD thing;)

Ever driven a Subaru? Constant all wheel drive, no driveline clunks.

[DarrenR]

I'm sure when rovercare said "a common constant 4wd thing" it was directed towards 2 ton or more of 4WD truck and not a car that all wheels happen to drive.

Best regards
DarrenR

[rovercare]

I'm sure when rovercare said "a common constant 4wd thing" it was directed towards 2 ton or more of 4WD truck and not a car that all wheels happen to drive.

Best regards
DarrenR

Anyhting with a conventional centre differential;)

Cross pins and spider gears and side(well for and aft) gears

[MacMan]

Constant all wheel drive, no driveline clunks.

Actually, no. Subarus are front wheel drive with the rears kicking in when slip at the front end occurs.

[RRV80]

so what your all saying is i should buy a gq instead for my type of thing as rwd i kinda need/want.

[rovercare]

so what your all saying is i should buy a gq instead for my type of thing as rwd i kinda need/want.

Yep, great LSD and bulletproof:o

[George130]

Na. Just drop the front propshaft and carry it in the back. When you want 4wd bolt it back in:)

[mcrover]

I still dont get where there would be a need to not have the constant 4wd of the type that the RR (and all landrovers up until recent times) have.

Given that the RR was built to be driven as all wheel drive/4wd so some times It can make handling interesting at the least, I know with the Disco when I bent the front shaft and removed it to drive back from Merrijig it was very unpredictable on long corners and over bumps but If you could drive around these problems good for you but I think you'd be etter off with a Pootrol of Cruiser.

As far as drive line clunks, My disco is just starting to get one that I think is backlash on the centre diff after 285000km's. Doesnt worry me too much at the moment but annoys Mrs Mcrover some times in traffic but I have to do seals in the TF case one day soon so I might throw some new gears in at the same time as some new bearings.

[mcrover]

Also My Mums Pretendo has driveline clunk after 120000km as well as many other problems.

[DarrenR]

so what your all saying is i should buy a gq instead for my type of thing as rwd i kinda need/want.

Well going by your comment of "a few things we do with our 4wds needs rwd, yeah it illegal on the roads so have a guess" if its being a yobbish hoon then yes the drive train on a GQ Patrol is pretty tough to begin with.

Keep in mind though tough doesn't mean unbreakable...

Best regards
DarrenR

[PhilipA]

The reason that Rover put constant 4WD in the Range Rover is that the rear axle could not handle heavy towing by itself.
They did not want to go to a salisbury due to the extra weight etc.
So if you do it , do not tow .

My 92 Classic has no clunks. Its the Gear driven tranfer in a pre 89 that gives all the backlash. 89 (3.9) onwards Range Rovers including 38A have chain drive transfers.
As far as Discos fixing backlash, a guy at my old work had a 2000 in which he had about 3 transfer rebuilds paid for by Rover to try and cure backlash.
Regards Philip A

[DarrenR]

When I was questioning if the Cruisers had a similar *clunk* *clunk* in reference to Range Rovers it was directed at mid 80s or earlier manuals. You could always tell a new RR driver by the way it clunked between gear shifts.

Best regards
DarrenR

[djam1]

The reason Rover put full time transmission in the Range Rover was nothing to do with the diffs although I agree with your statement about towing with a 2x4 Range Rover. Could you imagine towing with a v8 powered series 2a Land Rover using the Rover diff dumb idea.
Rover used the full time 4x4 transmission because thats what they designed for the 101
To quote Frank Shaw the transmission designer
"The problem was, we had two
vehicles but we could only have one gearbox.
We'd got the money to build one gearbox.
Tommy Barton and Pogmore persuaded me
to make the gearbox suitable for the FC, and
it was really too big for the Range Rover.
It didn't really matter very much, but
unfortunately I never did get that
gearchange right. It was too big, too much
inertia, and with a vehicle like the Range
Rover you drive it like a car. People want to
slip down into second without any trouble at
all. In the Forward Control it didn't matter,
but in the Range Rover it did."

Funny how it took Toyota more than 20 years to catch up.

[PhilipA]

Yes, I know, but the LT95 could have been made 2wd.
You may recall that early Range Rovers were different to 101s in that they had a limited slip diff in them, so the transfer was different in detail anyway.
I recall reading in yet another Pom magazine , in an interview with one of the Range Rover development engineers the further reason was as I said. The Salisbury was seen to be too big and noisy and weighed too much to have good ride.
Regards Philip A

[djam1]

Yea Phillip that is true
I wonder if a Salisbury is actually noisier than a Rover Diff?

Duane

[lokka]

This is a good point guys as im thinking of puting a sals in the rear of my rangie and i dont think the extra weight or noise would be a hassle ....

As for 2wd rangies ive driven my 84 with either end drive 3 weeks in front wheel drive as a daily driver it was not to bad but i could light up the front right with too much right foot runin 31x10 not good for diffs and 1 week in rear wheel drive and it was verry unpredictable and not nice to drive at all and was hard to keep in a straight line and didnt drift verry well at all was to easy to over correct and get crossed up but was sorta fun and sorta scary :D:D

Cheers

chris