why you need proper recovery points.

[crump]

http://video.google.com/videoplay'docid=8706033126307253200

:D :D :D

[MickG]

Well.........they didn't want to get their nice shoes wet did they........lazy #$%:eek: :eek: Everyone very lucky to avoid injury!!

Aye, Mick

[x-box]

Need we say more???? pictures say it all :eek:

[chunk]

Very dangerous, but also very funny.

[MacMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=066FRak8qP4

Try this one!

[spudboy]

Ahh - the look on that guy's face! That made me laugh.

[Quiggers]

Judging by the clothing I suspect it may be very cold.

I think they achieved their objective perfectly, recovered the only decent part of the vehicle.:twisted:

That was clever, not; poor old white Tojo sinking into the sand...

GQ

[Phoenix]

Talk about lucky that the water slowed the bar down!!

[Wazza]

Any idea where u would attach rated recovery points on a TDI defender.

I have a TJM Winch bar and cant see where to bolt on a recovery hook?

I am probably wrong but if the bar is strong enough to pull the car out with the winch wouldn't it be strong enough to have another car pull it out?



Sorry for the hijack.

[Utemad]

If that was an ARB bar and given that the recovery hooks are bolted to the bar I'd say that regardless of where the snatch was attached I'd say the bar was always going to come off.

Also the LHS of the bar appeared to be clear of the water so I'm guessing there wasn't a hook on that side given the amount of trouble they had attaching it to something.

[Outlaw]

Worse thing really is that there's around 20 or 30 people standing around and a heap of 4wd's and no one else piped up and said anything... they all stood back, watched & laughed.

Problem with this recovery Wazza is they attached near the top of the bar... not from the recovery holes underneath the bar inline with the cassis rail.

Will let you know tomorrow hopefully as to how your bar is rated for recovery as making some calls today to arb/tjm to try and get some answers.

[Phoenix]

On the defender I think there is a couple of holes you can use to bolt a hook to the side of the chassis (Using high tensile bolts of course).

I have seen a bull bar with a winch bend towards me while winching, turned out it had snapped a bolt on one side. I'd say this is the case here, didn't have high tensile bolts, and didn't have enough of them, that or the bar was rusty or cracked.

[Wazza]

Just went out and crawled around under the car.

The winch bar uses every available hole i could see on the chassis at the front. both on top and on the side of the chassis.

So do you attach the hook to bolts already being use for the winch bar?

Wazza



PS wow i have reached 100 posts

[barryj]

http://video.google.com/videoplay'docid=8706033126307253200

:D :D :D

Eli Creek on Fraser?

The goose did not want to get his feet wet!

[Outlaw]

Yep the hooks usually attach alongside the bar... just probably need longer bolts to get through the extra device

[Phoenix]

Eli Creek on Fraser?

The goose did not want to get his feet wet!

I don't think so, they aren't speaking english!

[barryj]

I don't think so, they aren't speaking english!

Maybe I should play video clips with the sound on :blush:.

Sometimes I am just too lazy to reach down and turn the amp on!

[Quiggers]

I don't think so, they aren't speaking english!

Ha! Some people on Fraser don't speak English, either, more like Swahili:twisted:


GQ

[incisor]

I don't think so, they aren't speaking english!
nor do 80% of the people at eli most of the time :p

[hiline]

Ha! Some people on Fraser don't speak English, either, more like Swahili:twisted:


GQ


i have the same problem after a few sherbs :angel: ;)

[crump]

Any idea where u would attach rated recovery points on a TDI defender.

I have a TJM Winch bar and cant see where to bolt on a recovery hook?

I am probably wrong but if the bar is strong enough to pull the car out with the winch wouldn't it be strong enough to have another car pull it out?



Sorry for the hijack.

some pics here of mine, there should be one hole in the end of the chassis rail, you just need to drill another.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=27782&page=3&highlight=recovery+hooks

[dungarover]

What a pack of dickheads. This is why I hate mixed 4WD clubs, too many idiots and like others mentioned, not one assisted or offerd any sort of advice.

I can see why some people don't like 4WD clubs with clowns like that involved :mad: :mad: :mad:

Trav

[cartm58]

there's nice you tube showing guys retrieving a car from a snow bank being pulled out by a SUV ute somewhere in North USA, the truck takes off and pulls the backbummper bar and panels off the car.

people have no understanding of the forces at work when recovering stuck vehicles from sand mud snow.

[Rovernaut]

Now if he was smart and bought a Land Rover in the first place then he wouldn't have been in that predicament, he would have crossed the water crossing without getting bogged.:D:D:D:D:D:D

[BigJon]

I have just had a second longer look at this video. There appears to be about 3 seconds of hard acceleration from the Nissan doing the snatching. IMO this is way too much force to put through ANY recovery point, let alone the bullbar (as it appears they have done).

They should have thought about the situation a bit more before attempting that extremely dangerous "technique".

I would be interested to see if they did eventually recover the Land Cruiser and what method they used. Multiple vehicles as an anchor point for a winch recovery may have worked. It looks very stuck to me:p .

[MickS]

http://video.google.com/videoplay'docid=8706033126307253200

:D :D :D

Straight out of a Russell Coight video. Dickheads.

[JohnE]

Holy Hell, this has got to be the absolute worst bit of recovery video I have ever seen, how the bloody bull bar never ended up in the back of the ute is beyond me, let alone flay sideways and take out a few heads. if this is a group of experienced off roaders heaven help us, nobody said no don't put in on the bull bar.
I wonder what the bloke would do, if he came across a river crossing, ooo too cold can't walk it first.

Morons, the lot of them with a capital M
your right mick straight out of russell coight.


john

[duff]

some pics here of mine, there should be one hole in the end of the chassis rail, you just need to drill another.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=27782&page=3&highlight=recovery+hooks


Keep in mind a standard bull bar does not have the winch cradle that spreads the load further back along the chassis. Normally the standard bull bar is attached in a similar way to the standard bumper bar. Winch bars are normally differant,, much more securely affixed to the chassis rails.

And the recovery holes on the bottom of most ARB bars are for on road recovery,, eg to clear a highway etc. They are not for heavy recovery, let alone something close to a snatch off road

[duff]

Maybe I should play video clips with the sound on :blush:.

Sometimes I am just too lazy to reach down and turn the amp on!


And they are a left hand drive toyo,s:p

[Loaded]

LOL HA dose not surprise me at all after driving down one of our busyest Highways for the last 6 weeks it is becoming constant that the worst 4WD owners and drivers are Toyota drivers. :p Klugars and Prados are the top of the crap driving awards.
They do not have any patience do silly manovers and cut in front of people where there is no room to do so. Pita full.

[leeds]

Just went out and crawled around under the car.

The winch bar uses every available hole i could see on the chassis at the front. both on top and on the side of the chassis.

So do you attach the hook to bolts already being use for the winch bar?

Wazza



PS wow i have reached 100 posts


About 10 " back from the standard bumper on the two main chassis legs there is normally a towing eye attached. This is NOT a recovery eye. This towing eye can be removed and replaced with a JATE ring which is a recovery point.

The winch bumpers sold in the UK normally have recovery eyes built into them.

It is possible to get steering guards with built in recovery eyes.

Regards


Leeds

[waynep]

Scusa me but how do you tell hi tensile bolts from standard ones ?

The ones mounting my bullbar to the chassis have three lines like a "Y" and "BY" stamped on the end.
(oh and its not a crack above the bolt only dirt - I was concerned about that too when I saw it.)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/04/184.jpg

[MickG]

Scusa me but how do you tell hi tensile bolts from standard ones ?

The ones mounting my bullbar to the chassis have three lines like a "Y" and "BY" stamped on the end.

My guess is you have high tensile bolts as they actually have a markings on the end (someone else i'm sure will confirm what each marking means). As I understand it, the non high tensile bolts have nothing on the end at all.

Hope this helps but I would seek confirmation of this to be sure.

Aye, Mick

[Ace]

Thats pretty funny, stupid idiots, i wasnt expecting the bull bar to come off i was expecting the towball on then recovery vehicle to come flying off or something, they both did stupid things, all because they didnt want to get their feet wet, morons. Matt

[Mick-Kelly]

at the 49 second mark something that looks suspisciously like a red softop 90 drives around the pack of fools and heads slowly up the beach. :p

[chazza]

Scusa me but how do you tell hi tensile bolts from standard ones ?



The bolts you have are high tensile; the three radiating lines indicate this. Six radiating lines indicate Grade 8 high tensile, which are stronger still. I don't have a reference book with me now, but Brian Hejlm will know more than I do,
cheers Chazza

[Blknight.aus]

depending on your POV of high tensile. in my airforce world our numbers are a bitt different

the 3 bars on the face indicate 2 things

1. its an imperial bolt
2. Its a medium tensile bolt which is suitable for any bolt not specifying a required hardness

These are the only bolts i can use for anything that needs an imperial bolt If it says high tensile or specifies a tensile strenght It will wind up with 5,6 or 7 of the bars.

Metric bolts will typically have M8.8 (example only)

from memory this stands for Metric8mm.grade8

[DiscoDave]

This link could be useful:
http://www.kjbolt.com.au/technical_info_03.html

[DiscoDave]

at the 49 second mark something that looks suspisciously like a red softop 90 drives around the pack of fools and heads slowly up the beach. :p

At around 35 seconds a white 110 does the same!