2007my Defender in the flesh

[sniegy]

Afternoon all,
Was on a course for the Last 3 days in Syd (Freelander2) & while there asked our trainer if they had the new Defender here as of yet..Yes:)
They had one that was tucked away in the dungeon car park.
So we went & had a look;) , the first thing that stood out for me was the lack of vent on the front firewall below the windscreen as they are not there & there is just a indented panel that is obviously sealed & painted.
Then there is the bulge in the bonnet, looks neat, can see lots of TDi/TD5 owners wanting these;) . The new dash is sensational, funny though it makes the windsceen look even smaller even though it isnt, the seats look so comfy & even the 2nd/3rd row variants look very nice with head rests, this was a UK spec vehiclle & completly carpeted & sunroof.
Didnt get to see the transmission or engine as we didnt have keys:mad:

The best thing was we saw a video on the new Def pulling a 12tonne truck. The new Defender has a new function called anti-stall.
It operates in low range & works sensationally, There was a guy in the vid, one of the engineers who starts the 90 while in gear & while no-one in the drivers seat the little beast starts to pull the 12tonne truck away with ease, then while this is happening there is a guy in the truck who starts to apply the brake. This is all done on a large clean white pebbled area, when the truck starts to slow to a stop u can see the 90 do its magic, it kinda bogs down trying to grip something doing its traction control dance in the pebbles & doenst stall, just tries to pull away with the truck.
You can even start the Def while in low & ease up a hill letting the foot off the clutch & it will walk away slowly, sort of like winding the diesel throttle on to a point.
I think(i should of asked) it will time out & then stall but not sure.

The new Def looks all the same from the outside apart from a few small differences, but inside a lot of people will like the new layout..me for one,
It looks so different from all the previous variants even with all the subtle changes to the top of the dash area, this is huge & hopefully will please a lot of new buyers.:)

[Defender=1st]

Thanks for the update mate. Sounds Bloody Good. is this feature electronical or mechanical ??

[Grizzly_Adams]

I think you'll find it's electromechanical :o

It's electronics doing funny stuff with the gearbox...

When I visited Solihull in 2005 the instructor there was telling me about the anti-stall in the TD5 we went around the grounds in, never heard of it over here though...

[Ken]

Thats it I want one :angel:

[hiline]

where's the bloody pics :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Richard]

i second this notion!!

this thread is useless without pics lol

[barney]

sorry to say that Jeep has an anti stall device on the wrangler, and has had for a couple of years. you can approach an obstacle and as the engine is loaded up, the computer squirts somemore juice into the engine and it keeps it going.
at the syd 4wd show last week, i drove the wrangler around the whole course, ruts, humps and the hill without touch any pedal. the anti stall and traction control took the manual wrangler all the way around. pity it had no wheel travel, although more than some of the other demo vehicles there.

[rick130]

One of the UK blokes has a bit of a write of a drive up on the lr4x4 board http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php'showtopic=13169
Reckons it goes no better than his Td5 but loves the new 6sp g/box.

[spudboy]

I am definitely book a test drive when they arrive here.

All this waiting is very tedious though. Wish one would get here so I can take a good look.

[sniegy]

Sorry HiLine & Richrd,
Pics are unfotunately banned from the PAG HQ.
I would of liked to take some but couldnt.
It is electromechanical as posted.
The Transit motor also had to be down tuned because the tyres werent up to spec to handle the speed rating. Only 10Kw or so but this means the little donk does have some get up & go. Some of the PAG guys who have driven it say it does go a little better & smoother than the TD5 & the 6 spd box is so slick.
Arriving 3rd qtr of the year some time.

[dmdigital]

A good news for any of us remote people is RovacomLite will support it (and the D3, RR, FL2 and RRS) as of next month!

[RichardK]

A good news for any of us remote people is RovacomLite will support it (and the D3, RR, FL2 and RRS) as of next month!

Does that mean the RCLite for the D3 will be available next month?

[Bisho]

Whats going on? I think all these fancy gizmo's are a waste of time. It takes the fun and challenge out of driving! I dont see the point. I'll stick with old desmond.
bisho

[Grizzly_Adams]

Really? You've tried them, made the comparison, and decided that without the gizmo's driving is a lot more fun and challenging?

Not trying to start a war here, just being devil's advocate. :twisted:

[spudboy]

Bisho - I think Mrs Spudboy will very much appreciate quiter cruising, air-con that works properly, more footroom for the passenger. More harmonius travelling - who can argue with that?

[p38arover]

Bisho - I think Mrs Spudboy will very much appreciate quiter cruising, air-con that works properly, more footroom for the passenger. More harmonius travelling - who can argue with that?


I've got that with a P38A Rangie cf my previous '86 Rangie (and my County)! What I don't have is minimal electronics. :(

However, I'd have to say the old basic 300Tdi Disco comes close (except in ride comfort, NVH, air con, otehr creature features, and sound system quality). :D

It's moving the Defender downwards (in terms of simplicity) and closer to Discos but with all the disadvantages of a Defender.

(If I'm incoherent, it's this bottle of red I've consumed.)

Ron

[Mick-Kelly]

otehr creature features,

(If I'm incoherent, it's this bottle of red I've consumed.)

Ron

At least you've got an excuse for that spelling then :p

[Bisho]

spudboy, yeah i guess your right, can't argue with the missus! Me? I'm at uni, and loving all the roughness and quirks of a series. Don't get me wrong defender boys, i like the defender, a lot! I just don't really want to see it get overcomplicated or cluttered, the more complex the computers, the more that can potentially be out of your control when it goes wrong :p . But i'm sure we could talk about this for hours. hehehe BTW havent drivern a fender, only my dads 300 TDI disco, its a bit soft and squishy round the edges, but a reliable thing, taken us around us, up the cape, fraser twice.

bisho

[Bisho]

BTW grizzly, tried em? NUP! I wish, but hey a bit more of a challenge is always entertaining, tho leafs are pretty inhibiting at times
bisho

[camel_landy]

OK...

Anti-Stall has been around since TD5. It's excellent as you now never need the handbrake for hill starts when off-road anymore.

That gravel area with the truck, in the vid... That's the carpark at Eastnor. ;)

M

[camel_landy]

where's the bloody pics :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

You mean like this... ;)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/04/150.jpg

[dmdigital]

Does that mean the RCLite for the D3 will be available next month?

Should be released 1st of May according to Blackbox Solutions and will cover everything (TDV8, TDV6 V8's ...) up to and including the new 07 Defender and Freelander2.

Now I can seriously think about a replacement form my D2a.:) :cool:

[crump]

OK...

Anti-Stall has been around since TD5. It's excellent as you now never need the handbrake for hill starts when off-road anymore.

That gravel area with the truck, in the vid... That's the carpark at Eastnor. ;)

M
I was waiting for someone to mention that.;)

[hiline]

You mean like this... ;)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/04/150.jpg

yeah and its about time to ;)

i know what secrets you hold :angel: and they are safe with me for the time being ;)

[olbod]

RovacomLite ?
What are they, where are they, whata they do ?
Is it gunna be a good thing ?
Tar.

[hiline]

RovacomLite ?
What are they, where are they, whata they do ?
Is it gunna be a good thing ?
Tar.


its a plug in computer for landy's :D

similar to what a dealer use only a bit more basic

[olbod]

Thanks hiline.
Sounds good, anyone know where we will be able to get it ?

I want a new 90 but if they dont bring it out I'll have to settle for a 110 !
Should look good in the shed beside our Disco.

Go Ford.
Cheers.

[Ruslan]

Anti-Stall has been around since TD5. It's excellent as you now never need the handbrake for hill starts when off-road anymore.
In late TD5, I think. My mate's 110 TD5 2000 year production doesn't have one. I have :p

[sniegy]

Guys, for those of you that do own a TD5 Def who does have anti-stall & who doesnt??;) Is there a "my" that it starts at or is it down to build spec from either the UK or SA? I have been working on these things for years & i have not been told of this on the TD5. Was told they were thinking about it! Is there any mention in the owners handbook? Just trying to broaden my as for now limited :( knowledge on this option. Thanks:)

[ATH]

Mines MY2002 and I've certainly managed to stall it. No mention of it in the owners handbook either.
Alan.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Mine is an 05 and clearly has anti-stall. I have still managed to stall it though but going up a mega hill!

[barney]

how can you be sure it has anti-stall if you managed to stall it?

[Defender=1st]

Yeah how do you know ?? When i pull logs outta the bush with my Fender when the weight starts to take up you feel the motor reves pick up and even without accelerator it really seems to almost rev higher and pull harder by its self. could that be it ??

[Rosco]

Guys, for those of you that do own a TD5 Def who does have anti-stall & who doesnt??;) Is there a "my" that it starts at or is it down to build spec from either the UK or SA? I have been working on these things for years & i have not been told of this on the TD5. Was told they were thinking about it! Is there any mention in the owners handbook? Just trying to broaden my as for now limited :( knowledge on this option. Thanks:)

03 model and as far as I know it doesn't have ... at least I don't have the slightest trouble stalling it occasionally. ........ :angel:

[Captain_Rightfoot]

how can you be sure it has anti-stall if you managed to stall it?

Would you believe I can't quite remember? I think I just let my foot off the throttle and it stalled.

Anti stall to me is if you let the clutch out and move off, and if you go up a big hill the engine will just chug away and not drop revs. Obviously if it's **really** steep it will still stall.

[camel_landy]

The way we use anti-stall is for the hill starts....

1 - Hold the car on the foot brake.
2 - Gently bring the clutch to the bite point (i.e. the revs dip a touch).
3 - Wait a couple of seconds for the anti-stall to bring the revs back up & stabilise.
4 - Gently bring out the clutch a fraction more.
5 - Again, give anti-stall a chance to stabilise.
6 - Repeat 4 & 5 as necessary.
7 - Gently release the brake peddle and if it's done correctly the car should be held on the clutch.
8 - Bring the revs up, with the gas peddle and continue the hill start.

Doing this in D3 can be fun as the sound proofing is soooo good, it's quite hard to listen to the engine note.

:D

M

[George130]

For those who have seen my posts on the supposed bad engine in the transit. I have been digging and talking and I know find that it is the petrol engine they hate. The diesel is supposed to be great! Main advice is don't touch the transit petrol but you will love the diesel engine!

[camel_landy]

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[Defender=1st]

Nice pics camel landy thanks. Why isnt the Cubby box square ? or is it jst me ??

[solmanic]

Looking at pics 7 & 8 it's a good thing those vent flaps are no-more.

[dhula]

still has the kinda dicky (IMO) handbrake lever that annoys your leg.

would be cool if they had a deso/auto option, i'd be in for one if they did

regarding "anti stall"

our '99 model defender (got this one just after they came out in Aus) had this I think.

pointed it at a 30 degree hill (just guessing) that was rocky and a bit uneven. Low range 1st gear, let the clutch out about 20 meters before the start of the hill and with no load pedal it just walked up - no probs

Did the same in 2nd low, not a prob but you could hear the engine start to strugle then pick up by itself.

Tried it in 3rd and got to about 1/2 way (where the hill got a bit steeper and there was a bit of a hole) and she stalled. It seamed as if she was trying tho

Tried the same hill in a work 110 (3.9 isuzu engine), this one stalled in 1st at the little bump

Tried it in a work 6x6 (4.7:1 diffs). 1st struggled a bit but made it up, 2nd stalled at the bump.

I recon this is "anti stall" - maybe

[hiline]

OK...

Anti-Stall has been around since TD5. It's excellent as you now never need the handbrake for hill starts when off-road anymore.

That gravel area with the truck, in the vid... That's the carpark at Eastnor. ;)

M


In late TD5, I think. My mate's 110 TD5 2000 year production doesn't have one. I have :p

mine has this feature 2000 130 dualcab :D

[muddymech]

i'm not convinced that the td5 had anti stall, i think the computer would try to stop the engine stalling but is limited to how much fuel it was allowed to put into the engine, i'm guessing the 07 defender anti stall will allow the computer to give the engine more fuel than the td5 computer, so giving it a true anti stall.
hmmmm not sure im making that very clear, i know what i want to say but not sure how to describe it.
some one help me out here and back me up with a better explanation.

[hiline]

i'm not convinced that the td5 had anti stall, i think the computer would try to stop the engine stalling but is limited to how much fuel it was allowed to put into the engine, i'm guessing the 07 defender anti stall will allow the computer to give the engine more fuel than the td5 computer, so giving it a true anti stall.
hmmmm not sure im making that very clear, i know what i want to say but not sure how to describe it.
some one help me out here and back me up with a better explanation.

funny i have that problem all the time :angel:

[camel_landy]

i'm not convinced that the td5 had anti stall, i think the computer would try to stop the engine stalling but is limited to how much fuel it was allowed to put into the engine, i'm guessing the 07 defender anti stall will allow the computer to give the engine more fuel than the td5 computer, so giving it a true anti stall.
hmmmm not sure im making that very clear, i know what i want to say but not sure how to describe it.
some one help me out here and back me up with a better explanation.

TD5 does have anti-stall. Just remember, although it has anti-stall, it doesn't mean that it will never stall.

Fuel delivery is going to be down to software... Remember that the TD5 is 'fly by wire', so in theory, they could make the software rev the engine to whatever they want.

M

[camel_landy]

Nice pics camel landy thanks. Why isnt the Cubby box square ? or is it jst me ??

Well spotted that man...

The car in question is one of those special cut-away versions so they had cut out the floor, etc... to show the gearbox & other bits. (It's also how I managed to get a good angle on the photo as it's taken through where they have cut away the roof.)

So the rounding off of the cubby box is just another bit that has been cut away...

M

[camel_landy]

i'm not convinced that the td5 had anti stall, i think the computer would try to stop the engine stalling but is limited to how much fuel it was allowed to put into the engine...

Errrr.... That IS anti-stall.

M

[Nathan]

I noticed in the new defender they've moved the door seals off the doors and on to the body - like most other cars. Any thoughts?.....

[barney]

I noticed in the new defender they've moved the door seals off the doors and on to the body - like most other cars. Any thoughts?.....
here's one!
the defender door seals were always on the body, most cars have them on the doors.:eek:

[Nathan]

here's one!
the defender door seals were always on the body, most cars have them on the doors.:eek:

Sorry - momentary confusion!!:confused:

[camel_landy]

On the subject of seals...

The new body shell is actually being put together on a jig to improve tollerances. So, in theory, the new '07 Defender shouldn't leak like the old one!

:D

M

[Defender=1st]

On the subject of seals...

The new body shell is actually being put together on a jig to improve tollerances. So, in theory, the new '07 Defender shouldn't leak like the old one!

:D

M
What :eek: It cant be a real land Rover then:D

[hiline]

On the subject of seals...

The new body shell is actually being put together on a jig to improve tollerances. So, in theory, the new '07 Defender shouldn't leak like the old one!

:D

M


oh no how boring :( :(

[sniegy]

Thanks Camel Landy for your input & photos good to see.
Have u driven one as of yet?? I would like to see how they go, have heard some really good reports on the transit motor wrt reliability. Any problems so far?? with what u have seen (excuse the Q's as not sure what u actually do, so sorry if needed.)
Thanks again.

[camel_landy]

Thanks Camel Landy for your input & photos good to see.
Have u driven one as of yet?? I would like to see how they go, have heard some really good reports on the transit motor wrt reliability. Any problems so far?? with what u have seen (excuse the Q's as not sure what u actually do, so sorry if needed.)
Thanks again.

A stonking motor, it breezes through areas the old TD5 has to work hard on.

M

[camel_landy]

oh no how boring :( :(

Ray... Ask your dealer if you can borrow one of these then. :D

http://www.dewalt.com//ProductImages/PC_Graphics/PHOTOS/DEWALT/TOOLS/MEDIUM/9/DC920KA_1.gif

[loanrangie]

Well so far we have same body shape we all love, same chassis/ suspension (it works so why change) new hopefully improved donk and slick 6spd box, a real interior that looks like it might be ergonomic and comfortable............................. well where do i sign up !

Oh yeah, i forgot i only need another 40k or so :( .

[solmanic]

The new body shell is actually being put together on a jig to improve tollerances. So, in theory, the new '07 Defender shouldn't leak like the old one!

I saw the assembly at Solihul and they mentioned that - ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa, how we laughed.

Then they told us the story of how, when BMW ran things, they would put a cat in a 5 series and if it was dead in 15 minutes then the car was sealed properly - in a Landrover, if that cat was still in the car in 15 minutes, then it was sealed properly.

[Ruslan]

I saw the assembly at Solihul and they mentioned that - ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa, how we laughed.

Then they told us the story of how, when BMW ran things, they would put a cat in a 5 series and if it was dead in 15 minutes then the car was sealed properly - in a Landrover, if that cat was still in the car in 15 minutes, then it was sealed properly.
I've read this story somewhere.., but about testing D3 :)

[camel_landy]

I saw the assembly at Solihul and they mentioned that - ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa, how we laughed.

:D

M