V8 Supercars

[walker]

How crap is the TV coverage by Channel 7!!!:mad:

I can't believe they can get away with shortening the race by 10 laps at the last minute just to fit into TV schedule. Especially when it was still so close and it definatley dedided the winner.

[Redback]

Yep have to agree, turned a good race into a dissappointing race:twisted:

I'm not a big fan of 2 make racing but this looked like a good race until 7 stepped in and made it an anticlimax:no2: :2up:

[mcrover]

As with V8 sc's these days as long as Rick Kelly is winning it doesnt matter.

What he did to Lowndsy last year was a disgrace and should have cost Rick the race as well which would have given Lowndsy the title but Holden throw a lot of money at the sport so if they arnt winning they cheat.

[weeds]

was that to accomodate the footy

i was working but a mate rang to say the car race had cut into footy time

footy's got to be better than watching cars go

round

and round

and round

and oops one on its roof

and round

and round

and round

[mcrover]

Weeds youve been smoking a bit to many weeds, FOOTY S*X.

I have to hear all about this team that team and how this bloke goes up against that one every smoko and Im sick of it.

Last year I was leading the tipping by a mile and had to go into hospital, the deal was before I went in that if tips werent in you got away sides -1 unless you were sick.

They changed the rules that no tips in then no tips given and then decided that I had not payed on time so started deducting points aswell.

I was in hospital and couldnt ring in or do anything, was not thinking about the footy comp at all as I was crook and this seems to be the dumb footy supporters attitude.

If it doesnt suit them change the rules, the AFL do it all the time and it flows down to the yobbo grunts at the bottom that dont even buy a membership.

Football is crap and should only be seen on pay TV with tennis, soccer, golf cricket and even motor racing.

It is not good for kids to hear their heros talk about sleeping with 6 yo girls to try and put the other player off his game or half the other stuff they get away with just because they are foot ballers.

Big deal, live with it.

[weeds]

Big deal, live with it.
:o i don't mind watch the dakar....thats kinda car racing

[mcrover]

I know probably a bit harsh but Im sick of football, sick to death of it, cant deal with any more of it and it's only the start of the season.

I agree though the Dakar is a good watch.

[walker]

Maybe some teams but they can't short the race to telecast Melbourne V Freemantle....BIG DEAL.

And I agree with the comments about Rick Kelly, what a little Dweeb!!!!!. He should have been banned for 12 months!:twisted:

[Debacle]

Get off Rick Kellys back, he got some fine 3rd places to win last year

[mcrover]

Maybe they need to put a salary cap rule in so it will push the Kellys and Skaife over seas to where they cant cheat and domonate the sport.

Thats right Skaife is just Toll HSV's test bed driver this year.:wasntme:

I have no idea how they get away with Holden "not owning" HRT and HSV teams when both take up space in a GMH owned building with GMH based engineers and get funding from you know who GMH.

When Brocky so called owned HDT way back when, a mate of mine did his aprenticeship with them and as soon as Brocky asserted some authority over what was happening he got the chop from his so own called company.

In football terms (for all you yobbo's), it would be like taking the top players from the whole AFL and setting up a team for the VFA, who would win.

FPV is proof of playing by the rules doesnt work against GMH owned teams, they have nearly got the goods but cant quite crack it as they dont have the money to throw at other teams for testing and dont use their private test track that they can privately test their components before they go on the race cars.

It stinks when this sort of corruption gets into sport just because of money but then money is what drives top grade sport so I suppose what should we expect.

[CraigE]

How do you come to the corruption point????
GMH back their cars and teams with money and resources. Ford do not. Just like their cars their race team support is crap. Sick of hearing all the crying from so called Ford fans.
Holdens are just superior.
The more Fords that can be punted off the track the better, Just shows its not Lowndes but the car, no where near as successfull as when he drove a Holden.
:twisted:
The coverage of the V8 Supercars has been crap for some time especially for those of us that live in the country. I reckon they should at least let Foxtel broadcast it at the same time.

[LandyAndy]

Come on Craig you really do like Fords:D :D :D :D :D
V8 Supercar coverage is HEAPS better now in WA since Channel 7 got it back.
At least GWN show it during the day,whilst 10 had it apart from the BIG races it was on at 12.30 at nite,didnt watch/record any "minor" rounds last couple of years.
Already "wasted" plenty of time watching this season.
Go The FORDS:D :D :D :D
Andrew

[CraigE]

Andy,
Apparently if it conflicts with the footy we will not get it. There should be some sort of arrangement wether it be with fox or whoever to make sure it is shown even if delayed on the same day and in entirety. Win used to peeve me off having it at midnight all the time.
Missed todays unfortuanately.
:(

[jimbo110]

Maybe they need to put a salary cap rule in so it will push the Kellys and Skaife over seas to where they cant cheat and domonate the sport.

Thats right Skaife is just Toll HSV's test bed driver this year.:wasntme:

I have no idea how they get away with Holden "not owning" HRT and HSV teams when both take up space in a GMH owned building with GMH based engineers and get funding from you know who GMH.

When Brocky so called owned HDT way back when, a mate of mine did his aprenticeship with them and as soon as Brocky asserted some authority over what was happening he got the chop from his so own called company.

In football terms (for all you yobbo's), it would be like taking the top players from the whole AFL and setting up a team for the VFA, who would win.

FPV is proof of playing by the rules doesnt work against GMH owned teams, they have nearly got the goods but cant quite crack it as they dont have the money to throw at other teams for testing and dont use their private test track that they can privately test their components before they go on the race cars.

It stinks when this sort of corruption gets into sport just because of money but then money is what drives top grade sport so I suppose what should we expect.

Ford sucks, big deal, live with it!

[discowhite]

Maybe they need to put a salary cap rule in so it will push the Kellys and Skaife over seas to where they cant cheat and domonate the sport.

Thats right Skaife is just Toll HSV's test bed driver this year.:wasntme:


whar whar whar!:p and furd dont do it with the stone bros engines in every ones cars?? have a look at the top 10 in any race these days! its almost half and half, look at it 5-7 years ago ALL HOLDEN.
ch7 paid way to much to get the v8's back all in an attempt to gain ratings! the picture quality is crap the colours the cars comes out are crap, the comentators are crap, they dont play any background music behind the results pages etc, ya just get engine noises and scratchy intercom dribble! even the cameras dont work properly, anyone else see the funny distortion towards the end of race 3??

i aint an r kelly fan, annoying little p3ck! so if the race had have gone full distance there is nothing sayin that GT wouldnt have got to P7 and won the round!!


FPV is proof of playing by the rules doesnt work against GMH owned teams, they have nearly got the goods but cant quite crack it as they dont have the money to throw at other teams for testing and dont use their private test track that they can privately test their components before they go on the race cars.


all fpv is proof of is more of fords lack of being ably to come up with another GTHO type car that would/could contend with holden!
pretty sad when a turbo xr6 has more poke than a boss v8 coon:p

cheers phil

[Quiggers]

Frankly, having long been a fan, I'm over it.
7 have added nothing to the telecast, since acquiring the rights.
There's no sight of any other form of racing.
Must be high time a new and better commentary team appeared.
Neil Crompton treats the viewers like babies.
The reasonably talented Mark Beretta seems completely out of his depth.
The damn pace car does a lot of laps, every time some driver sneezes, out it comes to show off its livery, (just who or what is WPS?)
I wonder what will happen when a round clashes with a 'football' event?
The drivers all refer to themselves as 'we', not 'me' or 'I'.
(So how many guys are in the car driving, boys?)

Late on Sunday night I watched a MotoGP from Istanbul, (Casey Stoner won!) and that event was a blast, unlike the V8 show from NooZulland.

About time the officialdom let up on the rules; a few more marques would make it more interesting, Lexus LS V8s and Chrysler 300cs would spark things up a a bit... and maybe chuck in a few V8s from Germany.

(A Chrysler was very nearly first to cross the finish line on Sunday arvo....):twisted:

Pity the Bathurst 12 hour race at Easter wasn't broadcast.... didn't see or hear a thing about it...

GQ

[walker]

That 12hour race at bathurst was on Channel 9 on Sunday Arvo.

[Cameron_Def]

Quite funny reading all your comments

There is a company who does all the camera work etc etc, they resell it to whom ever paid the most .. channel 7 at the moment

Cameras are the same, angles are the same, the only different is the commentators... it even had the same editors...

So if you think the camera work / quality / colour etc are crap now .. go adjust YOUR tv .. as the signal is the same from channel 10.

hope that helps!

[CraigE]

Can't comment on quality, still looks the same to me. Commentators should be people who know about motor racing as a specialty. Mark Baretta knows bugger all and should stick to Sunrise general sport or horseracing (nothing against Mark as he is a good sports news reader). Neil Crompton is a good commentator and may over explain things but that is for the brain dead mob of viewers who know bugger all about motor racing. Neil probablly should be the lead commentator. There are heaps of others with more knowledge and experience.
My main gripe is scheduling. All races should be shown in entirety, live.

[LandyAndy]

HERE HERE,PLUCK THE FOOTY:D :D :D :D :D
WPS Whores Pimps and S***s
Andrew

[walker]

Can't comment on quality, still looks the same to me. Commentators should be people who know about motor racing as a specialty. Mark Baretta knows bugger all and should stick to Sunrise general sport or horseracing (nothing against Mark as he is a good sports news reader). Neil Crompton is a good commentator and may over explain things but that is for the brain dead mob of viewers who know bugger all about motor racing. Neil probablly should be the lead commentator. There are heaps of others with more knowledge and experience.
My main gripe is scheduling. All races should be shown in entirety, live.

Yep, I'm with you. I have never said anything about the coverage, it is just the scheduling which sux......and a few of the commentators. Bring back Rusty.

[mcrover]

I havnt found the telecast has change from channel 10 other than the comentary as well and I really think they need more Neil Cromtons, may be Grant Denyer and Cromly should do a show much like RPM was on 10 instead of that stupid V8 extra thing they have now that really does nothing for other forms of motor racing which will bite the sport in the A$$ as without coverage for the lower classes there will be little to no sponsership for the up and commers and the quality of such drivers/teams will go down hill because the cream wont be able to rise to the top.

I really think there is far to much football based TV shows and 7's commentary of the Geelong Hawthorn game that I caught a glimps of last night was the biggest load of amature crap I have ever heard.

You get better commentary at a country football game.

Sport should be televised but give it to the pay TV companys that will do what it takes to give the best coverage so more people pay to watch and are not driven by what a select group of sponsers want.

As far as 5 years ago, THAT IS WHEN HOLDEN WERE AT THEIR CHEATING BEST, and they were called on it and thats where the parity rules came in.

As far as ford teams sharing one engine supplier, who do you think supplies the Holden motor sport engine to every holden in the paddock, thats right HRT (GMH) and Stone brothers only supply 4 or 5 teams the others are supplied by Harrops or BJR and most of them do their own in house build ups.

[weeds]

if you get a chance do a tour of one of the racing teams workshops, not surehowmany do it. i did DJR last year with a group of tradesmans from work, well worth it plus it didn't cost us anything, part of DJR's sponsorship of a function i was organising. it also happened to be dick's b'day and he was good enough to spend 15/20min with us. we got a better tour than the general tour.

for the hour we were in the workshop they pushed steve's car onto the scales four times making adjustments each time

the only area we didn't see was the engine room, bit strange cause they opened the bonnet of one of the cars for us to have a look

[mcrover]

I got a tour of Glen Setons workshop back about 10 years ago by one of the mechanics that was a customer of where I was working at the time.

It was amazing back then because they pretty much built every part other than the the shell which they modified to extremes.

I have been through the Perkins pits at sandown which was a totaly different story where a lot of things were sorced from outside suppliers and were the same as most of the other cars out there.

I would love to do it again I find it really interesting to see what they do just to get a couple of grams lighter or a hundredths of a second quicker.

[Ace]

Toll HSV has been cleared of any rule breaches, but HRT hasnt, Skaife is still in hot water over the whole who owns what saga. They have been saying from the start he needs to sort it or he is out, first it was adelaide, then it was after Barbagallo then it was after NZ, TEGA dont have the balls to say you aint racing till we are happy, its bull****. I am not a holden or a ford supported, i support Russell Ingall, if he swapped back to holden tomorrow i would follow him. There is no point supporting holden or ford in V8 SC's, they are homologated the same, the only thing that is different is the shape and the engine, even that is controlled so one doesnt gain an advantage.

Dont get me wrong V8's are the best sport on earth, and like some others in this thread i am sick of footy, its not the only sport in Australia, V8's are on once maybe twice a month, footy gets TV coverage for several hours every bloody weekend, missing 20mins so we could see tander beat ***** Smelly would have been far better.

Like someone said he worked hard to finish 3rd all those times to win the championship, now it looks like he will do it again, lets hope not. Tander is a far better drive, as is his brother Todd.

Ford do support their teams a great deal, yes they give less support than holden, and as a result you would be suprised if holden didnt win all the time as a result. But ford paid Lowndes alot of money to come to the dark side and it hasnt really paid off, paying russell ingall did, and i think paying Richo the money will pay off in the end because i think he can drive, so can lowndes but he cant seem to keep the consistency he did when at HRT.

HRT's domination of the late 90's and early 2000's was because they had a superior budget and access to wind tunnel testing in the UK because of Walkinshaws ties with F1. I am not bitching because they won, yes the racing got booring seeing the same driver win all the time, but they won fair and square and didnt cheat. If HRT hadnt won like they did then you would ask why cause they had better paid engineers and more resources.

In the end i support the drivers, i dont care what they drive. I personally would like to see Tander or T Kelly win this year if Russ doesnt win, and he wont if he doesnt pull his finger out. I think if you put Rick in another team he would do stuff all, its the team doing the work not him, yes he is a good driver he wouldnt be where he is if he wasnt but you need a good car under you to win, look at skaife now, what has he done, he hasnt won a round since NZ last year. Matt

[Ace]

I got a tour of Glen Setons workshop back about 10 years ago by one of the mechanics that was a customer of where I was working at the time.

It was amazing back then because they pretty much built every part other than the the shell which they modified to extremes.

I have been through the Perkins pits at sandown which was a totaly different story where a lot of things were sorced from outside suppliers and were the same as most of the other cars out there.

I would love to do it again I find it really interesting to see what they do just to get a couple of grams lighter or a hundredths of a second quicker.

Alot of parts are now control parts so have to be sourced from outside as certain companies are contracted to supply them, such as the gear boxes which have been for some time. Brake rotors, callipers and pads are all control this year, well the pads definitely are anyway. Its all to stop one team having an egde and make the racing closer, and more so make the racing cheaper so the lesser funded teams can compete. Matt

[Ace]

Sport should be televised but give it to the pay TV companys that will do what it takes to give the best coverage so more people pay to watch and are not driven by what a select group of sponsers want.

As far as ford teams sharing one engine supplier, who do you think supplies the Holden motor sport engine to every holden in the paddock, thats right HRT (GMH) and Stone brothers only supply 4 or 5 teams the others are supplied by Harrops or BJR and most of them do their own in house build ups.

Pay TV put in a bid but it was decided that to many fans would be alienated because not everyone has Pay.

Holden Motorsport supplies alot of the engines (or the Tom Walkinshaw Group which ever way you look at it, thats who supplies HRT and Toll HSV's engines.

For a better part of the 90's and 2000's over 1/3rd of the holdens in the field has Perkins Engineering Engines cause Larry was the only one who could make one that would last, why do you think he has won bathurst so many times, only 2-3 retirements in all those years. Matt

[Ace]

Yep, I'm with you. I have never said anything about the coverage, it is just the scheduling which sux......and a few of the commentators. Bring back Rusty.


Leigh Diffey was good, and Mathew White who co-commentates with Crommley was a commentator with 10 for the V8's until he moved to 7 a few years back.

I think Grant Denyer needs to be used more, he is a top personality actually races the cars in the second teir level. He was absent from NZ, which i can only assume is because he is filming that stupid Australia Has Talent crap.

I have found the 7 coverage to be ok, i to noticed the glitches in race 3 like Phil pointed out, but i think there are **** loads more adds, at least now you dont miss a handful of laps during the adds like you did with 10. Matt

[Quiggers]

Quite funny reading all your comments

There is a company who does all the camera work etc etc, they resell it to whom ever paid the most .. channel 7 at the moment

Cameras are the same, angles are the same, the only different is the commentators... it even had the same editors...

So if you think the camera work / quality / colour etc are crap now .. go adjust YOUR tv .. as the signal is the same from channel 10.

hope that helps!


Might take you to task on that one, Cam.

Having been around the OB biz for 35 years, (and a former director of motorsport) there are some differences in the telecast.

You are largely right about the OB supplier(s); however, editors as you quoted are obsequious on a live broadcast.

The current 7 coverage still seems to have the ghost of Mike Raymond lurking (and no disrespect to the Raymonds).

Network commitments and churn and crunch are changing the telecast, to its detritment....

7 went into damage mode when the event appeared to get close to 'swap' and as organised with the promoters called the race a timed event.

which is bull, the primary broadcaster had other commitments looming.

acquisiton of the event has a not so hidden agenda

signal dispersion from NZ would also explain the many gripes about b/q

7s new program unit will gradually learn that unless the fans are happy with the broadcast, then the reach will diminish, which we are monitoring

GQ

[Ace]

The damn pace car does a lot of laps, every time some driver sneezes, out it comes to show off its livery, (just who or what is WPS?)


Wright Pattern Shakespear, they are a financing company in WA i think, Craig Gore is the founder, he owns WPS motorsport and is a the Co-owner of Team Australia in Indy Car.

I agree they do seem to call it out for no reason, Bathurst is the worst, the sand trap at the chase is so big when a car goes of they could impose local yellows send the tractor out, drag it out of the way and off we go, they could learn alot from F1. Matt

[Quiggers]

Thanks Ace.

Wright Patton Shakespeare - a business in QLD, front man, Craig Gore.

No details on who WPS are.............

GQ

[Ace]

Thanks Ace.

Wright Patton Shakespeare - a business in QLD, front man, Craig Gore.

No details on who WPS are.............

GQ


QLD, i thought it was that or WA. Craig Gore has been poring money into motor sport at the moment. Matt

[Jeff]

Late on Sunday night I watched a MotoGP from Istanbul, (Casey Stoner won!) and that event was a blast, unlike the V8 show from NooZulland.

GQ

Lets hope channel Seven doesn't get the MotoGP broadcast rights or we might have the thing shortened to see some local under 8s footy game.

Jeff

[Ace]

Lets hope channel Seven doesn't get the MotoGP broadcast rights or we might have the thing shortened to see some local under 8s footy game.

Jeff

:D :D good one.

Channel 7 promised in a news conference late last year when they won the right the the AFL after they got the V8's that the V8's wouldnt take a second place to the footy, my freakin **** they wouldnt.

I think the worst thing is that all those NZ'ers who went to the race got ripped of 10 or so laps cause 7 sees Aerial Ping Pong as a more important sport. I would be ****ed if i had paid for a ticket and not got to see the whole race. Would they ever cut a footy game 10mins short cause they V8's were on next, i dont think so.

[Quiggers]

The ridiculous part of all this discussion about broadcasting is the lack of decent usage of digital capabilities.

Any digital broadcaster can send more than one signal to a digital receiver, so an outside broadcast from a motor race could go all day on one digital transmission frequency and the footy (or anything else) could go on another at the same time, all under the guise of, in this instance, Network 7. All the viewer would need is a digital reciever...

...but I think government fiddling is preventing this from happening.

GQ