WA - Collecting Firewood?

[Studio54]

Does anyone know the best place to collect good cut split logs in WA. I have seen huge stacks of the stuff around from time to time in various state forrests but I can never remember where.

Anyone know or want to join me in a firewood run?

[Ken]

I 'll help ya get some wood mate havent done that for ages

[LandyAndy]

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Tough question.
Be very wary about helping yourself!!!!!
Perth way you buy a permit to go and cut 1 legaly,we also have a similar area north east of here.
Trick is go in at daybreak get your load you have paid for,if you see no officers you go again after you unload.
We have a simalar free area but 98% was burnt out by bushfire.Contact CALM,or DEC as they are known now for more info,or try their website.
Andrew

[Studio54]

Yeah, good idea, i should contact calm first. Im pretty sure there is a place in or near Dwellingup.

Ken I might try and organise it for this weekend if your interested, I will PM you my plan once Ive called CALM tomorrow.

Disco, trailer, axe and chainsaw, what more could a man want.

[Ken]

Another Disco Trailer and Chainsaw LoL:D

[LandyAndy]

There are free areas but too far from Perth to make it worthwhile.
There is a fee paying area just south of Perth on AlbanyHWY,close to the Jarrahdale turn off.
Give me a couple of weeks and you can drag your trailers down here for the day,head out in the bush,cut some wood and a BBQ if you are interested.
Got our first load on sunday.
Andrew

[DirtyDawg]

Last year I got rid of my Wood heater for a Split system R/C AC..hence I have a surplus of dried split Jarrah (I paid $250 for a Truck load) send me a PM and for a carton of Corona I will let you have it;)

[LandyAndy]

Thats a pretty good offer Nigel,you will have them banging at your PM box!!!!!
Andrew

[cartm58]

Just got a trailer load of Jarrah for $85, quotes on a tonne delivered to the door were $195 and $200.

A carton of Corona for your surplus stock l would interested in that deal

[Frenchie]

I grow my own. ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

the Jarra around here is all squillion dollar outdoor settings,,

and you guys BURN it!:eek:

[Studio54]

I could pick up the phone and get some delivered. The whole idea is to incorporate a bit of a trip away.

A tonne from Dwellingup CALM is cheap as chips and I can camp over and do a bit of 4wding at the same time.

[Ken]

I have to work this Saturday if you can hold off for a week i will still be up for it even an overnighter (camping) i know the missus will be up for it too

[Studio54]

No problems Ken, I have a bucks party to go to on the 5th but nothing on the 12th or 13th at the moment.

JB

[Tyrepower]

the Jarra around here is all squillion dollar outdoor settings,,

and you guys BURN it!:eek:

Everytime I burnt wood I felt like a criminal. however you are only allowed to take dead stuff or wind fall. If they catch you cutting green timber the fines are huge. Best timber in the world to burn though, hot coles and burns all night with very little ash.
Cheers Tyrepower

[Ken]

Sounds like a plan when would you want to go Friday Arvo or Sat morning assuming we are staying the night ? wont be short of wood to burn round the camp fire :p

[LandyAndy]

I will try and head over to meet you guys if I can,only 3/4 hour away!!!
Andrew

[isuzurover]

the Jarra around here is all squillion dollar outdoor settings,,

and you guys BURN it!:eek:

EVERYTHING is made from Jarrah over here. ALL the timber in my house is 100% Jarrah - even the bits that are completely hidden.

I was pretty amazed that there is so much when I moved here - it is the only thing that is used for firewood when camping.

[Ken]

Its the same for us when we go camping usually Dwellingup we buy the wood allready bagged for $7.00 and its all dry split jarrah best place to get it is from the servo on the left as u turn left at the general store to go towards the lane poole turn off .Just talking about it makes me want to pack up the Landy and head off :angel: for a week or three :)

[LandyAndy]

If you guys are having a sleep over I will try and talk the missus and boy into it.
Andrew

[Studio54]

If I can get away from work at a decent time we normally go Friday nights but setting up a tent in the dark is no fun for anyone.

Tent peg and gympie vs wifes foot.

[p38arover]

I grow my own. ;)

Tony, they are talking of wood, not grass! :D

Ron

[Ken]

Saturday morning would be better nice and fresh and no bruised feet :D

[Frenchie]

Tony, they are talking of wood, not grass! :D

Ron

I know! ;)

I have about three years supply in the wood shed, three large dead trees (long term storage) which would be about another three years worth and several trees earmarked for lopping. By the time I get through that lot some of the smaller trees will be large enough to "harvest". :)

[Taz]

For info,

There are also fee paying area's 20mins up Brookton hwy. Fee's are normally $7 in summer and $15 in winter. They specify that you cannot collect if it's been raining the 3days prior. You normally get 30days to use the permit.

They also like you to stick to the "designated tracks". I got caught out last year when creeping up a well used track with a trailer - I got jumped by two guys in orange outfits clicking away on digital camers! Luckily I got just a warning.

Cheers,
Taz

[mcrover]

Hey guys,

Working on a golf course over here in vic, we have a crap load of cut wood that is from fallen tree's/branches from the course.

I dont know for sure but if your driving past a golf course and they have trees then they will have wood.

We sell fire wood for $25 per 6x4 trailer load which is dirt cheap for around here and people drive from the other side of town to get it.

Just a thought for if you dont have the time or equipment to get your own, some courses even deliver and stack but prices vary from course to course.

By the way a well stacked 6x4 is close to 1 square metre and you can normaly pick what you want out of the stack and we dont bother with pine or the soft woods we just chip it up so you could get your mulch at most courses as well.

If anyone in Melbourne wants wood, PM me and we can organise something.

[Tank]

Everytime I burnt wood I felt like a criminal. however you are only allowed to take dead stuff or wind fall. If they catch you cutting green timber the fines are huge. Best timber in the world to burn though, hot coles and burns all night with very little ash.
Cheers Tyrepower
So should everyone that burns wood to heat their house, the World is in Crisis over Climate change and you people are burning wood, I suppose you all think that wood heating is using a renewable resource, WRONG!!!, how many of you that just pinched, borrowed or bought a load of wood went out and planted a tree to replace what you are going to burn.
A woodheater emits more pollution in a 24 hour period than a modern car does in it's entire lifetime, woodsmoke has the same toxic and cancer causing chemicals as Tobacco smoke, only 12 times more toxic, so next time you breathe in a breath of woodsmoke it is the equivalent of 12 puffs on a cigarette, in NSW the State Government is offering to buy back woodheaters by offering a $500 subsidy to change over to Gas or R/C air con, before you light up think about how many people in your neighbourhood are going to enjoy your smoke, Regards Frank.

[953]

Geez Frank, bet you`re not real keen on camping.
It must be pretty hard taking your r/c air con into the bush:p
Cheers Dean.

[RobHay]

So should everyone that burns wood to heat their house, the World is in Crisis over Climate change and you people are burning wood, I suppose you all think that wood heating is using a renewable resource, WRONG!!!, how many of you that just pinched, borrowed or bought a load of wood went out and planted a tree to replace what you are going to burn.
A woodheater emits more pollution in a 24 hour period than a modern car does in it's entire lifetime, woodsmoke has the same toxic and cancer causing chemicals as Tobacco smoke, only 12 times more toxic, so next time you breathe in a breath of woodsmoke it is the equivalent of 12 puffs on a cigarette, in NSW the State Government is offering to buy back woodheaters by offering a $500 subsidy to change over to Gas or R/C air con, before you light up think about how many people in your neighbourhood are going to enjoy your smoke, Regards Frank.



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[nornalup]

"A woodheater emits more pollution in a 24 hour period than a modern car does in it's entire lifetime"

Really:wasntme: Mabye we should look at the use of the word sustianable Frank, and get some perspective on the this.

A renewable resource means that the resource, in this case wood, can generate itself as fast as we use it. Given the time oil takes for mother nature to produce, and the rate we use it I think it's fair to say this became unsustainable soon after those texans tapped that first well. Using our forects for dunny paper aint sustianable, but collecting fallen timbber in selected areas I believe is a different story. Infact in WA it's used to actually controll the fuel load in areas, that otherwise would suffer more controlled burns by land managers.

For those of us, like frenchie, that live on large rural bush blocks we burn wood at a slower rate that that amount of bush produces and drops the stuff. As far as pollution from burning that wood I look at the burnt out trunks of 200 year old trees around our place and can only imagine my contribution a small part of what natural bushfires emit.

Living on the south coast of NSW how do you heat your place. Plug in the electric heater, or the gas bayonet. If so following your logic, do you make some coal or natural gas on the weekends in the back shed to make up for your sins.

Bottom line is going and chopping done a forest for woodchips is unsustainable. Having that forest intact and using it as a renewable resource makes sense. After all you don't cut done the lemon tree when a few are ripe do you?

Hopefully the blokes on this forum will chose to take wood in a responsible way and takes as much as they personally need. There are several areas around here that this has been going on for over a decade. They look in far better nick than the logged state forests and frequently burnt land surrounding.

Thats my rant for the night.

[Tank]

Geez Frank, bet you`re not real keen on camping.
It must be pretty hard taking your r/c air con into the bush:p
Cheers Dean.
Dean, Love camping mate, love sitting around a campfire, what I dont like is my miserable neighbours that let their woodheaters smoulder overnight and while they are at work, just 'cause they are too lazy to let it go out overnight and relight it when they need it, I have to shut up my house day and night to avoid the stinking fumes, going camping and sitting around the campfire is a blessed relief, Regards Frank.

[D110V8D]

I grow my own. ;)

Is it seedy?;)

[Tank]

"A woodheater emits more pollution in a 24 hour period than a modern car does in it's entire lifetime"

Really:wasntme: Mabye we should look at the use of the word sustianable Frank, and get some perspective on the this.

A renewable resource means that the resource, in this case wood, can generate itself as fast as we use it. Given the time oil takes for mother nature to produce, and the rate we use it I think it's fair to say this became unsustainable soon after those texans tapped that first well. Using our forects for dunny paper aint sustianable, but collecting fallen timbber in selected areas I believe is a different story. Infact in WA it's used to actually controll the fuel load in areas, that otherwise would suffer more controlled burns by land managers.

For those of us, like frenchie, that live on large rural bush blocks we burn wood at a slower rate that that amount of bush produces and drops the stuff. As far as pollution from burning that wood I look at the burnt out trunks of 200 year old trees around our place and can only imagine my contribution a small part of what natural bushfires emit.

Living on the south coast of NSW how do you heat your place. Plug in the electric heater, or the gas bayonet. If so following your logic, do you make some coal or natural gas on the weekends in the back shed to make up for your sins.

Bottom line is going and chopping done a forest for woodchips is unsustainable. Having that forest intact and using it as a renewable resource makes sense. After all you don't cut done the lemon tree when a few are ripe do you?

Hopefully the blokes on this forum will chose to take wood in a responsible way and takes as much as they personally need. There are several areas around here that this has been going on for over a decade. They look in far better nick than the logged state forests and frequently burnt land surrounding.

Thats my rant for the night.
Nornalup, do you really beleive that wood is a Sustainable resource, I thought sustainable meant that what was being used was replaced by growing more. Timber in Australia and most other Countries is not harvested, but MINED same as coal, more timber is taken than is being grown, 2/3 of all the timber in Australia has been mined since white settlement and the 1/3 that is left is being mined unsustainably. Landcare admits that they are wasting there time because they will never be able to keep up. I am glad you think that chopping down a forest for woodchipping is not sustainable, 3 Million Tonnes of Forest, not Plantation BTW, is cut for Woodchipping/year, based on ABS and other Government depts. (State Forests, EPA) 6 million tonnes of forest is cut down to supply the Domestic Wood Heater (DWH) sector, that's Legally cut down, but as everyone knows most people pinch or illegally gather their firewood so thet figure could be 9 million or more tonnes/year from OUR forests so people can have that ambience of a fire in their house. You might live on a bush block, most of us live in urban areas in large cities or regional country areas, where DWH's total about 60% of all households, Sydney has about 13% of households with with DWH and in Winter 2/3 to 3/4 of Sydneys TOTAL air pollution comes from the humble DWH. The 2 most air polluted cities in Australia are Launceston and Canberra, TOTALLY due to DWH emissions (CSIRO DAR), the only responsible thing to do is leave fallen timber for the animals, insects and and other living organisms to use as nature intended. 4000 Australians DIE PREMATURELY every year in Australia as a direct result of Particulate (PM 2.5) Air Pollution of which the Majority comes from DWH's during winter, and for those with DWH's in their homes that dont think the emissions are harmful, just remove the heater flue and let the emission fill your house, cause that's what you're doing to your neighbours, that's my rant for the night, Regards Frank.

[mcrover]

Ok Frank, you dont like wood heaters thats fine, I would love to have one as Ive had in most houses Ive lived in but there is nowhere to put it in here so I have to rely on electric heating that burns coal to create the electricity which is also quite polluting I think the statistics would say.

The only wood I used to burn was fallen timber from golf courses and the farm that cant be left to the bugs and animals as golfers dont like branches in the middle of the golf course and farm land is for animals that make you money and the others can stay in the bush IMHO.

I agree with most of what you were saying except for that and I know it is pretty bad some days when the smoke is thick on the ground from DWH's but this is probably the only way some people can afford to heat their house as was the case with me in my last place where I could get wood for free and the central heating caused my ex to have asthma.

[Tank]

Ok Frank, you dont like wood heaters thats fine, I would love to have one as Ive had in most houses Ive lived in but there is nowhere to put it in here so I have to rely on electric heating that burns coal to create the electricity which is also quite polluting I think the statistics would say.

The only wood I used to burn was fallen timber from golf courses and the farm that cant be left to the bugs and animals as golfers dont like branches in the middle of the golf course and farm land is for animals that make you money and the others can stay in the bush IMHO.

I agree with most of what you were saying except for that and I know it is pretty bad some days when the smoke is thick on the ground from DWH's but this is probably the only way some people can afford to heat their house as was the case with me in my last place where I could get wood for free and the central heating caused my ex to have asthma.
For the same unit of heat produced a woodheater emits 10 times more pollution than a reverse cycle air-con and that's if it is operated correctly and not allowed to smoulder for up to 16 hours a day, when operated as per usual it can be 100 times more polluting. I know people like their woodheaters and don't like being told they are polluting the air and making their neighbours sick, but you have to draw the line somewhere and also realise that woodheaters aren't cheap to own and operate and the crap about pensioners cant afford to heat their houses any other way is just bull$h!t, I'm a pensioner and I cant afford a $2500 woodheater installation. You only use wood from golf courses, that's great but there is at least 6 million tonnes of wood being burnt by others that dont, BTW the Australian Lung Foundation says one of the biggest triggers for asthma attacks in Australia and Overseas is woodsmoke, can you name any other household appliance that is being banned by Councils around Australia, or the NSW Government offers $500 rebate to switch from woodheaters to cleaner forms of heating, like gas or reverse cycle air-con
or the Government issues dont operate tonight warnings or if a council ranger sees excessive smoke coming from a residence can fine the owner $750 on the spot. But people who live in urban areas still buy these pollution machines and don't give a stuff about the pollution of theirs and their neighbours health, because they want that warm glow and ambience you get from a fire, too bad your killing the atmospere and your neighbours, Regards Frank.

[Studio54]

I agree with everything you said and all the statistics you mentioned.

I just don't care about any of them!
:)

[Tank]

I agree with everything you said and all the statistics you mentioned.

I just don't care about any of them!
:)
Well, that's the whole problem, apathy, Regards Frank.

[Ken]

Geez Tank you better sell them cars you have and get a horse drawn cart :D :p :D

[Tank]

Geez Tank you better sell them cars you have and get a horse drawn cart :D :p :D
Ken, yeh mate why's that, just because I dont like having to shut my home up because some ignorant @$$hole wants to pollute the neighbourhood with A woodheater from the 19th Century, Regards Frank

[Ken]

Im not trying to dis you its just that there are many more cars on the road than there is wood heaters and before you say anything YES Australia has some of the least refined fuels in the world even our 98RON is inferior compared to Japans 105RON burns much cleaner it doesnt matter what is said by anyone really because unless governments ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING about the emission problems this world faces nothing will change and we all no how greedy the fat cats of this world are DONT WE

[Tank]

Im not trying to dis you its just that there are many more cars on the road than there is wood heaters and before you say anything YES Australia has some of the least refined fuels in the world even our 98RON is inferior compared to Japans 105RON burns much cleaner it doesnt matter what is said by anyone really because unless governments ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING about the emission problems this world faces nothing will change and we all no how greedy the fat cats of this world are DONT WE
Ken, that is a given fact, more cars than woodheaters, but 1 woodheater out-pollutes (if that's a word) by about 10,000 to 1 and that's if it is operated correctly, Governments are spending your Tax dollar trying to educate woodheater owners to use their heaters correctly or offering subsidys (your money again) to get rid of their woodheaters. In Perth a couple of years back 2003 I think, the State Govt. spent millions to educate woodheater owners to reduce emissions over a 12 month period. The result was a MINUS 1% improvement, so your Tax dollars went into increasing emissions. The National Heritage Advisory council did a snap audit on woodheaters on general sale in Australia and found 60% did not meet emissions standards, imagine if the car manufacturers were caught out like that, they would be sent broke by the fines, but not the Woodheater industry. The cost to the Taxpayer in Medical costs from the health effects of woodheater emissions is on average $2200/ woodheater, which adds up to $billions$, so if you think your paying through the nose for petrol, it's nothing compared to the cost of woodheater use. Thats not counting the environmental cost. There is no Valid reason for the Domestic Wood Heater to exist in this Day and Age, NZ has already a plan to phase out all wood and coal burning domestic heaters over a 10 year period, it cant happen here soon enough, Regards Frank.

[LandyAndy]

Well Im an environmental THUG.
Got a brand new woodheater last year,during winter it goes 24/7 and the house is lovely and warm,a tad too hot sometimes,the older one now lives in the shed,that goes all weekend during winter.
I also cut/sell firewood to add to my THUGness.
I also am about to buy a 4.6 Rangie,because my TD5 Disco dont burn my fair share of the oil thats left in the world.
Gees Im a bad person.
Andrew

[Ken]

Shame on you Andy

;) :D :p :D

[mcrover]

Bad boy Andy lol.

I know were talking about wood heaters but if were also talking pollution, I want to know how the state gov gets away with massive burnoffs that fill gullys with smoke (anyone in the FTG or Boronia area would be able to tesstify to that as I used to live there and Mt Evelyn where it happens as well) and then makes it near impossible to clear away dangerous or fallen trees from your boundry and threaten to fine you if you get the victor out and cut yourself a fire break in the Nat park over your back fence because they wont.

They get away with it for the for months on end and then make out like woodheaters are the biggest problem around.

Im neither green or redneck, I love the bush but I dont think man can control it the way they think they can I think they need the help of indiginous labour (roo's, wombats etc) as well as a bit of nonindiginous (cattle and sheep) but I have been wrong in the past but only time will tell.

By the way as I stated before, I have no wood heater in this house but my neibour does and I supply his wood even knowing that if we get a westerly blowing ithe smoke comes straight into our lounge room and sets off the fire alarm but I think it's his right and really I dont care.

[LandyAndy]

I will add.
We have 2 airconditioners in our house,we didnt run either during the summer just gone.
Must have racked up some greenhouse credits there.
Spending tommorow cutting firewood,got 2 orders to fill.
Andrew

[DirtyDawg]

I have a wood heater to go if anybody wants it....I have replaced it with a huge Inverter,,as I'm a lazy barstard on the weekend and cant be bothered chopping wood.....unlike my Thuggy bro in Williams:D:D

[Ken]

So Dirty Dawg whats the chances of you poppin in for a cuppa next weekend out at Dwellingup we are headin out there to get some wood

Hey Andy did you get ya permit sorted

[Tank]

Well Im an environmental THUG.
Got a brand new woodheater last year,during winter it goes 24/7 and the house is lovely and warm,a tad too hot sometimes,the older one now lives in the shed,that goes all weekend during winter.
I also cut/sell firewood to add to my THUGness.
I also am about to buy a 4.6 Rangie,because my TD5 Disco dont burn my fair share of the oil thats left in the world.
Gees Im a bad person.
Andrew
Andrew, seems the WA epa bloke was right when he said, after the WA govt. had just spent millions of taxpayers money trying to educate woodheater owners not to pollute, that "You can't educate Idiots", Regards Frank.

[Tank]

Bad boy Andy lol.

I know were talking about wood heaters but if were also talking pollution, I want to know how the state gov gets away with massive burnoffs that fill gullys with smoke (anyone in the FTG or Boronia area would be able to tesstify to that as I used to live there and Mt Evelyn where it happens as well) and then makes it near impossible to clear away dangerous or fallen trees from your boundry and threaten to fine you if you get the victor out and cut yourself a fire break in the Nat park over your back fence because they wont.

They get away with it for the for months on end and then make out like woodheaters are the biggest problem around.

Im neither green or redneck, I love the bush but I dont think man can control it the way they think they can I think they need the help of indiginous labour (roo's, wombats etc) as well as a bit of nonindiginous (cattle and sheep) but I have been wrong in the past but only time will tell.

By the way as I stated before, I have no wood heater in this house but my neibour does and I supply his wood even knowing that if we get a westerly blowing ithe smoke comes straight into our lounge room and sets off the fire alarm but I think it's his right and really I dont care.
mcrover, down here we get the woodheater season for 6 to 8 months of the year, then the npws, state forests and the Bush Fire Brigade start burning off from now till about mid spring, a few years back the roads (Princes Highway) was closed all day because the smoke from these ridiculous burnoffs and fog (smog) was so thick that cars and trucks were running off the road, one silly b@$tard abandoned his car in the middle of the highway when he panicked cause he couldn't see, 1/2 a dozen vehicles piled into this car, a woman got out of her car and was looking at the damage to the front of her car when a semi trailer slammed into the back of her car, crushing and killing her. The burnoff mentality is unbelievable down here, they say it is to save lives during the bushfire season, not one person has died from bushfires in this area in 150 years, burnoffs have only been practised for about 40 of the 150 years, but this area of Australia has the highest incidence of Lung Cancer, Emphysemia, Asthma in Australia and also the lowest recovery rate of Cancer patients in Australia. My friend who lives 2 doors down and has been living here for about 12 years has just been diagnosed with Mouth and Throat Cancer, (non-smoker, except for woodsmoke), I also have cancer, so you can see why I rant against people like LandyAndy who think it is their God given right to pollute the air, effect other peoples health and then make light of it, we all have the right to breathe unpolluted air, that's why we moved to the bush, but I can tell you the air is cleaner in Sydney than it is down here for 8 months of the year, anyhow, Regards Frank.

[100I]

Bushfires are going to occur, whether by natural ignition such as lightning strikes, arson or other inadvertent acts of man. Controlled burns reduce the amount of fuel available.

[Ken]

Tank I think we get the point but as far as it goes unless they change laws and stop us from using wood alltogether this will persist as a problem i mean for gods sake just about every thing we sit at on or rest our bones on at the days end is constructed out of wood and for the sake of getting grumpy that doesnt help matters either Mate Im sorry that your sick but taking it out on other members of the forum doesnt help what about protesting to the powers that be namely the goverment Just because Andy burns wood doesnt make him an idiot or for that matter other people voicing thier opinions as to the pros and cons of burning wood Mate this is Australia and we shall say what we like

[mcrover]

Bushfires are going to occur, whether by natural ignition such as lightning strikes, arson or other inadvertent acts of man. Controlled burns reduce the amount of fuel available.

So do cattle but thats another story.

Sorry to hear that Frank but that is exactly what I was trying to get accross, Were probably better off where we are as not many wood heaters and no bush real close that they burn off but we still cop it from Lysterfield and Langwarren but it's once in a blue moon rather than 8 months of the year.

One thing that I have a gripe about DWH's is when people burn green pine or cyprus, pine in general, treated timbers, oiled timbers painted timbers and timber like oregon which all give off toxic smoke.

Australian native hardwoods such as yellow box, Red gum and Messmate (mountain ash) give off little polution in comparrison to rubbish wood as above.

Even wattyl and other soft ausie woods like swamp gum are good to burn but must be dry and will burn quickly.

Another tip is to blend soft and hard woods, it's something to do with the heat makes the wood give off gasses and this is what burns and as soft wood is less dense, it can burn quicker and help keep the hard more dense wood burning hotter.

If a combustion heater is running properly the should not be any sign of smoke coming from the chimney most of the time, just heat hase and the odd puff when you add oxygen when you open it up or add wood.

It's not as hard as what it sounds to do properly give it ago if you have a wood heater.

[LandyAndy]

Hey Frank I AINT NO IDIOT!!!!
Wasnt going to buy a LPG heater no mater what the gove rebate was,at $95 for a 45kg bottle of gas!!!!! How much do they sell it to the Japs for,about 20cents a litre!!!!!Just bought a new HWS that gives us 2 months a bottle instead of 1.
Electricity is expensive and creates plenty of pollution,Collie is around 75ks from here,they mine coal burn it there and turn it into power for much of the state.
My woodfire,which by the way is an EPA approved low emmision unit,WOOD create less greenhouse gasses than the equivelent electric heater over winter,only smokes when you fire it up.Plus I only burn the FINEST JARRAH I can find!!!!!
I live in a country town,sorry woodsmoke pollution isnt a problem around here unless CALM are burning the bush.
Anyway got to go,got 1.8 tonnes of jarrah sitting on my trailer I have to split and deliver this arvo.
Andrew

[Tank]

Hey Frank I AINT NO IDIOT!!!!
Wasnt going to buy a LPG heater no mater what the gove rebate was,at $95 for a 45kg bottle of gas!!!!! How much do they sell it to the Japs for,about 20cents a litre!!!!!Just bought a new HWS that gives us 2 months a bottle instead of 1.
Electricity is expensive and creates plenty of pollution,Collie is around 75ks from here,they mine coal burn it there and turn it into power for much of the state.
My woodfire,which by the way is an EPA approved low emmision unit,WOOD create less greenhouse gasses than the equivelent electric heater over winter,only smokes when you fire it up.Plus I only burn the FINEST JARRAH I can find!!!!!
I live in a country town,sorry woodsmoke pollution isnt a problem around here unless CALM are burning the bush.
Anyway got to go,got 1.8 tonnes of jarrah sitting on my trailer I have to split and deliver this arvo.
Andrew
Didn't say you were, the WA govt. did, AS 4013 is the emission standard that all woodheaters sold in Australia must meet, your heater model was tested in a Laboratory to comply, they use a single piece of wood with 6" nails driven in all around to keep it off the floor of the heater to maximise airflow and the wood is specially prepared, and Kiln dried with only 2% moisture, that's about Balsa Wood consistency, your best bit of dry Jarrah is about 20% moisture content. So your heater runs 24/7, so it is left to smoulder overnight and when your not home, then your heater will be emitting around a 100 times more pollution than the EPA standard. In one 24 hour period your heater will emit more Greenhouse gasses and Particulate air pollution than a modern car will emit over it's entire life span.
What pi**es me off is that you seem to be proud of polluting the air, even though you live in a rural area, do you think the tonnes of Greenhouse gas from your woodheater just disappears, well it actually hangs in the atmosphere for years and mixes with other airborne pollutants to form even more Greenhouse gas, what chance have we got of reducing Greenhouse gas if everyone had your attitude, Reagrds Frank.

[Disco300Tdi]

How do we boil the billy, cook and keep warm when out camping ??

Just a little confused..:confused:

Because from what I am reading, you never light a campfire....:confused:

[LandyAndy]

Hey Frank
Sorry the fire dosnt smoulder,closed right up ticks away nicely,no smoke,AS THE STANDARD REQUIRES.The seller/instaler has shown me how to adjust it so the thing burns wood slower,BUT THAT WOOD BE LIKE TAKING THE POLUTION GEAR OFF A SERIES 3.
How many incandesent globes in your house matey????????????
We have none and havent for 3 years!!!!!!
I SEE THE GOVERNMENT PATTING THEMSELVES ON THE BACK AS THEY ARE ABOUT TO BAN THEM.
Have you fully insulated your house?I put R3.5 batts in the ceiling and scabbed styrofoam sheeting from a demolition,that I fitted to the underside of the floor runners giving 30mm of foam then a 75mm airgap.
WATER,not greenhouse,but all our greywater goes thru the orchard.
VEGIES,we grow most of what we eat,lot more environmentally friendly than commercial grown,I spent 2 years at Sumichs,the largest market garden in the southern hemisphere and the second biggest(at the time) in the world,NOT VERY FRIENDLY TO THE ENVIRONMENT AT ALL.
How would you know how dry my firewood is:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
The stuff Im cutting is the remenants from when the area was last logged,20 YEARS AGO!!!!,and them vandals left a huge amount of perfect wood behind,one hit in the centre of a 3 foot ring and it busts into 8 bits or more.
Are you akin to a reformed smoker????,you boast some nice environmentally UNFRIENDLY vehicles at the bottom of your posts.
TIME TO BUY AN ELECTRIC CAR AND A SOLAR PANEL MAN.
Andrew

[DirtyDawg]

Don't get him mad guys he is a big red headed barstard and has all the tools to turn you into road fill:D:D:D:D

each to his own..I say....all too little too late...:(

[Tank]

How do we boil the billy, cook and keep warm when out camping ??

Just a little confused..:confused:

Because from what I am reading, you never light a campfire....:confused:
Gavin, have no problem with campfires, my problem is with Domestic Wood Heaters (DWH), which are Slow Combustion heaters, this means you can regulate the air supply and starve the fire of air which allows the wood to burn more slowly. Incomplete combustion produces a witches brew of Toxic and Carcenogenic substances that are harmful to human health, an open fire, such as a campfire still produces toxic fumes BUT nowhere near the toxicity of a DWH. What gets my goat is if I or someone who is adversely affected by DWH emissions complains then the DWH owner gets on his high horse and says he can use his DWH however he wants and stuff anyone else. There is no valid reason for burning wood to heat a house, fallen wood on the forest floor plays it's part in the eco-system by releasing carbon back into the soil and into the atmosphere over the many years it takes to decay and I doubt the small amount used by campers for a campfire will make a dent, unlike the pro firewood collectors. Why do you think Councils wont allow rainwater tanks in suburban and rural residential areas to be used for drinking purposes, because of the crap that settles on your roof from Burn-Offs, Bushfires, cars and DWH, that crap contains Dioxins ( largest source of Dioxins in Aust. is from woodsmoke, not industry like O/seas CSIRO DAR, EPA, NHMRC, NEPC) argueably the deadliest toxin known to man, Mercury, Lead, and many other Persistent Organic Pollutants. The best woodheater on the market still puts 10 times more pollution into the air for a given amount of heat than a Coal fired power station. Andy says he was shown how to operate his woodheater by the seller, whom I would imagine is a member of the Australian Home Heating Association (AHHA), on their website and all of their operating brochures the say "Dont let smoulder overnight" as does each states EPA, but when you go to buy a DWH the seller will tell you that you can light up at the first sign of cold weather and continually burn right thru the cold weather as a selling aid. I have been fighting against DWH for over a decade now, we have councils that have banned DWH and others considering it, the National govt. is looking to phase out DWH in the next 10 years, tougher standards have been legislated, a snap emission audit by the Fed. Govt. found that 60% or more of DWH sold in Australia do not comply with the Australian standard, so progress is slow but promising. Most DWH owners like Andy will read this and say why should this b*$tard tell me how I can operate my woodheater, I have my rights, well so do people who don't want to breathe in the crap coming from your woodheater 24/7, Regards Frank.

[out_the_way]

so lets stop burning wood ..............??????????????????????????????????
and support dummy howard with his nuclear reactors that wont kill the world:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
every body has there oppinions and that what makes this forum good we can hear everybodies oppinion in a calm collected manor

[Studio54]

I can't beleive what I am reading since this thread started.

Frank, you obvioulsy know what your talking about and I thank you for your spirited opposition to the whole thing.

However, fire is mans greatest achievment and will always remain that way. Have you ever put your marshmellows in front of the LPG, have you ever sat romanticly staring into the dancing orange flame of the reverse cycle air conditioner?

This is not about what is right or wrong, what is cheap or expensive or what is the the best for the environment.

Its about keeping warm, cooking, using as light, and protection the very same thing that Cromagnum or Homo Erectus did. Its about what has been happening for many thousands of years and what I hope always will.

Frank and any one agree's with you, YOU ARE RIGHT! but once again, NO ONE CARES!

[Studio54]

PS: I do actually look after the environment in many other ways, but wood fires certainly isn't one of them.

[Ken]

And when we go to Dwellingup next weekend Im giving Andy the match that will light the fire that will keep us all warm while we drink a lot of beer and sing fire songs and dance around the fire and we can sit around the fire and tell campfire stories and the fire up the boombox and heat up the dancefloor with somme fired up tunes and then when its time too fire up the landrovers the sparkplugs will create a spark that will create a fire in the bore that will create horsepower that brings to life the very reason we are here to fire off a few rounds about land rovers
READY AIM FIRE :p :D :p :twisted: :p :D :p :twisted:

[DiscoTDI]

This thread makes me want to buy a wood heater (would have to just burn **** outside with it cause its to friggin hot here to use), buy an old cadillac with no emission controls and an unusually large engine, run my airconditioner with the windows in my house open and play the dennis leary song Im an ******** at full volume.

Tank, you say you hate people using fire places at home because of the smell, thats a fair comment, but what about the people you are camping near that cant stand the smell of your fire. There is always someone that will get cranky with what someone else does, we understand what you are saying but it is not worth having a spit over because quite frankly what you see in your urban areas is nothing. Check out how much diesel a 797B rear dumper burns an hour and look at how many bits of gear that size run in a mine 24 hours a day 7 days a week whilst wondering what emision controls they use. Have a look at how many cars sit in a traffic jam in any major city and think about the fact that while they are sitting there ideling the catalayic converters are not running hot enough to burn the poisons effectivley so all of the vehicles are pumping out an absolute cocktail of poison for you to breath in, most of which cause cancer.

At the end of the day I prefer the smell of burning wood to exhaust fumes, none of its good for you as a matter of fact just breathing the air causes cancer so such is life:cool: .

[97discotdi]

So Frank I guess you don't want to buy my 85cc chainsaw. One thing that is worth considering is when there is a new subdivision they windrow the wood and burn it, one has to wonder about the sense in that. Why doesnt the Gov make the developers use wood merchants and mulcher operators to dispose of the wood. :twisted:

[Studio54]

Anyone got any seal pup eyes I can use as hub caps. :) :)

[RobHay]

Andrew, seems the WA epa bloke was right when he said, after the WA govt. had just spent millions of taxpayers money trying to educate woodheater owners not to pollute, that "You can't educate Idiots", Regards Frank.



Ooooooooooh!:nazilock:

[RobHay]

I can't beleive what I am reading since this thread started.

Frank, you obvioulsy know what your talking about and I thank you for your spirited opposition to the whole thing.

However, fire is mans greatest achievment and will always remain that way. Have you ever put your marshmellows in front of the LPG, have you ever sat romanticly staring into the dancing orange flame of the reverse cycle air conditioner?

Frank and any one agree's with you, YOU ARE RIGHT! but once again, NO ONE CARES!

Jeeeessss If I've got orange dancing flames coming outta my reverse cycle airconditioner :( (Just had two put in) Its time to evacuate and fire up the old pot belly.:D ;) :p

[rovercare]

Yet Frank is still yet to put his defence up, for all the emmission unfriendly vehicles he has owned:mad:

Its all about choice, I burn wood, I work in a sawmill, and every vehicle I own is a V8:D .........That's my choice

Yet when I feel passionate about things like litter, I wont ATTACK someone, in such a manner, that is overbearing and intimidating......or repetative:angel:

Yea, ALL understand your point of view, yet you too, make choices that otheres aren't happy with.....You drive a 4x4.....uneconomical 4x4's, there is plenty of spastics who will try and bully YOU into believing their opinion and I'm sure you will think.......well that would be upto you;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[rovercare]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

How long have you been waiting to post that for:p

[mcrover]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Isnt that Hilines 130?

The AULRO signage looks good :D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Its been available since last October,,
my first use:(

I dont remember seeing one used before.

good.

I love the way this place runs along needing very little moderation of any form,,

[isuzurover]

Anyone got any seal pup eyes I can use as hub caps. :) :)

No - you got it wrong:

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado convertible, hot pink with whaleskin hub caps and all leather cow interior and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights, yeah!

I work in the air pollution field, and actually know personally the person who wrote the wood heater policy for WA. I have a gas heater at home (haven't turned it on yet this winter), but I wish the PO had left the fireplace as-is and not converted to gas. Nothing beats a nice wood fire...

[LandyAndy]

IsuzuRover.
Im with you!!!!
And why WOOD I have even considered a LPG heater when we get ripped off for bottled LPG in the country? $93 for 45kg or something stupid!!!!Andrew

[DeeJay]

First time I read this thread, I have 2x wood heaters and I love em. 6 tonne of redgum ready to burn too. ( It was pushed up by a developer ready to torch but I beat him to it)
I once put a log or 2 too many on a LROCV campfire at an outing many years ago and a member took a swipe at me for un necessarily burning wood.
I wonder who he went crook at when 1.3 million hectares went up in smoke in 2003.;)
http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/DSE/nrenfoe.nsf/LinkView/E20ACF3A4A127CB04A25679300155B04358FFCDA5CA1F43FCA 256DA6000942C9

[Studio54]

I once put a log or 2 too many on a LROCV campfire at an outing many years ago and a member took a swipe at me for un necessarily burning wood.
http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/DSE/nrenfoe.nsf/LinkView/E20ACF3A4A127CB04A25679300155B04358FFCDA5CA1F43FCA 256DA6000942C9

Ill bet I know who they was :)