How to break the boredom on a long train drive

[drivesafe]

Heres a video that shows you can always break the boredom of any trip

Dial-up warning 6.9mb

http://www.traxide.com.au/railpics/Kismet-BNSF.wmv

[barryj]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[dobbo]

Thats gold, I love it.



How many more movies like that have you got?

[defender90]

i like the santa fe driver bailing out just before they hit

[drivesafe]

Just for you dobbo.

That last one was shot about a week ago.

This one is short and I’ve posted it before but BE WARNED, it’s a bit of a stomach turner.

It was shot by a train spotter about 25 years ago. The beginning of this clip has been on TV a few times but this is the full clip.

AGAIN, BE WARNED, THIS SECOND VIDEO MAY OFFEND SOME PEOPLE.

AGAIN

http://www.traxide.com.au/DATA/TrainSpotting_1.mpg

[defender90]

i guess she won't be catching a train again

[dobbo]

Nah seen the second one before, not into that type of stuff.

[drivesafe]

Here’s the end results of the corn field meet, in the video.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/463.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/464.jpg

[rangieman]

Thats a bit of bad taste after what has happened down here in vic yesterday
I did notice the date it was posted , you have to show some concern for the family and friends concerned:cool:

Not to be a party pooper but you never know who is related or know the poor people that were in the accident

[Slunnie]

That last video is just not cool. I've seen a lot of stuff and am generally pretty indifferent to it all, though I still recall pulling that on the Overlander forum and it is about the only clip that I recall seeing and really wishing that I'd never seen it.

[Blknight.aus]

meets my definition of a near miss..

oh look, they nearly missed...




but not quite.

[moose]

As rangieman said, and not aimed at anyone in particular, please keep it nice in here, there's a good chance someone here knows someone involved in the crash in victoria yesterday.

[p38arover]

Thats a bit of bad taste after what has happened down here in vic yesterday
I did notice the date it was posted , you have to show some concern for the family and friends concerned:cool:

Not to be a party pooper but you never know who is related or know the poor people that were in the accident

As you noticed, it was posted before the accident in Victoria. If this was a thread about that accident, I might agree with you.

One had better not ever look at http://www.wreckedexotics.com/ just in case one knows somebody who knows somebody who was killed in a car accident - or at TV programmes like RPA in case someone knows someone who died in hospital.


Ron

[rangieman]

As you noticed, it was posted before the accident in Victoria. If this was a thread about that accident, I might agree with you.

One had better not ever look at http://www.wreckedexotics.com/ just in case one knows somebody who knows somebody who was killed in a car accident - or at TV programmes like RPA in case someone knows someone who died in hospital.


Ron
Some times even you have poor taste !
I was just thinking of how sad this was and seeing the poor people involved and showing some concern for what had happened
And id expect others to show the same concern and respect and not turn it in to a point the finger or make fun of other peoples sadness:cool:

[moose]

As you noticed, it was posted before the accident in Victoria. If this was a thread about that accident, I might agree with you.

One had better not ever look at http://www.wreckedexotics.com/ just in case one knows somebody who knows somebody who was killed in a car accident - or at TV programmes like RPA in case someone knows someone who died in hospital.


Ron

You'd be happy reading smartarse remarks if you'd lost somebody in that crash??

[Blknight.aus]

what the hell happened in victoria?

[moose]

At least 11 people killed in a train vs semi trailer crash near echuca.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21856950-661,00.html

Like I said, not aimed at anyone in particular, just a call for some good taste.

[rangieman]

At least 11 people killed in a train vs semi trailer crash near echuca.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21856950-661,00.html

Like I said, not aimed at anyone in particular, just a call for some good taste.
Near kerang on the mildura line to be correct:cool:

[Ben_R]

Hi,

Did anybody catch the channel 9 promo for the 6pm news at about 5.50pm down here in Melbourne?

They had footage of rescue workers helping to remove the bodies in the train and they clearly showed two workers lifting the body of a woman into a blue body bag. I found it quite confronting and I'm shocked that they broadcast it. Maybe it was a mistake in the rush to get the promo to air, but it was only a few years ago that it was even taboo for Newspapers to print photographs of dead bodies in their papers. Maybe the world's moved on and people in general aren't as shocked about tragedies etc..., but I didn't like to see it.

cheers Ben

[Outlaw]

heya Drivesafe... i think it's going a bit far censoring old topics because of recent events but may be worth just putting a line in the post of the 2 movies to say... graphic train accident videos or something.

and besides i've seen much worse... made the mistake of watching the video online a few years back of the american being decapitated in iraq... despite i've seen many similar things in movies... knowing it was real really turned the stomach for a few days

[drivesafe]

moose and rangieman, what the hell are you going on about.

The two locos are the locos that collided in the video and, as Ron has already pointed out, was posted way before the V-Rail accident and the second video has a clear warning on it.

Doddo made it clear he didn’t like it, so if you don’t like it, say so but I posted a warning both this time and when it was posted on the old AULRO sight.

If the V-rail accident had happened before I received the video, it would not have been posted.

The first video is something that is rarely caught on film and the second one has been shown on TV in a number shows and the timing of what has happened is unfortunate, but thats what it is, unrelated and unfortunate.

[dobbo]

You'd all be surprised how many incidents don't make the news everyday.

[rangieman]

moose and rangieman, what the hell are you going on about.

The two locos are the locos that collided in the video and, as Ron as already pointed out, was posted way before the V-Rail accident and the second video has a clear warning on it.

Doddo made it clear he didn’t like it, so if you don’t like it say so but I posted a warning both this time and when it was posted on the old AULRO sight.

If the V-rail accident had happened before I received the video, it would not have been posted.

The first video is something that is rarely caught on film and the second one has been shown on TV in a number shows and the timing of what has happened is unfortunate, but thats what it is, unrelated and unfortunate.

And the 2 photo,s of the smashed loco were posted after the accident here in in vic , so you posted it ?

But you might not have seen the news from down here , you have been informed now (im not making excuses for you or anyone else)

It was not a attack at you or any one else for that matter it was simply a concern for people that might have known someone involved
Keep up the good work mods:cool:

[p38arover]

make fun of other peoples sadness:cool:

I'm not making fun of the accident. I'm not that stupid nor heartless but things happen every day that affect someone out there. We can't censor everything because it may adversely affect someone who was involved in a similar situation.

Ron

[p38arover]

You'd be happy reading smartarse remarks if you'd lost somebody in that crash??

No - but it wasn't a smart-a comment. I was being realistic.

Ron

[rangieman]

I'm not making fun of the accident. I'm not that stupid nor heartless but things happen every day that affect someone out there. We can't censor everything because it may adversely affect someone who was involved in a similar situation.

Ron
Your opinon , it,s good we are all not the same and agree with each other it would be a boring world if we all agreed:p

[drivesafe]

I’ve taken Outlaws advice and added an additional warn.

Oh, and rangieman, I was aware of the accident before I posted the pics and again as they relate to the video and have nothing to do with the accident in Vic, I see no problem.

Regards.

[rangieman]

Fine:cool: ill go find that brick wall:p

[drivesafe]

Nah seen the second one before, not into that type of stuff.

Hi dobbo, I've got quite a few cab ride videos from around NSW, I can post a few shorts from places like crossing the Harbour Bridge or banking Ardglen and so on, if thats what you meant.

Cheers.

[drivesafe]

Fine:cool: ill go find that brick wall:p

You don’t have to go that far and you are just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else but, I do think you were stretching it a bit, compering the videos and the Vic accident

Cheers

[rangieman]

You don’t have to go that far and you are just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else but, I do think you were stretching it a bit, compering the videos and the Vic accident

Cheers
You said it opinions :nazilock:

[Disco300Tdi]

Near kerang on the mildura line to be correct:cool:

Incorrect Chris

The accident happened between Kerang and Swan Hill

Swan Hill is the end of the rail line now (Thank Mr Kennett)

http://www.vline.com.au/timetables/timetables/railtimetables.html

The rail passenger service to Mildura is reopening in a few months running down thru Ouyen, Donald and then via Ballarat

Presently passengers catch a bus via Ouyen, Donald, StArnaud, Dunolly then train it from Bendigo to Melbourne

Members of our local SES are on the scene as the accident is only approx 70k from home

[Slunnie]

What was the story with the first video, where the Loco seemed to be just rolling into the point? I assume it must have had some type of failure.

[dobbo]

What was the story with the first video, where the Loco seemed to be just rolling into the point? I assume it must have had some type of failure.


If you look carefully the one with the in cab footage had a turnout signal and was applying brakes at the time, the orange one, well who knows?

[Slunnie]

Oh yeah, I'd noticed that. It was the loco that you could see that was rolling into the point. The driver obviously knew that he was in trouble when he bailed.

[drivesafe]

The only info I have so far is that the conductor of the other train is the one bailing.

It looks like the other train just failed to break in time to stop short of the turnout and the loco that has the camera on, is actually releasing his breaks as he approaches the turnout and obviously it unaware the other train is still rolling and is going to fowl the turnout.

It’s strange that there is no sound of the crew at any time but then again, if this camera is part of some sort of safety monitoring device then the sound pickup may be somewhere other than in the cab, especially when you can hear the air release all the time.

The cabs of newer locos are protected against this sort of sound these days.

[rangieman]

Incorrect Chris

The accident happened between Kerang and Swan Hill

Swan Hill is the end of the rail line now (Thank Mr Kennett)

http://www.vline.com.au/timetables/timetables/railtimetables.html

The rail passenger service to Mildura is reopening in a few months running down thru Ouyen, Donald and then via Ballarat

Presently passengers catch a bus via Ouyen, Donald, StArnaud, Dunolly then train it from Bendigo to Melbourne

Members of our local SES are on the scene as the accident is only approx 70k from home

What ever i did post near Kerang , Anyway its falling on deaf ears in this thread :wallbash:

[drivesafe]

For those interested, here is the initial finding relating to the Kismet collision.

[Blknight.aus]

wouldnt want to be the engineer who failed the **** test...

in the world im in thats an automatic "its your fault, All NFW's are your problem"

[Slunnie]

Interesting. It sounds like a $5M simple human error. BUT, the study operates on the premis that any equipment failure is repeatable.

[Blknight.aus]

Thats part of the logic behind the ADF's no drug policy....

If your on drugs or they can prove you have been (and its a big burden of proof but since most drugs leave tell tales for up to 3 months its not impossable)

If your idendified as being contributing thats it your toast, your toast anyway as drugs are an auto discharge thing.

in my experience most failures are repeatable, and if they dont there is generally other evidence that will back up a potential one off failure cause.

Last accident investigation I was involved in (2-3 weeks ago) had me stripping the wiring harness of a truck looking for anything that might have caused an indicator on a trailer not to flash.... (someone else was on the trailer) he found corroded contacts in the plug and I found a burnt contact in a relay that was otherwise working fine.... we couldnt make the system not indicate when used normally and we flooded the plugs, spritzed the relay box froze them, toasted them the works.

driver got off scot free for someone running into him who claimed he didnt see the indicators flash after the MP's determined that due to the nature of the turn the only indicator light he would have been able to see was the one on the back of the trailer.

if hed had a trace of anything in his system tho.... :(

Bit off topic but its a little evidence that some investigators will go to extrodinary lengths to make sure that a one off failure isnt missed. took us 40 manhours to check the indicator circut alone hell knows how many other hours went into it.

[Slunnie]

Thats interesting. A lot of my family are ex-mil and have said the same thing re drugs, alcohol etc and accidents.

I guess the thing that I think is the Disco2 3 amigos is a really good example of a failure that is not necessarily repeatable and not necessarily detectable from an electrical test or disassembly.

[drivesafe]

The problem for the suspect crew in this case is that there was clear vision of the track in front of them so even if the signals had failed, they still should have seen the approaching train in time to stop.

Everything seems to indicate they fell asleep and at that time of day, it’s pretty well likely that this was the problem.

As for the drugs, not sure over there but here, it’s Zero tolerance for both drugs and alcohol. If you test positive to anything then you are fired on the spot.

It’s a bit rough when you consider that in the case of alcohol, even the police can be ( I think this is the correct level ) .02 and not have a problem but if your a train drive and you were at a party the night before, started work at lunch time and had to do a random drug and alcohol test that came back even .01, your still finished.

But then again, in NSW, the geniuses have been using radar to check train speeds and if the train is just 5 KPH over, the driver is taken off the road for a fortnight and made to do a refresher course.

Costs the driver a fortune in lost pay and does absolutely nothing to improve train safety.

These retards that come up with ideas like speed traps for trains have not got the slightest idea as to what constitutes safe rail operating practices. Their fresh out of uni but they are instant experts in this field, so much so that at one point last year, they had so many drivers of doing refresher courses after being detected speeding that they end up short of drivers, had to cancel trains and the geniuses were told to stop doing it ( for a while ).

[Slunnie]

But then there is the other perspective from the railways side of things.

What if...

and did they know that...

and what did they do...

and now these are the consequences....

[p38arover]

Bugger, you've taken the video down.

I wanted to double check something. I'm sure the train with the camera had a clear signal and it changed to red just as it approached the turnout. I assume the train being crossed ran forward just enough to trip the signal.

If we are crossing a train, for example, at Valley Heights (Tim will know this one), we can't change the points in front of the train being crossed until we've had a time release of 2 minutes elapse. The system won't set up the movement, it is locked out. This is to ensure the train has come to a stand.

If the train that is crossing in front of the stopped train is close by, I'll usually check with the driver of the stopped train that he has actually come to a stand (halt) - just in case he's been running really slowly.



Run

[drivesafe]

Hi Ron, both videos are still there.

Cheers.

[p38arover]

Ahh, I can access them again, Tim.

Yes, if you watch the video, the signals are red over green then just before it gets to the turnout, it changes to double red.

It does, however, appear to be travelling a bit fast for a train about to cross to the passing loop. The points are set for the loop.

Ron

[drivesafe]

Right on the money Ron, I hadn’t noticed that before but as you say, just before the train clears the stick, it goes back to red.

The track block is obviously tripped by the other train entering the block section.

As for the speed of the train entering the turnout goes, I think you will find this is a high speed turnout and that even if a train was not in the crossing loop, this train and all trains travelling in that direction, would use the right side track.

Although in NSW, passing trains usually have right of way via the main line and any waiting trains will normally be in the loop, here in QLD all trains approaching most branch line loops, enter via a turnout and the opposite end has the straight exit and it looks like similar operations in the States and Canada.

Cheers.

[p38arover]

Although in NSW, passing trains usually have right of way via the main line and any waiting trains will normally be in the loop, here in QLD all trains approaching most branch line loops, enter via a turnout and the opposite end has the straight exit and it looks like similar operations in the States and Canada.

I had another look and I think you are right. It does look like a high speed turnout.

Yes, nearly all the passing done in the areas I work are done with the waiting train in the loop. The exception is for Up trains at Valley Heights where, as you know, waiting trains stay on the Up main line and passing trains run around via the Down main line.

From that video, it looked like the railway signals at the level crossing were yellow over yelloe

Ron

[drivesafe]

Hi Ron, yep some of the crossing stations have some strange set ups.

I can remember working a terminator down to Helensburg. Came to a stand on the down platform. Changed ends and while I was waiting for the road to clear, an up coalie came passed on the up platform and while it was still passing, I got the road to head out of Helensburg, in the wrong running direction on the down.

Now I’m heading towards Sydney on the wrong line, the coalie is also heading to Sydney on the correct running line and because there’s a tight right hand curve leaving Helensburg, I can’t see the next signal till I’m almost on it. Very strange sensation.

The thing is, the coalie had been running on a caution from the Helensburg Up Home signal and was running at reduced speed hoping I would get going, cross over in front of him to the the Up and clear the section before he had to bring his train to a stand on the steep grade at the crossover Home stick.

I was just glad to get around the corner and see that the road was set for me.

BTW do they have bisexual signalling over the mountains. I haven’t take that much notice on the few times I’ve been that way.

Cheers.

[drivesafe]

How not to try to p1ss your boyfriend.

These were taken at Sandgate ( Newcastle ) earlier this month and she got away with a few bruises.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/236.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/237.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/238.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/239.jpg

[drivesafe]

Some more rail picks for those interested in the latest weather effects on NSW rail ops.

These pics were snapped at the beginning of the month.

Cheers.

PS no warnings needed

This is Ardglen, at the top of the Liverpool Range near Tamworth
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

This is the state of the line just south of Maitland
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/189.jpg

The may not be a duck but it doesn’t mind water. These two are on the Main North at Paterson, in the hunter Valley
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/190.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/191.jpg

[p38arover]

Here's another railway item: why you should wear a high-visibility vest.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tTw_KabZdEQ


Ron

[drivesafe]

Well worth the watch and as funny as it seems, I think it works.

Cheers.