Tanker runs aground in newcastle

[Tusker]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200706/s1945788.htm

Doesn't seem that long since the Sygna ran aground..

Regards
Max P

[lokka]

Yep some body made a real stuff up heres a few pics

[lokka]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200706/s1945788.htm

Doesn't seem that long since the Sygna ran aground..

Regards
Max P


Its been 33years since the sygna ran aground on stocko beach :D:D

[1994disco]

Looks like we better get a snatch strap collection started and one or two landies to free it.

[Grimace]

Just wack a small outboard on the back :D

[Quiggers]

Can't beat a good grounding! We need another Cherry Venture. I wonder why the discussion (I hear on the radio) is to 'rescue' the crew. Wouldn't they be safer inside the ship, (its obviously not going to sink) than being winched to a helicpoter in the midst of a huge storm?

This story will no doubt become very interesting, but I had a quick look at the TEN news 1100 am. After five minutes of Paris Hilton and then various other 'news?' this story and the flood around the Hunter, got less than a minute.

Hmmmmm.....priorities.....

GQ

[BigJon]

That looks like great weather over there!!

[cal415]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=173778

Still storm is huge around our way, my house just got hit with some pretty big hail... hopefully the disco hasnt taken to much of a beating...

[cal415]

Oops missed this post.... my internet isnt happy with the storm.

I posted this link in another thread
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=173778

[Quiggers]

That looks like great weather over there!!

Yeah, surf's up!
Stuff I'm hearing on the local radio:
'A buoy measured a wave at 17 metres.'
'3 other ships in trouble, one is only 1.3 ks off the coast, engines going flat out and is only just holding position.'
'Choppers crew safely winched all crew from the 40,000 tonne bulk carrier.'

Very brave guys.

...meanwhile, a few hundred ks north, its a bright sunny day, amazing.....

GQ

[Quiggers]

The headline on the article reads "Container ship runs aground at Newcastle", but not a container in sight, don't they know the difference between a container and coal? Accurate journalism there!

Hope you're not to drenched there Cal...

GQ

[lokka]

bit late mick tusker beat us to it

[cal415]

yep there is one just about to go up on stockton, near the sygna!! why is my disco out of action!! i would be up there with my camera! :(

[crash]

And a few hudred kays south it is nice and sunny in VIc. Little to no wind. And a lovely beach going 16deg.

[101RRS]

My brother who is there said two more ships are on their way to run aground - one in Stockton Bight and one a little further south.

Two of his pics attached

[Quiggers]

These things mustn't have a lot of real power... I heard it was leaving port and very quickly got hammered, towards the beach, then again, the windage would be huge....

When's the next one gonna hit Stockton?

Apparently its named the 'Sea Confidence'

how appropriate...:D:D:D

GQ

[PAT303]

I know were I'm going for a drive tomorrow. Pat

[Bushie]

Yeah, surf's up!
Stuff I'm hearing on the local radio:
'A buoy measured a wave at 17 metres.'
'3 other ships in trouble, one is only 1.3 ks off the coast, engines going flat out and is only just holding position.'
'Choppers crew safely winched all crew from the 40,000 tonne bulk carrier.'

Very brave guys.

...meanwhile, a few hundred ks north, its a bright sunny day, amazing.....

GQ

Reminds me of a night in 1987? when I sat on a cliff in the Royal National Park with the Sydney harbourmaster watching rockets go back and forth between the tug 'Manly Cove' and either an ore or coal carrier (can't remember) that had dragged its anchor from south of Stanwell Park in a storm. I bet the reason for this one is the same, they refused to take on ballast water because they were due in port the next morning, hence the screws were continually coming out of the water.

Manly Cove eventually got a line across, by hooking it with a boat hook (very spectacular given the sea conditions). Would have paid nicely from salvage I would imagine. We were there to bring the (mostly) Philipino crew out if they were airlifted off.



Martyn

[Quiggers]

Hey, Bushie, the news reports are saying the one that is aground was leaving port (if you can believe the news reports, given one report called it a container ship, not a coal ship), but the other 3 in trouble?

Well, they all couldn't have been leaving port at the same time, so.......

Why do they anchor so close to the coast when they know a huge storm is on the way - surely, you'd think they'd weigh anchor and head out to sea...

GQ

[cal415]

well i have just been over snaping some pics from the beach, the ship in the bight seems to be out of trouble for now...

[solmanic]

The headline on the article reads "Container ship runs aground at Newcastle", but not a container in sight, don't they know the difference between a container and coal? Accurate journalism there!

You're right there. The news says it was on it's way in to pick up coal. What - containers of coal???

[Quiggers]

Yup, containers of coal, complete with a nice little Federation fireplace.

Next we'll see Mike Munro or Ray Martin on the telly, rocking in his chair, in his den, lamenting the loss of coal for his new period piece fireplace...

Channel 9 journalism, can't beat them!

GQ

[cal415]

Some pics i took about 30 mins ago.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/418.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/419.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/420.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/421.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/422.jpg

[cal415]

btw those waves on the beach were around 10ft high, they dont look it in the pics, but they are MASSIVE

[cal415]

a few more

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/414.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/415.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/416.jpg


Now normally you get that kind of view while the ship is IN the harbour, not on Nobbys Beach!!!

[cal415]

a few more

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/411.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/412.jpg

Stockton bight on a nice day.....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/413.jpg
You can see the ship thats having troubles off to the right hand side of the pic.

[dobbo]

There are blokes surfing Lake Macquarie this morning, potential Bull shark bait?

[abaddonxi]

Send in the Mythbusters and a s***load of pingpong balls.

Cheers
Simon

[cal415]

Well its started bucketing down again, although the winds seem to have settled alot, hopefully the other ship got out of the bight.

[Tusker]

Just been doing some Googling

Pasha is 40,000 tons, the Sygna was 53,000 tons. And on its maiden voyage too.

Early pics of the Sygna have it going in bow first, just like this one. My recollection was stern first, there you go. Certainly remember the bow half in Nelson Bay, that was the first time I'd been moved on by the Water Police!

Various reports have the bow half been sold for scrap in Taiwan, I though it sank enroute somewhere off Lord Howe.

None of the reports I found mention the Sygna being black banned though. Another politically correct interpretation of history.

Regards
Max P

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I would've thought an anchor AND an engine
might have been enough,,

but these are probably insured for more than their
scrap value and probably nearer their replacement value,, even after 10 or so years at sea,,
the owners are probably cursing their luck,,

if they had of been full,,,,,,,,,,,$$$$$$


on a lighter note,,

INSTANT ARTIFICIAL REEF!!!!:p:p:p

[Bushie]

Hey, Bushie, the news reports are saying the one that is aground was leaving port (if you can believe the news reports, given one report called it a container ship, not a coal ship), but the other 3 in trouble?

Well, they all couldn't have been leaving port at the same time, so.......

Why do they anchor so close to the coast when they know a huge storm is on the way - surely, you'd think they'd weigh anchor and head out to sea...

GQ


What ever they were doing they certainly don't appear loaded, maybe where they were anchored wasn't sheltered enough and they were heading out to deeper water :confused::confused:.

The wind loading on that side on would be enormous.


Martyn

[cal415]

Well at the moment apparently there are 2 ships in stockton bight in danger, 1 on nobbys and another a little down south off swansea al in trouble

[Quiggers]

What ever they were doing they certainly don't appear loaded, maybe where they were anchored wasn't sheltered enough and they were heading out to deeper water :confused::confused:.

The wind loading on that side on would be enormous.


Martyn

Hey Bushie, I've been watching the news reports very closely. The reports vary somewhat:D:D:D, it was going out, coming in, laying off, waiting to take a load of coal next week, had dumped its water ballast etc etc etc, so what that really means is that no reporter has done any homework or research, just conjecture. And its also a container ship that carries coal, the big question here is will Channel 9 or 7 stump up a million to save it and get the 'exclusive' story? I mean, no-one has asked the ship how it's feeling, being stuck and abandoned:twisted::twisted::twisted:

I think you are right, Bushie, re your earlier observations, more right than any commentary media expert...

Naomi Robson will come back from retirement to get an interview with the propellor....appropriate for her, given she's a propellor head...

CALs pic are great, appears to be easing, weather wise, Stockton Beach will be chockas with 4wds this weekend.

Stockton LandRovers take note:

Expect lots of pics of bogged (not LandRover) 4wds rubbernecking:twisted::twisted::twisted: take your cameras, guys!!!

GQ

[disco_nex]

Damn, it is bad bad bad. The roads are barely passable to cars, and even seen 4WD's stuck. Cars are stuck in the floods, raining like hell. It is bad. And I got a close up of the ship, wish I had the cameras so you could of seen what it was like.

[Ralf_the_RR]

Yep. Realy crappy weather.
Lots of roads flooded.
My usual 50 min drive home took nearly 2 hrs.

And apparently it's worse tomorrow!!

[noddy]

The tugs will be limbering up as week speak:p Bit of pre-match stretching!

[Bushie]

The tugs will be limbering up as week speak:p Bit of pre-match stretching!

There'll be a bit of effort put into recovering this one, but I think it will take a bit more than a couple of tugs pulling. I would say it will be pretty well stuck.

Does anyone know what the tide was when it went aground ? Next weekend has some of the highest tides for quite a few months. I wonder if they can prepare in time.


Martyn

[p38arover]

Gents,

I was hoping to go to Newcastle tomorrow to visit Lee (son) in hospital.

With this weather he's had no visitors from his motorcycle mates and all that's left is me!

Do you reckon it would be OK or not (coming from Sydney).

If it's a goer, I might even be able to get to Dinty's at Cessnock to get the roof rack he's holding for me. :D

Ron

[lokka]

Low tide yesterday morning was about 745am so it would have went upon half tide with the tide on the make tho i dont think it will make much difference as the sea and the wind would have forced the shipfurther onto the sand by now and its preaty well high and dry at low tide this pic is about the best ive seen so far

[lokka]

Gents,

I was hoping to go to Newcastle tomorrow to visit Lee (son) in hospital.

With this weather he's had no visitors from his motorcycle mates and all that's left is me!

Do you reckon it would be OK or not (coming from Sydney).

If it's a goer, I might even be able to get to Dinty's at Cessnock to get the roof rack he's holding for me. :D

Ron

Ron its up to you mate as the f3 is still open and the roads are ok some are damaged but there passable the major prob uphere is power as some areas have none ...
If ya go into town for a look at the boat be prepaired for a slow trip as theres plenty of rubber necks still lookin at it :D:D:D:D

[p38arover]

Thanks Lokka. He's at the hospital in Waratah. He can see the ship from his window. Maybe I'll just take my binoculars. :0

Ron

[dobbo]

Well as everyone expected the news has reported it won't get moved. It may be a tourist attraction for Newcastle, but has effectivally destroyed one of the best surf beaches and it's surf festival that this city has. I'd expect a few PO'd surfers if it stays. I imagine the kite surfers will be banned from the beach as well.

On a positive note it's big, red and shiny. A bit like me actually.

[Dinty]

G'day All, They could make it into a motel for a short period of time before the tin worm gets in LOL cheers Dennis:wasntme:

[lokka]

Thanks Lokka. He's at the hospital in Waratah. He can see the ship from his window. Maybe I'll just take my binoculars. :0

Ron

Probably a good idea and a good way to avoid the rubber necks i only went in for a look to keep my young bloke happy as he wanted a up close look at it
so thats what he got when we drove round the headland at fort scratchly as its only about 300m from there to where its sitting and id say it will be there for at least a month maby more if they cant moove it id say it will have to be cut up where it sits and removed bit by bit :D:D:D

[Blknight.aus]

Well as everyone expected the news has reported it won't get moved. It may be a tourist attraction for Newcastle, but has effectivally destroyed one of the best surf beaches and it's surf festival that this city has. I'd expect a few PO'd surfers if it stays. I imagine the kite surfers will be banned from the beach as well.

On a positive note it's big, red and shiny. A bit like me actually.

It also drives like you, Its stuck.

[CraigE]

I really think on a beach like that the owners and insurers should be made to cut it up and remove it, like they do at the ship graveyard in India. Not something I would want on my doorstep. They could also build a dry dock around it and refloat it, expensive but possible.

[Blknight.aus]

Its bogged on sand I bet that with a decent set of fire pumps, a high tide and a calm day it could be gotten off easily... of course a couple of tugs also helps...

Got laughed at when I did it to get a beached lcm8 off up in townsville....

took an hour to use the pumps to erode the sand out from under the hull but once it gets wet enough it moves a little rocking of the boat and some pull from the rear and out she comes...

when that isnt quite enough scour out some return channels and run it hard astern, so long as the water has somewhere to loop out she'll come off eventually.

[dobbo]

We just went up and had a look, I very much doubt a ship of that size so close to shore is going anywhere, she's bogged, and yes Blknight's right it looks like something I'd do. Just on a larger scale, a bloody big scale.

[Slunnie]

Oh Dobbo, with a bit of planning, commitment and fully loaded freight train I reckon if anybody could do it.... you'd be the man! :twisted:

[Bushie]

Its bogged on sand I bet that with a decent set of fire pumps, a high tide and a calm day it could be gotten off easily... of course a couple of tugs also helps...

Got laughed at when I did it to get a beached lcm8 off up in townsville....

took an hour to use the pumps to erode the sand out from under the hull but once it gets wet enough it moves a little rocking of the boat and some pull from the rear and out she comes...

when that isnt quite enough scour out some return channels and run it hard astern, so long as the water has somewhere to loop out she'll come off eventually.


There's a rock reef behind it though, that was what they thought may have damaged the hull as it came over aided by an 8m swell.

There doesn't appear to be any water under the hull at all

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

May not be as simple as blasting a new channel with water.


Martyn

[Quiggers]

Great pic, Bushie!

While you're there, how did the other ships in distress end up? Assume the three of them got out to sea?

Getting the Pasha off its problem is going to be very interesting...

Maybe when the tide is out the salvagers could employ the ancient egyptian way of moving big heavy things...rolling logs....

Which makes me think I've got it: very high tide: another ship of the same size as the 'anchor' about a kilometre offshore, engine at full 'east'

a snatch block attached to said ship, about 2 ks of heavy rope or wire, from the Pasha thru the block and back to the beach. most of the population of newcastle on the beach pulling said rope, no probs! (or a couple of landrovers)

GQ

[Slunnie]

Do they have snatch straps for boat recoveries?

I feel sorry for the captain, highly embarrassing especially with such a new ship.

I wonder how bad the body creases are?

[4bee]

May not be as simple as blasting a new channel with water.I don't suppose the people of Newcastle would like their reef removed either.

I have a feeling it will be removed in one piece after months of planning, when one of the big Dutch Salvage companys like Smit Salvage get involved.

Remember the Tricolour car carrier? They cut it into pieces on the sea bed using a diamond studded steel cable & used it as a diamond saw & wound it alternately back & forth until they cut it into manageable sections.

Obviously this is quite different, but I think we will see the big guns brought out for this one & let's face it, technology has come a long long way with salvage as with most other things.

I await with baited breath but I suspect we will see some interesting engineering in the months ahead, despite what the naysayers are on about.

[Quiggers]

I only read and see about this in the papers etc, some who say the Pasha is buckled and going to break up, but the pics tend to doubt this...

...anyone here nearby to the Pasha like to give an eyewitness of the ship re its 'according to some media', imminent break up?;););)

GQ

[4bee]

The Ports Authority say not. Well, not yet anyway.:D

[lokka]

Dont belive what the meida tells ya the shipis safe for now there are salvage crews on board now assessing it and have heard reports its ok for now and will be safe as long as the sea dosent get any worse as for how its sitting its fairly safe as the whole lot is on the sand unlike the sygna back in 74 where it broke in half as the rear end was sitting in a big hole and the front half was on a sand bar which is what caused it to break in half .....

The pasha should be safe for now as long as the sea dosent wash away the sand fromround the back end and cause it to break up tho you never can tell what the sea will do .....

Either way its guna be an effort of massive proportion to remove it either by floating it off or removing it bit by bit :D:D:D:D

[Slunnie]

I wonder if when the seas calm down they will drop ballast and drive it out? I would have also thought (despite being ignorant to it all) that it'd take more levering than that to break an empty bulk carrier.

[Bushie]

I wonder if when the seas calm down they will drop ballast and drive it out? I would have also thought (despite being ignorant to it all) that it'd take more levering than that to break an empty bulk carrier.


Not having any ballast on board is most probably the reason its there.

Martyn

[Quiggers]

Having read thru all the media reports, it was empty, in the way in to port, had dumped its sea water ballast, Bushie alluded to this earlier... so it's nothing more than a huge 40,000tonne iron bathtub with a motor, and 700 tonnes of fuel oil.

Windage and lack of displacement caused its current mire, skipper may well be in some deep poo, was told not to dump ballast and head out to sea, but obviously thought better:eek:

just as an aside, a cruise ship (Leonid Sobinov, Russian, Odessa) I once worked on was ordered out (of Apia Western Samoa), skipper said 'when I'm ready' (ego) result was one bent wharf, one bent stern and several tugs going flat out to extricate us from a potential grounding, had 12º list on full swing, interesting night.... the gag on board was the spuds had moved load


GQ

[Slunnie]

Ahhh, I thought he just got unlucky with dragging, windage and a gutless boat against the elements. This guy is well and truly in then. :eek:

[Maggot4x4]

There's a rock reef behind it though, that was what they thought may have damaged the hull as it came over aided by an 8m swell.

There doesn't appear to be any water under the hull at all

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5519403,00.jpg

May not be as simple as blasting a new channel with water.


Martyn
I wonder what the gromets will do about him dropping in on their break?:eek::cool::angel:

[numpty]

On the news this morning, they say that there were 56 ships off Newcastle at the time and they were advised to either delay coming in (for those further out) or to head out to sea. A number of the captains decided to ignore this advice and a few were helped out to sea, but the Pasha Bulker ran out of time and power.:mad:

[dobbo]

I wonder if it would be feasible to build a lock around it and flood it. Works in canels.

[4bee]

Just had a brain wave! Wocha think?


AULRO-ians swim out, toss the salvage blokes off, take over, claim salvage rights & convert it into a Condominium Block for AULRO time shares.

Great position, sea views, swimming facilities. Transfers not included.:(








Eeerr, on second thoughts, maybe not. The maintenance painting would kill all the profits.:eek:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

If its there for any length of time,,
I think the local youths will take care of the painting,,,:D

[dobbo]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2007/06/186.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200706/r150720_536291.jpg)

Actual sign at Fern bay




http://www.abc.net.au/newcastle/stories/s1948409.htm


you can get T shirts "I got smashed at Nobby's" "you can Pasha Bulka, but you still can't nibble Nobby's nuts"

[p38arover]

Bob Hudson's "The Newcastle Song" must be adaptable somehow...

Se http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/t/thenewcastlesong.shtml

...Don't you ever let a chance go by


Ron