Disco 3 - V6 vs TDV6

[def90]

G'day guys -

I have been looking at upgrading the wife's car to a Disco 3 and noted the drive away price on the V6 is quite apealing with leather, 7 seats, etc for 63K. When I look at the TDV6 pricing on the landrover website I notice 66K for the S. I presume this means with cloth seats etc + onroads so will probably push 70K. Then the TDV6SE comes in at 74K + onroads so is probably closer to 80K. This becomes out of my price range.

So comparitively the V6 is a good price considering what you get.....but is the V6 set up worth it and a good set up with the trans and fuel economy etc?

Anyway, just looking for anyone who went through the same process or has an opinion. TDV6 is likely too expensive for me....

Thanks!

[drivesafe]

Hi def90, do a search as there is a fair bit on the differences in D3 engine types but my wife has an SE V6 and at the time of buying, there was an $8k difference between the TDV6 and the V6 and at that price difference, we still worked out that we would take at least 5 years before the additional fuel use and cost would use up the savings of the V6 over the TDV6.

We now have over 35,000kms and between the fact that we are getting much better fuel consumption than was expected ( average consumption is a little over 14L/100kms ) and that the price difference is even greater now, we reckon it will take close to ten years before we burn up the saving.

Cheers.

[Greylandy]

Drivesafe, how does the V6 manage heavy towing?

My only experience with a D3 is a TDV6. It tows a 3.5T trailer like a freight train and is lovely to drive. I don't think there will be much between the models but the air suspension and terrain response is a must IMHO. If that means the budget only allows the V6 .. so be it.

My only concern with the V6 will be the resell value. Considering the bad press and plain ignorance going around the D3 in general will not hold it's value .. and the V6 will be at the bottom of that.

[MarknDeb]

i have been told the V6 petrol has the same fuel economy as the V8

[jonesy63]

Def90 - it is a good time to buy - in the next few days. My local dealer has a sale on D3 S TDV6 - optioned up with auto, air suspension/terrain response, active locking rear diff - drive away for $72,990.

I had a v6 petrol loaner for 2 weeks and it is a thirsty beast.

Love my TDV6.

Cheers,
Rob

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Hey Jonesy!!
did they ever get the "Woronora" out?:D

[Ace]

Hold out longer and save for the TDV6. The V6 so i am led to believe is a variant of the ford explorer engine. If you have a look on carsales and carpoint for used D3's 90% of them are the petrol 6, this says alot to me, bugger all TDV6's. Is hunting around and trying to find a good TDV6 second hand an option?

[jonesy63]

Hi Pedro - do you mean the huge concrete boat the guy had down there? Yes - a couple of months ago... huge cranes and many $$$ later.
Cheers,
Rob

[jik22]

The TDV6 was my preference initially but the deal on the V6 on top of how much cheaper it's list price was than the diesel settled it for us. In the 3-4 years we'll have the car, we'll never get close to using enough fuel to justify the difference.

In my case, the D3 is my wife's car, so it won't be the touring vehicle, won't do any serious off-road stuff, and doesn't do a huge amount of k's or tow things often. If any of that was different, I may have gone for the TDV6 and suffered the price hike.

Overall though, it is a lovely car, and well spec'd for that price. I'm beginning to think the 10k off is going to be a permanent thing though. ;)

I'm hoping by the time we change it, there will be a TDV8 HSE Disco available, and then I'll need to sell a kidney as I'll just have to have it....

[cafaas]

I was in the same predicament about 6 months ago. Testing the special deals on D3 V6 - vs. price on same spec TDV6 was almost $15K-20K price difference !!! - Was looking at demo's and slightly used...
Obviously you'll never make up the difference in the cost of fuel - in less than 5-10 years.

But.. My neighbour did buy 2006 build V6 - fuel economy is just below the top end average LR spec - he's now done 24K km's and average is more than 17.5 ltrs/100km - thats a mix of motorways / city and country. Approx. 450km from 80ltr tank.

Don't know how "drivesafe" only uses 14ltrs/100 km (unless he lives in the country and uses highways alone ??). That would be real pottering - with one person in the car and no tissue box to add more load.

The LR spec (for city driving - tope end) says average V6 = 21 ltrs/100km and (V8 spec says 20.9 ltrs/100km) ??

I guess it depends where you live ?

[Frenchie]

In my case, the D3 is my wife's car, so it won't be the touring vehicle, won't do any serious off-road stuff, and doesn't do a huge amount of k's or tow things often.

Pleas don't take this as a snipe, I'm just curious why you went for a vehicle like the D3 for that sort of use?

And "Because I can" is a perfectly valid answer! ;)

[jik22]

The LR spec (for city driving - tope end) says average V6 = 21 ltrs/100km and (V8 spec says 20.9 ltrs/100km) ??

I guess it depends where you live ?

The trip computer for ours tends to show a 16l/100k average on most fills - better if the whole tank is highway work, and worse if I drive it rather than the wife! ;)

[jik22]

Pleas don't take this as a snipe, I'm just curious why you went for a vehicle like the D3 for that sort of use?

And "Because I can" is a perfectly valid answer! ;)

The wife wanted 7 seats, I hate people carriers, and the only other 7 seat SUV's were nowhere near as nice as the D3, IMO. Had she not insisted on 7 seats, I'd have a RRS. :(

[101RRS]

Don't forget to vector in the cost of air suspension if you go for a V6 S. A standard coil D3 has does not have good ground clearance.

Garry

[WhiteD3]

Def90,

I bought the V6SE in March for 64k drive away and am very happy with it. Even with the current TDV6 SE drive away deal of 75k (http://www.southsidelandrover.com.au/offers.htm) I still think the V6 is a better (economic) deal.

I average 15.6 (says the trip computer which is really 16.4 in real life) around town in peak hour Brisbane traffic. The trip comp will drop to 12.6 on the hwy. I'll admit I've had to change my driving style to ride the torque curve instead of flooring it, but that's probably a sensible thing anyway.

A mate of mine has the TDV6 and averages 13.5 for the same type of driving. At 3 or 4l/100km diff that's a long payback time for the diesel!

On the issue of the S vs the SE; I listened to the sage advice of AULRO members and went with the SE for the air suspension. Not only great off road but bloody handy for sneaking into CBD parking!

On the issue of resale; yes, the V6's plummet while the TDV6 holds price. But if you can claim some work kMs and depreciate the car then it makes even more sense. I'm doing CHP over 4 years which means the car will be worth 28k then which I think (and hope) is a realistic trade-in expectation on a new one in 2010, which will be by then a 90k vehicle?.

Cheers,

Mark.

[sniegy]

G'day guys -

I have been looking at upgrading the wife's car to a Disco 3 and noted the drive away price on the V6 is quite apealing with leather, 7 seats, etc for 63K. When I look at the TDV6 pricing on the landrover website I notice 66K for the S. I presume this means with cloth seats etc + onroads so will probably push 70K. Then the TDV6SE comes in at 74K + onroads so is probably closer to 80K. This becomes out of my price range.

So comparitively the V6 is a good price considering what you get.....but is the V6 set up worth it and a good set up with the trans and fuel economy etc?

Anyway, just looking for anyone who went through the same process or has an opinion. TDV6 is likely too expensive for me....

Thanks!
Ever thought of looking at the Freelander2?
I am not sure of the usage u intend for it, but diesel..std leather, terrain response (4 settings only), Extremely comfy & excellent turning circle.:D

[DiscoTDI]

I got my D3 SE V6 petrol in January this year, now has 12000km on the clock and is a fantastic vehicle to tow with. I get 11.5litres per hundred on the highway sitting at 100kmh, when I towed my boat from Brisbane to Moranbah (1100km) I got 17 litres per hundred. Combined varies but generally the 14 - 15 mark. I would not spend the money on a diesel.

BTW, you cannot get cloth seats in a D3 anymore;)

[drivesafe]

Drivesafe, how does the V6 manage heavy towing?


Hi Greylandy, I haven’t done any towing with the D3, that’s what the RR is for.

To be honest with you, I haven’t tried to work out how to assemble the tow ball set up yet.

Must do it one day.

Cheers

[Frenchie]

BTW, you cannot get cloth seats in a D3 anymore;)

What, only vinyl?? :eek:

[Andrew]

Its a reall mongrel the price difference of diesel vs Petrol, in reality the diesel should be cheaper as 90 + % of D3 sold are Diesel Therefore with quantity discounts. For instance the BMW 530 Diesel is 4000 (pound sterling in UK) cheaper than the petrol , go figure why we have to pay such a huge premium

[Frenchie]

Its a reall mongrel the price difference of diesel vs Petrol, in reality the diesel should be cheaper as 90 + % of D3 sold are Diesel Therefore with quantity discounts. For instance the BMW 530 Diesel is 4000 (pound sterling in UK) cheaper than the petrol , go figure why we have to pay such a huge premium

Probably because they are using an old Ford donk, they no doubt have thousands of them sitting around in a warehouse somewhere! ;)

And because they know people would prefer the diesels so they can screw more money out of the punters.

If I was buying the main issue would be off road range. On road, with the consumption figures that people have been posting here the petrol wouldn't have that much difference in range but I imagine off road it would be significant.

[PhilipA]

Geez fellas. The old Exploder may be **** as far as we are concerned but they are the biggest selling SUV in the world.

The Exploder V6 is made in the hundreds of ks if not millions.

The TDV6 is made for some Jaguars, Discos , and I think a big Renault/Peugeot. Probably total volume of maybe 20K to 50K at most.

The Exploder has a block amortised in about 1970.
The Exploder doesn't have a turbo
The Exploder doesn't have fancy injectors

Remember a while ago I reported that a Fiat engineer said that biggest problem with small diesel acceptance is that they are too expensive to produce. I got flamed but the reality is that Fiat are the producer of the most advanced diesels.
I am sure you will find that the TDV6 is a very expensive engine to produce and that is why they are more expensive.
I am sure that Land Rover in Australia would love to sell more than the 115 a month they are selling now and make a profit. Disco 11 AFAIK usually sold about 200-250 a month.
Regards Philip A

[DiscoTDI]

What, only vinyl?? :eek:

Pure mad cow:p:D

[ak]

Geez fellas. The old Exploder may be **** as far as we are concerned but they are the biggest selling SUV in the world.

The Exploder V6 is made in the hundreds of ks if not millions.

The TDV6 is made for some Jaguars, Discos , and I think a big Renault/Peugeot. Probably total volume of maybe 20K to 50K at most.

The Exploder has a block amortised in about 1970.
The Exploder doesn't have a turbo
The Exploder doesn't have fancy injectors

Remember a while ago I reported that a Fiat engineer said that biggest problem with small diesel acceptance is that they are too expensive to produce. I got flamed but the reality is that Fiat are the producer of the most advanced diesels.
I am sure you will find that the TDV6 is a very expensive engine to produce and that is why they are more expensive.
I am sure that Land Rover in Australia would love to sell more than the 115 a month they are selling now and make a profit. Disco 11 AFAIK usually sold about 200-250 a month.
Regards Philip A

Yep LR Australia pricing I bought this up in a thread about a year ago and got flamed too. But I still reckon LR Australia should have priced the D3 a little less to sell a few more. 115 a month compared to over one thousand or more Playdo's which is a model that will be updated soon.

[ak]

The TDV6 was my preference initially but the deal on the V6 on top of how much cheaper it's list price was than the diesel settled it for us. In the 3-4 years we'll have the car, we'll never get close to using enough fuel to justify the difference.

In my case, the D3 is my wife's car, so it won't be the touring vehicle, won't do any serious off-road stuff, and doesn't do a huge amount of k's or tow things often. If any of that was different, I may have gone for the TDV6 and suffered the price hike.

Overall though, it is a lovely car, and well spec'd for that price. I'm beginning to think the 10k off is going to be a permanent thing though. ;)

I'm hoping by the time we change it, there will be a TDV8 HSE Disco available, and then I'll need to sell a kidney as I'll just have to have it....

I think the option of a TDV8 in the 2008 D3 will be available. The engine will be the same TDV8 as the RRS.

[Jamo]

No TDV8 for D3 as far as I've been told.

At least not for some years yet.

[def90]

WOW - thanks for the great replies.

I had a look at the Southern motors special so it looks like 74K for the TDV6SE and 64K for the V6SE, so 10 grand.

I am going to check them both out next week...

[stevo68]

Hey mate, have you considered 2nd hand, demo models as you can pick them up with low K's and chances of having been off road is highly unlikely, unless they are like some of us on here. Reason I say that is that I swore I wouldnt buy new again, but did with my D3 at $105k. When I was looking at selling it at one stage due to starting up a new business, the offers I got were horrendous. In hindsight I would have bought either a demo or one with about 5-10k on the clock and saved myself a fortune.
Also fuel consumption for the V8 has been misquoted, mine averages around 14.4-14.6 L / 100 km's which is a combo of highway/ normal driving and offroad,

Regards

Stevo

[hopperoo]

Hi def90,

If you haven't already taken the plunge you might want to consider pressuring the Landrover dealer in Canberra to part with his '05 TDV6 SE Demo thats only done 3,500kms.

The man to speek to is Peter Stincic (02 62821900) and he is an approachable guy but I don't know how much margin he has to play with. He is the rotten so-and-so that loaned me this vehicle for an extended test drive over a weekend and it was a lovely vehicle. Now I have to have one but I can buy under Govt contract which needs to be '07 complied.

Hope this is of assistance.

Regards, Dennis H.

[hopperoo]

Hi def90,

I posted a reply to your querie but I don't know where it went. So here goes!

If you haven't already taken the plunge you might want to consider contacting the Landrover dealer in Canberra for a deal on his demo.

He has available an '05 TDV6 SE Demo that's only done 3,500kms.

The man to talk to is Peter Stincic (02 62821900) and he is an approachable guy. He loaned me this vehicle for an extended test drive over a weekend and it was a lovely vehicle to drive. Now I want one but I can buy under Govt contract at a reasonable discount but it has to be '07 complied.

Hope this might help.
Regards, Dennis H.

[def90]

G'day Guys....

I took the plunge and placed my order.... We bought a V6SE in stornoway grey/black leather...has the terrain response and optioned with sunroof, rear AC, roof bars, roof racks, tow pack, mats etc....

Anyway, the sunroof model in stornoway isnt avaiable till later in the year so we will pick ours up in Jan [2008 plate].

Thats OK by me as I am living O/S so I am OK with wait....

Anyway, I took the V6 for a drive and was very impressed...my wife's only condition was the sunroof which I admit was a nice option but pricey, adding about 5K.

Thanks for the advice earlier on...I will post some pics when i pick it up!

[Jamo]

Congratulations!:D:D

[def90]

G'day Guys - Just received my plates for our new D3... we are 18 weeks away from delivery and counting....

http://www.aulro.com/app/uploads/8591/Plates.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

cool plates:cool:

[PAT303]

I think LR made a big mistake when they made the D3.D1's sold by the thousands,same as D2's problem is the D3's are priced out of the mainstream market and they are to close to the RR in spec's.The freelander is to upmarket for it's class,there's nothing between $40-$60 grand that is the biggest market then the D3 which goe's up to the bottom of the RR segment.There is no volume vehicle to generate income and to get people into the showrooms.Land Rover has moved out of the country area's which is what made the company.I live an hour from a major city and cannot get parts anywhere but there.The brand will live on but will have smaller and smaller market share. Pat

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'd get used to that idea Pat,,
There are just so many allocated to OZ,, and "we" are still quite happy to wait 6 months to get one,,

they WILL sell every single one they get,,
why would OZ LR change?

I've got the one I want,,so its an arguement I dont have to worry about for 4-5 years,,

then the second hand D3's will be available in suitable quantities. :D

[BigJon]

I think LR made a big mistake when they made the D3.D1's sold by the thousands,same as D2's problem is the D3's are priced out of the mainstream market and they are to close to the RR in spec's.The freelander is to upmarket for it's class,there's nothing between $40-$60 grand that is the biggest market then the D3 which goe's up to the bottom of the RR segment.There is no volume vehicle to generate income and to get people into the showrooms.Land Rover has moved out of the country area's which is what made the company.I live an hour from a major city and cannot get parts anywhere but there.The brand will live on but will have smaller and smaller market share. Pat

That may well be the case, but LR is more profitable now than ever before...

[PAT303]

How many D3's would they sell if they had a base model at $45000.How many defenders would they sell if they pushed into the fleet market?I talked to a 4wd rental owner who runs Defenders in Qld and he runs them because the running cost's (fuel,parts,tyres etc) are alot lower than tojo's are.I think there going the wrong way. Pat

[loanrangie]

How many D3's would they sell if they had a base model at $45000.How many defenders would they sell if they pushed into the fleet market?I talked to a 4wd rental owner who runs Defenders in Qld and he runs them because the running cost's (fuel,parts,tyres etc) are alot lower than tojo's are.I think there going the wrong way. Pat

I tend to agree, you just have to look at J#%p to see the price structure, there are vehicles almost in every price bracket. I did see a while ago the D3 in V6 pet were only $49990 - what happened to that ? The FL2 will sell well with the yuppies but are useless to thos who want to USE their LR as they are meant to, i would luv a D3 but the price is just too high considering that i want to use it as well.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I think you may be surprised about the new Freelander.

[BigJon]

How many D3's would they sell if they had a base model at $45000.How many defenders would they sell if they pushed into the fleet market?

They don't have the dealer network to backup a big increase in sales anyway.

[Scouse]

They don't have the dealer network to backup a big increase in sales anyway.Not any more at least :mad:.
10 years ago, even 5 years ago, would have been another story.

[BigJon]

Maybe so, but the dealers that were still in the system wouldn't have been able to cope with the current technology, or so the story goes. Ever heard stories about Darwin?? :p:eek:

[Scouse]

Ever heard stories about Darwin?? :p:eek:They can't be as bad as the stories about Alice Springs !!
:D:D

[PAT303]

Alice springs is all right.7 years ago I had to get a new uni joint fitted under warranty and they fitted a whole new front drive shaft.As far as gizmo's are concerned the simple way is sometimes the best way.A spread of vehicles through the price and spec range is the way forward. Pat

[BigJon]

They can't be as bad as the stories about Alice Springs !!
:D:D


Ha! Funny Man :cool:

[BigJon]

.A spread of vehicles through the price and spec range is the way forward. Pat

That depends on what you are trying to achieve. It is the way forward if you are Toyota, but not always the case for other manufacturers. Bigger is not always better. Surely you are better off building what you know very well, rather than building lots of different average cars.

[scrambler]

That depends on what you are trying to achieve. It is the way forward if you are Toyota, but not always the case for other manufacturers. Bigger is not always better. Surely you are better off building what you know very well, rather than building lots of different average cars.
I agree. Look at someone like Subaru. Scratch beneath the skin and they only build 1 car. You can hardly drive around the block without one pulling out in front of you. They must be raking in millions.

[PAT303]

Toyota is a case in point.How many different spec cruiser's are there?From the telecom special to the Lexus 470.My point is why doesn't LR do that with the D3.Many people buy the cheapest model and then add gear to them over time to get the vehicle they want. Pat

[stevo68]

Toyota is a case in point.How many different spec cruiser's are there?From the telecom special to the Lexus 470.My point is why doesn't LR do that with the D3.Many people buy the cheapest model and then add gear to them over time to get the vehicle they want. Pat
But then again why doesnt Mercedes, Ferrari, Bentley etc. Different markets, different target audience, why would LR do that, would we want out marque to be in the same league as toyota etc?? No thanks,

Regards

Stevo

[WhiteD3]

I agree. Look at someone like Subaru. Scratch beneath the skin and they only build 1 car. You can hardly drive around the block without one pulling out in front of you. They must be raking in millions.

Actually they build 2, the Liberty/Forester/Outback and the Impreza. I'm biased (I've had 2 Liberty 2.5's and we have a Forester) but the fact is they go well, have great safety attributes, hold their value and have great resale due to 2 things, they own the AWD market (they created the niche) and they build a quality car.

Mind you, I think Ford has a large stake in them, just like LR!

[WhiteD3]

How many D3's would they sell if they had a base model at $45000.How many defenders would they sell if they pushed into the fleet market?I talked to a 4wd rental owner who runs Defenders in Qld and he runs them because the running cost's (fuel,parts,tyres etc) are alot lower than tojo's are.I think there going the wrong way. Pat


Ponder this. Would all these people on the forum be so passionate about their LRs if they were as common as Toyotas or Nissans?

The D3, RR and RR Sport are about market differentiation which LR have done well with these models, so due to the low volume they have to charge a lot more.

I could have bought a Pajaro, Patrol or L/Cruiser for a hell of a lot less than the D3 (had to sell the concept (read price) to the Mrs big time!), but I bought the D3 because its a great machine and it stands apart from the crowd.

[PAT303]

Don't get me wrong I like the niche appeal driving a defender bring's but I don't like the way LR has no power,being a small company when it comes to things like who owns it.What type of perception is spread when the brand is bought and sold at whim.I would like the company bought and run in a way that it can grow and keep ahead of the competition. Pat

[WhiteD3]

Absolutely agree, but if you're niche then this is what happens, otherwise you're Ford, GM or Toyota and we don't want that.

Maybe that's why BMW then Ford and now someone else will buy LR, to get that thing that they can't get with their brands.

[feraldisco]

one thing I'm curious about with this thread is the positive comments about the air suspension vs coils. The air suspension may be great while it's working, but it's definitely proved to be a source of poor reliability. The argument that the coil version lacks ground clearance can easily be resolved with a lift kit...

[Jamo]

. The air suspension may be great while it's working, but it's definitely proved to be a source of poor reliability.

Absolute rubbish!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Airbags rule.

buses, trucks, lowriders, D2's, D3's

it is literally the way of the future---

:thumbsup:

[gghaggis]

one thing I'm curious about with this thread is the positive comments about the air suspension vs coils. The air suspension may be great while it's working, but it's definitely proved to be a source of poor reliability. The argument that the coil version lacks ground clearance can easily be resolved with a lift kit...

I'm not aware of any endemic problem with the air suspension on the D3's? THe 2005 model had some issues with the compressor which was rectified via recall, but other than that? Maybe you're confusing it with the P38 Rangie.

Cheers,

Gordon

[BigJon]

Actually they build 2, the Liberty/Forester/Outback and the Impreza.

Initially the Forester was built on Impreza underpinnings. There is an all new Impreza due soon.

Also, don't forget the Tribeca. Built in the US, with a lot of Outback / Liberty heritage in the driveline, but an all new body and interior.

Hints of a 3.6 litre version of the H6 coming as well (currently 3 litre and a bit torque deficient).
Subaru are also developing a flat four turbo diesel in conjunction with Isuzu. That will make the Forester a brilliant touring vehicle when it arrives.

[PAT303]

Just an open question.Who would buy a standard D3 like the old S spec D1 if they were sub $50k? Pat

[feraldisco]

Absolute rubbish!


So 4WD Monthly were imagining it when the D3 air suspension went AWOL on a trip to the Cape? - pretty unacceptable for a brand new vehicle...

[WhiteD3]

Just an open question.Who would buy a standard D3 like the old S spec D1 if they were sub $50k? Pat


Not me. I'd pay the extra for the air suspension and terrain response.

What we really need is the SE without leather, dual climate, carpet, etc. Surely that'd drop 5k of it.

[100I]

From an offroad point of view, from what I have read & heard it is just another independent supsended 4WD without it's airbags & electronics, ie hopeless.

[BigJon]

What we really need is the SE without leather, dual climate, carpet, etc. Surely that'd drop 5k of it.

Oh, you mean an S with Terrain Response optioned in... :D (still has leather trim and carpet though).

[BigJon]

From an offroad point of view, from what I have read & heard it is just another independent supsended 4WD without it's airbags & electronics, ie hopeless.

They are still very capable off road, just lacking a little in clearance. Aftermarket springs are readily available for a lift. The standard traction control still does an excellent job, even without Terrain Response.

[100I]

Are they as good as a D1/RRC?

[PAT303]

Some of the earlier threads showed that some people tossed up between the D3 and RR sport.Why have two vehicles close in spec but nothing under neath?.A stock D3 that can be optioned at a later date with the goodies as time and money permits would be a good thing. Pat

[BigJon]

Are they as good as a D1/RRC?

I have never done a back to back comparison. They will be different, that is for sure.

[BigJon]

.Why have two vehicles close in spec but nothing under neath?.. Pat

I am not sure what you are talking about here. Can you clarify?

[PAT303]

What I mean is we have the D3 and RR,both high spec vehicles and then the FL2 and defender.Alot of people would like a simple vehicle but don't want the farm like defender they want a D3 but without all the add on's.Look at the stat's,how many people use 4wd's? not many.Alot are sold to carry a family as many people don't want people carriers.People in that market don't want or need all the offroad gear and don't want to pay for something they won't use.LR are missing a big market. Pat

[PAT303]

This is a long thread.7 pages and counting. Pat

[BigJon]

What I mean is we have the D3 and RR,both high spec vehicles and then the FL2 and defender.Alot of people would like a simple vehicle but don't want the farm like defender they want a D3 but without all the add on's.Look at the stat's,how many people use 4wd's? not many.Alot are sold to carry a family as many people don't want people carriers.People in that market don't want or need all the offroad gear and don't want to pay for something they won't use.LR are missing a big market. Pat

You may think that LR are missing a big market, but they are selling everything they can get their hands on in Australia.
LR Australia don't get a lot of choice in what they are allocated from England. It can pretty much be a case of : Take these, sell them and don't complain.
This is why we don't get Defenders in three trim levels, Base spec van Disco 3s, base spec van Freelanders, etc.
Realistically, the Australian market is a mere drop in the bucket compared to worldwide LR sales. We are lucky to get them at all.

[stevo68]

With the new range of LR's it comes down to budget and taste, simple. Most LR's off the floor are at a premium price because they have always been considered a prestige vehicle. Most of the vehicles that are owned now, were once in a specific price range, so the point in relation to D3's/RRS could almost be an argument 10+ yrs ago. LR also have different spec'd models for different price ranges. Any new 4by onto the market one is looking at at least $50k+, so Im a little loss as to some of the points being made. Most people buying a $50k+ 4WD is unlikely to take it off road and use it for what it is meant. It is more likely going to be somebody who picks up a depreciated 2+ yr old vehicle that is. Mercedes for example has vehicles covering all the ranges, suited to a particular market, why would they go and compete against Ford or Holden and tarnish their reputation. Its pretty simple, you choose to purchase the vehicle of choice, if it is out of reach you wait :D

Regards

Stevo

[PAT303]

I guess there happy were they are in the market place. Pat

[inside]

Mercedes for example has vehicles covering all the ranges, suited to a particular market, why would they go and compete against Ford or Holden and tarnish their reputation.
Porsche learned from this. They used to have cheaper 4 cylinders but soon discovered it was cheapening the brand.

[landrovermick]

Hold out longer and save for the TDV6. The V6 so i am led to believe is a variant of the ford explorer engine. If you have a look on carsales and carpoint for used D3's 90% of them are the petrol 6, this says alot to me, bugger all TDV6's. Is hunting around and trying to find a good TDV6 second hand an option?

mpre likely that theirlease is run out - thats why they are on the market - my work wouldnt lease the diesel - too dear tostart with - so they went the petrol. she is a gem - like already mentioned was heavy on the fuel now has levelled out at about 15l/100km and she gets caned ! one way to drive her - foot to the floor.

[landrovermick]

I was in the same predicament about 6 months ago. Testing the special deals on D3 V6 - vs. price on same spec TDV6 was almost $15K-20K price difference !!! - Was looking at demo's and slightly used...
Obviously you'll never make up the difference in the cost of fuel - in less than 5-10 years.

But.. My neighbour did buy 2006 build V6 - fuel economy is just below the top end average LR spec - he's now done 24K km's and average is more than 17.5 ltrs/100km - thats a mix of motorways / city and country. Approx. 450km from 80ltr tank.

Don't know how "drivesafe" only uses 14ltrs/100 km (unless he lives in the country and uses highways alone ??). That would be real pottering - with one person in the car and no tissue box to add more load.

The LR spec (for city driving - tope end) says average V6 = 21 ltrs/100km and (V8 spec says 20.9 ltrs/100km) ??

I guess it depends where you live ?


hmm strange one this- we give your work one the caning ofall canings - fully loaded all the time- i mean the back cargo section is stacked to the roof with kit - its a solid wall when you open the back door.

15l/100km most of the time and 17/100km when we really bash it hard.

[stevo68]

I really dont know where some of the fuel readings come from, I have the V8, currently sitting on about 13.5km/100, might get up to mid 14's if driven hard off road. Generally get 520-560kms a tank..........not bad for a V8 :cool:

regards

Stevo

[WhiteD3]

I've averaging 15.6 on the trip meter around town during the week and can get down to 11.6 on the Hwy.

Now considering my average speed (according to the trip computer) is 20km, I think 15.6 is great. A mate of mine has the TDV6 SE and he averages 12.6 around town doing similar weekdays to me. I'll admit I've changed my driving style from the Subaru I had. In the D3 I drive the torque curve, in that in the city it never revs harder than about 2800 rpm.

So if I use an extra 3 ltrs /100 km for my 500k work week, it's costing me 3 x 5 x $1.20 = $18/wk or maybe a $1000 pa. That's a long payback period on the diesel!

The diff in price when I purchased was 18k.