Wa Lifted Landrovers Beware

[DirtyDawg]

Best mate a Traffic Cop showed me an In service email which dictates for the next 60days all lifted 4wd are to be targeted in WA anything above 50mm factory standard will be yellow sticker ed..Due to the growing amount of fatal rollovers.
He suggests that if you are caught for speeding you will be sticker ed regardless... he said that the boyz will be on the look out for 4inches and above...
You have been warned so beware next 60days..I'm endangered as mine is now a 4" lift...:eek:

[JohnE]

Dirty,
very interesting, it is about time something was done, you should have tacked this onto the legal lifts thread.
50mm factory standard you say, that seems to indicate anything else not approved is fair game.
Lifting seems to tell the manufacturers they build their vehicles wrong and the millions spent on road trials were a waste of time.
If it saves one life or prevents one injury the enforcement is worth it.



john

[CraigE]

MMM, aware of the law and some discussion on it lately on this site. However the comment about roll overs and fatalities is reasonably flawed. I keep a reasonable eye on traffic fatalities and can not say I remember any that have excessive lift kits. Most are stock standard Toyota series vehicles with no lifts.
I understand the law and the need to police it, but would like to see the statistics that back the roll over fatality angle, cause they do not exist.
Secondly I sincerely doubt (and not attacking integrity) that there are many WA police on the road that would even know what they are talking about mechanically. I doubt we could find one that would know the standard ride height of all 4x4s to make the correct decision.
My dealings in the past have been if they do not like the look of it will canary it. I have had to pay to have a few canaries removed (years ago) on vehicles that there was absolutely nothing wrong with and RTA inspectors agreed but I still had to pay the fee.
Dawg you could be in trouble, I be thinking you better send your Fender down to me for a while to hide it, do not get to many coppers on the beach down here.:angel:

[Graz]

I passed a hilux the other day that was lifted very high and had tyres that would be more at home on a tractor that looked as though it could drive over a small car without touching it.
I suspect that these would be the ones that are targeted.
I doubt that mine or even Dawg's for that matter would even be noticed.

[ATH]

Certainly hope they target those Hilux's, lifted or not as they seem from my observations to be driven by more than the average loony!
Saw an F250 the other day looked absolutely ridiculous the height it had been lifted to.
It made the wheels look so small they could have come off a Dinky toy.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/09/470.jpg

Traffic cops are not normally interest in anything but speeding so I wouldn't worry too much as they won't notice.
"Speed kills but stupidity doesn't" seems to be their attitude.
Alan.

[Michael2]

I can't believe how far you've gone with this Defender in the last 12 months Dawg, so given your propensity to spend $$$ on & modify your Defender, I think that the next thing on order would be air suspension.

2" below standard ride to let girls with skirts in, 4" above to see over the traffic, and standard height for highway cruising and Police inspections. ;):p:p:p:p:p

[cal415]

Dirty,
very interesting, it is about time something was done, you should have tacked this onto the legal lifts thread.
50mm factory standard you say, that seems to indicate anything else not approved is fair game.
Lifting seems to tell the manufacturers they build their vehicles wrong and the millions spent on road trials were a waste of time.
If it saves one life or prevents one injury the enforcement is worth it.



john
I dont agree with this statement at all, just because the vehicle is built at a particular height etc doesnt mean it will meet the needs of the owner, and just because they put alot of time into design and research doesnt mean it cant be improved on, i know of many modified/lifted trucks that handle way better and ride alot smoother then they did stock, mainly because when a car is built by the factory it is built to a budget to keep costs down.

Take my d2 for example, over all a very capable car, but after several trips out when it was stock its limits were really being stretched, i ripped off the front bumper, damaged the rear bumper, and got stuck more times then i could count. Some slight mods, 65mm lift, bull bar, slightly larger wheels and i was in business.

I knew i would have been better off in a defender when i purchased the d2 but my GF wasnt keen on the defender at the time, due to comfort etc. The mods i have done to my truck havnt really hindered its on road performance at all, besides the fact going from 29in tyres on 18in rims to 32in tyres on 16in rims and that made bugger all difference to drivability anyway. If i went back to stock wheels the car would handle much better then stock just because of the new and much improved suspension setup.

I think 4wders are being targeted due to soccer mums in there mall crawler toyotas with 6in lift just for the hell of it who dont know how to drive, also the fools in patrols running 12in+ of lift just to be bigger then there mates. If you lift your truck and do it properly keeping within its limits then i cant see why it would be a problem, they are just ruining the future of 4wding for the rest of us.

[CraigE]

No, no, no. You keep the 4" lift for girls with skirts on and go around to assist them in.:o;)

I can't believe how far you've gone with this Defender in the last 12 months Dawg, so given your propensity to spend $$$ on & modify your Defender, I think that the next thing on order would be air suspension.

2" below standard ride to let girls with skirts in, 4" above to see over the traffic, and standard height for highway cruising and Police inspections. ;):p:p:p:p:p

[hiline]

No, no, no. You keep the 4" lift for girls with skirts on and go around to assist them in.:o;)


my thoughts to :D:D

[mudmouse]

The defect notice is issued because the inspecting officer believes the vehicle MAY not comply with the applicable standard (or design rule, ADR's). I don't know about other States but in NSW, you're right, there is no further training to detect defects nor any legislation to stop a vehicle soley for the purpose of inspecting it for defects. So if it looks modified, then you might reasonably expect to be stopped. No engineers report covering those mods, or the vehicle is just a piece of crap, or somethings worn, broken or defective = a defect notice should be issued. The defect isn't a professional opinion on the vehicle, it's a notice directing the registered owner to have the vehicle inspected to ensure it complies with a standard. It's about safety and having vehicles on the road that comply, are registered and insured (hopefully). Who gives a toss about the rubbish statistics that pollies dribble on about. Think of what it would be like being lobbed a bill for property or personal injury because your rig got knocked back on an insurance claim - or some dill's piece of junk ran off the road and squashed something you loved. At the end of the day there should be one national standard with proper engineering analysis to support every complaint and road user.

[Ace]

I think 4wders are being targeted due to soccer mums in there mall crawler toyotas with 6in lift just for the hell of it who dont know how to drive, also the fools in patrols running 12in+ of lift just to be bigger then there mates. If you lift your truck and do it properly keeping within its limits then i cant see why it would be a problem, they are just ruining the future of 4wding for the rest of us.

thats spot on, i think it was Xsi who was saying when he was having his muddies fitted to the fender a bloke pulled in to the tyre place with a hugely lifted hilux with 35in tyres fitted. Dave asked him where he went out 4wding and he said he didnt he just liked to do that to his truck to make it look tough, now that is pointless, sure its no more pointless than a rice burner on 19in rims with about 2in of air between it and the road but to modify a truck to do nothing off road seems pointless to me.

However there are some 4wd's that are to high, i think that 4in is more than enough. There is a land cruiser here in lithgow with a massive lift, i pulled up behind it at the lights and his rear step was higher than my bonnet, when he turned the corner at the lights he had to go so slow to stop it leaning to far and tipping over. These are the vehicles that should be targetted. Matt

[LandyAndy]

Hey Dawg
I have a stalled project in the shed,SER3 with 2" susp plus 4" body,transport said all was good did it and went to engineer it,new rules.
+50mm TOTAL in WA is the rule.
I have that plus the tyres on the Disco!!!!!
But atleast it still handles flat out around bends compared to a nancy arsed Defender lift:D:D:D:D:D
See you and raise you Buddy:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
See you at the end of the month in Harvey!!!!
Andrew

[JohnE]

The defect notice is issued because the inspecting officer believes the vehicle MAY not comply with the applicable standard (or design rule, ADR's). I don't know about other States but in NSW, you're right, there is no further training to detect defects nor any legislation to stop a vehicle soley for the purpose of inspecting it for defects. So if it looks modified, then you might reasonably expect to be stopped. No engineers report covering those mods, or the vehicle is just a piece of crap, or somethings worn, broken or defective = a defect notice should be issued. The defect isn't a professional opinion on the vehicle, it's a notice directing the registered owner to have the vehicle inspected to ensure it complies with a standard. It's about safety and having vehicles on the road that comply, are registered and insured (hopefully). Who gives a toss about the rubbish statistics that pollies dribble on about. Think of what it would be like being lobbed a bill for property or personal injury because your rig got knocked back on an insurance claim - or some dill's piece of junk ran off the road and squashed something you loved. At the end of the day there should be one national standard with proper engineering analysis to support every complaint and road user.


Couldn't have said it better myself. great minds think alike.
While the urban mythers always blame the local GD's or HWP police for red or yellow defects, your right they are only an opinion to get them to an expert to check.
The old standby used to be 'not have drip tray under carburetor'
Act 5/1909,Regs Schedule F,part VI,67. ( not that I ever used it)

Surely safety should be the prime and paramount aspect, not the excuse that my base model now handles better because "I " changed it.
Go to a few fatals and see the results that may change your minds.



John

[isuzurover]

This is the ideal we should aim for when we do mods:
NO Suspension lift
NO Body lift
but it fits 50" tyres!!! :o:D:eek:
http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/gallery/full4/forrestrover.jpg

[CraigE]

I have no problem defecting seriously dangerous vehicles, but more often not they are just being heros, defecting because they can. It is absolute garbage that someone with no real mechanical knowledge can defect a vehicle on their opinion and then the owner has to pay a fee regardless of wether it is a real defect or not eg yellow sticker for a Holley carb, was a standard 2 barrel rochester and even a Holley carb is an acceptable replacement. Headlight wipers not working on VB Commodore?? Cracked windscreen not 2 minutes after a truck flicked a rock and damaged it.
Need I go one.:mad:
There should be some sort of expertise not opinion and guesswork.
I even had a ***** of a inspection (smash repairer as agent who was mechanically inept) failed my Rangie on inspection cause the number plate globe blew on way in and I did not notice during the day. Not check it over go and get a globe and come back but a fail, pay me again for another inspection. Took it to a decent mechanic 50kms away and he reckons it was one of the best nick early model rangies he had seen and all the mechanical / brake work on it was perfect (yes I did it all).


Couldn't have said it better myself. great minds think alike.
While the urban mythers always blame the local GD's or HWP police for red or yellow defects, your right they are only an opinion to get them to an expert to check.
The old standby used to be 'not have drip tray under carburetor'
Act 5/1909,Regs Schedule F,part VI,67. ( not that I ever used it)

Surely safety should be the prime and paramount aspect, not the excuse that my base model now handles better because "I " changed it.
Go to a few fatals and see the results that may change your minds.



John

[isuzurover]

In QLD - most defect notices are given by the transport department - who run roadside checks (and know the rules!). IME, the police rarely give defect notices, and only for things that are obviously/blatantly unroadworthy (unless you have done something to annoy them).

Sounds like another form of revenue raising to me...

[CraigE]

Yep and thats how it should be. Have not had a canary in a while but it was a rife revenue raiser here for a while. It is the "In my opinion" bit that gets me.